@@BattleBredKoncepts Solvakian Bandogs and if he knows the King Gladiator Lines which has been around for a while in Europe. Their base was old Corso and old type neo crossed with ABPT then going back 5 Generations or more please do ask Lee or find out about this Interesting Bandog line as it goes back 6 Gen or more
1. Gameness as it is defined in the APBT can only be tested/verified via dogfighting. 2. Gameness as it relates to the APBT cannot be proven via hog hunting. Or, any other activity outside of dogfighting. 3. Too often people associate, grit, tenacity, and, drive to gameness. These are all false equivalencies. Gameness, is demonstrated when, grit, tenacity, and, drive have been exhausted. To be clear I have nothing against what this gentleman is doing. I can appreciate anyone who is striving and working to create dogs with and for a functional/working purpose.
Gameness existed before the apbt was even created. Gameness is a working terrier trait. English staffordshire bull terrier was game, bull and terrier was game and the bull terrier was game. All came before the apbt.
The function of this Bandogs is not the same as that of a fighting dog, therefore you cannot apply the same definition of gameness. Gameness is the quality that makes a dog prioritise the completion of the task for which it was selected (being the task something that carries a certain "life-risk" for the individual) so a ‘game’ Bandog would be the one that is willing to keep fighting with the Hug or defending his family even in situations where this may result in physical harm or his own death.
This man has the knowledge, the education and has clearly done his research to get to where he is in dog breeding. Remember, to get a good dog, you have to get one from a good breeder.
Finally someone knows the true gospel of a bandog. Long before the age of the internet I imported a Tosa Inu. People did not know what it was, period. People are to young to even know about the Coby bloodline from years past. Now due to the internet its all about colors, and how many shows it won. I listen to breeders and I can tell they don't know crap about crap because all they're selling is crap. It all about colors, how many shows it won then they wonder how someone broke into their backyard and stole the dog (PERIOD).
Nobody wonders that when it comes to real apbt game dogs.(except newbies). they all now their dogs can be stolen cause their bred to be friendly to people..
There was a time when the color white dominated the pitbulls. Then, all of a sudden, buck skin began to show up as a dominating color of champions. This is just my theory here. When I saw Mayday and learned about the Tosa. I wondered to myself if they could have a mix Pitbull with a Tosa? Mayday was a large sized gamedog.
Mighty fine video. I was recommended this yesterday. I watched two videos interviewing Mr. Robinson about nine months ago, but I had no idea that this fellow was interviewed again. He has some of the finest bandogs I have ever seen. I wish dogs like these got more attention than dogs like the Hulk from Dark Dynasty K9s. No disrespect to the breeder of Hulk, but how big you can make a dog is not what folks should be focusing on when creating a dog. It is much more about performance. I see he mentioned the origin of the pit bull here. Robinson has the admittedly more mainstream theory that pit bulls are a mix of terrier and the old bull baiting bulldog and challenges the theory of Mr. Stratton that they are the original bull baiting bulldog. To be honest, I do not believe anyone knows for complete certain the history nor does it really matter at the end of the day. That being said, with absolutely no disrespect to the knowledgeable Mr. Robinson, I would be more likely to side with someone that has been involved strictly with the pit bull breed for decades over someone that specializes in another breed that utilizes the pit bull blood to add to their dogs when it comes to information on pit bulls. I would imagine that, just like with the greyhound, a lot of time went into the traits. I would imagine that the gameness of the pit bull that is not seen in any other dog to the same level or degree probably took more than 150 years. It would make sense that they would have had a head start in catch work and fighting bulls. I know Robison mentions the smaller size of some pit bulls also, but pit bulls can and have ranged in size. Some are around 30 lbs, while others can be around 70 lbs. It is possible that folks started breeding the bulldog down in size a bit when dog fighting started, because size was less of a factor when the opponents will always be the same size. It also sounds like the original bulldogs were not all that large as some folks would think. Another historian that is pretty learned in pit bulls is Diane Jessup. As she has said, "The dog called 'English bulldog' today is a show bred animal developed well AFTER baiting was banned. Dogs with the bracycephalic nose and short, wide, deformed body of the show bulldog never were typical of animals used for bullbaiting. Rather, the true bull-dog was a 40 to 65 pound dog, long of leg, with a strong, medium, working muzzle, and a long, thin tapering tail. The watercolor above is by Thomas Rowlandson [1756-1827], who sketched scenes of English life, and often drew butchers, baiters, dog fighters and their dogs. The above is entitled The Bull Bait and shows the riff raff typical of baiting sports and their bull-dogs; identical to today's American pit bull."
In regards to Hulk that dog isn’t considered a Bandog. Hulk is registered as a working Pit Bulldog. Some new thing to discern between the Bandog ( an unregistered type ), a American Bully XXl , American PitBull Terriers and the Pit Bulldog.
I will never understand how anyone can say the apbt is the original bullbaiting dog. The apbt wasn't even around when the English first used Mastiff's on bulls. The first time it was documented was back in the 13th century if I remember rightly. Bull and terriers aka the original pitbull wasn't even a known thing and Mastiff's were originally used then bulldog's. The history of blood sports was documented for centuries in Britain. Where does it say that the first bull baiting dogs were pitbulls exactly?? I'd rather believe hundreds of years of documented history over someone in a country that is not the birth place of the blood sport and biased. That's like me saying the apbt is an English breed it's ridiculous just mho 👍
I love Lee's RUclips channel but I have to point out that every one of those dogs is working exclusively in prey drive and playing a tug game. There is no displays of any true defensive drive in his dogs... You can also see that most of these dogs are sleeve happy
Very true. Protection dogs need a variety of training scenarios to prevent equipment bias. Maybe he does that, but I haven't seen any videos but sleeve work.
but, game also entails the endurance in a dog willing to continue a fight until it is near death. That is hard to capture with hog hunting unless you want to injure your dog, and let the dog kill the hog without help. That risks ur dogs life, just like dog fighting. At least in dog fighting (with the pit) if they run they lose, and if they WANT to fight, then they continue. Im not saying it should be legal... Im just saying, it doesnt prove its a game dog
When they say game.(In what way)because in the box bandog breed would take a few generations.Then even then at top level would take another few generations.Game and biting props and not getting bit back is two different things
I love your videos and love this man and what he's doing with pit bulls and game dogs. Only thing I'd add is Tibetan Mastiff and Central Asian Shepherd or Alabai were also dogs with the harshest selection as the latter faced almost complete natural selection. Was a very nice video 👍
The whole "game bred bandog" schtick that Robinson pushes is all just marketing that I hope people aren't getting hooked by. His dogs look like solid protection dogs, but they don't look much better than many other bandog/protection dog breeders out there. There are plenty of other dogs out there that can withstand tons of stress and punishment and still hold a bite, and he doesn't even define how a "game-bred bandog" would even act. You wouldn't even want a truly dead-game protection dog that you have to choke unconscious to get off a bite every time. Lee's dogs look great, but a lot of what he sells is all marketing hype, which is why he is able to sell his dogs at the ridiculous prices he charges.
