This may seem 'silly' but every single Barbie movie does an amazing job at subverting the male gaze, even when Barbie is wearing a bikini (like in Barbie in a Mermaid Tale). This is very healthy for young girls as they are introduced to Barbie at a young age, and can view themselves as Barbie, instead of through a heterosexual male lens. Barbie even goes a step further by not putting the 'gaze' onto any of it's male characters either. This makes Barbie accessible to everyone, not just heterosexual men or women.
I just want to say. Black Widow is named after the black widow spider who uses their appeal to attract and kill male spiders. That is exactly what Natasha Romanoff does. She is a russian spy who uses her physicality to trap males. Yes it was good to see in her solo film more focus on her as a person but she was never a side character in Avengers. She was an avenger.
I personally don't let fictional events that I've watched for pure entertainment influence my actual life in any way, but for the people it does have some sort of impact on good luck. Reality usually gets in the way of that for me
Some people in the comments don't seem to understand the male gaze the male gaze applies to how other men see men (even just aesthetically) thor captain America are men who men think are attractive (not calling them ugly or anything they are both beautiful) but they are not to the female gaze the best example who fit the female gaze are loki & spider man u can be a male and have female gaze and be a female and have male gaze
Interesting considering Thor and Captain America have been on the cover of women's magazines with the words “sexy” “sexiest” in the title. However, Loki and Spiderman have not. Take that BS your selling somewhere else. Not to mention all of these men are multi-millionaires.
Y'all just prove how impossible it is to please females ie the female gaze. Any director trying to please females are going to have an extremely godless time. I recommend they not focus so much on trying to please gender and just make a movie with whatever they feel.
This is literally the first time ever I've seen male gaze described this way. ALL the sources I read about it defined it strictly as a heterosexual male looking at a female. Sure you didn't just make this up because you don't find Steve rogers that bangable? Or you are trying to describe some kind of gay male gaze?
Yeah, and sometimes it's like the camera is literally looking at the characters like a dude, focusing on the female character's butts or whatever instead of their faces. It's gross. And yeah, those characters will just be love interests or props for the dude's story, and they don't get a lot of characterisation on their own. Personally I think it really takes away from some love stories, because the character's don't connect because one half of the relationship is being treated like an object and not a person. That said, the camera/narrative doesn't look at women the way all dudes do. The "male gaze" only applies to some men. Tbh, the way some men are written is completely dehumanising, and I think that media can be having a negative effect on guys as well. When you look at the state of male mental health, yeah, we're clearly doing something _wrong._
Yeah, camera angling her like any other superhero is a good way to emphasize the dark nature of her solo film, and how personal the mission is to her, there’s no room to play with the cameraman anymore; the situation is extremely dark and dire.
I think Hunger Games is a great example. Yeah, a love story is kinda involved, but it is not the whole plot. Also Katniss is not sexualized (at least not in the books) and her dialogues with other women aren't just about men
Is this a joke? Do you think they didn't specifically cast Aquaman (Jason Mamoa) and Thor (Chris Hemsworth) for the “female gaze”? Let's live in reality, Hollywood intentionally casts Beautiful women AND MEN, to be attractive to the opposite gender. It's not rocket science.
In no section of this video does it say that there isn’t an issue in regards to the “female gaze”. There are many instances in film where a male is portrayed mainly as a ‘sexy’ individual in order to please a female target audience. However, in most cases, these individuals are partnered up with some form of substantial personality or character, such as a backstory filled with different themes such as abuse, traumatic experiences, loss etc. It is undeniable that there is much larger and influential sector of Hollywood that profits incredibly off objectifying women and characterising them as pure eye candy with little to no substance or value within the plot of a film or show whatsoever. Consumers have become so immune to this form so portrayal, to the point where people expect it in order to be entertained. I think this video does a great job at highlighting this issue.
