How about the most simple fact. Even a player who is omnisciently aware of every spy tell and is coked up on every stimulant on the market, still has to take some time to recognize that a spy is a spy, and I'd consider time to be the spies core mechanic
@@Jontohil2 thanks, I'm a pretty noob spy that occasionally get random trickstabs that I didn't even mean to and most of the time rely on fooling the enemy in the first place. Also, justice to default spy, it's really the best way to practice playing the class.
@@giahuynguyenkim6389 stock is also my most used loadout, it’s just super reliable overall. And hey, accidental trickstabs help teach you about how the hitbox works.
After watching your last video, I tried to lean more into the acting side of disguises, and I was actually so shocked by how trusting people can be if you actually act like the class you're disguised as. Also I passed a psychology course so that just makes me a really good spy player obviously.
"You can ask your team to shoot you" Something better: say your team there is a spy as you, they would spycheck you. Edit: now that i think about it - this can be called triple acting.
For me, if I see a friendly spy disguised near the enemy, I will treat him like the rest of the enemy, just expecting it to either help his act, or get him caught.
This is what ive been saying for *years* The disguise kit is so underrated and I honestly wish they would fix some of the bugs with it like missing pyro heads and demo legs so it can be more consistent
favorite thing as spy is when you bump another spy on the ENEMY TEAM and you both just kinda go "That spy is an enemy!" "Yes." "Thank you." and then leave eachother to go do your thing
A tip for some disguises from a 6k spy main. 1. If you jump and double tap crouch near the height of your jump while disugised as a scout, you can fool even highlander teams from time to time making them think you'd double jumped. Spies can't double jump, so they will disregard you for a bit. 2. If a Soldier is wearing gunboats as their secondary... don't disguise as them as they are most likely a roamer. Of course if they aren't wearing the boots or a rocket jumper, feel free to use their disguise. When disguised as a soldier, make sure to reload your revolver when someone is looking at you to reload his rocket launcher, and do it about 2-3 times in succession to mimic an actual soldier reloading his rocket launcher. Since Solder has the most obvious reload in the game, people will disregard you if they didn't know you were a spy. 3. Not much to say about the pyro disguise, although if your waiting around a corner as a disguised pyro, keep your secondary or melee out. Your flamethrower will poke out a lot and give you away. 4. Demo has the same tip as soldier, obvious reloads that you can chain. Or Melee out demoknight yelling "spy!" 5. Heavy, if your low hp running towards a health pack even if facing the enemy team whiile doing so is fine. Or holding out a lunchbox item while enemies are wounded to catch the food item. Free amby headshot this way. If the heavy has GRU, use them if not in a spot where you'd be shooting. Finally, if the enemy team has a medic that is well protected and you don't think you can get a stab, but can get a disguise/uncloak fully. Disguise as a heavy, call medic, and run towards your team. Their team will ignore you since you didn't try to stab anyone, and their medic will often follow you into his death. Or if he has uber, he might uber you at which point try to act like an uber heavy would to lure the medic in deeper to his doom. He also just wasted uber on an enemy spy, so yeah, you made him feel like a huge clown. 6. Engineer, a good sell for an engineer disguise is to hold your wrench out, crouch, and look in a corner where most engies set stuff up. If you know setup spots for engineers this will fool basically everyone but people who spycheck religiously. Of course this requires mental imaging to know where the enemy is likely to go after they look away from you, but yeah. 7. Medic... not really too many tricks here. You do have a unique "ubercharge ready!" command though! 8. Sniper... Additionally occasionally 'reload' your sniper rifle. This will make it seem like you took a shot, which can fool other snipers in the sniper nest unless you know, its the sniper your disguised as. 9. Spy... Really not much to say about this one. Its actually your worst disguise unless you need a disguise while with your team but you aren't going to disguise as your own team. Reason? this subconsciously reminds players that spies exist, and will make them more weary of you. So NEVER use this disguise. Walking in a straight line scout is better for your gameplan than a disguise that instantly flares up paranoia. Additionally a few tips for disguising as team mates. At the start of the round, disguise as a friendly heavy to make the other team think you have more heavies than you do. Additionally disguising as a friendly scout while your running from spawn is often a good thing because you don't have a chance of being seen as a spy, and thus enemy paranoia wont be heightened. They wont think twice about a scout going a bit slow on the enemy team. Additionally Scout is the best disguise to use to do dead ringer fakes because.... well how often do scouts run into sentry guns and die? But aside from friendly scout or heavy or medic disguises (Medic is in the same category as heavy, OR as the scout disguise, its a decent middle ground.) you wont use friendly disguises that often. There is one additional use for the friendly medic disguise if your doing a dead ringer fake, and thats to take a rocket and fake your death while your medic isn't in sight of that team member. This will make them think they got the medic pick and saves your medic. They will also attempt to get closer to you than other classes to get said pick, so you might lure them into a trap to get destroyed while you dead ringer away.