He's a Bozo! the dogs he's going in on @20min because he had some beef with one of the owners of one!? and that sh!t is in the field out performing his sh!t for many generation+++ now and bred to Bandogs all doing the same. B!tch cant even read or break down a pedigree and all the crap he talked I actually owned the damn blood and dogs were registered ADBA and higher caliber dogs then most he's ever had hands on, the foundation dog was featured in a multi breed Protection Dog documentary video sold online before he even knew what a bandog was! I also own hard Virgil some of the most notorious for man work super intelligent, athletic, nasty and if he had a clue not bred how he thinks, also fails to mention was a GrCh, DOY (dog of the year) and voted dog of the decade but yes totally 'suspect'??? not to mention Bullyson/Eli one of the top most bred crossed lines on the planet! On top of, Bozo thinks he is some expert on gameness now when he has NEVER tested one for it in his life, and thinks a pedigree is a map for gameness ??? wins and losses DO NOT equal gameness, ability and gameness ARE NOT the same! If gameness is such a huge factor here then what is more important a dogs ability to handle a protection situation with high impact in short order or its gameness to stay and gets is ass beat for 2-3hrs, in the box a 30 minute monster that quits is still a 'cur' but would have handled the average man threat that lasts only a couple of minutes! 2-3 minutes playing tug with a sleeve IS NOT any type of indication of a game Bandog and a piss poor low level test for actual protection work and he does low level sport work while also bashing it yet too scared to ever actually compete with one of his elite dogs!??? But wants to sell you on his fantasy pedigree analysis and hypothetical genealogies of traits while old school breeders lied all the time... So all his 'theories' are straight bullshit! If he's such a top breeder why are 99% of his dogs going to Pet homes and No Real working dog people are actively looking for one of his dogs and No working venues see any of his dogs dudes the very definition of Kennel Blind!!! Just let him know in advance you are going to be actively training his blood with real trainers for real protection work and see how fast you DO NOT get a pup!!! LOL I saw a trainer hyping his shit had a male pup then a few months later dumped it, dog was a total Wash-out total nerve bag POS! Now he's some expert Gamedog guy LOL his early dogs were junk Whopper bred mutts and a half bred Alligator/AB (any bonehead could see the structure on that one!) and Sorrels which no damn body in the current game gives two shits about, now adds Mayday blood since Sorrels was so great to begin with right LOL how much paper did Sorrells hang on his dogs hiding the real blood and even Patrick changing Bucks pedigree after the fact... Mr pedigree expert!? Ask dude how he spent years trying wash any signs of pit bull off his website then few years later after having to infuse more pits to his lame Bandog line to spice up the sauce some more, now he is some top breeder of pits charging as much as Garner who is 40 years deep and bar none one of the top breeders on the planet! LOL and so legitimate and top caliber he was bounced off almost every Working Dog Forum for many years, a College degree does not make a dog-man but it does give the ability to lay on the Bull-shit extra thick with his pseudo intellectual rantings, only dog forum he had any traction on was a Bully-XXXL Forum dude had like 5K+ postings trying to peddle his bullshit to the Bully crowd he's a peddling-ass salesman first and foremost and now zeroing in on a bunch of suckers with a brand new scheme! This dude commenting as some expert on gameness is like a bus driver commenting on being an Astronaut!!!
@@MikeVV76 Hahaha I've been on some of the forums you're talking about. He's universally hated by pretty much every dog group online he's known on for being a douche. I just feel bad for the people on RUclips who get swindled into buying a $4000 puppy, thinking he's this ultra experienced and knowledgeable dog wizard, only for their dog to wash out.
I do t see how they can be Game Bred once they are crossed with another breed, you are lucky to get a true game dog breeding the only game bred dogs on the planet APBT.
Thanks a man that new how the genetics of the bull and terriers split into the staffy and the amstaff and the pit line breed for different traits for different jobs more bully for the staffy in the uk for the show ring you put the amstaff in the show ring and the pit was taken all the way as a fighting machine thanks buddy because everyone else thinks they are 3 different dogs not 3 lines and displays of the same beginnings
Been following this page for a while now. Love these dogs. Unfortunately I’m just a UPS blue collar worker in Jersey and can’t afford to own one. Maybe one day. God bless your program.
Thanks for the interview. Would you mind sharing some information on how one can go about with a long term breeding plan, say maybe articles or books on the topic. Really interesting philosophy. thanks again.
My grandfather bred game bred German short-haired pointers and rabbit dogs , hot blood, cold blood, Salukis crosses. Now his definition of dead game described the dogs willingness to hunt and die doing it. Run a rabbit for 7 minutes at full speed and as long as he can see it he's chasing and same with pointers point and flush from sun up to sun down never ever laying down and refusing to hunt.
Prey drive is not to be confused with game. Prey drive is the drive to hunt, run and catch an animal and not stop until it's dispatched. That's prey drive. All dogs should possess some level of prey drive.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha Yes I agree my Gr ch Tank died dead game. In game dogs dead game is what you want. We consider running a jackrabbit until his heart stops dead game on that level.
@@anthonywashington2492 well that's not game that's prey drive. When the jackrabbit turns around and starts fighting back. Then show me how many dogs continue.
I have 75pounds Amstaff,extremely dominant dog,,ones he was dealing with 7 grown men without any problem,my thinking is that dog between 60/110 pounds is best man stoper.
What's a stoper? A 75 lb. dog is not the best man *stopper* by any means. It can easily be lifted and slammed over an object, take down onto its back by a decently strong man and firgure 4 neck snapped. Not that you know about dog defense. I would not want to try this with a dog weighing 125+ pounds.
@@18B_Porta-Poty_PTSD No man in world can move one inch of my dog,i seen it,not a single inch he is hard as rock and comes back in second,can deal with numerous 200 plus pound people.
@@zeljakis817 I can deadlift 650 lbs. I can pick your dog up with 1 arm really easily. Not sure what kind of "men" you are dealing with where you live. If a dog bites on to my forearm, I will not try and remove the dog. I will pick it up in the air... I have done this before with a APBT that grabbed onto my wrist, and it weighed more than 75 lbs. It was thrashing back and furth. (Hurt like a SOB) but that did not stop me from picking it up with my arm that was being bitten and wrapping my free arm around its neck and choking it until its tongue was hanging out. Little sob came back after me when I let it go out of fear of killing it, so I jumped in the back of a random truck. I am just saying, there isn't a 75 lb. dog that isn't immoveable. That goes against the laws of physics... Get real dude...
@@18B_Porta-Poty_PTSD My dog line cant be touched,it can deal with Tosa Inu who is 90-100kg non stop machine,you are cookie for him,I am from Balkan,we got real dogs here not puppies like in US.
It depends on what kind of mass if you get the Cane Corso have all the traits that you are speaking of the agility traits of knowing it's family and being very worried of strangers and unafraid to attack I will not want my dog to walk on when it attacks ones have very powerful powerful jaws not locking them but getting bone protection bite at their bite when attacking the thing about a Cane Corso it could be 140 lb and have the agility of a panther
Does it matter for work purposes/is it common for a bandog to lose an upper canine tooth? As the bite power actually comes from the back of the jaw? Surely this is quite common?
How exactly is a dog game bred if it’s not a game dog ( fighting dog ) with game pedigree. Gameness is the dog willingness to give its all without. Quitting despite the amount of pain/suffering it’s enduring. Gameness is is pure drive, pure focus to the elimination of another dog. Game dogs should never be used as family protection dogs. They are too hot blooded, easy to invoke and nice far to often to nice to strangers. Hunting dogs and guardian breeds are game dog they are simply dogs with drive which is not the same as be game.
Plus the only way to actually game-test a dog is to either brutally maim the dog or try to kill the dog while it's in hold, or to match it with another game animal. Neither of which do I think Robinson actually does.
At what age would you grade the loyalty trait? Reason I ask. My A.P.B.T female is 14 months. She has always been friendly if you don't have 4 legs. But lately she has started what is call being leary of strangers.
