Humble suggestion....might be worth do a short video on tyre slip angle if you haven't already? That way, people watching will have a better understanding of why it is you're wanting to get the rear of the kart to momentarily move towards the outside of the corner somewhat (the "rotation" you spoke of) during the turn in, so that throughout the rest of the corner, the rear tyres are at a sufficiently high enough slip angle to generate as high as possible a cornering force that allows you to carry as high a speed as possible through the corner. Just my 2 horsepowers. :P
Ik it’s weird to ask over a yt shorts comment section, but can I get your snap? You seem really informed on racing. If you don’t want to give out a snap it’s fine, but where did you get all your knowledge from?
I've been Karting since 2015. I started in rental karts and then went onto do pro kart racing in Rotax Junior and Senior. I also got the opportunity to race in F4 (check out the video on my channel). You can message me on instagram (@kartingtips)
@@kartingtips Come to Australia for Go Kart, I want to learn the OZ Karts race track entry lines. Drifting is fun but, I want to go faster and break my record.
TOP Tip for outside karking in wet or damp conditions Brake but when kart is in a straight line with no or little imput into steering. Otherwise you spin around
I've picked up some pretty bad habits for rental karting by driving race karts. Most of the time I naturally trail brake which adds a tonne of time to my laps.
@@jamiescott892 did club 100 last weekend for the testers in a two stroke smashed the first test out of the way and broke my ribs in the second one. Person in front of me hasn’t adapted to the karts yet and I can’t blame him as compared to indoor it’s absolutely beserk
people think brakes are for slowing doen in karting, they are there so u can go faster and improve your lap times... you will end up coasting like a grandma if you dont brake!
@@atharvsgamingtube734 Actually, I used brakes before; it slowed down and even if I improved my lines, it'll be the same. I tried using no brake entry and was faster
Use the brakes to turn the kart in rental karts. If you press the brakes hard enough, you'll actually rotate the rear end of the kart. Check out my in depth braking video where I explain this in more detail: ruclips.net/video/FsB7JhqaHqw/видео.html
It's not a drift, it's just getting sufficient rotation during the turn in so that the rear tyres are at a large enough slip angle to generate maximum cornering force possible from the rear tyres. That way, you will be able to travel closer to the theoretical maximum speed possible through said corner (i.e. the limit). Drifitng is when the (rear) tyres have far exceeded the optimal slip angle for cornering force production. It is a way to take a corner but it is very slow because it generates a ton of longitudinal tyre drag with little to no lateral cornering force.
Drifting is when you go over the limit when you’re entering a corner. You should avoid that as much as possible to force the car to understeer bringing back the grip on the rears. The secret lies by pushing the steering wheel a lot when braking and applying the gas at the same time. You can train yourself by driving in the rain where understeer is needed to put a fast lap time and to keep the car on track by feeling where the limit of grip is
@@FoodJunkieRus I’m joking, but generally you’re not going that fast, so there is some truth in it. Just chuck it in and scrub the speed off that way, and don’t let the revs drop or you’ll be building them back up round the rest of the lap.
I really hate how different braking is in cars vs karting. I've driven cars for 10+ years with a focus on performance driving and self improvement and so i went karting recently for the first time ever to have some fun and see how it differs. I dont know if it's that fact that's there's no front brakes or if its the lack of suspension or diff or what that I'm struggling with but it's very different and trying to drive it like a car I've found is a disaster. I drive a heavily modified 135i coupe and I'm used to braking hard and trail braking in until just before or on the apex before using power. If you do this in a kart it really doesn't like it and while you get a lot of cornering g force it's not quick in terms of lap time. I found I had to brake a lot earlier and baby it and try and force rotation like you say here but it felt very unnatural and not at all as enjoyable or rewarding as a "proper car" in my humble opinion. (Obviously, I'm not driving or karting pro and this is just a first impression of a car only driver)
It's because karts have a solid rear axle (meaning inside and outside rear tyres are ALWAYS rotating as the same speed as each other) vs. cars that have either a differential or limit slip differential (i.e. allowing the inside and outside rear tyres to rotate at different speeds as needed so that both tyres are in a zero longitudinal slip condition because the outside tyre needs to travel further than the inside tyre as the car travels through a corner). If your car has a limited slip differential...it would be like the limited slip differentially was in a permanently locked state. The effect would be an inherent and ever present contributory understeer effect when trying to turn the car, unless you manage to sufficiently reduce the inside rear tyre's grip vs. outside rear tyre's grip. You do this by maximising the % lateral weight transfer on the rear axle. Furthermore and perhaps somewhat counter-intuitively, you get more of this effect by placing your seat further back in the kart so as to maximise your body weights effect of the % lateral weight transfer that will occur on the rear axle during cornering. But this means, if you trail brake into the corners, you will reduce the rear load and with it, you ability to generate as high a % difference in outside-inside tyre load. Thus trail braking karts will tend to induce understeer.
