John your a true oldschool fella. Not to many folks know about the sharpening of blades on the bottom of a coffee cup! I love these tests. My favorite part of all these tests are the pointing out of all the little details. Just showing the head and talking about it. Gives us a good look at the product. Thanks for all of these tests. They truly are very helpful. I hope you never quit making these videos.
I just said to myself last night how I’d like to see a test of This broadhead can’t wait to watch this whole video. You put out great content regardless of what people say if compares to animals or not. Love it!
It Did about exactly what I thought it would do from 1st seeing them. I think they did pretty good in my opinion. Great test as always though! Thanks mr lusk
thats awessome S7 is extremely tough! dispite thetop tier hardness... i want a set of these... but dont need a set lol.. i have a bunch of decent broadheads, magnus stinger, TOA, and slick trick currently, oh and some magnus turkey decapitators.. haha i love that built in bevel guide also, im a decent blade sharpener but anything to make it more consistent is a good thing. .. thatnks for your always awesome reviews Mr Lusk.
I love these VPAs!!! I use one out of the 6 heads I picked up to practice with. I shoot it about 15 times a day into a self healing foam 3D deer target. Been shooting this head daily for about 5 months. I was curious how much effort it would take to bring it back to hair popping sharpness. Only took a few min on a strop with green compound!!! There was zero edge damage after all that practicing with it. I may or may not have sent it through my would fencing a few times also 😅
I killed buck on public with crossbow and VPA 250 grain double bevel a few years back. Arrow weight was 630 grains. Went thru the deer like it wasn't there and buried 6 inches in the ground. There is definitely a point of diminishing return for penetration on bone and broadhead width. Wide broadheads thru the ribs create a huge wound channel and better chance of better blood trail, but less likely to penetrate on a heavy bone strike. Its a narrow fence to straddle. In this part of the country, arrows can penetrate well and be lethal all day long, but no blood trail can also mean... no recovery. Decisions, decisions...
I was just testing them, but they had a problem with the batch I'm testing. So I'm waiting for the new batch, coming in a few weeks. But TOTA is not one you can lay flat like this; it's just a 2 blade single bevel--pretty beefy though.
The word you are looking for is "micro bevel", and they work great when you have higher impact or pressure applied along the cutting edge. Knife guys do this all the time.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I made the comment right before you said micro bevel in the video, but when I came back looking to edit I couldn't find the comment. Free engagement for my error. However I do think micro bevels have a place for broadheads. It's not all that much different than running the blade over a softer strop, like leather or hanging denim. The more control over the edge geometry, the better IMO.
In regards to the angled shot, has any broad-head ever had a problem with it? I can't recall ever seeing one fail that test myself but I haven't seen all your videos. My point being, if every broad head you have tested has not had a problem with the angled shot maybe there is no need for that specific test at all? Still amazed that you can come up with different broad heads to test on a regular basis. Keep it up.
Thank you for that question. Only one, after nearly 2 years of doing that test. I really don’t like that test. I only added it cause so many asked for it. As I look to 2024, I have 2 options: Increase the angle, making the test more difficult…or Eliminating the test. Personally, I see no value in increasing the angle, as I would never take or encourage such an angled shot on an animal. Additionally, sometimes those extreme angled shots are affected by the rotation of the head, and when the blades first impact the wood-not by the broadhead itself. What are your thoughts?
Neat design but i don’t like the chatter and that has to be expected with a 26deg angle. You see that on acute angle broadheads like the cuthroat. I think the regular VPA single bevel with a 35 deg bevel angle is better with more rotation and to me easier sharpening to a true single bevel head . Great tests here thank u!
You can try marking the vanes and shooting from two or three yards and then step back a couple yards and shoot again, step back a yard or two and shoot again. Unless you have some crazy helical on your vanes, the rotation will be pretty mild, maybe several degrees or a dozen degrees each couple yards, so you would be able to figure out which way the arrow is rotating from looking at how the marked vane turn with each shot.
There's no doubt this head can take a beating. Couple detractors for me ? S7 and 56 Rockwell I thought would A. be sharper, B. withstand a few shots without dulling. For some reason, I questioned myself if S7 and 58 was real or not ? I've seen S7 so hard they were ridiculously tough to even sharpen they were so stout. Also ? 1-1/16 ? Make this head 1 - 3/16 and I think it might rotate more. Doesn't appear to be enough offset weight balance to spin it ? Olus we know the wound would be better. Flight may suffer possibly ? But being 1 piece, flight should be money. I'm certain this will be a $100 type for 3 heads,,,,and I think there's better options out there like Iron Will for example.