I had a grandson of Virgil. One of the best dogs I’ve ever had and very intense but an extremely stable dog. Great with my kids and people. He wasn’t off the hook dog aggressive but wouldn’t back down that’s for sure.
I have a PresaxAPBT and wondering if she's too old to start protection training? She's just turned 3 and she's a rescue. Also, what age are protection dogs in their primes and what age are they too old? Hope someone can help answer these questions 🙏
I would like to ask Lee what’s his thoughts on the Solvakian Bandogs and if he knows the King Gladiator Lines which has been around for a while in Europe. Their base was old Corso and old type neo crossed with ABPT then going back 5 Generations or more
I think the problem is more is people don't get the difference between the two . of course you can have a game bred band dog cause they have game dogs in them. People just need to learn how to separate the two.
Arnt there large man stopping sized dogs out there already? Like a dogo or civil aggressive Boerboels, pressas and Corsos? Those mastiff are not just big and lazy.
@@BattleBredKoncepts how big is he trying to go? Seems like large Scott bulldog and Apbt mix would work well. Isn't a mastiff historically for roaming large areas in packs and putting down threats. Very independent thinking. Also one of the best traits about pits is they can be handled while working. Purposely people friendly. I'm interested to see what he comes up with.
Plus one more question Isn't the American bulldog A larger dog that will take hold of prey and hold that grip as far as hunting ?? I guess maybe I am a little confused because didn't be swimford Do this same thing ?? Or is American sentinel totally different ,!? And let me say I am not asking these questions to be rude or doubt you at all ,Really I am interested ,I have been studying and learning for well I am 53 since I was 6-7 My grandfather was a dogman And some of the things he told me and taught me alot of people Eaither don't believe me ,or don't understand , And how much do you look at hybrid vigor
Well 30 years bulldog experience an really good years in performance American bulldogs are probably bout the next gamest breed an some kennels have outstanding protection programs check otac American bulldog
This is the formula to follow for any performance based breeding program. Groundbreaking work that can remedy all of the faults plaguing most of our AKC recognized breeds of today.
Something that wasn’t spoke on was that some “PR” blood can work. Lineage gives you an idea but the proof is the dog in front of you. The dog he threw shade on bred off of Gamblers GrCh Virgil may not be purely gamebred but his performance speaks for itself.
So if you made a Gamebred bandog,let me ask you this ,can you follow the gene pool and breed to Gamebred dogs and get a Gamebred puppy ,Or just like the Apbt some of the liter are good some bad ,or maybe none good or maybe all bad ,,Or do you need to go back to the F1 And when your talking Gamebred do you mean Gamebred for combat or are you talking manstoper or hunting
@@kevinmichael503 yes,That is was I was taught,So I was confused with the title making a game bred Bandog But then when I listen it's talking about gameness as it relates to hunting or working ,I thought when he was saying making a game bred Bandog I thought he was talking about the box
I like the look of his dogs but I’m not entirely convinced about the working ability tbh. Would like to see a dog enter some sort of trial. A dog in its own environment biting a sleeve and not letting go when it hears the sound of a whip just doesn’t do much to convince me. Would like to see the dogs put in different situations and under more pressure. I want to like his dogs as I see many bandogs being bred just for looks. Just be nice to see the dogs tested more IMO.
I have a bandog and it is exactly as you described. Sport dog that will bite a sleeve in a rehearsed routine. She is not a protection dog. Idk if these are the same but I wouldn't trust anyone again without extensive proof and a variety of different training scenarios.
Tosa-Inu is a great dog...must better on average than other mastiffs, but they are not game dogs. They will go out of hold when tired and/or hot...and stand around.
@@APBT-Bandog Which Mastiff are you using that is more determined to stay than a Tosa Honestly? Boer Boel, Neo, Presa, OEM, Cane Corso, Great Dane French Mastiff???
@@PantherCrane on average, the Tosa is the is bolder than other Mastiffs, but the best Mastiff I ever saw was our female Eclipse, who was an English. Most English are not close to her inability, and the same can be said for the Tosa. I have owned and used Tosa, English, & Neo…but I never chose the mastiff on the basis of breed. I selected the best individuals I could find after hundreds of hours of research and testing. Our Tosa was imported and she was nice. Nothing wrong with a Tosa…it just isn’t a game dog like the APBT. The APBT is what I am comparing the Tosa to.
@@APBT-Bandog It seems like it will be extremely hard to create what you’re trying to do. Game breed Bandog’s Because Of Mastiff’s not being “Game” if I’m correct. Thanks for the reply 🍻
that was official no doubt. i feel the same way about the apbt as he, they're too friendly with everybody unlike the ones from the early days that were man bitters. I like my dogs to be tolerant of people not too friendly... good show bro 👊😎💯💯💯
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 funniest thing seen all day.. based off of what??? Words and lies??? 😂 dude is a fukking joke. Misfits has the best consistent banddogs in the US
@@MrTtony21 seems like you have a personal problem with Lee Robinson. I am a student, as my RUclips name says plainly. I don't claim to know it all but I have enough experience in the dog world and more importantly, the working dog world to know that the breeding practices Lee is explaining makes sense plain and simple and from what I can see he is on the way to creating the closest thing to a "game" bandog that I have come across so far. Hopefully this comment will keep you in stitches as well as my last one did.
Student for Life Dog Training explain the regrip in these videos and others he’s posted on Facebook. Better yet have him show you his blocked list or get on any hog dog page and just type his name and see what they have to say. Smart man but a trash human who will flat lie to you
Richard straton believes the apbt specifically the gamebred apbt is the original bulldog no crosses . The gamebred apbt is a breed onto itself... some historians believe the apbt maybe a century old not 150 years.
Yes, he does believe that. I respect him, but I disagree...as I believe it is a terrier cross, as stated in this video...for a few reasons, I know some old dogmen that when they were young dogmen they were elbow to elbow to old dogmen of their time, and they were taught that, plus the Bull-n-Terrier references, plus there are registered dogs that were less than 20#.
@@APBT-Bandog I agree with Mr straton just on gamedogs my research has led my to only amstaff and ukc dogs being crossed for show type dogs just my opinion. If you do some research on the old southern bulldogs the dogs that went south right of the ship with immigrants to work farms etc that will lead you to bulldogs hence why southerners called apbt bulldogs. The fondation dogs for most of all the game lines always leads back to big dogs 65 plus lbs now if there were being crossed they would've been much smaller dogs. The crossing started with the akc and ukc show dogs .
@@APBT-Bandog that were ukc registered and akc registered am staffs, staffy bulls . we're talking game dogs not show dogs and yes there are game lines that are show lines conformation lines etc. This is a timeless debate we are not the first or last people who will disagree on this topic. I Just want to point out that i dont completely disagree with you. I think some lines were deffenely crossed like Sorona .
@@APBT-Bandog colbys pincher was a 75 lbs. baileys bingo 70lbs. waccamaws big john 75 lbs . Tants cody cw 80 amd gr ch mayday 75 lbs these are heavy weights the list goes on im talking fast lane dogs not show type dogs and lines .
Dogs didn't seem so loyal trying to snatch on the owners pants legs lol..you can't train a dog to attack people and think they want resort back to that when they have been mostly trained for that..this guy got some good knowledge no doubt .but training them to hit people isn't the way..if u are using them for game hunting..# Texas Scratch King 👑
None of my APBT were good guard dogs... All my pits LOVED people and would probably help a burglar carry out our valuables.... But God help them if they attacked our family... That being said I've NEVER used my dogs as guardor protection dogs, that's my job and I can guarantee you, me and my equipment are much more effective then any dog, to protect my home and family.
