Reacting to 'All in the Family' - Archie Bunker talks about his father (Powerful Scene!)
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I think the beginning, is right after the story, where Archie mentions being poor as a kid, and having to go out, wearing a shoe on one foot, and a boot on the other, and kids would tease him, and call him the nickname “Shoebootie”.
That’s why Mike says to Archie, when he falls asleep…”goodnight Shoebootie”.
A powerful episode.
That's the one
Carroll O'Connor won five Emmy Awards (four for All in the Family). He earned each one.
The conversation that this has sparked with all of you.... is the reason why this show was so important when it came out! It's part of why it hurts my heart to hear so many say.... that a show like this would not fly today! We need a show like this now ....almost as much as we needed it back then!
I noticed that Mike's face changes and he gets very quiet after Archie reveals how his father disciplined him.
Reiner’s non-verbal acting is impeccable in this scene.
Try abused and criminally assaulted!
Carrol O'Connor's acting in this scene is probably the finest acting I've ever see. The way both his voice and face soften as he recounts the tender moments with this dad, and then the as he describes the abuse with a mixture of admiration for his father being stern and 'manly' and pride at what he believed to be showcasing 'love'. The scene is so powerful because Carrol O'Connor climbs into Archie's past to bring these memories to life and you feel every moment from the dad's hand in his, to the cold wooden floor of the closet. Absolutely amazing. This is where Archie shed's his monster persona and become a man-a broken man, but a man.
You have to admit, TV back in the 60's 70's made people think!! Unlike today where TV makes people conform!!
It’s like the music 🎶 of that era, Karen Carpenter, Ann Murray and Carol King, James Taylor, etc. Reflection music
Archie does go through an emotional growth as the series goes on. As things change in his life and his daughter moves away.
A must watch is a scene where Archie returns home after Edith passed away, one of the most heart wrenching scenes of the series.
I cried like a baby at that episode..
When he finds the slipper….😢
One of my favorite scenes ❤
I was the one who suggested that you watch this particular clip, and it was for the exact way you reacted. The acting from both Carrol and Rob was brilliant. Plus, it was perfectly timed in the series to give some insight and background into why Archie was the way he was. It made Archie more relatable to the audience at that time. That he wasn't ignorant out of hatred, but out of just not knowing. Thanks for reacting to this. 😁
thank you for sharing, I found it very poignant and I agree that the acting was incredible
It brought the cry out in me. It was an amazing scene!
They shouldn't have just watched the clip. They needed to watch the episode. At first, they didn't know Archie was drunk and there's no way they can know what Mike calling Archie Shoe Booty means at the end
The acting is always on point in that show but you see how the teaching of your children is important they mimic you, osmosis even when you're not formally teaching. Difficult to break the chain
That clip is so memorable that I saw it for the first time when it was originally shown, and recognized it immediately. Wow. What a cast, and what writing!!
This is exactly what made All In The Family such an amazing, iconic show. So much comedy, but the intense subjects they covered and the way they covered it was phenomenal. Norman Lear is a genius, and every actor in the show was absolutely believable. Edith's attack and Gloria's first pregnancy were other intense episodes that put you in the room. The audience actually cheers for Edith, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who cried when Archie talked to Gloria after her first pregnancy. It's great to see younger generations appreciate tv shows of my youth. Great commentary too! 👍
Oh you'll love Blazing Saddles! More racism, but funny 🤔🙂
All in the Family was created to represent the foolishness of bigotry, and the fear-based rationale of feeling so narrow-minded. It was played as a comedy to soften the harshness of the words and concepts. The insights available from the wealth of material portrayed has obviously reached into younger generations. Enjoyed going down memory lane!! 😂
Just for a point of reference, this is the cellar of "Archie's Place", Archie's bar where they accidentally locked themselves in it and started drinking. "Shabooty" is what the kids called him in school because he wore one shoe and one boot to school because his parents couldn't afford new shoes. This was revealed earlier in this particular conversation.
No it is the basement of his home. His bar came later
@@susangoldstein9315no, you can tell because when he was locked in the basement of his home he was locked there by himself. Michael wasn't with him in his basement.
I'll agree to disagree. But I remember that episode when it came on.
@@susangoldstein9315 ok
"ALL IN THE FAMILY" was one of the BEST shows EVER on TV, we NEVER missed an episode during it's run on telelvision in the '70s
I grew up with this show and saw my Dad experience these views for the first time in his life. His parents bought into these prejudices, but because of the shows in the 70’s my views on race and culture broke a cycle of generations.
It was the same for me. I started watching this as a preteen. It helped me THINK about things on a deeper level and, as you said, break that cycle.
