These Ben Simmons comments are killing me!! 😂😂😂 Anyone who acts like they knew that J Brown would be the better player and should've been drafted higher is flat-out lying!!
@@Zero209s The dude gets elevated by Jayson Tatum. He's a borderline All-Star. Simmons at his best is more than that. He's still the rightful number 1 pick.
Jahlil Okafor is an example of a center born in the wrong era. His traditional playstyle is nearly extinct, same with Greg Monroe. Either be willing to adapt and alter your game or be left in the dust. Not every solid NCCA basketball stats guarantees a player will become an NBA star.
@@Shifty_15 He might find a place in Europe since they play a bit more closer to the rim and its more physical so you can hid some deficiencies on the technical aspect.
It wasn’t just his play style but the injuries too. Idk if you saw is FC Barcelona interview but shit got me feeling emotional. I feel bad for him and Greg Oden. Guys just wanted to play but their bodies wouldn’t let them.
Stop making excuses. Whenever Okafor would do his tryouts for teams right before the draft, he would bring his homies along almost every time. The story was that the T-Wolves chose KAT because he came in professionally while Okafor's clique were laughing in the background.
I think a lot of teams regret not drafting Booker in 2015, as a Heat fan drafting Winslow and loosing Wade the next season absolutely killed us, instead of having Book.
Don’t forget all the talk around the 2017 draft that the sixers needed a score first PG, Simmons was playin the 4 and while yeah, he was the lead ball handler, this was a bit before the complete disappearance of positional basketball.
We really have to stop talking about players who struggled with injuries as "complete busts." Its more so that they were never able to realize their full potential.
While you obviously would prefer LaMelo over Wiseman, I think he has gotten pretty overrated between never playing and the awful off the court leadership. I wouldn't call it an obvious mistake at this point. I would make the argument against Detroit and pick Killian Hayes over Haliburton or Luke Kennard when Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo were the next two picks.
People forget he’s actually got a decent amount of accomplishments despite not playing for so long, I wouldn’t even call him a bust as much as I would say not a first pick worthy player.
If I'm not mistaken, my Bulls tried to trade up to #3 for Doncic. Also, I was so disappointed we drafted Wendell Carter at #7. I was all in on Porter Jr.
I thought you said in the past that your idea for a bust is that they did not suffer any major injuries throughout their careers they just suck as players and some of the players mentioned had those kinds of injuries
This is more of a what could have been with picks video compared to just a straight up draft busts video, but I appreciate you watching the other one and pointing that out 🫡
Fans don't know how to define what's a draft bust. Any player that suffers from injuries isn't a complete bust. Great players like Zo is unfortunate due to bad injuries.
I'm a Wiseman defender. He was decent before he got injured and has never been the same since. For a young man with hardly any experience, it's all about confidence and playing time. The rest comes with experience. Wiseman lost his confidence and thus lost his playing time. He's never going to be the next Wilt and probably won't be the next Benoit Benjamin at this rate, but he's 23 and has hardly played for the past two years. At that age and with that lack of experience, we still don't have a clue what he'll be like at 27 or 28, if he has the right mindset and regains his confidence. Jermaine O'Neal was still a big nothing at 21 after four years in the league but was averaging 19 ppg and 11 rpg at age 23 and an All-Star. I'm not saying Wiseman has that trajectory. All this is to say is a player at age 23 should be nowhere near his peak... unless, of course, they are Wilt Chamberlain. To your other point about Wiseman... if the Warriors didn't get Wiseman, it could have and should have been Maxey, Haliburton, or Bane. As a Warriors fan, I would've far preferred them over Ball.
Jahlil Okafor is a forgotten NBA player. The center out of Duke was deserving of becoming a high-priority pick in the 2015 NBA Draft. Kentucky center Karl-Anthony Towns headlined the 2015 NBA draft. He was the consensus number one selection and the Minnesota Timberwolves made the right choice. The next big man prospects were Jahlil Okafor and Kristaps Porzingis. The Philadelphia 76ers chose Okafor. Bad decision. Okafor ended up being one of the biggest NBA Draft Busts in history.