In Colby’s book of the APBT on page 12, he says as follows: “Yet the breed most commonly associated with the British Isles, and indeed the breed that has come to symbolize British (and Irish) courage, pride and love of a good scrap is the fighting bulldog known today as the American Pit Bull Terrier. Colby was not crossing his game stock to terriers
Doesn't matter if colby was crossing them with terriers. They had already been crossed by who he got them from. It was the English who crossed the bulldog with a terrier to create the bull terrier type dogs. Pitbulls are indetical to the patterdale terriers in behavior
You can't make a dog game bred it has to be born gamebred you can breed game bred dogs and hope that something game comes out but it's not a such thing as making a dog game bred
Now let’s understand one thing it’s possible to breed game dogs. The American Bulldog on the “ painter blood line” is living proof the problem is getting one of that strain. The Johnson blood is different ( he added Saint Bernard) the other proof is when you make Presa pit Bull mastiff Neo however the problem is getting the same results ( offspring) can be difficult. Remember it took them 25, years to make Dogo Argentinian just to give you a better idea. There’s great dogs around the world were people still use them as baiting dogs those dogs would be of great selection if you could get them. Some dogs are late bloomers so sometimes people think they have a useless dog and many dogs have been ruined.
There is no such animal as a gamebred bandogs that’s laughable 😂😂😂😂….this dude don’t even know what gamebred means, set them in the box and see if they scratch, they won’t , facts not opinion. Working a sleeve is not proving nothing.
If they are proven game in the [] then they are game bred. If they are just hitting a sleeve or hog they are not game, anyway you try to swing it to convince yourself or others.
Just buy a Kangal that has already been bred to perfection. It will destroy any dog in the world and the only two dogs that can come close are the Alabai and Ovcharka.
Kangals are bred to protect livestock not people. Normal people even people that own bandogs don't need Lgd's if they can't/won't be able to fulfill their needs. Kangals will not destroy any dog in the world
@@user99_624 You are very ignorant of Kangal breeds. There are 4 Turkish Kangal breeds in the 6 regions of Turkey, all with unique characteristics. Kangal's (Especially the Sivas Kangal) are the fastest by far, large dog breed. Not even close, undebatable, it's a fact. Anyone that disagrees is either dumb or lying. Kangal's bite harder than any dog breed in the world. Again, not debatable, its a fact. Kangal's are some of the most powerful and largest dog breeds in the world. And to go with that, is a lot of stanima. Oftentimes people mistake Malakai, Alabai, Boz and many others that look a lot like Kangals but they are NOT kangals. Name another dog close in size to a kangal that runs almost as fast, almost bites as hard and can run for miles and miles and miles chasing wolves and some of the largest bore in the world? You can't. Bottom line, there isn't another dog breed in the world as perfectly breed as a Sivas Kangal. Maybe its speed has something to do with the fact that it has Greyhound in its breeding lineage. You know nothing.
Game is reserved only for real pitbulls put one in the box with a real one and see what happens shit look good for 5 10 15 min and high tail those of you if you had no experience fuck what you heard
Staffordshire bull terriers were in the pit way before the apbt was even created as was the bull terrier and bull and terrier. Gameness is a working terrier trait. It's not just apbt that's game. Apbt was the last game dog to be created
Well I'm not puting up real cash or entertaining no staff match you can say what u want ask your self would u b puting up 25 k 50 k 100 k on no staff .
I have heard the theory of the original bulldog But trust me some of the APBT lines of today have some other buu& terrier blood in them way back ,there was a dog around 1900 in Boston that was a game piitdog in itself the father off the Boston terrier ,old round head ,There was some bull terrier I. There ,some had more terrier or more bulldog ,there was some,Oh well enough ,If there is away I could reach out to America sentinel
Am staff is a pitbull smfh wat change is the title just like the argument over the Boston terrier its was known as a bull terrier because of argument it was change to Boston bull terrier because the ppl wasn't satisfied that's how they got the name to ofn n Colby dogs go under staff now some still game dogs bandogs ain't nothing but multiple dogs in 1 mutts I seen a ped on sentinel dogs along time ago only dogs I pointed out was Sorrell dogs the others I didn't but for dam show Sorrell in them peds
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What are your thoughts on Tacoma Amstaffs?
@@byrontobin3556 haven't studied them enough to know.
@@BattleBredKoncepts they are staffs enough said ,or I guess it depends on what your looking for
@@BattleBredKoncepts Solvakian Bandogs and if he knows the King Gladiator Lines which has been around for a while in Europe. Their base was old Corso and old type neo crossed with ABPT then going back 5 Generations or more please do ask Lee or find out about this Interesting Bandog line as it goes back 6 Gen or more
@@52Blue1 sure! I can look into it.
These dogs are soft as jelly with the family and a monster to intruders. Love em.
1. Gameness as it is defined in the APBT can only be tested/verified via dogfighting.
2. Gameness as it relates to the APBT cannot be proven via hog hunting. Or, any other activity outside of dogfighting.
3. Too often people associate, grit, tenacity, and, drive to gameness. These are all false equivalencies. Gameness, is demonstrated when, grit, tenacity, and, drive have been exhausted.
To be clear I have nothing against what this gentleman is doing. I can appreciate anyone who is striving and working to create dogs with and for a functional/working purpose.
everything you stated is facts..
Gameness existed before the apbt was even created. Gameness is a working terrier trait. English staffordshire bull terrier was game, bull and terrier was game and the bull terrier was game. All came before the apbt.
The function of this Bandogs is not the same as that of a fighting dog, therefore you cannot apply the same definition of gameness. Gameness is the quality that makes a dog prioritise the completion of the task for which it was selected (being the task something that carries a certain "life-risk" for the individual) so a ‘game’ Bandog would be the one that is willing to keep fighting with the Hug or defending his family even in situations where this may result in physical harm or his own death.
This man has the knowledge, the education and has clearly done his research to get to where he is in dog breeding. Remember, to get a good dog, you have to get one from a good breeder.
until he said we went to the moon lol
When you really know what you're doing,and you really know what your talking about, people start to talk shit about you.Lee is on the right path.
Finally someone knows the true gospel of a bandog. Long before the age of the internet I imported a Tosa Inu. People did not know what it was, period. People are to young to even know about the Coby bloodline from years past. Now due to the internet its all about colors, and how many shows it won. I listen to breeders and I can tell they don't know crap about crap because all they're selling is crap. It all about colors, how many shows it won then they wonder how someone broke into their backyard and stole the dog (PERIOD).
So they didn't have books before the internet 😁
this has me dying not the broke in and stole the dog and then be mad asl so much for a champion bloodline 🤣
Nobody wonders that when it comes to real apbt game dogs.(except newbies). they all now their dogs can be stolen cause their bred to be friendly to people..
There was a time when the color white dominated the pitbulls. Then, all of a sudden, buck skin began to show up as a dominating color of champions. This is just my theory here. When I saw Mayday and learned about the Tosa. I wondered to myself if they could have a mix Pitbull with a Tosa? Mayday was a large sized gamedog.