Thanks! I’ve never really though of enemy spy disguises like that. I use the spy disguise so I can be with my team and enemy sentries won’t shoot me lol
I’ve actually found decent success disguising as spy when my team is making a big push and pretending to hide amongst them. Take that with a grain of salt though, I don’t really have much experience and that might not work on high-level players
I personally like to disguise as a hoovy and just pretend to be friendly, you would not believe how often I get away with a stab because the enemy team saw me crouching and holding out my "fists"
Pretending to be the hoovy who is in the same team as you (while disguised) only to stab them in the back is way too evil imo. I prefer using that tactic when I want to be pretend the be a friendly hoovy or a disguised observer :D
@@Tony-bo3rw it may be evil, but its not practical. You are slow, especially when trying to act like hoovy and crouching, and you are at risk of someone accidentally killing you, since you have less hp then heavy. And it only works once or twice if at all.
@@O5MO I agree, if my goal was to get some frags I'd rather disguise as a different class. I personally dont like the speed reduction but there's still players out there that can do a better job than me getting backstabs while pretending to be heavies or hoovys
I like to imagine that the Spy disguises are like Ditto from Pokémon. They all rely on the Spy’s memory of that merc, so when he gets confused, you get a Pyro with no head, or an Engie with a knife.
A funny little quirk you can do is while performing the A-pose glitch is to swap to the disguise kit and use the engineer or spy disguise and press b. Because the last held weapon is now null and void, the disguise kit will stay in your hand without automatically switching when pressing any of the numbers, and because of this quirk, you can equip the construction pda or the disguise kit on your disguise (to swap out of the disguise kit, type "build 3 0" in the console). It's EXTREMELY situational, since it has a long setup period, and it comes at the cost of either your instakill tool or your reliable backup tool.
When im bored i sometimes just diguise as an engineer, i find a dispenser and pull out my wrench and pretend im doing something. Ppl will just walk past me most of the time. I go for the kill if i feel like it but i mostly vibe with ppl who came for healing.
I do like the idea of more ways to be useful by disguising as your own teammates. Like being a body double/Decoy for a Medic or important player or diverting player's attention from the actual player your posing as. Or scaring away snipers away by disguising as a sniper when paired with a friendly sniper. Especially works well with Dead ringer. Another thing is Never disguise as a class in which the enemy team doesn't have. like Disguising as an engineer when the enemy team only has 3 soldiers, 1 medic, 2 snipers and 1 scout etc. Cause no cosmetics and people are going to catch on via just pressing tab and checking the class icons. Unless there is a use for it?
Dont disguise as support class when enemy doesnt have them. If you disguise as an engineer, people would notice. If you disguise as a demoman, they probably wont know youre a spy just because of that.
I'm extremely new in general and haven't yet developed the same gamesense a veteran would have, so disguises with few to no cosmetics actually may work better for players like me who are just getting into things. Plus, duplicate usernames are harder to notice than duplicate playermodels.
@@colonelrockrits9436Almost nobody double checks which classes are on their team unless they're already really paranoid about Spies, so if you're a good actor (which isn't too hard if you're disguised as a f2p friendly heavy) then you'll likely slip under the radar
had a couple good games the other day, largely from your advice. the other (even more important, but universal) component was movement/outmaneuvering... especially once you've been caught. ducking around any freestanding objects on PL maps or hopping over a railing like on Nucleus... you can get people to start moving one way and then find a tiny corridor where they won't check to cloak back the other direction to escape.
It'd be interesting to see a Spy tier list following this, including disguises, weapons and tropes like trickstabbing. Basically anything that a Spy would do and how effective it is in general
Back in the day i used to play a lot of spy while pubbing with my friend. That said, i did still play a lot with every other class, spy just was my most used one. So over the months i kept learning how each class ticks, and as a side effect got more proficient with spy in turn as i learned how i ought to act. Meanwhile i was teaching my buddy my way of thinking like a spy, and it became pretty much an arms race of skill as we each got more proficient in the game. Some times hed end up as a the opposing spy, sometimes id end up as the opposing spy. In the end we just accidentally kept training each other to become stealthier and more convincing when playing spy, and more aware when playing any other class. It came to the point where the one of us playing spy would be consistently able to completely dumpster the lobby except for the other one of us since we had trained each other to be so damn paranoid.
Personally I like to go friendly as spy and disguise as my own teams heavy so that whenever someone is nice back I can cloak and fade away like a ghost
I remember when I first played hitman (game of the year edition) and the whole idea of hiding in plain sight and disguising when people should be to only trick them. I definitely noticed a difference when I was playing spy. It's like a mindset thing, like watching to make sure no one sees you doing your things that would normally get you caught.