I think Mike misread Jabari’s quote, although defense wins championships the highest paid players are all offensive players which is what hes referring to
Overrated as in what? Elite defender, elite play maker and passer. Thats where it stops, everyone knows Ben Simmons unfortunately lacks the confidence to improve his scoring and ever since the Atlanta hawk series has lost all of his aggressiveness driving to the paint on a consistent basis because of his fear of missing free throws
@@user-dm8kz8ul8h wft are you talking about? lonzo was playing all nba level defense and shooting above 42% from three en chicago ...is a legit 3&D player
There are so many examples but let start : 1. The cavs in 2013 selecting Bennett in #1 when at #15 the was Giannis 2. In 2014 you can say that there were 39 mistakes in that draft the jokic was selected only at #41 (the only pick that before that was okay it's of course embid ... you can say also that Wiggins was okay since it helped the cavs to trade for love and win a title) 3. In 2016 Minnesota selecting PG Dunn at 5 when Jamal Murray & dejounte murray were still there and also the clippers taking PF brice Johnson at 25 when siakam was there at 27 4. In 2018 beside the part of luka you can also talk about the cavs drafting sexton at 8 while SGA & Jalen Bronson where still there But for me the 3 biggest losers in the draft are in 1996 the nets taking Kerry kittles and not Steve nash or kobe bryant and Dallas taking forward Sasaki walker and not peja stojakovic , the 2003 draft where the pistons took darco milicic and not wade , melo or bosh and of course the 1984 nba draft where Portland took Sam bowie and not MJ or even Charles barkley😂😂😂
hindsight is always 20/20...no ones know how players will turn out but if you wanna see the team that missed the most...go back and see who the timberwolves passed on year after year of having high draft picks
I mean he said during the worst trades that Gary Harris was out of the league immediately after the Gordon trade… when he was starting in the playoffs the day it dropped
as a clippers fan i was so hot we took robinson over porter jr . like bro we had back to back picks in the late lotto why would you not take a chance on porter jr with one of those . even if he was a bust you still had another lotto pick to use anyways
The Fultz pick never made sense. Living on the left coast in Oregon I watched Fultz play for the Fuskies and never saw anything that would have said he was the #1 pick.
The Kings really fumbled the Doncic situation. Divac for some reason changed his mind last second to not take Doncic because of stories about Doncics dad being lazy and the rest is history. The Hawks trading Doncic for Trae is also a generational fumble.
Jabari Parker is/was in absolutely no way a draft bust. The only thing he had going against him was being prone to serious injuries. There was no question whether he was going to be a star or not & I personally think that the Bucks would've won a championship alot sooner had he never gotten injured.
I question that first one??? Embiid sat out 2 years and has played in 65 games or more maybe 4-5 times. Giannis took a few years to become that guy. The Sixers stuck with Embiid because they had to after all that tanking. The Bucks may have got restless. Also their mentality is different, one takes the blame and the other puts it on others. Also Parker gave a few good years of double digit scoring. Most guys are judged bust after about 2 years.
From an analytical standpoint do you really think Jayson Tatum was the correct pick? Like we give them a bit of a break. Markelle fultz changing his jump shot the same season he was the number one pick is simply a travesty. And Josh Jackson at the time had a better statline across the board than Jayson. Jayson must of had the combine of his life because numbers wise it didn’t make sense to take him. Especially not over fox either.
Giannis became the star he is by luck and talent because first being on the Bucks he wasn't the first option but then injuries started waying Jabari down
To make it worse the Celtics were always gonna take Tatum. If sixers didn't trade up they could've still taken fultz at 3. La was always gonna take Lonzo. So dumb and I'm a sixers fan
I disagree. Watched Joel at ku and he was the most skilled center with his footwork that I had seen since Hakeem. I thought he’d be great and a lot of people did too
2018 draft is loaded Luka SGA Brunson Young JJJ Mikal MPJ Ayton Wendell Simons Vanderbilt Donte Miles Sexton Lonnie Huerter Williams III Grayson Moritz Bruce B Robinson Trent Melton
Aaah part two of the upload
I messed up the audio the first time around, thanks for coming back though lol appreciate you
@@MikeKorzemba all good been a fan for years I'll drop mostly anything I'm doing to watch a video
@@devontyrell1969glazing
Reminder that Mike once made the video: Why Thon Maker Is The Future MVP
He changed the title lol
Didn’t he also say lonzo ball was Steph curry with a 40inch vertical
@@countingcards1208yes 😂😂
These Ben Simmons comments are killing me!! 😂😂😂
Anyone who acts like they knew that J Brown would be the better player and should've been drafted higher is flat-out lying!!