Lmfao. Bandogges are nothing but rough curs. There's no reason for it anyway. Any good 50lb bulldog is going to Cur the best Bandogges out
Mighty fine video. I was recommended this yesterday. I watched two videos interviewing Mr. Robinson about nine months ago, but I had no idea that this fellow was interviewed again. He has some of the finest bandogs I have ever seen. I wish dogs like these got more attention than dogs like the Hulk from Dark Dynasty K9s. No disrespect to the breeder of Hulk, but how big you can make a dog is not what folks should be focusing on when creating a dog. It is much more about performance. I see he mentioned the origin of the pit bull here. Robinson has the admittedly more mainstream theory that pit bulls are a mix of terrier and the old bull baiting bulldog and challenges the theory of Mr. Stratton that they are the original bull baiting bulldog. To be honest, I do not believe anyone knows for complete certain the history nor does it really matter at the end of the day. That being said, with absolutely no disrespect to the knowledgeable Mr. Robinson, I would be more likely to side with someone that has been involved strictly with the pit bull breed for decades over someone that specializes in another breed that utilizes the pit bull blood to add to their dogs when it comes to information on pit bulls. I would imagine that, just like with the greyhound, a lot of time went into the traits. I would imagine that the gameness of the pit bull that is not seen in any other dog to the same level or degree probably took more than 150 years. It would make sense that they would have had a head start in catch work and fighting bulls. I know Robison mentions the smaller size of some pit bulls also, but pit bulls can and have ranged in size. Some are around 30 lbs, while others can be around 70 lbs. It is possible that folks started breeding the bulldog down in size a bit when dog fighting started, because size was less of a factor when the opponents will always be the same size. It also sounds like the original bulldogs were not all that large as some folks would think.
Another historian that is pretty learned in pit bulls is Diane Jessup. As she has said, "The dog called 'English bulldog' today is a show bred animal developed well AFTER baiting was banned. Dogs with the bracycephalic nose and short, wide, deformed body of the show bulldog never were typical of animals used for bullbaiting. Rather, the true bull-dog was a 40 to 65 pound dog, long of leg, with a strong, medium, working muzzle, and a long, thin tapering tail. The watercolor above is by Thomas Rowlandson [1756-1827], who sketched scenes of English life, and often drew butchers, baiters, dog fighters and their dogs. The above is entitled The Bull Bait and shows the riff raff typical of baiting sports and their bull-dogs; identical to today's American pit bull."
I really appreciate the love. I have 7 interviews with Lee all together. Plus a yard tour.
In regards to Hulk that dog isn’t considered a Bandog. Hulk is registered as a working Pit Bulldog. Some new thing to discern between the Bandog ( an unregistered type ), a American Bully XXl , American PitBull Terriers and the Pit Bulldog.
@@edwardsdeacon those with any clue understand he is a cross bred bandog mutt and the owner promoted him as the largest 'pit bull' in the world!
I will never understand how anyone can say the apbt is the original bullbaiting dog. The apbt wasn't even around when the English first used Mastiff's on bulls. The first time it was documented was back in the 13th century if I remember rightly. Bull and terriers aka the original pitbull wasn't even a known thing and Mastiff's were originally used then bulldog's. The history of blood sports was documented for centuries in Britain. Where does it say that the first bull baiting dogs were pitbulls exactly?? I'd rather believe hundreds of years of documented history over someone in a country that is not the birth place of the blood sport and biased. That's like me saying the apbt is an English breed it's ridiculous just mho 👍
NO SUCH THING AS AN ENGLISH BULLDOG YOU ARE GETTING CONFUSED WITH THE BRITISH BULLDOG
I love Lee's RUclips channel but I have to point out that every one of those dogs is working exclusively in prey drive and playing a tug game. There is no displays of any true defensive drive in his dogs... You can also see that most of these dogs are sleeve happy
Very true. Protection dogs need a variety of training scenarios to prevent equipment bias. Maybe he does that, but I haven't seen any videos but sleeve work.
Which is why we know what they are being bred trained, and sold to do.
It’s not “protection”.
That little chocolate colored bulldog at the end of the video was lightning fast!! ⚡⚡
Awesome interview,thankyou for sharing.
This is invaluable information.Thankyou for sharing.
but, game also entails the endurance in a dog willing to continue a fight until it is near death. That is hard to capture with hog hunting unless you want to injure your dog, and let the dog kill the hog without help. That risks ur dogs life, just like dog fighting. At least in dog fighting (with the pit) if they run they lose, and if they WANT to fight, then they continue.
Im not saying it should be legal... Im just saying, it doesnt prove its a game dog
When they say game.(In what way)because in the box bandog breed would take a few generations.Then even then at top level would take another few generations.Game and biting props and not getting bit back is two different things
Just got to watching this video and I totally agree with everything I be heard great insight into the breed thank you
I love your videos and love this man and what he's doing with pit bulls and game dogs. Only thing I'd add is Tibetan Mastiff and Central Asian Shepherd or Alabai were also dogs with the harshest selection as the latter faced almost complete natural selection. Was a very nice video 👍
The whole "game bred bandog" schtick that Robinson pushes is all just marketing that I hope people aren't getting hooked by. His dogs look like solid protection dogs, but they don't look much better than many other bandog/protection dog breeders out there. There are plenty of other dogs out there that can withstand tons of stress and punishment and still hold a bite, and he doesn't even define how a "game-bred bandog" would even act. You wouldn't even want a truly dead-game protection dog that you have to choke unconscious to get off a bite every time. Lee's dogs look great, but a lot of what he sells is all marketing hype, which is why he is able to sell his dogs at the ridiculous prices he charges.
He's a Bozo! the dogs he's going in on @20min because he had some beef with one of the owners of one!? and that sh!t is in the field out performing his sh!t for many generation+++ now and bred to Bandogs all doing the same. B!tch cant even read or break down a pedigree and all the crap he talked I actually owned the damn blood and dogs were registered ADBA and higher caliber dogs then most he's ever had hands on, the foundation dog was featured in a multi breed Protection Dog documentary video sold online before he even knew what a bandog was! I also own hard Virgil some of the most notorious for man work super intelligent, athletic, nasty and if he had a clue not bred how he thinks, also fails to mention was a GrCh, DOY (dog of the year) and voted dog of the decade but yes totally 'suspect'??? not to mention Bullyson/Eli one of the top most bred crossed lines on the planet! On top of, Bozo thinks he is some expert on gameness now when he has NEVER tested one for it in his life, and thinks a pedigree is a map for gameness ??? wins and losses DO NOT equal gameness, ability and gameness ARE NOT the same! If gameness is such a huge factor here then what is more important a dogs ability to handle a protection situation with high impact in short order or its gameness to stay and gets is ass beat for 2-3hrs, in the box a 30 minute monster that quits is still a 'cur' but would have handled the average man threat that lasts only a couple of minutes! 2-3 minutes playing tug with a sleeve IS NOT any type of indication of a game Bandog and a piss poor low level test for actual protection work and he does low level sport work while also bashing it yet too scared to ever actually compete with one of his elite dogs!??? But wants to sell you on his fantasy pedigree analysis and hypothetical genealogies of traits while old school breeders lied all the time... So all his 'theories' are straight bullshit! If he's such a top breeder why are 99% of his dogs going to Pet homes and No Real working dog people are actively looking for one of his dogs and No working venues see any of his dogs dudes the very definition of Kennel Blind!!! Just let him know in advance you are going to be actively training his blood with real trainers for real protection work and see how fast you DO NOT get a pup!!! LOL I saw a trainer hyping his shit had a male pup then a few months later dumped it, dog was a total Wash-out total nerve bag POS! Now he's some expert Gamedog guy LOL his early dogs were junk Whopper bred mutts and a half bred Alligator/AB (any bonehead could see the structure on that one!) and Sorrels which no damn body in the current game gives two shits about, now adds Mayday blood since Sorrels was so great to begin with right LOL how much paper did Sorrells hang on his dogs hiding the real blood and even Patrick changing Bucks pedigree after the fact... Mr pedigree expert!? Ask dude how he spent years trying wash any signs of pit bull off his website then few years later after having to infuse more pits to his lame Bandog line to spice up the sauce some more, now he is some top breeder of pits charging as much as Garner who is 40 years deep and bar none one of the top breeders on the planet! LOL and so legitimate and top caliber he was bounced off almost every Working Dog Forum for many years, a College degree does not make a dog-man but it does give the ability to lay on the Bull-shit extra thick with his pseudo intellectual rantings, only dog forum he had any traction on was a Bully-XXXL Forum dude had like 5K+ postings trying to peddle his bullshit to the Bully crowd he's a peddling-ass salesman first and foremost and now zeroing in on a bunch of suckers with a brand new scheme! This dude commenting as some expert on gameness is like a bus driver commenting on being an Astronaut!!!
