I have both the Mini and Alpha and I love them both. My Mini is now sleeping as a back-up, praying nothing ever happens to my Alpha. They are both amazing and I recommend them both. He is spot on in this review. The Alpha is known as the end-game base from the majority of the community, the ultimate being if you are looking into more immersion. But if you are into the competition, the Alpha is enough. The Mini is perfect and no slouch. Hope this helps.
Hey Jack, love this video and also all of your many recent videos. What I’m mostly interested in is the granular detail on a high force wheel vs a lower force wheel as I hear running the same force on each the higher force will have better fidelity. I have a mini myself and currently couldn’t imagine needing more torque but am a fiend for more detail and performance, if it means I need to buy the ultimate but dial it back to lower force I would :). Love your videos man don’t stop.
Hey Luke messages like this gas me, Thanks for taking the time to write such a lovely message! and secondly, I've a video releasing in less than 30 mins about my first impressions with the ultimate, so follow the journey and we'll both see if it gives an improvement :)
My progression was Logitech G920 -> Fanatec CSL DD (8Nm) -> Simagic Alpha. Each one an improvement on the previous once dialled in to suit snd I honestly can't imagine anyone needing more than the Alpha (as opposed to wanting). Officially it's 15Nm but tests have shown it output 18.5Nm peak torque - more than enough power and detail.
As a casual racer (IR 2.6K) who is “ahem” a bit older, I’ve just ordered the Alpha mini, upgrading from Clubsport V2.5. I know I could have got an Alpha for £200 more but I’m retired now so don’t have unlimited funds. Got to work to a budget.
Got the MOZA R12 a month ago and now going for the simagix alpha… kicking myself I wasted money but doing because I learned a lot since I bought it and seeking a base for the long term with high quality.
@ to be honest a worry about investing in a inferior product for the longer term given all the reviews and feedback online for the simagic being more detailed and realistic. I am going by what I am reading only so maybe silly but a worry that the longer I wait the more I will waste money. Also the simagic alpha has a really good discount right now.
Was planning to get one of these, possibly as a step-up for 2-3 years to a Simucube or Alpha U, but remembering how my T300 used to feel like it was trying to kill me, and now I'm used to it feels like a kitten gently trying to escape a cuddle is making me wonder if I should just save a bit longer and go for the standard mummy-bear Alpha.
Got the Alpha U myself as well and simply love it. Got also the P1000 inverted with shakers and hydraulic kit. Also love them to bits. The strength in the Simagic software goes all up with me and I turn down or up the strength in iRacing. Each car feels different actually…. A lot…. It is some very good stuff and can recommended it as well. The base is dang heavy in weight though lol
I’m stuck in the research mode, I’ve been looking to upgrade from my DD+ and get out of the Fanatec ecosystem. Im stuck between Asetek and Simagic but I’m going the full 23 or 28 nm. 100% I’m buying once and crying once on this round. I wasn’t sure if I was going to get into sim racing and didn’t go all out on the first base. I’m hooked now though.
@underSTATEDexcellence oh best of luck buddy! Only you know what will fit you best, I'd have a look at some black Friday deals though cus there are some mad deals ATM!
If you have the opportunity to try, see if you can test one. I personally think you will be shocked how powerful even just the 15nm Alpha is. It's wrist spraining powerful if you get caught up in a big tank slapper at full power.
I do have a question about the holding torque. Is it 10nm holding torque? I read somewhere that it could go all the way up to 13. Simagic never confirmed this but they confirmed that they didnt cut the power on the alpha mini. I guess ill get my answer about clipping when i first go through eau rouge. But that thought havnt left me alone.
i ordered my alpha mini two days ago. I had a moza r9 before and i wasnt happy with the ffb as it felt kinda muddy. The 9nm on the moza was a bit low, well it was quite good but at high speed corners it could clip. I hope i'll stay happy with the alpha mini for atleast 1 - 1,5 years. For me its better to lose 200-300 dollars in 1,5 years than paying it now due to how life is atm. Im quite excited. Got the alpha mini for 590 dollars (tax and everything included) and my GT neo arrived today. Im super happy with the quality compared to moza wheels.
@@vertachi8066 i paid about 200 dollar, so id have to pay about 250 dollars extra för thr alpha. For me today that is too much money. Id probably thing the mini is enough for a year. When i get the alpa ill sell the mini and that 250 dollar difference will be ok :)
I'm currently using the Fanatec GT DD Pro (on the PS5) that I bought last year during those Black Friday sales which after waiting more than a month for it and not receiving it on time made me put an order for the Logitech G Pro which I received in less than two weeks. I plan on getting the middle Simagic Alpha after I build a PC next year but wonder what are the screws size and type that these wheel base from Simagic use. I'm using a Sim-Lab TR1 and don't plan on switching to anything else since I like how it looks (the TR8 Pro looks nice too) compared to the rest of sim racing cockpits that I've seen.