Your discussion after viewing this powerful scene was exactly why Norman Lear created this groundbreaking show. We who watched in real time were challenged to look at our society in a light that was being shone for the first time. Using language that is now unacceptable in tv and movies was shocking then too. The starkness forced society to start taking stock. And the evolution began that led to that language now being considered completely out of line in our entertainment. Norman Lear was a modern day prophet. He knew exactly what he was doing. Keep the conversation going, guys. It’s great. And, oh yes, Carroll O’Connor was a brilliant actor. It’s not easy to create a character who is so unbearable and yet consistently earns our compassion.
The best show ever. No show has ever evoked so many emotions.
This scene always brings a tear to my eye
On that episode, that both got locked into the storage room of Archie's bar by mistake, where it was cold. So, they decided to drink to help them keep warm, until someone would come along, looking for them. They were just talking to help pass the time away until help came. Also, while still trapped in the storage room, Archie explains to meathead, why as a kid he also was teased by the other kids growing up. And the other kids nick named him "Shoe Booty" because he couldn't afford a decent pair of shoes. He'd wore one shoe and one boot.. Shoe Booty.
This scene really encapsulates what made Archie the way he was. Plus it was acted to perfection by Carol O'Connor. Moments like this is what made AITF such a great show.
As the series progressed, the character of Archie did "mellow" to an extent ... to the point that he became friends with the black woman who he hired as a housekeeper after Edith passed away.
A father isn't just one thing. He can play ball with you and teach you how to tie a tie, but he can also be wrong about large swaths of reality.
Just a touch of background: They were accidentally locked in the bar storeroom and had taken to drinking to get warm, so yes, they were both drunk.
Mike calls him "Shoe-Booty" at the end because just prior to this, Archie revealed they were so poor when he was a kid, he had to wear one shoe and one boot to school. The kids meanly called him "shoe-booty."
I remember that episode. These two got locked in a cellar or something, and couldn’t get out. They had to stay there for a night or so and there was nothing to eat much so they drank whatever was in the cellar. Finally, somebody came and got them out. Mike, his son-in-law, learned a lot about his father-in-law that night and maybe why he is the way he is.
I was raised in the southeast, and I can tell you that our parents were tough as nails…two generations removed from the Civil War and they lived through WWII and The Great Depression where certain foods and items were rationed (so having your father bring candy home to you was a treat). My mother was not really abusive, but maybe she was at times….it’s very complicated. She could be mean at times, and I was spanked with the belt and sometimes made fun of if I didn’t straighten up and say I believed the way she did. She was never prejudiced outright, but we were to “keep to our own,” probably for our own safety and reputation as much as anything else back then in the South, and we were taught never to be cruel to others no matter if they were poor or had a different skin color. My mom worked two jobs at times to keep a roof over our head after her divorce from our dad, who was abusive and stalked and tried to kill her (That was the 1960s and 70s, and there was nothing done about men like that back then…and there’s not much that is done about them even now- women do not realize how bad it was just a generation ago.) My mother was one of the lucky ones who had two brothers who “taught her ex to stay away from her or else,” which was the way things were handled in the South back then. Mom took us to church every Sunday and every Wednesday night, and she helped put my brother and I through college. She got up early before work to cook us breakfast-eggs, bacon and biscuits were always on the stove when we got up to go to school. (She had already left for work in the city-several women drove together in a car pool-they had to leave early to get through the traffic.) She would come home after working all day in the city at a large insurance brokerage firm, which was a pretty stressful job-think back to the 1960s when men ran these companies & the women took dictation, typed over 100 WPM, and made everyone coffee, all the while while wearing a skirt or dress, hose, high, pointed heels, and a beehive hairdo. Women were the “worker bees” and were paid very little. Mom would come home from work & would cook us dinner from scratch. We never went without food; we never went without a roof over our heads. We never went without the clothes that we needed. My dad never paid any child support, and there was no system in place to collect it back then…families just suffered through it. We didn’t always have everything we wanted, but we had Christmas; we had Easter; and we celebrated our birthdays. She loved America, and she loved her country and flag. She retired after 40 years with the company, and they sent her to Europe for two weeks as a retirement goodbye package/gift. That was one of the highlights of her life. She was in her early 60s when she retired. She stayed home for about about a year, got bored, and went to work part time at a store for another 20 years. She finally completely retired, and after about two years at home, she died of a heart attack, at home, alone, on a Monday-Labor day- in her mid-80s. She Loved her children fiercely, but she could be mean as a snake sometimes. And yes, I think we all have conflicting emotions I guess about our parents and try to judge him by today’s standards when they lived in a different world.
This show helped change the attitudes and views of a new generation and perhaps made an older generation a little softer.
I appreciate you all just for watching/reacting to this. If you are, know it or not you’re gaining a perspective most don’t understand today.