Female gaze does not even like that we would rather simp over loki than thor and why do y'all have the need to make everything about yourself the females have suffered from this problem way more than men and it's just the truth
Bro the thing is even when the "sexy" men are shown, they are also seen from the male gaze. They are shown as dominant, buff and strong. Every woman ik don't have these beauty standards for men, but every man ik has a certian beauty standard they love.. Like the patriarchal system is real and fucked. I do not think film makers have even fully analyzed or ask what women want from these films. They do not care.
recent studies show majority males and minority females view women as body parts when they showed slides of males and females in parts women were tagged fastest and more accurately then males in parts and when shown full women males struggled most they also struggled to identify facial expression meanings. We also have the 20/90 effect if women are talking or present or even in the background 20% of the time the audience thinks they're 90% of the speaking roles, the back ground characters, or present in the film. We also see how male gamers whine that a normal woman is ugly and riot they calm down only if she seems sexy males also more commonly state how sexy women are the only women due respect yet this vocalization doesn't match reality as when they get a sexy woman in life they do not respect her. Yet in media it makes males respect the character more if she's sexy.
@@alexwray6173 ...SPOILERS...No, not even remotely, it is actually so far away from what I was trying to express, that i am starting to ask myself if you reed what I was writing... In Black Widow 3 of the 4 main Characters are smart, competent, female super soldiers/scientists and one is a self-centered, incompetent, male, moron, who literally doesn't get an earpiece to communicate with the group, because he is such an idiot. There are exclusively male villains in this move, because all female antagonists are actually mind controlled by the main male villain and get rescued at the end while all male antagonists die. This feels like an overcompensation, a story a female chauvinist would tell...what ever it is, it is fare away of a depiction of equality, at least in my mind and i was asking about how other people on the internet interpret that movie. BTW i guess in real life you are actually a nice person, so have a good one mate.
Nope because that would acknowledge that women do it too. And women can't have that. It would mean they aren't victims of anything other than human nature that applies to men and women.
@@vicferger sexy according to whom and for whose eyes? do you know there can be multiple interpretations of that view? ever heard of girl crush girl bands like Blackpink or 2NE1?
6:30 Not a fan of these examples; HQ is a character for women, always has been. Halle Berry Catwoman may have been a bad but that movie was bad in just every way and isn't worth analyzing. As for old Lara I never saw any problems with her other than she's probably a mary stu, or really a gary stu considering she's quite masculine in her interests and abilities. New lara is more feminine but also one of the biggest examples of ludonarrative dissonance. What you said about Black Widow is more or less well known and agreed upon. She was side character in most of the franchise and most of her early scenes where just her being hot around other characters. It took them way too long to make her more than just fan service. She should have been a bigger character and had her own movie happen like 5 years earlier. ScarJo even already had lead actress experience for the job.
those things have nothing to do with eachother. i bet she could have been useful, even when having proper clothes on :) no hate on Megan, the phenomenon of the male gaze is the worst in that movie. oversexualizing women is a thing.
While I do not completely disagree with you, the way you said it really seems offensive? I do think Megan's character was the most fully realized but the way she's shown and filmed is clearly sexualized and sexist, to me that contradicts her character arc completely in a way that almost doesn't make sense. If you're genuinely curious about learning about this I'd suggest Lindsey Elis' video on the male gaze in transformers specifically.
I believe the video is titled "The Male Gaze vs. The Men: The whole Plate part 2" it details the actual film theory taught that is the "Male Gaze" and the actual definition used in film school and film in general. Hope this helps.
Poor Scarlett's bottom gets a lot of attention! The opening scene of "Lost in Translation"! I remember thinking, "here we go again". So unnecessary and particularly disappointing considering who was behind the lens!
women USE their beauty and sex appeal to get what they want, this is how black widow get's hulk freed from captivity in avengers 1. Men use their skill and resources to attract women to them, because women want to be the object of desire. Objectification is your biggest weapon and you act like it's a weakness, don't make me laugh.
I think you mean to say "male directors used women for sex appeal". No we don't just want to be an object of desire. We want to be seen as people instead of only seen as people when we're sexualized. What you're describing is just your own sexism. Please get genuine help and go to therapy. I truly mean it. It's not a dig. Please. Please. Get help.
@sleepy Eevee women won't be heard? which reality do you live in? any woman is always heard, sometimes even when they are from different cultures (in the west especially if they have a different culture) as long as they spin the victim narrative. In acting weak they can find strength because men will want to take care of them.