8:17 You can disguise yourself as someone from your own team. I only found one use for it. My team had a Hoovy so I disguised myself as him, watched him die a few times while cloaked until the enemy team ignored him most of the time and just sat in the corner where he used to be. Nodded at people a couple of times, said thanks, passed up a few free backstabs in order to blend in. After a backstab, I just went back and crouched. When our Hoovy arrived, I cloaked and went somewhere else. When they killed him, I went back to his place. There was one pissed off Demoman that really hated Hoovies, so when I saw he died, I cloaked before he respawned. Worked a couple of times until the enemy team caught on but it was really funny.
This entire channel should be the official definiton of underrated, like seriously these videos are high quality as sh*t and i think there are hundreds of other tf2ber channel that are underrated yet high quality that i am 100% sure will be getting the attention they deserve, and this channel is one of em. Great stuff jon, we believe in you😀 (Also i like to think that supporting these underrated channels are like investing in crypto, ask them for a shout out and in the future when they are all famous you'll be recognised by the underrated creator lmao)
The fact people say "DISGUISES DON'T FOOL GOOD PLAYERS" is proof it actually does. The intent of "fooling" is that it requires the enemy to think they are not being fooled.
You can use double acting on a stair stab too by heavily telegraphing what you are going for and jumping just short of top of them so they turn around to counter you and turn their back to you
a niche use I've had for disguising as your own team is to pop dead ringer, a spy dying quickly or just breaking his legs after falling 2 centimeters is an obvious feign but pedrominecraft2007 the F2P stock Pyro isn't exactly what the enemies will think of as a good player and they're honestly expected to just die without a fight, and dying whilst looking like a random enemy that was in no way a spy is a good way to get a convincing feign.
There was this recent moment that really got me. I was on defense at the beginning of the round. Some teammates and I managed to pin down a demo, soldier, and medic. My group and I took down the two power classes with relative ease, and I was going as a Pyro with the Dragon's Fury to land three fireballs on the medic for an important pick. Guess what happened next? The medic turned out to be a spy, which left me open for a quick ambush once I realized such. Clever spy...
This is easily my favorite kind of video. Of course the main videos are always so amazing, but any kind of post main video that's just a follow up/bunch of random stuff is so much more fun because it's so much more casual and well, follows up on a lot of the information
I cannot believe that the first spy featured in the video is named "Dubspol", which is a DEEP dig at the STAR_ and Jerma videos way back when. Holy shit. Great video boss. Editing is A1.
bro, i want to thank you for helping me trying to get good at spy. These tips with disguises, paranoia, and and cloak stuff really helped me. I'm a scout main trying to play spy as he is my least played class and I want to try and main him and see what happens. yesterday, I got a triple stab and these player genuinely believed that I was a sniper, engineer, demo, etc. Thank you bro.
1. I watch these video's 2. I get motivated 3. I bootup tf2 and play spy 4. I die to the enemy pyro 5. I close tf2 again 6. I watch a video again 7. Repeat
I'm trying so hard to get back into TF2 after a 3 year hiatus. Spy's always been my favorite class, and these videos have definitely made an improvement, tho most of the time I still screw it up. Love your content!
5:20 Please. Can we appreciate this move? It is not uncommon that in a closed space with a door, suddenly more than one enemy appears and, especially, if you are a Soldier. Going out with a Rocket Jump is risky, since they are close to the door and in the air you are an easy target to hit. Your "enemies" shoot at you in such a way that it seems that they miss or you manage to dodge them, and since you are an explosive class you can have area damage making the Medic believe not only that he saves you but that next to him they have a chance to face the " enemy" or escape taking at least one of them. All this with just a suitable costume and a voice command which would be perfect IF VALVE HAD NOT TAKEN THAT OPPORTUNITY FROM THE FREE TO PLAY. But at least there's still Double Acting
My favorite technique for escaping a bad situation as a spy when they know you're a spy. 1: Turn a corner. 2: Drop disguise. 3: Break out your disguise kit. 4: Become the spy crab. 5: Pray that the enemy team has mercy.