I really appreciate you breaking down this scene. I'm old enough to see this when it first aired and re-watch when I get a chance. Its a timeless show. It really was ground breaking. First to address social issues. Loved Corroll O'Cooonor. How he was so perfect for this part, still to this day can't be beat. A shame a iconic actor to get old and pass away. Its been over 20 years already. I also loved him in the Heat Of The Night.
Sometimes we look at life, and although we've been through some painful times, we say that we wouldn't change anything. But but having watched the entire series regularly, there was never any indication of Archie raising Gloria in an abusive manner. So a way of continuing the conversation would be to point out that Archie in fact changed the abuses he learned from his father.
I was just thinking that. Good catch! 😊
I think it is amazing that the Archie character had such an abusive childhood but because a very loving, tender father toward his daughter Gloria. His character does get verbally abusive at times, but never on this show was Archie hitting or torturing people.
And you never get any hint that he treated Gloria harshly at all. Granted, even back in his youth the father would probably be more abusive towards a son to teach him to “be a man.”
I'm so glad you are covering these moments and topics. This show was revolutionary for so many reasons and I was worried when you started this series with AITF that you were only going to focus on the notorious, sensationalized moments. This show is so much deeper than that and deserves more attention for its sometimes delicate and heartfelt tackling of sensitive topics like racism, rape, death, etc. It was such an amazing work of art, presented by such skilled actors and writers. Thank you for continuing this series and for covering and discussing these deeper moments.
What you have here is the difference between British and American comedy (AITF was based on a BBC sitcom). American comedies (with the exception of Seinfeld) tend to have a moral tone to them. British sitcoms revel in the utter failure of it's characters and we never draw any lessons from their behaviours. That's why British characters enter the dictionary and American characters are just repositories for killer one liners.
@@PaulK-ve1pu My goodness! You’re proud of being morally tone-deaf? You use this sensitive and important moment to belittle Americans and exalt yourself? As a great man once said, ‘what proceeds out of the mouth is what is in the heart, and this is what defiles a man’. I won’t bother telling you who said it since if you criticize the meager morality of Americans, outright blasphemy couldn’t be far behind.
This show tackled the issues of racism, prejudice, misogyny, sexism, cultural differences, class divisions, etc..
You young people give me hope. Sometimes I feel like young people have no empathy. But your commentary on videos like this show me otherwise. Thank you 😊
Carroll O'Connor had an adopted son. His son was an actor as well and they performed together in a TV show called 'In the Heat of the Night'. His son struggled with drugs and committed suicide as an adult. Carroll actually had liberal views. He donated $1 million dollars to a university.
I can't tell you how it feels, watching this jewel of a tv show continue teaching, decades after we thought it would be forgotten. Mike's farewell to Archie was so wrenching, at the time that it was shown, I think it pretty much bummed everybody out- my family, friends, etc. You see, All in the Family was an artistic accomplishment that was to be imitated a million times, after this- and by Normal Lear himself- and in each iteration (The Jeffersons, Maude, Good Times) it kept teaching and touching, while making us laugh.
Yes, yes and yes! A hallmark creation of “make you think and look in the mirror” TV. When you realize that these shows were broadcast a mere decade or so after race riots, civil rights confrontations and victories and the “hippie generation” whose mores changed the tide, (not to mention Watergate in the side-view mirror where objects are closer than they appear), it makes it all the more stunning! My family watched it and my dad (who reminded me of Archie in many ways) couldn’t stand Archie! 😂 My mom, quite a bit like Edith, probably had some good comments, but they were dominated by guess who? I guess, then, I was spoiled Gloria - an only child who was more rebellious in my choice of husband than anything prior to it. 😅 Good to see these again thru younger eyes. 😊
Just for episode context, Archie in later seasons buys Kelsey's Bar and renames it Archie Bunker's Place. In this episode, Mike is helping him do inventory and they get locked in the refrigerated storeroom overnight. It's cold, so that's why they start drinking and it's also why they are wrapped in that old tarp full of bird crap.
I didn't think it's refrigerated, it's just not heated, and it's winter (I realized I'm being annoyingly precise here).
That acting was impressive .Wow ! How they held that long take together without any cuts.
Filmed in front of a live audience too.
This episode was heartbreaking, beautiful and funny . It broke down Archie’s character but your generation will happily never no how brutal life was ,and how common brutality was it was just life. Society is in a dramatic shift but trust me your grandparents lived very different lives ☮️
It’s pretty cool to see that this groundbreaking show STILL holds up in how thought provoking it was/is.