And he's still NOT the better player.
@@guesswhonot1620Jaylen Brown is better than Ben Simmons
Ben averaged like 10 points in college he was very hyped but i thought he was overrated.
@@Zero209s The dude gets elevated by Jayson Tatum. He's a borderline All-Star. Simmons at his best is more than that. He's still the rightful number 1 pick.
@@biskaye That doesn't mean shit. Remember Kyrie in college? He barely did anything. Still got picked number 1.
Jahlil Okafor is an example of a center born in the wrong era. His traditional playstyle is nearly extinct, same with Greg Monroe. Either be willing to adapt and alter your game or be left in the dust. Not every solid NCCA basketball stats guarantees a player will become an NBA star.
He became a literal dinosaur😅
@@Shifty_15 He might find a place in Europe since they play a bit more closer to the rim and its more physical so you can hid some deficiencies on the technical aspect.
It wasn’t just his play style but the injuries too. Idk if you saw is FC Barcelona interview but shit got me feeling emotional. I feel bad for him and Greg Oden. Guys just wanted to play but their bodies wouldn’t let them.
Stop making excuses. Whenever Okafor would do his tryouts for teams right before the draft, he would bring his homies along almost every time. The story was that the T-Wolves chose KAT because he came in professionally while Okafor's clique were laughing in the background.
Well his defense was also trash
7:01 Lonzo might have been seen by many as the next Jason Kidd, but this one guy saw him as the next Steph with a 43 inch vert ;)
Loooool😅
I think a lot of teams regret not drafting Booker in 2015, as a Heat fan drafting Winslow and loosing Wade the next season absolutely killed us, instead of having Book.
As a Kentucky fan I hate that he didn't get more playing time while we had him his year in college
People kept saying he was going to become like a kawhi leonard player.. smh
Detroit could have picked Maxey or Haliburton instead of f-ing Hayes.
Maxey is overrated
@@guesswhonot1620 maybe but Hayes is dreadful haha
@@guesswhonot1620why? No one thinks he’s top 10! And he’s an all star.
@@spidamitchell8311 He's not a real All-Star, that's why he's overrated.
@@guesswhonot1620How is he not a "real" All-Star?
Don’t forget all the talk around the 2017 draft that the sixers needed a score first PG, Simmons was playin the 4 and while yeah, he was the lead ball handler, this was a bit before the complete disappearance of positional basketball.
Zo was actually good with the pelicans so i wouldn’t say it failed 🤷♂️
We really have to stop talking about players who struggled with injuries as "complete busts." Its more so that they were never able to realize their full potential.
While you obviously would prefer LaMelo over Wiseman, I think he has gotten pretty overrated between never playing and the awful off the court leadership. I wouldn't call it an obvious mistake at this point.
I would make the argument against Detroit and pick Killian Hayes over Haliburton or Luke Kennard when Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo were the next two picks.
Lamelo is washed. Nothing but an empty stat padder. Hornets won't have a future with him at the helm
Ben simmons is bad now but at the same, he was still multi time all star. Not really a bust
He's not even bad now.
For real, calling ben simmons a bust after being an all-star, they just hate him so much 👌🏻
People forget he’s actually got a decent amount of accomplishments despite not playing for so long, I wouldn’t even call him a bust as much as I would say not a first pick worthy player.
@@dejountemurraythefutureg.o9040 None of the players from 2016 are first pick worthy if we're being honest here.
Mike welcome back I missed you making videos man!!!!
If I'm not mistaken, my Bulls tried to trade up to #3 for Doncic. Also, I was so disappointed we drafted Wendell Carter at #7. I was all in on Porter Jr.
Over half of these were entirely because of injury.
Fultz and Lonzo were both great players who's careers were ruined with injuries.
MIIIIIIKE LOVE THE CONTENT
Appreciate you Gav 🫡
I thought you said in the past that your idea for a bust is that they did not suffer any major injuries throughout their careers they just suck as players and some of the players mentioned had those kinds of injuries
This is more of a what could have been with picks video compared to just a straight up draft busts video, but I appreciate you watching the other one and pointing that out 🫡
Jordan Poole was punched from the Golden State Warriors 😂😂😂
12:17. You can't compare any centre athletically to Wilt Chamberlain. You just can't. He's one of one
Can you do the best steals from every draft next?