Disagree entirely the women in these movies are often shown appreciation for the art that is the female form. Even if they are the damsel in distress they are unattainable until THEY decide otherwise holding the power of both their minds bodies and hearts. If that is not empowerment idk what is. If anything these scenes demean men and is sexist regarding them as unworthy lustful beasts and saying that is all they seek
Woman don't want the men from the avengers. That is also the male gaze. Men in a strong role where they're literally buff and unstoppable. EVERY women I know including myself, don't like these men, but every man ik will jizz there pants if they see captian American
@@stephanieroth4942 so the constant shirtless scenes and magazines that came before and after were for men? This video is under the claim that movies in their entirety are all directed for the male audiences. But clear casting for the male physical appearance is apparent. The fact you are both ignorant to this and refuse to look at both sides of it show you are sexist and have misandry towards men
This may seem 'silly' but every single Barbie movie does an amazing job at subverting the male gaze, even when Barbie is wearing a bikini (like in Barbie in a Mermaid Tale). This is very healthy for young girls as they are introduced to Barbie at a young age, and can view themselves as Barbie, instead of through a heterosexual male lens. Barbie even goes a step further by not putting the 'gaze' onto any of it's male characters either. This makes Barbie accessible to everyone, not just heterosexual men or women.
I just want to say. Black Widow is named after the black widow spider who uses their appeal to attract and kill male spiders. That is exactly what Natasha Romanoff does. She is a russian spy who uses her physicality to trap males. Yes it was good to see in her solo film more focus on her as a person but she was never a side character in Avengers. She was an avenger.
I personally don't let fictional events that I've watched for pure entertainment influence my actual life in any way, but for the people it does have some sort of impact on good luck. Reality usually gets in the way of that for me
Some people in the comments don't seem to understand the male gaze the male gaze applies to how other men see men (even just aesthetically) thor captain America are men who men think are attractive (not calling them ugly or anything they are both beautiful) but they are not to the female gaze the best example who fit the female gaze are loki & spider man u can be a male and have female gaze and be a female and have male gaze
Interesting considering Thor and Captain America have been on the cover of women's magazines with the words “sexy” “sexiest” in the title.
However, Loki and Spiderman have not. Take that BS your selling somewhere else. Not to mention all of these men are multi-millionaires.
Y'all just prove how impossible it is to please females ie the female gaze. Any director trying to please females are going to have an extremely godless time. I recommend they not focus so much on trying to please gender and just make a movie with whatever they feel.
This is literally the first time ever I've seen male gaze described this way. ALL the sources I read about it defined it strictly as a heterosexual male looking at a female. Sure you didn't just make this up because you don't find Steve rogers that bangable? Or you are trying to describe some kind of gay male gaze?
Yeah, and sometimes it's like the camera is literally looking at the characters like a dude, focusing on the female character's butts or whatever instead of their faces. It's gross.
And yeah, those characters will just be love interests or props for the dude's story, and they don't get a lot of characterisation on their own. Personally I think it really takes away from some love stories, because the character's don't connect because one half of the relationship is being treated like an object and not a person.
That said, the camera/narrative doesn't look at women the way all dudes do. The "male gaze" only applies to some men. Tbh, the way some men are written is completely dehumanising, and I think that media can be having a negative effect on guys as well. When you look at the state of male mental health, yeah, we're clearly doing something _wrong._
Yeah, camera angling her like any other superhero is a good way to emphasize the dark nature of her solo film, and how personal the mission is to her, there’s no room to play with the cameraman anymore; the situation is extremely dark and dire.
I think Hunger Games is a great example. Yeah, a love story is kinda involved, but it is not the whole plot. Also Katniss is not sexualized (at least not in the books) and her dialogues with other women aren't just about men
Great video. TERRIBLE COMMENT SECTION.
these two cannot be true at the same time, they literally contradict each other
@@Menmenthealth awwwwee ur so edgy 🤪
Terrible how?
@@liampatrick3110 if you can't see the sexism, you're sexist.
@@liampatrick3110 and you can't get on the internet with a profile pic like that and actually think I care what you think.
Is this a joke? Do you think they didn't specifically cast Aquaman (Jason Mamoa) and Thor (Chris Hemsworth) for the “female gaze”?
Let's live in reality, Hollywood intentionally casts Beautiful women AND MEN, to be attractive to the opposite gender. It's not rocket science.