A lot of sitcoms since the 70's and 80's have learned from these sort of groundbreaking shows... how impactful it can be to pause the comedy for a moment and instead focus on a genuinely dramatic scene, giving the actors a chance to really dig into their characters and acting skills to add this sort of depth beyond just rote setup and punchline sort of line delivery. But when you see more modern examples of these moments and feel that 'wow, they pulled that off really well'... then go back to much older shows and actors like O'Connor...you feel such a chasm in sheer acting quality. It's worth remembering that Carroll O'Connor was very liberal and progressive in his beliefs...his character is literally the polar opposite of the actor portraying him...yet O'Connor in this scene is able to summon the compassion to portray Archie so sympathetically. Like, what can you say???
Wow! I'm just loving your reactions to this series. There were a few times in the series where Mike sees Archie in a different light. If you watch the flashback episode where Mike first meets Archie (when he was dating Gloria) he couldn't stand Archie -- didn't even want to talk to him because he was so offended by the things he would say. But there's this one episode when Edith takes Mike aside and tells him the reason why Archie always yells at him and resents him. (Edith was a bit dizzy and was called "a dingbat" in the series . . . but she was actually very wise). Mike understood Archie a little bit more after Edith spoke to him. So Mike and Archie were always fighting, but somewhere underneath, there was something special that developed. And one of the more extremely touching episodes is when Mike and Gloria move to California . . . the "Goodbye" scene . . . Mike musters up the courage to tell Archie that he loved him and that he was like a father to him. Of course, Archie can't say it back, but he doesn't have to, he just felt uncomfortable saying the words back because that was who he was, but you knew he felt the same way. (Please don't watch the YT clip of this scene if you decide to watch it, because the YT clip cuts off before Mike tells Archie he loves him, so you really need to watch the whole episode). Yes, Carroll O'Connor acting is "stunning" as you said. I couldn't agree more. Another well acted episode is when Archie starts taking uppers (because his new business venture of owning a bar is failing and he's depressed) . . . I think it's a 2 part episode . . . well he's on these uppers and just crashes and he starts sobbing. It's a brilliantly acted scene, just brilliant.
I'd love to see you guys analyze the episode "Archie Is Branded" from the 3rd season. The family awakens on a Sunday morning only to find a swastika painted on their front door. The episode is amazing and the final shot is still a stunner. Guest star Gregory Sierra is fantastic.
Okay, Boobie! LOL!
This show, popular in my teens, was watched by millions and created quite a stir. It is enjoyable to see a younger generation reacting to this and other shows. Great concept. I love how you show some just for laughs and others for a time-capsule of clarity like this poignant episode. Keep it coming! 😊
Everyone has a story. Before we judge people we should consider where they came from and what they went through in their lives. Nobody is perfect including our parents and that can be hard to see and accept
Brilliant scene, outstanding writing and acting. Great reaction everyone!
My favorite dudes doing my favorite reaction on my favorite show growing up All in the Family. Thanks again.
Also I want to tell you how observant you were after the show. As you can tell it really was a great show and the acting was just awesome as well as the writing. They could cross that line and discuss it in a comedy sketch each and every week, get laughs or get tears but always making u think. I love remembering my childhood through you guys.
"ALL IN THE FAMILY" OPENED DOORS OF COMMUNICATION ACROSS GENERATIONS, THATS THE GENIUS OF IT!!!❤❤❤❤❤👍👍👍👍👍👍AND LED TO MORE TV AND MOVIES TO OPEN DISCUSSIONS, EXPLORE OTHER CLTURES AND LIVES. 🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤👍👍👍
I’m not sure how old you four are. I’m going to be 61 in a week or so, but you’ve already learned something from this clip that took me much longer to understand: when all you’ve ever basically been brought up with are lies, ignorance and hate, those things become your truth. In a situation like that, it doesn’t really matter what the facts are, if you’ve never had a chance to see and know the reality. It’s trite, but it’s true: perception IS reality. That’s not an excuse to hate or to celebrate ignorance…but it IS simply the reason why so many folks never get past the darkness.
I dedicated my life long ago to trying to do my part to be a small light in that vast deadly darkness…even so, I am not naïve enough to believe that I can change the entire world…but maybe I can change my little corner of it.
Thank you so much for your insight to one of the most emotional scenes of one of my most favorite comedies of all time.
The message this scene from All In The Family imparts is just as relevant now as it was nearly half-a-century ago!