1:50 I genuinely fell for that disguise even fully knowing the context of the video lmao, I thought that the spy would be from somehwere else in the clip
Literally, the first spy that stabs you in a video is a reference to Jerma and Star and if that doesnt fit a video about shpee's IDK what will. Well done boss, banger video
I was once fooled by a spy pretending to be a sniper. He was legit doing nothing. Just acting like he was watching a corridor. I thought nothing of it until I got a knife in my back. Its all about the acting
Hey, just wanna say, i loved the first video about disguises, I mean the fact you went so deep as to see cosmetics and try to act like you had as much experience as someone with those cosmetics would was kinda funny, but also really interesting, and I kinda wanna see gameplay of that now lol
5:55 that actually happened to me several times on a 24-hour 2fort server. There was an engie that had set up in his team (BLUs) sewer, and i tried to take him out before, but i couldn't sap the sentry and then backstab him quicky enough, so i gave up, and then i just walked past when i was disguised, and he fell for it cuz i wasn't even trying to hurt him Edit for context: normally i main medic/pyro, but i went spy to try and annoy some snipers into switching
Question: if you "die" using dead ringer will your chats from you appear dead to the other team? Like DEAD (YOURNAME): DAMN IT I HATE PYROS Will that make your death more believable
a tip for any gun spies is that being disguised as a spy while in your teams backline or just around your team is less suspicious than being disguised as someting like a scout or a sniper
Kind of a cool thing that I'm not sure was talked about, scouts using the baby face blaster will move slower making it a bit easier for people to fall for you disguise
clicked on this video wanting to learn about spy. was hit in the face with PTSD from ultrakill... It has been over a year. I have just woken up. 10/10 amazing video i am way better now
Spy tf2 disguise funnies: - Disguise as an enemy sniper, look up, spin in circles and jump at a small barrier a lot. You can get the sniper kicked because the team will think they’re a stuck bot - Steal away uses of a teleporter by disguising as an engineer or heavy. Some people will recognize that you are more of a priority and step off the entrance so you can go on. - Pretend to be a pyro in water and take out your melee. People will follow you after seeing that you don’t have a neon annihilator thinking it’s a free kill. - Disguising as an enemy you’ve just killed is still viable and pretty strong if people are keeping track of their team, even without the YER. - Jump at an object that you need to crouch jump onto over and over with a disguise that looks clueless to attract players. - If you cam survive it, ask an enemy soldier for a whip with C + 1, run out of their range then trickstab them with the speed boost and get away safe. - Disguise as a stock flamethrower pyro and wait by a cliff THE ULTRAKILL! THE ULTRAKILL IS REAL!!
How about the most simple fact. Even a player who is omnisciently aware of every spy tell and is coked up on every stimulant on the market, still has to take some time to recognize that a spy is a spy, and I'd consider time to be the spies core mechanic
Hon hon hon
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“and I’d consider time to be the spies core mechanic”
Maybe that’s why all his invisibility devices are watches? 🤔
@@wiggle143that’s actually pretty neat to think about
@@wiggle143 D E E P L O R E
I have been applying this to my game lately and holy shit disguises do work. It just requires a lot of brain power to comprehend.
You’ll get used to it over-time and it’ll become second nature. 👍
@@Jontohil2 thanks, I'm a pretty noob spy that occasionally get random trickstabs that I didn't even mean to and most of the time rely on fooling the enemy in the first place.
Also, justice to default spy, it's really the best way to practice playing the class.
@@giahuynguyenkim6389 stock is also my most used loadout, it’s just super reliable overall. And hey, accidental trickstabs help teach you about how the hitbox works.
@@Jontohil2 I agree, but they are funny nonetheless when I get them.
People give disguses a bad rap but spys always loose their nerve and give the game away.
After watching your last video, I tried to lean more into the acting side of disguises, and I was actually so shocked by how trusting people can be if you actually act like the class you're disguised as.
Also I passed a psychology course so that just makes me a really good spy player obviously.
We are all very used to spys being pretty bad. They stick out so often a decent spy can really take advantage of the complacency
"You can ask your team to shoot you"
Something better: say your team there is a spy as you, they would spycheck you.
Edit: now that i think about it - this can be called triple acting.
I have not tried to do that so tske it with a grain of salt, but if someone manages to put it to good use, it would be cool.
"Spy Spy"
@@techwizsmith7963 spy among us
@@2EntireLegs This reminsd me of the tiny lego among us i have somewhere in my room. I dont know where i put it and every moment i fear for my life
For me, if I see a friendly spy disguised near the enemy, I will treat him like the rest of the enemy, just expecting it to either help his act, or get him caught.
This is what ive been saying for *years*
The disguise kit is so underrated and I honestly wish they would fix some of the bugs with it like missing pyro heads and demo legs so it can be more consistent
At the very least they fixed the shotgun issue.
ok but its funny to be a scout with the miniboolet
favorite thing as spy is when you bump another spy on the ENEMY TEAM and you both just kinda go
"That spy is an enemy!"
"Yes."
"Thank you."
and then leave eachother to go do your thing
Or start an epic amby/trickstab duel
A tip for some disguises from a 6k spy main.
1. If you jump and double tap crouch near the height of your jump while disugised as a scout, you can fool even highlander teams from time to time making them think you'd double jumped. Spies can't double jump, so they will disregard you for a bit.
2. If a Soldier is wearing gunboats as their secondary... don't disguise as them as they are most likely a roamer. Of course if they aren't wearing the boots or a rocket jumper, feel free to use their disguise. When disguised as a soldier, make sure to reload your revolver when someone is looking at you to reload his rocket launcher, and do it about 2-3 times in succession to mimic an actual soldier reloading his rocket launcher. Since Solder has the most obvious reload in the game, people will disregard you if they didn't know you were a spy.
3. Not much to say about the pyro disguise, although if your waiting around a corner as a disguised pyro, keep your secondary or melee out. Your flamethrower will poke out a lot and give you away.