In no section of this video does it say that there isn’t an issue in regards to the “female gaze”. There are many instances in film where a male is portrayed mainly as a ‘sexy’ individual in order to please a female target audience. However, in most cases, these individuals are partnered up with some form of substantial personality or character, such as a backstory filled with different themes such as abuse, traumatic experiences, loss etc. It is undeniable that there is much larger and influential sector of Hollywood that profits incredibly off objectifying women and characterising them as pure eye candy with little to no substance or value within the plot of a film or show whatsoever. Consumers have become so immune to this form so portrayal, to the point where people expect it in order to be entertained.
I think this video does a great job at highlighting this issue.
It’s also a lot more complex than, “they hire attractive women”. The video details roles of women in movies and editing and shooting decisions also.
Female gaze does not even like that we would rather simp over loki than thor and why do y'all have the need to make everything about yourself the females have suffered from this problem way more than men and it's just the truth
Bro the thing is even when the "sexy" men are shown, they are also seen from the male gaze. They are shown as dominant, buff and strong. Every woman ik don't have these beauty standards for men, but every man ik has a certian beauty standard they love.. Like the patriarchal system is real and fucked. I do not think film makers have even fully analyzed or ask what women want from these films. They do not care.
not to burst your bubble but aquaman and thor are male gaze. for female gaze is casted for example loki.
recent studies show majority males and minority females view women as body parts when they showed slides of males and females in parts women were tagged fastest and more accurately then males in parts and when shown full women males struggled most they also struggled to identify facial expression meanings. We also have the 20/90 effect if women are talking or present or even in the background 20% of the time the audience thinks they're 90% of the speaking roles, the back ground characters, or present in the film.
We also see how male gamers whine that a normal woman is ugly and riot they calm down only if she seems sexy males also more commonly state how sexy women are the only women due respect yet this vocalization doesn't match reality as when they get a sexy woman in life they do not respect her. Yet in media it makes males respect the character more if she's sexy.
I feel like Black Widow is not a depiction of equality...What are your thoughts about that?
Does that mean it shouldn't consider that women are more valuable than their worth to men?
@@alexwray6173 ...SPOILERS...No, not even remotely, it is actually so far away from what I was trying to express, that i am starting to ask myself if you reed what I was writing... In Black Widow 3 of the 4 main Characters are smart, competent, female super soldiers/scientists and one is a self-centered, incompetent, male, moron, who literally doesn't get an earpiece to communicate with the group, because he is such an idiot. There are exclusively male villains in this move, because all female antagonists are actually mind controlled by the main male villain and get rescued at the end while all male antagonists die. This feels like an overcompensation, a story a female chauvinist would tell...what ever it is, it is fare away of a depiction of equality, at least in my mind and i was asking about how other people on the internet interpret that movie. BTW i guess in real life you are actually a nice person, so have a good one mate.
The majority of the comments of this are horrific-Makes me sad and disappointed😔.
great vid!
Sister your thoughts exactly matches with mine
These girls need to get a day job. Think I could ever be hot as James Bonds or have Terminator abs?
I wonder is there gonna be a video about Rambo, Terminator or Thor and this "gaze" thing. XDXDXD
Nope because that would acknowledge that women do it too. And women can't have that. It would mean they aren't victims of anything other than human nature that applies to men and women.
I mean, you seem to have enough info on it
Maybe you should educate us
I mean, you seem to have enough info on it
Maybe you should educate us
YOUR VIDEO WAS GREAT! PLEASE KEEP SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS AND IGNORE WEIRD FANBOYS
This is false. Superheroines are sexy and they use their sexuality as a weapon
Ah yes. Echo Chamber principles.
@@vicferger sexy according to whom and for whose eyes? do you know there can be multiple interpretations of that view? ever heard of girl crush girl bands like Blackpink or 2NE1?
6:30 Not a fan of these examples; HQ is a character for women, always has been. Halle Berry Catwoman may have been a bad but that movie was bad in just every way and isn't worth analyzing. As for old Lara I never saw any problems with her other than she's probably a mary stu, or really a gary stu considering she's quite masculine in her interests and abilities. New lara is more feminine but also one of the biggest examples of ludonarrative dissonance.