I'm a new subscriber and this is a really powerful episode of Archie and Michael together. I'm almost 55 years old and I can tell you from experience that my dad had used his hand on me when I did wrong but my dad also made sure that he provided for our family. He absolutely loved all of us. I never understood why he whipped me but when I got older I realized that he was only punishing me for doing wrong things but he still loved me very much. I wish I still had my dad today but my dad passed away in 2016 and it still hurts so bad. You only get 1 dad and 1 mom so you have to love them and treasure them always!! 👍🏻😢❤
In my opinion, what makes Archie Bunker and All in the Family iconic is that while Archie was very ignorant and bigoted and a product of the era that he grew up in, the Bunkers and Stivics were also working class people, and the show tackled many issues that were relatable to most people and also topical issues as well: war, politics, religion, race, sex, sexuality, minimum wage, unemployment, death. Archie was very often wrong, but both the show and Carroll O'Connor himself made the character feel realistic to the point that Archie ended up being beloved. Also, there were definitely times when Archie made some sense and was right about certain things. And the impeccable writing and comic timing of the cast made the show work. It doesn't mean that people agree with a lot of what Archie said, but he simply came across as a real person. Sometimes wrong, sometimes right, just like real people can be. I like the fact that the writers didn't cut corners with Archie in the early seasons and made him rough around the edges, which makes his progression and development in the later seasons feel more believable.
I think a lot of modern entertainment want characters to be "perfect" to the point of fantasy. I can't engage in a show or movie where all the characters are shallow and nothing more than one-dimensional, interchangeable sounding boards for the writers and showrunners. Very often when I'm watching something modern, I find myself saying "real people don't talk or act like this." All in the Family, which is my #1 show of all time, very often made me believe that the characters and their conversations were real and scenes like this are a prime example. You said it, in this scene, Mike finally understood Archie's perspective and the environment he grew up in and shaped his beliefs. I like how the scene focused first on Archie during his monologue then waited to show Mike's shocked reaction. Both O'Connor and Reiner nailed this scene.
This clip was shortened. Archie and Mike were locked in a storage room. Yes they were both drunk. I remember this episode I'm gen x. My favorite episode is about a sock and a sock and a shoe and a shoe.
Even though my dad was abusive and he’d call me a rebel for wanting to have a girlfriend in high school, it took me years before the war inside me was over. There was a part of me for years who believed he was right and I was just a bad kid. I missed out on my childhood because I was afraid to leave the house. I was homeschooled. He made my mom go to work while he watched TV all day or had me at the dinner table going over Bible verses. I never actually learned schoolwork until I was much older because he thought it would “poison my mind.” As much as I hated it, I always thought he was right and I’d defend him to the rare people I came in contact with. It’s hard to admit the only parents you’ve ever known were wrong. Oh yeah, he was racist as hell, too. And nothing was ever his fault.
@christhornycroft3686 makes you wonder about your father's upbringing.
@@rockingredpoppy9119 I think he was abused, myself. He did tell me a priest felt him up and he didn't like it so he never went back. That's it. He did like telling humiliating stories about his brother as a kid though. He liked being a know it all. Lecturing people on things. When I saw Amber Heard's thing with Johnny Depp, her lecturing and trying to make herself out to be an expert on everything was so familiar. I was a competitive swimmer and suddenly, he became the expert on that. He would literally ask me about something just so he could tell it right back to me. BPD, definitely. He'd tell me growing up that he should be a world leader because he'd fix all the problems by making everyone Christian and if they wouldn't, they could get out.
Well, your ability to write well shows you wound up with a decent education, which is one good thing. But, your experiences caught my eye because they also hint at what I know is a factor in this matter: religion. I say it with due respect since I am a religious person. But, they bear a heavy responsibility for the spiritual famine that is ubiquitous, for abusing and assaulting people - from the Crusades to the shameful acts behind the altar; to teaching people lies about God. Major religions stayed mum when Hitler took over, some signing agreements with him and therefore complicit. And, they have been a handmaiden for the mafia, the KKK, and so many other wicked groups. Their time of reckoning is coming swiftly, the Bible shows. Revelation 17 and 18 depicts false religion as a harlot who has been sleeping with politics and loves this world. Yet, her former paramours will turn on her, but the judgment will be from God.
In this episode, an atheist has to show Archie how morally wrong his father was. I think that says it all. And, yes, as our Guys realized, there are many that do wrong, but have a better heart. Bible says God will even resurrect many of them, giving them and so many others their first real chance at life, not punishing them in a fiery hell forever, a thought that God said in Jeremiah never came up into his heart. ❤😢😊
@@MsMarple I did a lot of studying on my own after school ended when I could. 90% of the relevant information I know I taught myself because he didn’t think they were important. To him it was “love God, obey your parents.”
Your story and millions of others speaks to how no one knows what they are doing when comes to raising children.
It's one hugh guessing game based on the level right verses the screwed up methods of our own parents.
What is the first question asked when one seeks therapy with a psychologist?
"How is or was your relationship with your parents?"