Not my benny poo 😭
😂😂😂
@@MikeKorzemba love the vids keep them coming even if they hurt me as a sixers fan
Dont forget, Lonzo Ball was supposed to be Steph Curry with a 40 inch vertical
As a Celtics fan, I’d like to thank the 76ers and Nets for their duties of giving us the 2024 championship.
I was a clippers fan at the time of MPJ getting passed on, I was like “wtf, morons” 😂
Hopefully this vid stays up for the whole thing this time
Good to go this time, I messed up the audio last time
@@MikeKorzemba real
Fans don't know how to define what's a draft bust. Any player that suffers from injuries isn't a complete bust. Great players like Zo is unfortunate due to bad injuries.
I'm a Wiseman defender. He was decent before he got injured and has never been the same since. For a young man with hardly any experience, it's all about confidence and playing time. The rest comes with experience. Wiseman lost his confidence and thus lost his playing time. He's never going to be the next Wilt and probably won't be the next Benoit Benjamin at this rate, but he's 23 and has hardly played for the past two years. At that age and with that lack of experience, we still don't have a clue what he'll be like at 27 or 28, if he has the right mindset and regains his confidence.
Jermaine O'Neal was still a big nothing at 21 after four years in the league but was averaging 19 ppg and 11 rpg at age 23 and an All-Star. I'm not saying Wiseman has that trajectory. All this is to say is a player at age 23 should be nowhere near his peak... unless, of course, they are Wilt Chamberlain.
To your other point about Wiseman... if the Warriors didn't get Wiseman, it could have and should have been Maxey, Haliburton, or Bane. As a Warriors fan, I would've far preferred them over Ball.
ben fell off hard but he isnt as much of a bust as some others.
not mentioning the bulls taking PWill over Hali is CRAZY
Hali was never projected to be a top 5 pick
Jahlil Okafor is a forgotten NBA player.
The center out of Duke was deserving of becoming a high-priority pick in the 2015 NBA Draft.
Kentucky center Karl-Anthony Towns headlined the 2015 NBA draft. He was the consensus number one selection and the Minnesota Timberwolves made the right choice. The next big man prospects were Jahlil Okafor and Kristaps Porzingis. The Philadelphia 76ers chose Okafor. Bad decision. Okafor ended up being one of the biggest NBA Draft Busts in history.
I think Mike misread Jabari’s quote, although defense wins championships the highest paid players are all offensive players which is what hes referring to
Ben Simmons so overrated
Maybe like 6 years ago
Your mom is overrated
overrated by whom?
@@jeffreymerlino4613Exactly... don't know what he's talking about.
Overrated as in what? Elite defender, elite play maker and passer. Thats where it stops, everyone knows Ben Simmons unfortunately lacks the confidence to improve his scoring and ever since the Atlanta hawk series has lost all of his aggressiveness driving to the paint on a consistent basis because of his fear of missing free throws
man Thon Maker was a beast on my 2k MC teams :D
Pair with T. Chandler as well, unbeatable in the paint
Lonzo in New Orleans looked like he was one season away from being what Magic thought he would be.
Same in Chicago, one of the best defensive back courts alongside Caruso, but injuries finished him
His Chicago playing time would have been phenomenal. Dang injuries.
Lonzo Bust
His fans acted like shooting is the least relevant thing in basketball and it’s annoying
@@user-dm8kz8ul8h wft are you talking about? lonzo was playing all nba level defense and shooting above 42% from three en chicago ...is a legit 3&D player
We NEED more what if videos
For real.