What you said about Black Widow is more or less well known and agreed upon. She was side character in most of the franchise and most of her early scenes where just her being hot around other characters. It took them way too long to make her more than just fan service. She should have been a bigger character and had her own movie happen like 5 years earlier. ScarJo even already had lead actress experience for the job.
Megan Fox was certainly there to look sexy, but her character is also the most useful throughout the whole film, did you miss that somehow?
those things have nothing to do with eachother. i bet she could have been useful, even when having proper clothes on :) no hate on Megan, the phenomenon of the male gaze is the worst in that movie. oversexualizing women is a thing.
@@Sophia-mf9kv Oversexualizing men is ALSO a thing!
@@liampatrick3110 it is ! Never said the opposite!
While I do not completely disagree with you, the way you said it really seems offensive? I do think Megan's character was the most fully realized but the way she's shown and filmed is clearly sexualized and sexist, to me that contradicts her character arc completely in a way that almost doesn't make sense. If you're genuinely curious about learning about this I'd suggest Lindsey Elis' video on the male gaze in transformers specifically.
I believe the video is titled "The Male Gaze vs. The Men: The whole Plate part 2" it details the actual film theory taught that is the "Male Gaze" and the actual definition used in film school and film in general. Hope this helps.
what is your name? i wish it was mentioned in the video, I wanted to use it as bibliography of my first paper
Check the credits at the end.
Thank you for this great video, keep up the good work!!
Poor Scarlett's bottom gets a lot of attention!
The opening scene of "Lost in Translation"!
I remember thinking, "here we go again".
So unnecessary and particularly disappointing considering who was behind the lens!
What is a woman?
Do you think you’d be able to define it such that you could use your definition to identify a woman?
A miserable pile of secrets?
@@austinreed7343 but enough talk, have at you?
women USE their beauty and sex appeal to get what they want, this is how black widow get's hulk freed from captivity in avengers 1. Men use their skill and resources to attract women to them, because women want to be the object of desire. Objectification is your biggest weapon and you act like it's a weakness, don't make me laugh.
I think you mean to say "male directors used women for sex appeal". No we don't just want to be an object of desire. We want to be seen as people instead of only seen as people when we're sexualized. What you're describing is just your own sexism. Please get genuine help and go to therapy. I truly mean it. It's not a dig. Please. Please. Get help.
@@stephanieroth4942 Then women can sexualize men. I support that media can sexualize all (women and men)
@@vicferger We can, but we don't. You guys don't even shave ur asshair
@sleepy Eevee women won't be heard? which reality do you live in? any woman is always heard, sometimes even when they are from different cultures (in the west especially if they have a different culture) as long as they spin the victim narrative. In acting weak they can find strength because men will want to take care of them.
Women only feel objectified when she does not find the guy coming at her attractive.
Disagree entirely the women in these movies are often shown appreciation for the art that is the female form. Even if they are the damsel in distress they are unattainable until THEY decide otherwise holding the power of both their minds bodies and hearts. If that is not empowerment idk what is. If anything these scenes demean men and is sexist regarding them as unworthy lustful beasts and saying that is all they seek
This is such a disgusting and sexist take and I do not understand how you think it's okay.
Woman don't want the men from the avengers. That is also the male gaze. Men in a strong role where they're literally buff and unstoppable. EVERY women I know including myself, don't like these men, but every man ik will jizz there pants if they see captian American
@@stephanieroth4942 so the constant shirtless scenes and magazines that came before and after were for men? This video is under the claim that movies in their entirety are all directed for the male audiences. But clear casting for the male physical appearance is apparent. The fact you are both ignorant to this and refuse to look at both sides of it show you are sexist and have misandry towards men
@@neloangelo26 Implying that I'm sexist for letting you know ur thinking is sexist is actually hilarious to me.
@@stephanieroth4942 as I recalled I pointed out this videos sexism first only difference I can articulate my arguement clearly you cannot
Fuq feminism
I full heartedly agree.
had to stop when you mentioned the bechtel test. sorry
youre acting like were force that onto others, female characters with less screen time but well written attract us to lmao
@@dungleuc759 name one
...because that's exactly what the real world is like.
no the fuck it’s not