Holly, you hit on something so important. Our beliefs can be embedded so deeply that it can takes years or even an entire lifetime or lifetimes for things to change completely. Yes, we are still working on change but they ARE changing. Not overnight but the are changing. I'm a 70yo female and just found this channel a couple of days ago and it has become my instant favorite. You people are so intelligent and it reassures me that the world's gonna be alright. I grew up small town, rural, blue collar and that was pretty much the same for everyone I knew. When everyone seems to share the same beliefs, you assume that those beliefs are correct - just as Archie had. He is not a horrible, viscous person. He simply calls it like he sees it and can't figure out why people are upset. These series and films (like Blazing Saddles) let people laugh and remain tuned-in to the show but at the same time, gently nudged us in another direction. Thank you for a great channel!
Thank you so much, I’m so glad you enjoyed the video and the conversations! We really enjoy discussing these topics :)
Guys I enjoy your RUclips channel because everything you “do” comes together with an educative purpose at the end. Hard to find in 98% of reaction videos.
I’ve seen every episode of All In The Family, along with its 80’s spinoff “Archie Bunker’s Place.” The scene you conversed over I remember well. Like you said, Norman Lear (who recently passed in December 2023), the writers, and actors were trying to explain causes for why we do what we do (good or bad), and opening up and coming together are the only ways this world will heal. Rob Reigner (Mike) usually preaches but doesn’t practice; his character enjoys pretending he knows what’s right. Carrol (Arch) is the same, only his polar opposite). Both characters never took time enough to open up, invite each other in, and converse. It took booze 😂, locked in the storeroom (b/c Mike accidentally locked them in all weekend), to talk it out.
In the end I feel both guys learned something. Mike learned about Archie and, hopefully, Mike learned about himself. Hopefully Mike learned to practice love, understanding, and ways to help improve Archie’s behavior. Because if you think about it, Archie was right only in his mind, his whole universe, and our entire personal universe is sometimes more powerful than we believe.
Lastly, and I apologize for the novel here, we all need to have courage and examine our universe, other people’s universes, develop humbleness. I mean I look around and see so much hate, especially between men and women (I was engaged not too long ago. Didn’t go well), and saw how much distrust exists in romantic relationships, societal expectations, what women must endure to survive in this area, how we men are told similar things in different ways. Or maybe what to do to be a friend, or whatever helps you, so you can be a love and kindness to another person. Society, media, they all tear down the individual and advertise a cookie cutter model of how to be. If we can open up, talk, allow others to enter our inner universe, maybe the mirages will disappear and we’ll learn we are all the same-nothing to fear. First we must enter and help.
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What a great discussion! I'm so surprised that such young people could really understand the depth of the scene. Gives me hope.
DON'T EVER FEEL YOUR PARENTS ARE IGNORANT. THEY JUST HAVE DIFFERENT "TRUTHS"❤❤❤
To put Archie's slurring in context, the two of them were locked in the frigid basement and could only find some booze to keep warm, so they were drunk by this time. That's also why the two of them were wrapped up in the blanket together at the beginning of the scene.
At some point in the series there's a big conversation about Archie having to drop out of school, at a very young age, to help his family.
That's alright then. All racist bile excused.
I wish they had a show like this today that started conversations like you're having here.. We need it more now than ever
@granitestater1029 This is a great point. We can't get enough people in front of the same broadcast each week, much less people with varying political views, to make a difference.
@granitestater1029 I'm all for capitalism, but our leaders made a horrendous mistake when it comes to how they handled the development of new media as it evolved.
I don't know if it was the fact they were and still are too old to understand new tech and what could potentially happen, but something needed to be done to control the spread of disinformation and promote balanced programming in every market, while it was still possible.
Instead of upgrading the Fairness Doctrine, they got rid of it and neither party ever made a move to reestablish it.
MY GRANDPA WAS THE ORIGINAL ARCHIE BUNKER!!! STILL LOVED HIM. TAUGHT A LOT ABOUT CALIFORNIA DIVERSITY, HE CHANGED SLOWLY!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
They were locked in the basement of the bar Archie owned, it's cold and Archie gets drunk. I can't recall if that is a painting cover sheet or an awning Mike has around him (awning I think). When Mike says goodnight shoebootie that was from the story that Archie told him about being so poor as a kid he had to wear a shoe and a boot because he didn't have two of either that he could wear. The kids made fun of him and called him shoebootie
DT was referring to what’s called Stockhholm Syndrome. An idiosyncratic affection of the victim for the abuser. I’ve ended up with this myself. I’m 62 and still in trauma therapy. Occasionally, I look around the web for any advances in treatment or understanding. There doesn’t seem to be any advance in help for Stockholm Syndrome, unfortunately. It does help a little that people are aware of it.
You are all very insightful, it’s very refreshing. The inner child must be addressed because your childhood forms your inner voice. My breakthrough came when I did a guided meditation that instructed me to go back and be the adult talking to myself as a child. I was told to tell that child that everything bad that happened to me wasn’t my fault. Also to give that child love, affection and positive affirmations. It really does help.