I originally had a simagic alpha mini, fx pro, and p2000 pedals. I still have the pedals, but grew out of the wheel base and wanted more. Went to a simucube 2 pro, and use gsi wheels. The fx pro, I did find that the handles were very loose. Felt like they were gonna snap, I did get a replacement plate that has the grips attached, but sold the wheel when I got rid of the base. The alpha mini I had no issues with, just craved more. The pedals I still use, but have had the hydraulics on the brake replaced since they leaked and have had to replace the throttle as well for leaking. Great pedals but with the issues I’ve had I’d recommend just getting p1000 pedals. I will say replacements from simagic were great, but now I am out of warranty which is concerning.
I believe that using a linear encoder like the one in the simucube would help me become faster, allowing almost simultaneous input of my steering actions into the game. However, the simucube is quite expensive. When I was recently looking for a substitute for the simucube, I came across the conspit ares, which also uses a linear encoder.
My simagic alpha has just started to feel a bit strange and it's making a bit of a weird noise, I've noticed it get quite hot a few times but today I feel like it's changed... the noise and notchy feeling quietens down when I put the smoothnes filter high but I can still feel it
Hey, I was looking at the setup and I couldn't figure out how you have it mounted. It looks to be the base plate, but I wanted to be sure, I just didn't know if bolting on the bottom was reliable enough to save getting a rig with the front or side mounting options
I want to upgrade to the Alpha Ultimate but I haven’t had the mini long enough (9 months and going) and I feel like I’m not getting my moneys worth out of it 😭
@@JACKZERYT not to mention I’d need a more sturdier chassis for the Alpha Ultimate. My ASR1 from advanced sim racing has been serving me well with P1000’s and Alpha mini. Maybe I’ll wait a bit longer
Hi guys, my dilemma is that i want a DD base that i can put on my NLR wheelstand 2.0 (max would be around 12nm or 15nm). Im pretty strong but never drove with a DD before. What base did i buy the alpha or the alpha mini? Also what do you think about their software?
Great video... Just a question, what is the best way to lower and raise ffb? Is it better to leave max torque (10) and then just adjust the ffb from there or do the opposite? What do you do? Thanks 🙏
So I'm trying to decide between the Mini and the Alpha. I want the Alpha, but it's a 2 month wait (Canada) The Mini would ship out next week Is it worth waiting 2 months through winter when I'd like to be sim racing most? On a T300 right now.
Ohhh Chris mi amigo, that there is a loaded question.... But the answer is simple (for me) Wait. Please god wait. a 2 month wait, to remove any doubt over the next 2, 3 , 4 5 years, is absolutley worth it! In my eyes. No fluff, thats my final answer lol.
lol yea we've got a couple of months lead time on them. I'm thinking of ordering the Alpha from SimRacingPros in BC. Better to be patient and not have to upgrade again in 6months!
I loved loves 8 to 12nm wheelbases. But now that ive went over to 20+nm wheelbases i cant go back. Just the headroom, dynamic range and the way the details come through the loading and unloading its just so incredible. Dd wheelbases really really do benefit from strong motors. Is it a must? No is it a perk? Yes. Enjoy what you get for sure but some dont think its worth getting high nm wheelbases they go ill never use it! Well guess what Indont either lol i legit use 12nm to 14nm max but even when you use a 23nm or 25nm wheelbase at 8 to 10nm it feels stronger then a 10nm wheelbase does. Just how it works it kicks harder and details are just more potent. So yeah its not really about turning it all the way up. Just a heada up for people buying. Again this isnt me saying go get one! Its just saying there are perks to it. Many who own lower nm wheelbases dont get it and they will tell you omg idk how you would use more. Well its not about using more you could use it the same and still get benefits. But then you have people like will who does reviews but hes always lowrring the nm in the software which shouldnt be done. It should be all the way up in the software and reduced in game so you get the full benefits. So to him yeah some wheelbases will feel similiar set to the same nm but again with higher nm wheelbases its always reccomended to use it maxed in software and llwered in game. Its just much more potent with details and the way it reacts. If you instead lower it in software you are limiting the dyanmic range. Example: wheelbase set to 10nm in software on a 20nm wheelbase then maxed out in game. Will not get the benefits or the potency or the dynamic range you get setting to 20nm in software and then using it st even 40 or 50% in game. That will feel much better and feel much more of that range it has. Simailiar strength to the other setting but everything else is more potent. So it also cones down to settings and how you use it. If you limit its max potential it will feel similiar if you dont you will feel what its offering. Great video as always!