There are so many examples but let start :
1. The cavs in 2013 selecting Bennett in #1 when at #15 the was Giannis
2. In 2014 you can say that there were 39 mistakes in that draft the jokic was selected only at #41 (the only pick that before that was okay it's of course embid ... you can say also that Wiggins was okay since it helped the cavs to trade for love and win a title)
3. In 2016 Minnesota selecting PG Dunn at 5 when Jamal Murray & dejounte murray were still there and also the clippers taking PF brice Johnson at 25 when siakam was there at 27
4. In 2018 beside the part of luka you can also talk about the cavs drafting sexton at 8 while SGA & Jalen Bronson where still there
But for me the 3 biggest losers in the draft are in 1996 the nets taking Kerry kittles and not Steve nash or kobe bryant and Dallas taking forward Sasaki walker and not peja stojakovic , the 2003 draft where the pistons took darco milicic and not wade , melo or bosh and of course the 1984 nba draft where Portland took Sam bowie and not MJ or even Charles barkley😂😂😂
Very good points
My boy Thon Maker is currently breaking the Lebanese Basketball League AND West Asia. LFG 🇱🇧😂😂😂
So basically Philly sucks at drafting
Lol you took the words right out of my mouth
Jabari parker kills me man imagine him and giannis now if he never got injured continued to improve he was already averaging 20
hindsight is always 20/20...no ones know how players will turn out but if you wanna see the team that missed the most...go back and see who the timberwolves passed on year after year of having high draft picks
Joel and Giannis would have be dominating to see
Where was the part where you said that Lonzo was Steph with a 40 inch vertical?
Nobody can tell me nothing. Timberwolves took Rubio and Foye over Steph curry
Stephs dad told them he not playing there
Having Ben on here is bullshit hahaha
He was an all nba player
Shows you are just buying into everyone’s rubbishing on him
exactly he isn't a bust and if he recovers because he's still young he could be a hall of famer
I mean he said during the worst trades that Gary Harris was out of the league immediately after the Gordon trade… when he was starting in the playoffs the day it dropped
Disappointment for sure and his all stars have been questionable but he was good
@@spidamitchell8311 Good way to pit it
Knicks picking Kevin Knox and his Fortnite suit over SGA or Mikal bridges should be on this list.
Didn't mention how my knicks took obi toppin over Haliburton even though we had no pg and julius randle was already on the team lol😂😂😂
The sixers had a top 3 pick like 5 years in a row and was able to get one superstar smh
Well they did say Jabari Parker could be the next Carmelo Anthony, so not a chapionship player but amazing scorer.
Mike acting like he didn't post a vid about thon maker 😭
Jabari would have been raw if it wasn’t for that acl in 2017 when he averaged 20.1 points per game
as a clippers fan i was so hot we took robinson over porter jr . like bro we had back to back picks in the late lotto why would you not take a chance on porter jr with one of those . even if he was a bust you still had another lotto pick to use anyways
The Fultz pick never made sense. Living on the left coast in Oregon I watched Fultz play for the Fuskies and never saw anything that would have said he was the #1 pick.
The Kings really fumbled the Doncic situation. Divac for some reason changed his mind last second to not take Doncic because of stories about Doncics dad being lazy and the rest is history. The Hawks trading Doncic for Trae is also a generational fumble.
Trae is amazing and and a multi time all star Luka is amazing but it’s not as bad as the kings taking marvin
Jabari Parker is/was in absolutely no way a draft bust. The only thing he had going against him was being prone to serious injuries. There was no question whether he was going to be a star or not & I personally think that the Bucks would've won a championship alot sooner had he never gotten injured.
He tore his left ACL twice. It was over for him from there.
Coulda named this video: “reason number 500 why the process never worked”
its always funny hearing about how bad a player is, meanwhiles its clips of them tearing tf up.
it always confuse me like "hey i thought he sucked!"
Thon maker was probably 28 when he was drafted. Can confirm I went to school with him
Anyone who willingly calls Ben Simmons a bust needs to find a new thing to hate on. Jaylen Brown is not better than him. He is incredibly overrated.
Both are overrated but brown is better
@@spidamitchell8311 Brown is not better at all. He's only an All-Star because of Tatum.
@@guesswhonot1620 Brown is the second best player on the Celtics, Simmons might not even be the second best player on the bench
@SalmanTahir7 L rage bait
Kuzma and Mitchell should have been drafted higher aswell
Absolutely not. Not Mitchell anyway
@@guesswhonot1620um what?
Kuzma is a top 15 player in his draft and Mitchell top 3 in his draft!
@@spidamitchell8311 People think he's better than Tatum, but he's not better than Tatum or Fox. Kuzma is more than just top 15 LMAO
Jabari Parker was the goat in college, he had that Chicago prodigy bad luck
I disagree with the consensus being Embiid. Wiggins was beyond hyped that year
Only real ones remember the “Thon Maker” video
To be fair to Jabari Parker, Joel Embiid isn’t an even a conference championship caliber player.