There are different hardening processes used for S7; so all S7 is not equal. But they're all high quality tool steel and will maintain edge integrity better than most.
that front part is already pard of the blade angle from the factory... the factory never laid anything flat on the part you cant lay anything flat on... lol so it came from the factory with those angles.. youre not gonna actyally change any angles when you sharpen and remove the burr... yes you do change the edge angle on the back so you will lose a bit of potential sharpness.. i think the idea of a single bevel is to create a tristing motion when it impacts something so as to have more bone penetrating potential as it drills and punches thru instead of just punching... i dont know for sure
A solid NO for me on the VPA Omega head. It is a solid head, but not for me. I am excited for the new 350 grain Ashby head from Grizzlystik in Bohler K340 tool steel. I hope they trickle the K340 to their 200 grain Maasai.
Meh kinda reminds me of the jeep truck. The wheel base is wider so it’s not a great jeep and the beds so small it’s not a great truck. Still picked up edge chatter like a single bevel but didn’t rotate much at all. Don’t really see any benefit.
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John your a true oldschool fella. Not to many folks know about the sharpening of blades on the bottom of a coffee cup! I love these tests. My favorite part of all these tests are the pointing out of all the little details. Just showing the head and talking about it. Gives us a good look at the product. Thanks for all of these tests. They truly are very helpful. I hope you never quit making these videos.
Thanks Jason. Much appreciated brother
As a member of the VPA team I appreciate your review Mr. Lusk 👍🏻. American made in Fort Wayne Indiana 🇺🇸
Thank you. Love the American made aspect!
I just said to myself last night how I’d like to see a test of This broadhead can’t wait to watch this whole video. You put out great content regardless of what people say if compares to animals or not. Love it!
Thank you
It Did about exactly what I thought it would do from 1st seeing them. I think they did pretty good in my opinion. Great test as always though! Thanks mr lusk
Thank you
Perfect timing. I'm looking at buying these now. Maybe...We'll wait to the end of the video to decide...
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Good testing, John
Thank you
Thanks as always, good Sir.
Thank you!
awesome head great test thank you
Thank you
I was originally interested in that head but seems like it's a jack-of-all-trades and master of none
Thanks for the comment.
Well now I know why at the last hotel I stayed at they said, "Please don't sharpen your broadheads on our mirrors." 😂😂
Haha. It worked very well...on the bottom edge of it.
Great video! Looks like a great broadhead
Thank you
thats awessome S7 is extremely tough! dispite thetop tier hardness... i want a set of these... but dont need a set lol.. i have a bunch of decent broadheads, magnus stinger, TOA, and slick trick currently, oh and some magnus turkey decapitators.. haha
i love that built in bevel guide also, im a decent blade sharpener but anything to make it more consistent is a good thing. .. thatnks for your always awesome reviews Mr Lusk.
Thank you
Seems like a solid contender for a trad arrow setup.
Might be.
Why not a compound lol
awesome
Thank you
I love these VPAs!!! I use one out of the 6 heads I picked up to practice with. I shoot it about 15 times a day into a self healing foam 3D deer target. Been shooting this head daily for about 5 months. I was curious how much effort it would take to bring it back to hair popping sharpness. Only took a few min on a strop with green compound!!! There was zero edge damage after all that practicing with it. I may or may not have sent it through my would fencing a few times also 😅
Good to hear.
I love and use VPA heads, but this one seems like a solution needing a problem. I’ll stick with Cutthroats for my single bevels.
Also made by VPA
@@Gideom007 I understand that, but it’s a different design and a different price point.
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Looks like a hypodermic needle ish. Best point even for fish hooks. I think it's a very good idea and not a gimmick.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I killed buck on public with crossbow and VPA 250 grain double bevel a few years back. Arrow weight was 630 grains. Went thru the deer like it wasn't there and buried 6 inches in the ground. There is definitely a point of diminishing return for penetration on bone and broadhead width. Wide broadheads thru the ribs create a huge wound channel and better chance of better blood trail, but less likely to penetrate on a heavy bone strike. Its a narrow fence to straddle. In this part of the country, arrows can penetrate well and be lethal all day long, but no blood trail can also mean... no recovery. Decisions, decisions...
Thanks for sharing that.
I love the design. Do you think shooting into a 2x4 or 4x4 would show bone breaking ability?
no.
I've tried that...not really. But it can be a royal pain to get them out.
A solid broadhead, but the Sharpening process is more than I would want to deal with ... 😎🏹🐗🦌
Thanks for the comment.
With the fast bows & crossbows we have today a 200gr broadhead is still a pretty flat shooting braodhead out to your average
Yep.
It would be super wicked with bleeder blades !
I like bleeders as well.
What about sharpening the very tip? Or does it not get sharpened?
It can only get "so sharp" because of the steep angle on it...but that keeps it from rolling over as well.
Tooth of the arrow just came out with one very similar looking
I was just testing them, but they had a problem with the batch I'm testing. So I'm waiting for the new batch, coming in a few weeks. But TOTA is not one you can lay flat like this; it's just a 2 blade single bevel--pretty beefy though.
The word you are looking for is "micro bevel", and they work great when you have higher impact or pressure applied along the cutting edge. Knife guys do this all the time.