4. Demo has the same tip as soldier, obvious reloads that you can chain. Or Melee out demoknight yelling "spy!"
5. Heavy, if your low hp running towards a health pack even if facing the enemy team whiile doing so is fine. Or holding out a lunchbox item while enemies are wounded to catch the food item. Free amby headshot this way. If the heavy has GRU, use them if not in a spot where you'd be shooting. Finally, if the enemy team has a medic that is well protected and you don't think you can get a stab, but can get a disguise/uncloak fully. Disguise as a heavy, call medic, and run towards your team. Their team will ignore you since you didn't try to stab anyone, and their medic will often follow you into his death. Or if he has uber, he might uber you at which point try to act like an uber heavy would to lure the medic in deeper to his doom. He also just wasted uber on an enemy spy, so yeah, you made him feel like a huge clown.
6. Engineer, a good sell for an engineer disguise is to hold your wrench out, crouch, and look in a corner where most engies set stuff up. If you know setup spots for engineers this will fool basically everyone but people who spycheck religiously. Of course this requires mental imaging to know where the enemy is likely to go after they look away from you, but yeah.
7. Medic... not really too many tricks here. You do have a unique "ubercharge ready!" command though!
8. Sniper... Additionally occasionally 'reload' your sniper rifle. This will make it seem like you took a shot, which can fool other snipers in the sniper nest unless you know, its the sniper your disguised as.
9. Spy... Really not much to say about this one. Its actually your worst disguise unless you need a disguise while with your team but you aren't going to disguise as your own team. Reason? this subconsciously reminds players that spies exist, and will make them more weary of you. So NEVER use this disguise. Walking in a straight line scout is better for your gameplan than a disguise that instantly flares up paranoia.
Additionally a few tips for disguising as team mates.
At the start of the round, disguise as a friendly heavy to make the other team think you have more heavies than you do. Additionally disguising as a friendly scout while your running from spawn is often a good thing because you don't have a chance of being seen as a spy, and thus enemy paranoia wont be heightened. They wont think twice about a scout going a bit slow on the enemy team. Additionally Scout is the best disguise to use to do dead ringer fakes because.... well how often do scouts run into sentry guns and die? But aside from friendly scout or heavy or medic disguises (Medic is in the same category as heavy, OR as the scout disguise, its a decent middle ground.) you wont use friendly disguises that often.
There is one additional use for the friendly medic disguise if your doing a dead ringer fake, and thats to take a rocket and fake your death while your medic isn't in sight of that team member. This will make them think they got the medic pick and saves your medic. They will also attempt to get closer to you than other classes to get said pick, so you might lure them into a trap to get destroyed while you dead ringer away.
Thanks! I’ve never really though of enemy spy disguises like that. I use the spy disguise so I can be with my team and enemy sentries won’t shoot me lol
I’ve actually found decent success disguising as spy when my team is making a big push and pretending to hide amongst them. Take that with a grain of salt though, I don’t really have much experience and that might not work on high-level players
Good advices, thank you for them!
I want to ask, how much time did you take to make this absolute wall of text.
Is there a tl:dr version?
2:39 don’t forget that he is also a pyro ON FIRE. I feel that would also be a giveaway unless there’s some religious gas passer used on the enemy team
5:52 "amda de ahda uhm ah just-a OOHOOHOHOHOHO STAB"
I personally like to disguise as a hoovy and just pretend to be friendly, you would not believe how often I get away with a stab because the enemy team saw me crouching and holding out my "fists"
Pretending to be the hoovy who is in the same team as you (while disguised) only to stab them in the back is way too evil imo.
I prefer using that tactic when I want to be pretend the be a friendly hoovy or a disguised observer :D
@@Tony-bo3rw it may be evil, but its not practical. You are slow, especially when trying to act like hoovy and crouching, and you are at risk of someone accidentally killing you, since you have less hp then heavy. And it only works once or twice if at all.
@@O5MO I agree, if my goal was to get some frags I'd rather disguise as a different class.
I personally dont like the speed reduction but there's still players out there that can do a better job than me getting backstabs while pretending to be heavies or hoovys
Lmao as a friendly, i see this as an absolute evil😂/j (dont feel offended pls i find this funny)
@@techmaster9841 no offense taken :)
I like to imagine that the Spy disguises are like Ditto from Pokémon. They all rely on the Spy’s memory of that merc, so when he gets confused, you get a Pyro with no head, or an Engie with a knife.
yo hes streaming so watch
@@normal_handle47 is he still streaming rn?
Thing is, how would Spy not have a head?
@@thealientree3821 he forgor
that’s a good hc actually I’m taking that, thank you
A funny little quirk you can do is while performing the A-pose glitch is to swap to the disguise kit and use the engineer or spy disguise and press b.