Im surprised you said its expensive, bang for your buck its one of the best is my understanding, cheaper than Fanatec, cheaper than Logitech etc. with top quality performance. I have a bit of a dilemma, black friday sale or wait for the new generation of wheel bases next year. It seems like you're not waiting around since you'll get the Alpha. Is your assessment that the next generation 2025 gear is unlikely to be a game changer? Thats my assumption but who knows. Plus it might not be worth the price differnce for the new stuff when you can pay less for a product has almost just as good force feedback from this current generation.
That Im not sure about, Will the new simagic wheelbases be awesome, I say so! Are the bases now awesome, yes, they are, so if you do get a base now, Im sure your head wont be turning any time soon!
I have both the Mini and Alpha and I love them both. My Mini is now sleeping as a back-up, praying nothing ever happens to my Alpha. They are both amazing and I recommend them both. He is spot on in this review. The Alpha is known as the end-game base from the majority of the community, the ultimate being if you are looking into more immersion. But if you are into the competition, the Alpha is enough. The Mini is perfect and no slouch. Hope this helps.
@@Christian_rose18 Well put!
@ thank you! 🙏
I bought the Alpha based on YOUR videos. Thing is perfection. Every time I see that red quick release on someone’s video I get a little smile
I also recently bought the alpha mini for the same reason. Jack is a racer I trust.
Hey Jack, love this video and also all of your many recent videos. What I’m mostly interested in is the granular detail on a high force wheel vs a lower force wheel as I hear running the same force on each the higher force will have better fidelity. I have a mini myself and currently couldn’t imagine needing more torque but am a fiend for more detail and performance, if it means I need to buy the ultimate but dial it back to lower force I would :). Love your videos man don’t stop.
Hey Luke messages like this gas me,
Thanks for taking the time to write such a lovely message! and secondly, I've a video releasing in less than 30 mins about my first impressions with the ultimate, so follow the journey and we'll both see if it gives an improvement :)
My progression was Logitech G920 -> Fanatec CSL DD (8Nm) -> Simagic Alpha.
Each one an improvement on the previous once dialled in to suit snd I honestly can't imagine anyone needing more than the Alpha (as opposed to wanting).
Officially it's 15Nm but tests have shown it output 18.5Nm peak torque - more than enough power and detail.
Same but CSL DD (5nm) to very probably because of these sales, Simagic Alpha mini
As a casual racer (IR 2.6K) who is “ahem” a bit older, I’ve just ordered the Alpha mini, upgrading from Clubsport V2.5. I know I could have got an Alpha for £200 more but I’m retired now so don’t have unlimited funds. Got to work to a budget.
Got the MOZA R12 a month ago and now going for the simagix alpha… kicking myself I wasted money but doing because I learned a lot since I bought it and seeking a base for the long term with high quality.
@nexus888 Can I ask what about the R12 made you reconsider within the month?, From what I've heard it's meant to be decent enough.
@ to be honest a worry about investing in a inferior product for the longer term given all the reviews and feedback online for the simagic being more detailed and realistic. I am going by what I am reading only so maybe silly but a worry that the longer I wait the more I will waste money. Also the simagic alpha has a really good discount right now.
@@nexus888 would like to know your thoughts after using the alpha for another month
Yes now that you have swapped to alpha mini, how is it compared to r12?
Great video again mate - for my budget I can squeeze in an Alpha and a GT Neo. Quite excited about getting it all, kit looks solid
What's the deal with simshop or simagic website it's not accepting my bank card.
Was planning to get one of these, possibly as a step-up for 2-3 years to a Simucube or Alpha U, but remembering how my T300 used to feel like it was trying to kill me, and now I'm used to it feels like a kitten gently trying to escape a cuddle is making me wonder if I should just save a bit longer and go for the standard mummy-bear Alpha.