Yep. Thank you. Just don't see the benefit it a broadhead application like this one.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I made the comment right before you said micro bevel in the video, but when I came back looking to edit I couldn't find the comment. Free engagement for my error.
However I do think micro bevels have a place for broadheads. It's not all that much different than running the blade over a softer strop, like leather or hanging denim. The more control over the edge geometry, the better IMO.
In regards to the angled shot, has any broad-head ever had a problem with it? I can't recall ever seeing one fail that test myself but I haven't seen all your videos. My point being, if every broad head you have tested has not had a problem with the angled shot maybe there is no need for that specific test at all? Still amazed that you can come up with different broad heads to test on a regular basis. Keep it up.
Thank you for that question. Only one, after nearly 2 years of doing that test. I really don’t like that test. I only added it cause so many asked for it. As I look to 2024, I have 2 options: Increase the angle, making the test more difficult…or Eliminating the test. Personally, I see no value in increasing the angle, as I would never take or encourage such an angled shot on an animal. Additionally, sometimes those extreme angled shots are affected by the rotation of the head, and when the blades first impact the wood-not by the broadhead itself.
What are your thoughts?
Maybe shoot a metal plate angled. That would test the bite of the broadhead.
Your accuracy shots are always in a different spot on the target...with no "dot" to aim at, how do you know each shot is aimed at the exact same spot?
I dont get this either.
You just know where you released the broadhead then release the field point in the same location seems self explanatory to me
It's because I shoot a field point anywhere--then aim the broadhead at the field point, to see how well it groups with the field points.
Just interested after your tests which I all watched and enjoyed, would be your top 3 picks for Koedoe, Eland and elk?
I just responded to that ? on another vid.
Neat design but i don’t like the chatter and that has to be expected with a 26deg angle. You see that on acute angle broadheads like the cuthroat.
I think the regular VPA single bevel with a 35 deg bevel angle is better with more rotation and to me easier sharpening to a true single bevel head . Great tests here thank u!
Yep
Looks like a great head for hogs or elk
Yep.
How do I go about finding out which direction my crossbow arrows rotate?
You can try marking the vanes and shooting from two or three yards and then step back a couple yards and shoot again, step back a yard or two and shoot again. Unless you have some crazy helical on your vanes, the rotation will be pretty mild, maybe several degrees or a dozen degrees each couple yards, so you would be able to figure out which way the arrow is rotating from looking at how the marked vane turn with each shot.
Good comment made above.
There's no doubt this head can take a beating. Couple detractors for me ? S7 and 56 Rockwell I thought would A. be sharper, B. withstand a few shots without dulling. For some reason, I questioned myself if S7 and 58 was real or not ? I've seen S7 so hard they were ridiculously tough to even sharpen they were so stout.
Also ? 1-1/16 ? Make this head 1 - 3/16 and I think it might rotate more. Doesn't appear to be enough offset weight balance to spin it ? Olus we know the wound would be better. Flight may suffer possibly ? But being 1 piece, flight should be money.
I'm certain this will be a $100 type for 3 heads,,,,and I think there's better options out there like Iron Will for example.
There are different hardening processes used for S7; so all S7 is not equal. But they're all high quality tool steel and will maintain edge integrity better than most.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Well learn something everyday ! I never realized Rockwell could be different ? Isn’t that something.
I was suprised how minor the rotation was!
Yeah, that gradual angle doesn't get much rotation.
that front part is already pard of the blade angle from the factory... the factory never laid anything flat on the part you cant lay anything flat on... lol so it came from the factory with those angles.. youre not gonna actyally change any angles when you sharpen and remove the burr... yes you do change the edge angle on the back so you will lose a bit of potential sharpness.. i think the idea of a single bevel is to create a tristing motion when it impacts something so as to have more bone penetrating potential as it drills and punches thru instead of just punching... i dont know for sure
Thanks for the comment
A solid NO for me on the VPA Omega head. It is a solid head, but not for me. I am excited for the new 350 grain Ashby head from Grizzlystik in Bohler K340 tool steel. I hope they trickle the K340 to their 200 grain Maasai.
I’m interested in both…
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I wish they were wider
Yeah, I hear ya.
To break the burr off just run the backside on the grit you created the burr with. To much over thinking of breaking a burr
Not sure I follow you there.
Meh kinda reminds me of the jeep truck. The wheel base is wider so it’s not a great jeep and the beds so small it’s not a great truck. Still picked up edge chatter like a single bevel but didn’t rotate much at all. Don’t really see any benefit.
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Little complicated for me. I'm sure VPA make great Broadheads. I'll stick with my slicktricks and Chinese oz cut 150 gr two blade look alikes.
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WHITETAIL FURY?????
I haven't tested it, though I did ask them if they'd send me some.
A little overdone, on the broadhead design
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
What is the thickness of this broadhead?
It's in the video and the description/score sheet: .050"
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Thank you very much 👍
Good testing, John
Thank you