Because the last held weapon is now null and void, the disguise kit will stay in your hand without automatically switching when pressing any of the numbers, and because of this quirk, you can equip the construction pda or the disguise kit on your disguise (to swap out of the disguise kit, type "build 3 0" in the console).
It's EXTREMELY situational, since it has a long setup period, and it comes at the cost of either your instakill tool or your reliable backup tool.
Now that is tactical thinking
Imagine telegraphing a trickstab that you're not going to do to catch the enemy off gaurd and escape.
When im bored i sometimes just diguise as an engineer, i find a dispenser and pull out my wrench and pretend im doing something. Ppl will just walk past me most of the time. I go for the kill if i feel like it but i mostly vibe with ppl who came for healing.
"yup, that looks like engineering"
0:03 B U L L S H I T
Start to 0:30 You could fill an entire ship with these fools.
Ultrakill go *BRR*
This Prison to hold me?
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggoa visitor ? mmm indeed slept long enough
I do like the idea of more ways to be useful by disguising as your own teammates. Like being a body double/Decoy for a Medic or important player or diverting player's attention from the actual player your posing as. Or scaring away snipers away by disguising as a sniper when paired with a friendly sniper. Especially works well with Dead ringer.
Another thing is Never disguise as a class in which the enemy team doesn't have. like Disguising as an engineer when the enemy team only has 3 soldiers, 1 medic, 2 snipers and 1 scout etc. Cause no cosmetics and people are going to catch on via just pressing tab and checking the class icons. Unless there is a use for it?
there is a use, a-posing Heavy disguises
Dont disguise as support class when enemy doesnt have them. If you disguise as an engineer, people would notice. If you disguise as a demoman, they probably wont know youre a spy just because of that.
I'm extremely new in general and haven't yet developed the same gamesense a veteran would have, so disguises with few to no cosmetics actually may work better for players like me who are just getting into things. Plus, duplicate usernames are harder to notice than duplicate playermodels.
@@existingchannel6671 Huh...didnt know that. Not sure if that's true or unless they'll be too busy with the enemy to check things out.
@@colonelrockrits9436Almost nobody double checks which classes are on their team unless they're already really paranoid about Spies, so if you're a good actor (which isn't too hard if you're disguised as a f2p friendly heavy) then you'll likely slip under the radar
had a couple good games the other day, largely from your advice. the other (even more important, but universal) component was movement/outmaneuvering... especially once you've been caught. ducking around any freestanding objects on PL maps or hopping over a railing like on Nucleus... you can get people to start moving one way and then find a tiny corridor where they won't check to cloak back the other direction to escape.
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0:31 death odyssey, the V1 voice? Perfect
This man is now the uncle dane of spies, can't wait for the new JontoHill servers
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Spy class minimum of 3
@@gordonf5553there should be an option that if more than half the team agrees on a vote, everyone who voted yes just auto switches to spy
1:38 I love the way you visualized how we hyperfocus on things that are more important
2:30 not only that but he was on *FIRE*
And i wouldn't even realise it if you didn't mention it
It'd be interesting to see a Spy tier list following this, including disguises, weapons and tropes like trickstabbing. Basically anything that a Spy would do and how effective it is in general
Back in the day i used to play a lot of spy while pubbing with my friend. That said, i did still play a lot with every other class, spy just was my most used one. So over the months i kept learning how each class ticks, and as a side effect got more proficient with spy in turn as i learned how i ought to act. Meanwhile i was teaching my buddy my way of thinking like a spy, and it became pretty much an arms race of skill as we each got more proficient in the game. Some times hed end up as a the opposing spy, sometimes id end up as the opposing spy. In the end we just accidentally kept training each other to become stealthier and more convincing when playing spy, and more aware when playing any other class. It came to the point where the one of us playing spy would be consistently able to completely dumpster the lobby except for the other one of us since we had trained each other to be so damn paranoid.
All I can think of is the ultrakill references
Me vlogging my trip to London 0:51
Personally I like to go friendly as spy and disguise as my own teams heavy so that whenever someone is nice back I can cloak and fade away like a ghost
2:34 the reason why tf2 is my favourite is because of some of these panic moments with someone that after the panic both of you laugh
incredible followup video! i really like your style of editing. as always, great work :)
I remember when I first played hitman (game of the year edition) and the whole idea of hiding in plain sight and disguising when people should be to only trick them. I definitely noticed a difference when I was playing spy. It's like a mindset thing, like watching to make sure no one sees you doing your things that would normally get you caught.
8:17
You can disguise yourself as someone from your own team. I only found one use for it. My team had a Hoovy so I disguised myself as him, watched him die a few times while cloaked until the enemy team ignored him most of the time and just sat in the corner where he used to be.
Nodded at people a couple of times, said thanks, passed up a few free backstabs in order to blend in. After a backstab, I just went back and crouched. When our Hoovy arrived, I cloaked and went somewhere else. When they killed him, I went back to his place. There was one pissed off Demoman that really hated Hoovies, so when I saw he died, I cloaked before he respawned. Worked a couple of times until the enemy team caught on but it was really funny.