I took it as when Archie said his father was wrong he was beat. The breaking his hand on his face and being thrown in a closet for 7 hours. that was the saddest part - the abuse by his father
I love your commentary - so thoughtful. I'm so glad you are appreciating All in the Family for what it was. It was layered with so many things, which is why it was great. I'm enjoying watch your take on these tough subjects.
This is an eye opening example of how to witness something with an objective opinion to recognize the reason behind someone's character but remember that it cannot be used as an excuse for it.
That part. Mike now understands what shaped Archie’s views but Mike hasn’t forgotten that Archie’s a bigot.
Wow these All in the Family episodes take me back. I remember being little, sitting in front of a big wooden console TV. I remember all of the episodes pretty good, especially this one.
Omg, that was heavy...His speech about his dad brought me to tears almost...WoW
We should love our fathers and love all people. Today, we live in a day where people have to be perfect and can't be forgiven. Which is WRONG. No one is perfect!!!! A parent can love you and not be perfect, but unforgiveness is wrong. Archie forgave his father. Good for him.
THE DAY YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR PARENTS' LIVES, YOU WILL BE AMAZED AT HOW FORTUNATE YOU ARE!!❤❤❤❤❤❤👌👌👌👌👌✌✌✌✌
The motto from Noora's wall in the web show Skam: Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.
Damn hard to meet.
LOVE this point. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve realized, as great men have tried to tell us (esp Jesus), that judging must be left to God. While we know some thinking and conduct is wrong, when we view our fellowman this way it is healthy, true and beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. 😊
I grew up watching this show, and loved it for the comedy, but I had forgotten how deep it was. This scene was absolutely amazing, and the fact that you young people are having this discussion all these many years later is a testament to that fact. Well done, folks! 👍🤟
Typa Dudes suggestion.
Every Norman Lear Series
1) All in The Family
2) Archie's Place
3) Thr Jeffersons
4) Maude
5) Good Times
6) One Day at a Time
One of the most powerful, yet understated, moments in 70s TV, or perhaps ever TV. How many people grew up like Archie?
Wonderful, heartfelt discussion. Thank you.
There are many episodes and scenes where you can see Archie evolving on his beliefs. There is the eulogy he gives at his best friend's, Stretch Cunnigham) funeral. Archie never knew that his best friend was Jewish after years of jokes and barbs about the Jews. Another is when Archie receives blood from a black person after when complications before surgery arises. Another is when his niece avoids telling Archie, who has custody of her, that she is Jewish and he enrolls her in Hebrew school and shows his pride in her. One of the funniest and most intense episodes is when Archie is accidentally joins the KKK when he thinks he is joining a patriotic group and Mike and Gloria forbid him to see his grandson. If you want raw, powerful emotion you need to watch Archie's tear jerking monologue when he says good bye to Edith after her death.
So glad I found you guys. Love to see understanding young people full of hope!!
Wow!! Very very good conversation and points of view from each one of you!! Love it keep up the Great work!! ❤️🙏🏻
I enjoy their discussing shows from the 70’s. They’re finding out how things were in the 70’s. And this would never be on television now.
The main thing to take away from this is to have conversations with those you disagree with, and listen with compassion and hopefully with understanding that either they or you yourself are missing information.
I grew up with a monster and I knew they were wrong, bad before I could even say the words. My problem was that I thought I was undeserving until I was no longer from where I came from. The monster taught me what not to do and how not to be. The only thing that I bought into was that I thought the monster was the toughest creature on the planet and was shocked to find out that the opposite was true. Che was a monster as well. Lined up children against a schoolhouse and..... Communism kills.
That was the episode where the 2 of them were locked in the basement and nobody was coming back home a day or 2. That was intense. I was about 17 or 18 when that episode came out. I was riveted to that one because we got a better handle on who Archie Bunker was and how he got to be that way. Great episode.
Carol o'Conner was "lefter than I am" according to Rob Riener..
The entire character of "Archie" shows his acting skill.
He was a high school teacher before becoming an actor.
It would be good to watch the entire scene from the storage room. You learn a lot about Archie's childhood
This one always makes me want to cry
Carrol O'Conner was an extraordinarily great actor!
Very well said, Joe...all of you had great comments and thoughts. You guys actually delve into the depth of WHY people think the way they do instead of just judging their actions or beliefs. Kudos guys!!!
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Next episode to see if you would like to understand both Archie Bunker and Michael Stivick is when the play the board came named "Cop Out and With It". Everybody gangs up on Michael and confronts him, and then Edith Bunker comes to the rescue to straighten out Michael's thinking process.