@@MikeVV76 Hahaha I've been on some of the forums you're talking about. He's universally hated by pretty much every dog group online he's known on for being a douche. I just feel bad for the people on RUclips who get swindled into buying a $4000 puppy, thinking he's this ultra experienced and knowledgeable dog wizard, only for their dog to wash out.
I saw the dogs wanting to eat two fellas i dont see in his videos often. might just be they dont want to bite the people they train with
Got any dogs for us to check out that are better than his program or can lead to some that you consider to be better?
I do t see how they can be Game Bred once they are crossed with another breed, you are lucky to get a true game dog breeding the only game bred dogs on the planet APBT.
Thanks a man that new how the genetics of the bull and terriers split into the staffy and the amstaff and the pit line breed for different traits for different jobs more bully for the staffy in the uk for the show ring you put the amstaff in the show ring and the pit was taken all the way as a fighting machine thanks buddy because everyone else thinks they are 3 different dogs not 3 lines and displays of the same beginnings
Love this type of work dog
Been following this page for a while now. Love these dogs. Unfortunately I’m just a UPS blue collar worker in Jersey and can’t afford to own one. Maybe one day. God bless your program.
If there is a will, there is a way. I hope you get everything you desire. His dogs are the best.
If jersey didn’t rob us blind with property taxes and inflated property values it would be easier.
Thanks for the interview. Would you mind sharing some information on how one can go about with a long term breeding plan, say maybe articles or books on the topic. Really interesting philosophy. thanks again.
My grandfather bred game bred German short-haired pointers and rabbit dogs , hot blood, cold blood, Salukis crosses. Now his definition of dead game described the dogs willingness to hunt and die doing it. Run a rabbit for 7 minutes at full speed and as long as he can see it he's chasing and same with pointers point and flush from sun up to sun down never ever laying down and refusing to hunt.
I would consider that a level of gameness.
Prey drive is not to be confused with game. Prey drive is the drive to hunt, run and catch an animal and not stop until it's dispatched. That's prey drive. All dogs should possess some level of prey drive.
Game is the will to continue fighting even while facing defeat. This applies to all of God's creatures.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha Yes I agree my Gr ch Tank died dead game. In game dogs dead game is what you want. We consider running a jackrabbit until his heart stops dead game on that level.
@@anthonywashington2492 well that's not game that's prey drive. When the jackrabbit turns around and starts fighting back. Then show me how many dogs continue.
I have 75pounds Amstaff,extremely dominant dog,,ones he was dealing with 7 grown men without any problem,my thinking is that dog between 60/110 pounds is best man stoper.
What's a stoper? A 75 lb. dog is not the best man *stopper* by any means. It can easily be lifted and slammed over an object, take down onto its back by a decently strong man and firgure 4 neck snapped. Not that you know about dog defense. I would not want to try this with a dog weighing 125+ pounds.
@@18B_Porta-Poty_PTSD No man in world can move one inch of my dog,i seen it,not a single inch he is hard as rock and comes back in second,can deal with numerous 200 plus pound people.
@@zeljakis817 I can deadlift 650 lbs. I can pick your dog up with 1 arm really easily. Not sure what kind of "men" you are dealing with where you live. If a dog bites on to my forearm, I will not try and remove the dog. I will pick it up in the air... I have done this before with a APBT that grabbed onto my wrist, and it weighed more than 75 lbs. It was thrashing back and furth. (Hurt like a SOB) but that did not stop me from picking it up with my arm that was being bitten and wrapping my free arm around its neck and choking it until its tongue was hanging out. Little sob came back after me when I let it go out of fear of killing it, so I jumped in the back of a random truck.
I am just saying, there isn't a 75 lb. dog that isn't immoveable. That goes against the laws of physics... Get real dude...
@@18B_Porta-Poty_PTSD My dog line cant be touched,it can deal with Tosa Inu who is 90-100kg non stop machine,you are cookie for him,I am from Balkan,we got real dogs here not puppies like in US.
@@zeljakis817 ok dude, so your ‘’American’’ dog is bigger and badder than its ancestors In America. Because your in another country. Ok makes sense.
It depends on what kind of mass if you get the Cane Corso have all the traits that you are speaking of the agility traits of knowing it's family and being very worried of strangers and unafraid to attack I will not want my dog to walk on when it attacks ones have very powerful powerful jaws not locking them but getting bone protection bite at their bite when attacking the thing about a Cane Corso it could be 140 lb and have the agility of a panther
Does it matter for work purposes/is it common for a bandog to lose an upper canine tooth? As the bite power actually comes from the back of the jaw? Surely this is quite common?
Why not use Tosa or Presa and have gamebred lineage on both ends??
Presa isn't game
Big dogs get tired easier and are less agile. Why make them bigger?
Maybe you need to rewatch the video
How exactly is a dog game bred if it’s not a game dog ( fighting dog ) with game pedigree. Gameness is the dog willingness to give its all without. Quitting despite the amount of pain/suffering it’s enduring. Gameness is is pure drive, pure focus to the elimination of another dog.
Game dogs should never be used as family protection dogs. They are too hot blooded, easy to invoke and nice far to often to nice to strangers.
Hunting dogs and guardian breeds are game dog they are simply dogs with drive which is not the same as be game.
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You on point bro. He doesnt know the difference hes just trying to peddle his crossed mutts
Facts he’s got CURRS!!
You get it.
Plus the only way to actually game-test a dog is to either brutally maim the dog or try to kill the dog while it's in hold, or to match it with another game animal. Neither of which do I think Robinson actually does.
This don't make him game another dog got to be on his ass to see if he are she game my boy fr
At what age would you grade the loyalty trait? Reason I ask. My A.P.B.T female is 14 months. She has always been friendly if you don't have 4 legs. But lately she has started what is call being leary of strangers.
It varies honestly.
It's possible. But you'll never know if your dog is truly game until you match them again death.. lol
yes dude is a BOZO! been watching him polish his clown shoes for about 15 years now!
Just like beagle dogs or any dog the more training and exercise and practice the better the outcome same as athletes more work better results
Not Lee R. throwing shade on Gamblers Virgil on the battlebredk9 interview 🤣
I had a grandson of Virgil. One of the best dogs I’ve ever had and very intense but an extremely stable dog. Great with my kids and people. He wasn’t off the hook dog aggressive but wouldn’t back down that’s for sure.
I have a PresaxAPBT and wondering if she's too old to start protection training? She's just turned 3 and she's a rescue. Also, what age are protection dogs in their primes and what age are they too old? Hope someone can help answer these questions 🙏
I would like to ask Lee what’s his thoughts on the Solvakian Bandogs and if he knows the King Gladiator Lines which has been around for a while in Europe. Their base was old Corso and old type neo crossed with ABPT then going back 5 Generations or more
I got gladiator line, He's 7 and was te runt but he is a great dog!