That was very much so implied in the episode. You didn't need to say this
This entire channel should be the official definiton of underrated, like seriously these videos are high quality as sh*t and i think there are hundreds of other tf2ber channel that are underrated yet high quality that i am 100% sure will be getting the attention they deserve, and this channel is one of em.
Great stuff jon, we believe in you😀
(Also i like to think that supporting these underrated channels are like investing in crypto, ask them for a shout out and in the future when they are all famous you'll be recognised by the underrated creator lmao)
The fact people say "DISGUISES DON'T FOOL GOOD PLAYERS" is proof it actually does. The intent of "fooling" is that it requires the enemy to think they are not being fooled.
subbed, thank you so much for highlighting how awesome disguises are!!!!!!!!!
Snipers are some of my favorite disguises because unless there’s a pyros checking, you can often just fool people.
Ultrakill reference heard. Subscribing.
3:47 you killed pootis
video: how to avoid enemies as spy
me: whatching to know how a good spy play to kill then
You can use double acting on a stair stab too by heavily telegraphing what you are going for and jumping just short of top of them so they turn around to counter you and turn their back to you
or, you know, just running after they stand still.
Fun Fact : SPY HAS A GUN
ooooh that outro sounds very spooky
I convinced an australium black box soldier to move in front of me while disguised as a heavy. Thank you Jontohil2.
a niche use I've had for disguising as your own team is to pop dead ringer, a spy dying quickly or just breaking his legs after falling 2 centimeters is an obvious feign but pedrominecraft2007 the F2P stock Pyro isn't exactly what the enemies will think of as a good player and they're honestly expected to just die without a fight, and dying whilst looking like a random enemy that was in no way a spy is a good way to get a convincing feign.
5:56 Bro just got a Neuron Activated 😂😂😂
2:30 oh i also think he was a spy because HE IS BURNING AS A PYRO
Wdym?
@@SpikesSTR Pyros are immune to afterburn
Holy crap, ur channel is a hidden gem. Amazing videos, been watching for a while!
There was this recent moment that really got me. I was on defense at the beginning of the round. Some teammates and I managed to pin down a demo, soldier, and medic. My group and I took down the two power classes with relative ease, and I was going as a Pyro with the Dragon's Fury to land three fireballs on the medic for an important pick.
Guess what happened next?
The medic turned out to be a spy, which left me open for a quick ambush once I realized such. Clever spy...
This is easily my favorite kind of video. Of course the main videos are always so amazing, but any kind of post main video that's just a follow up/bunch of random stuff is so much more fun because it's so much more casual and well, follows up on a lot of the information
3:43 killed me irl bro that was so funny
I appreciate the TFtubers that still educate people on the game, watching this video reminded me of when I first started playing Spy.
love the ultrakill intro also great video very motivated to play spy now!
I cannot believe that the first spy featured in the video is named "Dubspol", which is a DEEP dig at the STAR_ and Jerma videos way back when. Holy shit.
Great video boss. Editing is A1.
HOLY SHIT ULTRAKILL MUSIC
bro, i want to thank you for helping me trying to get good at spy. These tips with disguises, paranoia, and and cloak stuff really helped me.
I'm a scout main trying to play spy as he is my least played class and I want to try and main him and see what happens. yesterday, I got a triple stab and these player genuinely believed that I was a sniper, engineer, demo, etc. Thank you bro.
1. I watch these video's
2. I get motivated
3. I bootup tf2 and play spy
4. I die to the enemy pyro
5. I close tf2 again
6. I watch a video again
7. Repeat
I apreciate the ultrakillness of the editing
5:49 most accurate depiction of my thought process playing spy
Man I got fooled for the first time by a spy acting and it really threw me for a loop
3:39 this part was so funny to me cause the heavy was fully convinced his salvation had come but it was his demise LOL
I'm trying so hard to get back into TF2 after a 3 year hiatus. Spy's always been my favorite class, and these videos have definitely made an improvement, tho most of the time I still screw it up. Love your content!
Nothing makes me feel more like an evil little goblin than using the “Thanks” voice line to the enemy medic as they heal me.
2:52 the fact that the disguise is so good that Jontohil even managed to confuse himself
something really evil I imagine you could pull off would be to act like a spinbotter disguised as the enemy sniper to get them kicked.
5:16 that cutoff made me laugh for some reason
Another great episode of Spychology yes sir
5:20 Please. Can we appreciate this move? It is not uncommon that in a closed space with a door, suddenly more than one enemy appears and, especially, if you are a Soldier. Going out with a Rocket Jump is risky, since they are close to the door and in the air you are an easy target to hit. Your "enemies" shoot at you in such a way that it seems that they miss or you manage to dodge them, and since you are an explosive class you can have area damage making the Medic believe not only that he saves you but that next to him they have a chance to face the " enemy" or escape taking at least one of them. All this with just a suitable costume and a voice command which would be perfect IF VALVE HAD NOT TAKEN THAT OPPORTUNITY FROM THE FREE TO PLAY. But at least there's still Double Acting
Ultrakill music
2:48 I mean he's also a Pyro on Fire. That simply never happens.