Got the Alpha U myself as well and simply love it. Got also the P1000 inverted with shakers and hydraulic kit. Also love them to bits. The strength in the Simagic software goes all up with me and I turn down or up the strength in iRacing. Each car feels different actually…. A lot…. It is some very good stuff and can recommended it as well. The base is dang heavy in weight though lol
I went ALPHA with the GTNEO, and run it at 100%. And I am happy. Not a daily racer though. But I like what I have on my rig
I’m stuck in the research mode, I’ve been looking to upgrade from my DD+ and get out of the Fanatec ecosystem. Im stuck between Asetek and Simagic but I’m going the full 23 or 28 nm. 100% I’m buying once and crying once on this round. I wasn’t sure if I was going to get into sim racing and didn’t go all out on the first base. I’m hooked now though.
@underSTATEDexcellence oh best of luck buddy! Only you know what will fit you best, I'd have a look at some black Friday deals though cus there are some mad deals ATM!
I’m at a similar spot as you . Looking at either Asetek forte or Simagic Alpha, coming from Fanatec CSL DD…
@@JACKZERYT Yeah they have a crazy deal on the Alpha U with the FX Pro for $1300 USD….. research time is over.
If you have the opportunity to try, see if you can test one. I personally think you will be shocked how powerful even just the 15nm Alpha is. It's wrist spraining powerful if you get caught up in a big tank slapper at full power.
I do have a question about the holding torque. Is it 10nm holding torque? I read somewhere that it could go all the way up to 13. Simagic never confirmed this but they confirmed that they didnt cut the power on the alpha mini. I guess ill get my answer about clipping when i first go through eau rouge. But that thought havnt left me alone.
i ordered my alpha mini two days ago. I had a moza r9 before and i wasnt happy with the ffb as it felt kinda muddy. The 9nm on the moza was a bit low, well it was quite good but at high speed corners it could clip. I hope i'll stay happy with the alpha mini for atleast 1 - 1,5 years. For me its better to lose 200-300 dollars in 1,5 years than paying it now due to how life is atm. Im quite excited. Got the alpha mini for 590 dollars (tax and everything included) and my GT neo arrived today. Im super happy with the quality compared to moza wheels.
the most important thing for me is the detail of the feedback. I want it as realistic as possible.
Would it not be better to get alpha as mini is only 1nm extra
@@vertachi8066 i paid about 200 dollar, so id have to pay about 250 dollars extra för thr alpha. For me today that is too much money. Id probably thing the mini is enough for a year. When i get the alpa ill sell the mini and that 250 dollar difference will be ok :)
Literally waiting on mine to arrive Wednesday. I currently run a CSL elite as well.
@@BittenByThePartyAnimal wow,!!! Let me know how it is!!!
I'm currently using the Fanatec GT DD Pro (on the PS5) that I bought last year during those Black Friday sales which after waiting more than a month for it and not receiving it on time made me put an order for the Logitech G Pro which I received in less than two weeks. I plan on getting the middle Simagic Alpha after I build a PC next year but wonder what are the screws size and type that these wheel base from Simagic use. I'm using a Sim-Lab TR1 and don't plan on switching to anything else since I like how it looks (the TR8 Pro looks nice too) compared to the rest of sim racing cockpits that I've seen.
I originally had a simagic alpha mini, fx pro, and p2000 pedals. I still have the pedals, but grew out of the wheel base and wanted more. Went to a simucube 2 pro, and use gsi wheels. The fx pro, I did find that the handles were very loose. Felt like they were gonna snap, I did get a replacement plate that has the grips attached, but sold the wheel when I got rid of the base. The alpha mini I had no issues with, just craved more. The pedals I still use, but have had the hydraulics on the brake replaced since they leaked and have had to replace the throttle as well for leaking. Great pedals but with the issues I’ve had I’d recommend just getting p1000 pedals. I will say replacements from simagic were great, but now I am out of warranty which is concerning.
I believe that using a linear encoder like the one in the simucube would help me become faster, allowing almost simultaneous input of my steering actions into the game. However, the simucube is quite expensive. When I was recently looking for a substitute for the simucube, I came across the conspit ares, which also uses a linear encoder.
My simagic alpha has just started to feel a bit strange and it's making a bit of a weird noise, I've noticed it get quite hot a few times but today I feel like it's changed... the noise and notchy feeling quietens down when I put the smoothnes filter high but I can still feel it
love my alpha u, and now thanks to the BF deal of 30% off 3 people in my community made the COMPLETE switch to simagic.
@@blacknovella that's sick!
Hey, I was looking at the setup and I couldn't figure out how you have it mounted. It looks to be the base plate, but I wanted to be sure, I just didn't know if bolting on the bottom was reliable enough to save getting a rig with the front or side mounting options
I want to upgrade to the Alpha Ultimate but I haven’t had the mini long enough (9 months and going) and I feel like I’m not getting my moneys worth out of it 😭
@louiienation8497 ah there's alot more to enjoy with that base!! It's such a beast!