@@DCRACKA very good from which breeding? Il send you pics of my one he is 2yrs old. How was his character this bloodline has very high prey drive!
I got a dog from slovakia extasy bandogge lines. Cheap best dog i ever had
How to make bandog
I think the problem is more is people don't get the difference between the two . of course you can have a game bred band dog cause they have game dogs in them. People just need to learn how to separate the two.
the man the science 🧪 talking realistic facts as always real and more than a dogman 👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻🗣🗣
Thanks for watching!!!
it’s always a pleasure to watch your channel!
@@osiris1054 i truly appreciate it! Stay in touch my friend.
Can't wait
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For what?
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Arnt there large man stopping sized dogs out there already? Like a dogo or civil aggressive Boerboels, pressas and Corsos? Those mastiff are not just big and lazy.
Yes but will they quit if they are up against a stronger opponent?
@@BattleBredKoncepts how big is he trying to go? Seems like large Scott bulldog and Apbt mix would work well. Isn't a mastiff historically for roaming large areas in packs and putting down threats. Very independent thinking.
Also one of the best traits about pits is they can be handled while working. Purposely people friendly. I'm interested to see what he comes up with.
@@palley253 his program is 20 years deep. Check out part 2 of the interview.
Plus one more question
Isn't the American bulldog
A larger dog that will take hold of prey and hold that grip as far as hunting ?? I guess maybe I am a little confused because didn't be swimford
Do this same thing ?? Or is American sentinel totally different ,!? And let me say I am not asking these questions to be rude or doubt you at all ,Really I am interested ,I have been studying and learning for well I am 53 since I was 6-7
My grandfather was a dogman
And some of the things he told me and taught me alot of people Eaither don't believe me ,or don't understand ,
And how much do you look at hybrid vigor
Well 30 years bulldog experience an really good years in performance American bulldogs are probably bout the next gamest breed an some kennels have outstanding protection programs check otac American bulldog
This is the formula to follow for any performance based breeding program. Groundbreaking work that can remedy all of the faults plaguing most of our AKC recognized breeds of today.
Something that wasn’t spoke on was that some “PR” blood can work. Lineage gives you an idea but the proof is the dog in front of you. The dog he threw shade on bred off of Gamblers GrCh Virgil may not be purely gamebred but his performance speaks for itself.
Agreed, a lot are bandogs already.
U do yo thang on the videos 💪🏽
I appreciate that my friend.
3:00 But was it a full grown dog?
It's awesome to hear from a college educated dogman that has learned in the classroom and most importantly in the field.
Loving these interviews, learning so much... Appreciate all the time you invested!!!
Thanks brother! Check out part 2!
So if you made a Gamebred bandog,let me ask you this ,can you follow the gene pool and breed to Gamebred dogs and get a Gamebred puppy ,Or just like the Apbt some of the liter are good some bad ,or maybe none good or maybe all bad ,,Or do you need to go back to the F1
And when your talking Gamebred do you mean Gamebred for combat or are you talking manstoper or hunting
I have a bunch of interviews with Lee. It's best to go back and reference those.
@@BattleBredKoncepts thank you ,how can I see these ,Or would you willing to share them
@@stevebillieroberts9582 I'm late here. Respect to you. I was always TOLD gameness only can be truly determined in the pit.
@@kevinmichael503 yes,That is was I was taught,So I was confused with the title making a game bred Bandog
But then when I listen it's talking about gameness as it relates to hunting or working ,I thought when he was saying making a game bred Bandog I thought he was talking about the box
@@stevebillieroberts9582 Seems to me we was taught the same thing. I'm from North Carolina by the way.
I love this interview, great to hear a intelligent dogman talk about our beloved bulldog.
Hogs and in the box is still different
I like the look of his dogs but I’m not entirely convinced about the working ability tbh. Would like to see a dog enter some sort of trial. A dog in its own environment biting a sleeve and not letting go when it hears the sound of a whip just doesn’t do much to convince me. Would like to see the dogs put in different situations and under more pressure. I want to like his dogs as I see many bandogs being bred just for looks. Just be nice to see the dogs tested more IMO.
I have a bandog and it is exactly as you described. Sport dog that will bite a sleeve in a rehearsed routine. She is not a protection dog. Idk if these are the same but I wouldn't trust anyone again without extensive proof and a variety of different training scenarios.
@@jfkst1 yeah I’d like to see the dog put into a trial it hasn’t rehearsed for. To really see where the dogs heart is at.
Awesome video!
Thanks brother!
@18:38 which is why we use the Tosa - Inu battle lines.
Tosa-Inu is a great dog...must better on average than other mastiffs, but they are not game dogs. They will go out of hold when tired and/or hot...and stand around.
@@APBT-Bandog Which Mastiff are you using that is more determined to stay than a Tosa Honestly? Boer Boel, Neo, Presa, OEM, Cane Corso, Great Dane French Mastiff???
@@PantherCrane on average, the Tosa is the is bolder than other Mastiffs, but the best Mastiff I ever saw was our female Eclipse, who was an English. Most English are not close to her inability, and the same can be said for the Tosa. I have owned and used Tosa, English, & Neo…but I never chose the mastiff on the basis of breed. I selected the best individuals I could find after hundreds of hours of research and testing. Our Tosa was imported and she was nice. Nothing wrong with a Tosa…it just isn’t a game dog like the APBT. The APBT is what I am comparing the Tosa to.
@@APBT-Bandog It seems like it will be extremely hard to create what you’re trying to do. Game breed Bandog’s Because Of Mastiff’s not being “Game” if I’m correct. Thanks for the reply 🍻
@@PantherCrane that is correct. It is difficult. It takes a lot of study, work, time, selection, & money.
that was official no doubt. i feel the same way about the apbt as he, they're too friendly with everybody unlike the ones from the early days that were man bitters. I like my dogs to be tolerant of people not too friendly... good show bro 👊😎💯💯💯
I'd pay millions of dollars to get the man from California Catchers and Lee Robinson together for a video series.
Couldn’t agree more
Love the video. Interesting. Learn a lot. Love the APBT even more. A product a strong selection. Same as sled dogs or greyhounds.
Thanks for watching!
Exactly
This one is gonna be a banger !
Yeah it is!!
Lee Robinson is in a class by himself.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 funniest thing seen all day.. based off of what??? Words and lies??? 😂 dude is a fukking joke. Misfits has the best consistent banddogs in the US
Your absolutely right.
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@@MrTtony21 seems like you have a personal problem with Lee Robinson. I am a student, as my RUclips name says plainly. I don't claim to know it all but I have enough experience in the dog world and more importantly, the working dog world to know that the breeding practices Lee is explaining makes sense plain and simple and from what I can see he is on the way to creating the closest thing to a "game" bandog that I have come across so far. Hopefully this comment will keep you in stitches as well as my last one did.
@@MrTtony21 he should say class of peddlers
Student for Life Dog Training explain the regrip in these videos and others he’s posted on Facebook. Better yet have him show you his blocked list or get on any hog dog page and just type his name and see what they have to say. Smart man but a trash human who will flat lie to you
Richard straton believes the apbt specifically the gamebred apbt is the original bulldog no crosses . The gamebred apbt is a breed onto itself... some historians believe the apbt maybe a century old not 150 years.
Yes, he does believe that. I respect him, but I disagree...as I believe it is a terrier cross, as stated in this video...for a few reasons, I know some old dogmen that when they were young dogmen they were elbow to elbow to old dogmen of their time, and they were taught that, plus the Bull-n-Terrier references, plus there are registered dogs that were less than 20#.