Incredible episode choice. So moving. Later in the AITF spin off, (Archie Bunker's Place) after Edith died, Archie had a black house keeper. In one episode Archie ran into her in the store. He was very kind to her, gave her her pay because she forgot to take it. The manager of the store who knew Archie started making fun of Archie saying he was with a black woman. And saying things about the maid with sexual inneundos. Archie defended the house keeper and punched the guy. It showed a lot of growth on his part.
Fantastic commentary. 👍🦋
To me, the great lesson to learn from your videos is that when both sides of a debate can be heard dialog can take place. Today, only one side is allowed to be voiced (the left) so we fight. That's what we should be learning from these late 20th century shows.
Perfect analysis by you all. Great job!!
Bravo guys! Things ain't always what they seem. Yall are great, I love that yall open your hearts and minds to something that was deeply controversial at the time, I was too young then to remember, but I get it, and I think yall do too. It's thoughtful of yall to take the time to do this, I respect all of you.
All in the Family was a most unique TV show...not really a "sitcom" as most think it was. It was "satire" as once mentioned by the great Carroll O'Connor. A show that makes you laugh, mad, angry, and cry...I would suggest two other touching episodes to react include when the Stivics moved to California and when Edith died...I cry every time I watch it over and over...
This show was all about breaking ground on so many topics. The writers, creators and actors all knew that in order to progress - you had to get people talking.
They did it so well. It was the beginning and change was coming.
Archie pushed us forward.
Most people's opinions are based on their upbringing and beliefs, not facts, evidence or rationality. When you challenge someone's beliefs you're asking them to change their essence. Most are incapable of this, even when the evidence is overwhelming.
Love that you are watching these an also talking about differing opinions an engaging in debates an discussions. Nowadays having open discussions with different opinions especially about politics an certain topics ends in anger or one side shutting down the conversation if you don’t agree. The shows during that time were opening the door to be able to talk about sensitive topics. Love that you guys are doing what your doing with your reactions it’s 👍
A really good episode was from Season 3. Called "Everybody tells the Truth" . . . It shows very clearly that both Archie and Mike were not above twisting the truth to make minorities into stereotypes. Edith exposes both Archie and Mike's prejudices - yet neither Archie nor Mike will admit the truth.
What a great reaction/review video. I think this was my favorite vlog on your channel thus far. Keep up the great work ❤
When someone says something mean about someone, I say don't judge them because everyone has a story. We don't know why anyone does what they do. Whether good or bad. They grow up around something and they think that is the way it is if they are not challenged to the other side of the story. Unfortunately, one of the first things I think of is men that abuse their wife and kids, because that is what was taught to them by their father when they were growing up. The wife should take care of the family. The kids do what they are told. Then they have a family and the wife speaks her mind and 'whack', a hand across the face for speaking out. The kids ask questions and 'whack' the dad tells them they shouldn't discuss that. So much hate, confusion, ignorance. For the human race to be the intelligent species, we sure are stupid.
This scene always got to me. I always thought Caroll O'Connor looked like my dad but never more than this scene. He even sounded like my dad when he was drunk.
Carroll O'Connor didn't want to play Archie Bunker at first, because was the polar opposite of him. But he then realized that he could take that character and add nuance to Archie that would make him far more well-rounded. It was his skill that made Archie the bigot we all loved. Yes, he was ignorant--but a lot of that wasn't his fault, and he was a working-class man of his time. And while he was never perfect, he was able to have experiences throughout this show's run that saw him change, if only slightly. A brilliant actor. I wish he was still here.
Love your discussions. Another level to Archie, IMO, is that he can’t accept that he was a victim of his father, so he tells himself that his father locked him in a closet to teach him because his father loved him.
We are all products of our experiences. We are also products of our chemical makeup.
Nature vs. Nurture.
That was a great discussion about that scene and I enjoyed the scene and the discussion. Thanks guys and girl
Norman Lear is a genius. He created this show to help show average white Americans how ridiculous people like Archie Bunker were. He did it in a comedic way that was not preachy. However, it made people like Archie Bunker and those that were indifferent to people like Archie Bunker open their eyes to things they didn't really think about or realize how it looked. It was a passive aggressive way of getting through because it wasn't an attack against them personally, but someone else they "knew" that did these things. It was all done through a comedy that didn't put them on the defense. He did this also through other shows like The Jeffersons, Maude, and Good Times. All explored very controversial topics that had not been shown on TV before.
One of the things about the sitcoms at that time, there was substance to accompany the humor. It allowed people to see another person’s point of view without criticizing or judging them. Don’t get me wrong, there was a lot wrong back then. However, we could watch television and actually learn something while having a good time. I miss that.
The shows today are so vulgar etc. yes, Archie’s choice of words could be vulgar as well