@@JACKZERYT not to mention I’d need a more sturdier chassis for the Alpha Ultimate. My ASR1 from advanced sim racing has been serving me well with P1000’s and Alpha mini. Maybe I’ll wait a bit longer
Alpha mini V1? Sounds like the V3 has lower peak torque based on reddit posts etc.
Switching to simagic was the best decision
Hi guys, my dilemma is that i want a DD base that i can put on my NLR wheelstand 2.0 (max would be around 12nm or 15nm). Im pretty strong but never drove with a DD before. What base did i buy the alpha or the alpha mini? Also what do you think about their software?
Great video...
Just a question, what is the best way to lower and raise ffb?
Is it better to leave max torque (10) and then just adjust the ffb from there or do the opposite?
What do you do?
Thanks 🙏
I've been told to leave your software at 100% and adjust it in game settings.
@@king_0_frod But in the software there's 2 types of ffb changing I think. One is the overall strength and another is something like Nm strength
So I'm trying to decide between the Mini and the Alpha.
I want the Alpha, but it's a 2 month wait (Canada)
The Mini would ship out next week
Is it worth waiting 2 months through winter when I'd like to be sim racing most?
On a T300 right now.
Ohhh Chris mi amigo, that there is a loaded question.... But the answer is simple (for me)
Wait. Please god wait. a 2 month wait, to remove any doubt over the next 2, 3 , 4 5 years, is absolutley worth it! In my eyes. No fluff, thats my final answer lol.
lol yea we've got a couple of months lead time on them. I'm thinking of ordering the Alpha from SimRacingPros in BC. Better to be patient and not have to upgrade again in 6months!
@@JACKZERYT Well the Alpha is ordered! I can't thank you enough for the response! Love the content dude!
I loved loves 8 to 12nm wheelbases. But now that ive went over to 20+nm wheelbases i cant go back. Just the headroom, dynamic range and the way the details come through the loading and unloading its just so incredible. Dd wheelbases really really do benefit from strong motors. Is it a must? No is it a perk? Yes. Enjoy what you get for sure but some dont think its worth getting high nm wheelbases they go ill never use it! Well guess what Indont either lol i legit use 12nm to 14nm max but even when you use a 23nm or 25nm wheelbase at 8 to 10nm it feels stronger then a 10nm wheelbase does. Just how it works it kicks harder and details are just more potent. So yeah its not really about turning it all the way up.
Just a heada up for people buying.
Again this isnt me saying go get one! Its just saying there are perks to it. Many who own lower nm wheelbases dont get it and they will tell you omg idk how you would use more. Well its not about using more you could use it the same and still get benefits.
But then you have people like will who does reviews but hes always lowrring the nm in the software which shouldnt be done. It should be all the way up in the software and reduced in game so you get the full benefits. So to him yeah some wheelbases will feel similiar set to the same nm but again with higher nm wheelbases its always reccomended to use it maxed in software and llwered in game. Its just much more potent with details and the way it reacts. If you instead lower it in software you are limiting the dyanmic range.
Example: wheelbase set to 10nm in software on a 20nm wheelbase then maxed out in game. Will not get the benefits or the potency or the dynamic range you get setting to 20nm in software and then using it st even 40 or 50% in game. That will feel much better and feel much more of that range it has. Simailiar strength to the other setting but everything else is more potent.
So it also cones down to settings and how you use it. If you limit its max potential it will feel similiar if you dont you will feel what its offering.
Great video as always!
Im surprised you said its expensive, bang for your buck its one of the best is my understanding, cheaper than Fanatec, cheaper than Logitech etc. with top quality performance.
I have a bit of a dilemma, black friday sale or wait for the new generation of wheel bases next year. It seems like you're not waiting around since you'll get the Alpha.
Is your assessment that the next generation 2025 gear is unlikely to be a game changer? Thats my assumption but who knows. Plus it might not be worth the price differnce for the new stuff when you can pay less for a product has almost just as good force feedback from this current generation.
That Im not sure about, Will the new simagic wheelbases be awesome, I say so!
Are the bases now awesome, yes, they are, so if you do get a base now, Im sure your head wont be turning any time soon!
@@JACKZERYT they may sell this generation at black friday prices when the new stuff is out if the new stuff isnt game changing, but who knows!
can i buy the mini lol jk i want one so bad im still on the t300 :( but i do have the p2000
Anyone knows if the g920 pedals work on the mini ?