@@APBT-Bandog I agree with Mr straton just on gamedogs my research has led my to only amstaff and ukc dogs being crossed for show type dogs just my opinion. If you do some research on the old southern bulldogs the dogs that went south right of the ship with immigrants to work farms etc that will lead you to bulldogs hence why southerners called apbt bulldogs.
The fondation dogs for most of all the game lines always leads back to big dogs 65 plus lbs now if there were being crossed they would've been much smaller dogs. The crossing started with the akc and ukc show dogs .
@@PrDeathProof85 Umm...wrong. No offense, but like I said, there were countless dogs from 1870-1920's that were under 20#.
@@APBT-Bandog that were ukc registered and akc registered am staffs, staffy bulls . we're talking game dogs not show dogs and yes there are game lines that are show lines conformation lines etc.
This is a timeless debate we are not the first or last people who will disagree on this topic.
I Just want to point out that i dont completely disagree with you. I think some lines were deffenely crossed like Sorona .
@@APBT-Bandog colbys pincher was a 75 lbs. baileys bingo 70lbs. waccamaws big john 75 lbs . Tants cody cw 80 amd gr ch mayday 75 lbs these are heavy weights the list goes on im talking fast lane dogs not show type dogs and lines .
Dogs didn't seem so loyal trying to snatch on the owners pants legs lol..you can't train a dog to attack people and think they want resort back to that when they have been mostly trained for that..this guy got some good knowledge no doubt .but training them to hit people isn't the way..if u are using them for game hunting..# Texas Scratch King 👑
I kno the Staffordshire bull cant have blue or red nosed but do amstaff come in red&blue nosed? Or is that just APBT?
No Amstaffs have to have a black nose.
Dudley terrier was a strain of staffordshire bull terrier that had a rednose.
I just had 12 FILA X AMERICAN BULLDOG
Email some pics bro.
@@BattleBredKoncepts to what email address
@@jobdone9719 battlebredk9s@gmail.com
Thanks for the information brutha
Thanks for watching bro! Tune into part 2!
@@BattleBredKoncepts Are you going to interview BGK kennels anytime soon? The guy seems approachable.
@@voltrondefenderoftheuniver8658 its possible.
None of my APBT were good guard dogs... All my pits LOVED people and would probably help a burglar carry out our valuables.... But God help them if they attacked our family... That being said I've NEVER used my dogs as guardor protection dogs, that's my job and I can guarantee you, me and my equipment are much more effective then any dog, to protect my home and family.
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In Colby’s book of the APBT on page 12, he says as follows:
“Yet the breed most commonly associated with the British Isles, and indeed the breed that has come to symbolize British (and Irish) courage, pride and love of a good scrap is the fighting bulldog known today as the American Pit Bull Terrier.
Colby was not crossing his game stock to terriers
Doesn't matter if colby was crossing them with terriers. They had already been crossed by who he got them from. It was the English who crossed the bulldog with a terrier to create the bull terrier type dogs. Pitbulls are indetical to the patterdale terriers in behavior
You can't make a dog game bred it has to be born gamebred you can breed game bred dogs and hope that something game comes out but it's not a such thing as making a dog game bred
Damn right. No such .
A purebred Cane Corso is a lot better
No way not even close
@@greatbritt8748 what breeds are use to make a banddog I'm confused some look exactly like a cane Corso
Now let’s understand one thing it’s possible to breed game dogs. The American Bulldog on the “ painter blood line” is living proof the problem is getting one of that strain. The Johnson blood is different ( he added Saint Bernard) the other proof is when you make Presa pit Bull mastiff Neo however the problem is getting the same results ( offspring) can be difficult. Remember it took them 25, years to make Dogo Argentinian just to give you a better idea. There’s great dogs around the world were people still use them as baiting dogs those dogs would be of great selection if you could get them. Some dogs are late bloomers so sometimes people think they have a useless dog and many dogs have been ruined.
There is no such animal as a gamebred bandogs that’s laughable 😂😂😂😂….this dude don’t even know what gamebred means, set them in the box and see if they scratch, they won’t , facts not opinion. Working a sleeve is not proving nothing.
If they are proven game in the [] then they are game bred. If they are just hitting a sleeve or hog they are not game, anyway you try to swing it to convince yourself or others.
LETS GET IT !!!!
What about the mini bull Terrier? Is it a bulldog? I kno my English Staffordshire bull is
It's a terrier
Life Is Spiritual
Just buy a Kangal that has already been bred to perfection. It will destroy any dog in the world and the only two dogs that can come close are the Alabai and Ovcharka.
Kangals are bred to protect livestock not people. Normal people even people that own bandogs don't need Lgd's if they can't/won't be able to fulfill their needs. Kangals will not destroy any dog in the world
@@user99_624 You are very ignorant of Kangal breeds. There are 4 Turkish Kangal breeds in the 6 regions of Turkey, all with unique characteristics.
Kangal's (Especially the Sivas Kangal) are the fastest by far, large dog breed. Not even close, undebatable, it's a fact. Anyone that disagrees is either dumb or lying.
Kangal's bite harder than any dog breed in the world. Again, not debatable, its a fact.
Kangal's are some of the most powerful and largest dog breeds in the world. And to go with that, is a lot of stanima. Oftentimes people mistake Malakai, Alabai, Boz and many others that look a lot like Kangals but they are NOT kangals.
Name another dog close in size to a kangal that runs almost as fast, almost bites as hard and can run for miles and miles and miles chasing wolves and some of the largest bore in the world?
You can't.
Bottom line, there isn't another dog breed in the world as perfectly breed as a Sivas Kangal. Maybe its speed has something to do with the fact that it has Greyhound in its breeding lineage.
You know nothing.
Kengal isn't game. They are bred for size to scare but they can't actually fight and they gas out quickly
Game is reserved only for real pitbulls put one in the box with a real one and see what happens shit look good for 5 10 15 min and high tail those of you if you had no experience fuck what you heard
Staffordshire bull terriers were in the pit way before the apbt was even created as was the bull terrier and bull and terrier. Gameness is a working terrier trait. It's not just apbt that's game. Apbt was the last game dog to be created
Well I'm not puting up real cash or entertaining no staff match you can say what u want ask your self would u b puting up 25 k 50 k 100 k on no staff .
@user-qo3ft6uq3x staff created the apbt. America just stole a english dog and made it longer legged
@@user-qo3ft6uq3x apbt came from the staff. No staff = no pitbull. Staff was game before the apbt even existed
Real Dogman
I have heard the theory of the original bulldog
But trust me some of the APBT lines of today have some other buu& terrier blood in them way back ,there was a dog around 1900 in Boston that was a game piitdog in itself the father off the Boston terrier ,old round head ,There was some bull terrier I. There ,some had more terrier or more bulldog ,there was some,Oh well enough ,If there is away I could reach out to America sentinel
There's at least one amstaff line thatstill put in work.
Add some Fila Brasilero for that loyalty
U cant train DETERMINATION🎁
Damn right ✅
U ain't lyin!
Am staff is a pitbull smfh wat change is the title just like the argument over the Boston terrier its was known as a bull terrier because of argument it was change to Boston bull terrier because the ppl wasn't satisfied that's how they got the name to ofn n Colby dogs go under staff now some still game dogs bandogs ain't nothing but multiple dogs in 1 mutts I seen a ped on sentinel dogs along time ago only dogs I pointed out was Sorrell dogs the others I didn't but for dam show Sorrell in them peds