Gas Passer sucks to the point that it's never realistically used, so
Best education for spy and you had some good taste on Ultrakill ost
My favorite technique for escaping a bad situation as a spy when they know you're a spy.
1: Turn a corner.
2: Drop disguise.
3: Break out your disguise kit.
4: Become the spy crab.
5: Pray that the enemy team has mercy.
I love how stylish this series is
1:50 I genuinely fell for that disguise even fully knowing the context of the video lmao, I thought that the spy would be from somehwere else in the clip
Literally, the first spy that stabs you in a video is a reference to Jerma and Star and if that doesnt fit a video about shpee's IDK what will.
Well done boss, banger video
Very informative and good advices about disguises, thank you for this video!
ULTRAKILL ULTRAKILL ULTRAKILL ULTRAKILL
I love you jontohil thank you for ultrakilling
I was once fooled by a spy pretending to be a sniper. He was legit doing nothing. Just acting like he was watching a corridor. I thought nothing of it until I got a knife in my back. Its all about the acting
My man’s didn’t even count the pyro being on fire as a giveaway for the spy
Based ultrakill music choices and nice sfm/content? Subbed
Dude tanks for helping by making these vids, i was playing spy as a sniper going directly to the medic's back lol
Hey, just wanna say, i loved the first video about disguises, I mean the fact you went so deep as to see cosmetics and try to act like you had as much experience as someone with those cosmetics would was kinda funny, but also really interesting, and I kinda wanna see gameplay of that now lol
5:55 that actually happened to me several times on a 24-hour 2fort server. There was an engie that had set up in his team (BLUs) sewer, and i tried to take him out before, but i couldn't sap the sentry and then backstab him quicky enough, so i gave up, and then i just walked past when i was disguised, and he fell for it cuz i wasn't even trying to hurt him
Edit for context: normally i main medic/pyro, but i went spy to try and annoy some snipers into switching
just watched your previous video, im definetly improving, im now getting a kd of 1 instead of 0.5 which is a good improvement
Question: if you "die" using dead ringer will your chats from you appear dead to the other team?
Like
DEAD (YOURNAME): DAMN IT I HATE PYROS
Will that make your death more believable
Didnt expect death odyssey after the one voice evryone uses as v1 in a tf2 video
Suggestion: how spy act in each team (defence and offence)
For disguises to work, play all class
Dude, you edited your voice to sound like you are in a spacious room like im the background? Thats good attention to detail.
hell naw that laught is mad goofy 💀 ☠️ 💀
God i love when you put those cut short screams they’re so good ☠️
a tip for any gun spies is that being disguised as a spy while in your teams backline or just around your team is less suspicious than being disguised as someting like a scout or a sniper
Kind of a cool thing that I'm not sure was talked about, scouts using the baby face blaster will move slower making it a bit easier for people to fall for you disguise
Yeah but nobody is going to look at your gun for long enough to see if it’s a baby face blaster when they can just shoot 1 shot to spycheck you
I love how a brit is trying his best to match almost every French stereotype except for poisoning
He is Kiwi.
Pyro mains with paranoia spychecking every damn corners
immediately hearing death odyssey at the start though just tells you how good this guy is
clicked on this video wanting to learn about spy. was hit in the face with PTSD from ultrakill... It has been over a year. I have just woken up.
10/10 amazing video i am way better now
I like that you put music in this video from ULTRAKILL.
your channel is soo underrated
Spy tf2 disguise funnies:
- Disguise as an enemy sniper, look up, spin in circles and jump at a small barrier a lot. You can get the sniper kicked because the team will think they’re a stuck bot
- Steal away uses of a teleporter by disguising as an engineer or heavy. Some people will recognize that you are more of a priority and step off the entrance so you can go on.
- Pretend to be a pyro in water and take out your melee. People will follow you after seeing that you don’t have a neon annihilator thinking it’s a free kill.
- Disguising as an enemy you’ve just killed is still viable and pretty strong if people are keeping track of their team, even without the YER.
- Jump at an object that you need to crouch jump onto over and over with a disguise that looks clueless to attract players.
- If you cam survive it, ask an enemy soldier for a whip with C + 1, run out of their range then trickstab them with the speed boost and get away safe.
- Disguise as a stock flamethrower pyro and wait by a cliff
THE ULTRAKILL! THE ULTRAKILL IS REAL!!
8:17 “you can disguise as a hoovy for stabs!”
Your going to hell. Not the very bottom but at least level 2.
Did you watch the 9 stages of hell video
I watched this before playing ULTRAKILL so I was surprised by the background music on a re-watch