He is that caliber which is why it’s more disappointing that he doesn’t get it done
I question that first one??? Embiid sat out 2 years and has played in 65 games or more maybe 4-5 times. Giannis took a few years to become that guy. The Sixers stuck with Embiid because they had to after all that tanking. The Bucks may have got restless. Also their mentality is different, one takes the blame and the other puts it on others. Also Parker gave a few good years of double digit scoring. Most guys are judged bust after about 2 years.
Ben won rookie of the year and is a 3 time all star. Calling him a bust is asinine.
Dante Exum Redemption Story !
From an analytical standpoint do you really think Jayson Tatum was the correct pick? Like we give them a bit of a break. Markelle fultz changing his jump shot the same season he was the number one pick is simply a travesty. And Josh Jackson at the time had a better statline across the board than Jayson. Jayson must of had the combine of his life because numbers wise it didn’t make sense to take him. Especially not over fox either.
Sixers don’t know how to draft
If Embiid played with Giannis on the Bucks Embiid would've never won MVP but he'd be an NBA champion now with the Bucks.
NEVER DISRESPECT THON MAKER
We need an nfl version.
When you gotta upload a bronny video
Exum 💯 2K really had me convinced he’d be a legend.
My warriors should have drafted Lamelo instead
They went for fit tho
Warriors don’t get bullied enough for the Wiseman pick
Ben simmons just forgot how to play somehow lmao he was amazing at first
More like Thrust The Process
Lonzos always been a pretty good player when hes healthy always has improved at least
I imagine 2 have to be 6ers. Said trust the process and it was a tough time
Always my sixers in these vids man
Giannis became the star he is by luck and talent because first being on the Bucks he wasn't the first option but then injuries started waying Jabari down
Porzingis refused to workout for Philly
And now Kristaps porzingis is an 2024 NBA champion.
@@sunflowerangeldjoan1921 i dont think you understand the point i was making
To make it worse the Celtics were always gonna take Tatum. If sixers didn't trade up they could've still taken fultz at 3. La was always gonna take Lonzo. So dumb and I'm a sixers fan
8:47 and he’s only *19*
James Wisemen was good you develop players by letting em shot chuck he didnt get to do that on the warriors
Hindsight is always 20 20.. Embid came in with a lot of ? And is often injured..
embiid took three seasons to make it. he wasnt a hit the first year he got drafted.
It was only injuries holding him back. He was nearly dominant while playing on limited minutes, even as a rookie.
Jabari was right they pay people a lot more to be good on offens that to be good on defense you cannot take everything so literally
Raptors also passed on sabonis for jakob poeltl
Garland was nowhere to be seen in the playoffs tho 🤷🏽♂️
Starting with Jabari Parker was bullshit. He got hurt but her was CLEARLY better that Joel coming out of college.
Injuries or not, he never lived up to his potential. Still a bust!
College superstar picked high in the draft that doesn't come close to expectations is the definition of a bust
I disagree. Watched Joel at ku and he was the most skilled center with his footwork that I had seen since Hakeem. I thought he’d be great and a lot of people did too
@@Article_170 That's like saying derrick rose is a bust
@classic-vw4ed he kind of was lol but he at least won a MVP
Nah as a Lakers fan i take Ingram over Brown 7 days a week 365 days a year.
Ben Simmons is on the rise . MARK MY WORDS 2025 MVP
2018 draft is loaded
Luka
SGA
Brunson
Young
JJJ
Mikal
MPJ
Ayton
Wendell
Simons
Vanderbilt
Donte
Miles
Sexton
Lonnie
Huerter
Williams III
Grayson
Moritz
Bruce B
Robinson
Trent
Melton
That’s wild that’s 5 guys who have made an all star game and 5 more all star caliber players and many solid players
Which Robinson are you referring to?
Celtics a dynasty in progress?? 😂😂
Mike your awesome and we all know it
Thunder know how to draft huh wow they don’t miss many picks
I'd say Anthony Bennet was a horrible choice
90% of picks past #5 are busts
Anyone else think this guy sounds like Mark Rober?