You want as little grip on the inside rear as possible (to minimise the inside rear tyres understeer effect) whilst still having sufficiently high combined grip from the rear to support the kart with enough cornering force to be able to carry as high a speed as possible through the corner.
I take back what I said about the trail braking part. It's not as effective not because it shifts weight forward inducing more understeer from the rear (i believe i'm wrong about that) but simply because you lose momentum too much driving these karts like so because of the lack of power to get back up to the same speed on exit.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I have a quaife ATB diff in my car so it works a bit differently. I had read similar about needing to unload the inside tyres and leaning to the outside of turns and such to accomplish it. The knowledge is certainly helpful and the more I read the better I understand what I supposed to do. I will give karting another go at some point when I can. I think the biggest thing i noticed when trying to retrain your brain on where and how to brake so with seat time I would get faster. It just "feels" so different that I don't know if it's really for me in the same way as cars are. I had hoped that it might scratch the "go for a fast drive" urge and let me go 10/10ths in a safer environment.
@@badrsosseyalaoui6430 I mean, you can press both brake and accelerator at the same time of course but the net effect on the kart would be zero since both are acting on the same solid rear axle. So if you braked with the same power as you were getting out of the engine with throttle application....the net effect would be zero acceleration of the kart since the brake input would be perfectly cancelling out the accelerative output of the engine.
If it was a kart with front and rear brakes, then the effect would be like a brake bias adjustment during the time you are applying both brake and throttle. In that case, it would be like shifting the brake bias forwards. But in rental karts with only rear brakes, it would have no brake bias shifting like effect.
Humble suggestion....might be worth do a short video on tyre slip angle if you haven't already? That way, people watching will have a better understanding of why it is you're wanting to get the rear of the kart to momentarily move towards the outside of the corner somewhat (the "rotation" you spoke of) during the turn in, so that throughout the rest of the corner, the rear tyres are at a sufficiently high enough slip angle to generate as high as possible a cornering force that allows you to carry as high a speed as possible through the corner.
Just my 2 horsepowers. :P
Great suggestion! Here's the video: ruclips.net/video/FsB7JhqaHqw/видео.html
Ik it’s weird to ask over a yt shorts comment section, but can I get your snap? You seem really informed on racing. If you don’t want to give out a snap it’s fine, but where did you get all your knowledge from?
I've been Karting since 2015. I started in rental karts and then went onto do pro kart racing in Rotax Junior and Senior. I also got the opportunity to race in F4 (check out the video on my channel). You can message me on instagram (@kartingtips)
2 horsepowers, hehe
@@kartingtips Come to Australia for Go Kart, I want to learn the OZ Karts race track entry lines. Drifting is fun but, I want to go faster and break my record.
TOP Tip for outside karking in wet or damp conditions
Brake but when kart is in a straight line with no or little imput into steering. Otherwise you spin around
....also... in the wet, the painted white lines will often have less grip than the tarmac.
Great video! Good stuff my man
Basically the same you do when you drift with handbreak... xd
I've picked up some pretty bad habits for rental karting by driving race karts. Most of the time I naturally trail brake which adds a tonne of time to my laps.
Oh, is that Whilton Mill? I love it!
Yup, it's a solid track!
Whilton in a 2stroke 🥶
@@jamiescott892 did club 100 last weekend for the testers in a two stroke smashed the first test out of the way and broke my ribs in the second one. Person in front of me hasn’t adapted to the karts yet and I can’t blame him as compared to indoor it’s absolutely beserk
@@hyperz6426 it's completely different, top speed,torque,brakes, grip it's a big difference
How fast do these go
Funny, I don't use brake, I just let go of my Gas for a bit and accelerate as I turned into the corner halfway out lol.
people think brakes are for slowing doen in karting, they are there so u can go faster and improve your lap times... you will end up coasting like a grandma if you dont brake!
So you are giving up kart lengths before the corner for no reason.
@@jameshogg601 Huh, I was faster without using brake lmao
@@atharvsgamingtube734 Actually, I used brakes before; it slowed down and even if I improved my lines, it'll be the same.
I tried using no brake entry and was faster
Electric kart or no?
when i was in karting camp teacher told me that u cant brake when turning wheel, is it true?
Use the brakes to turn the kart in rental karts. If you press the brakes hard enough, you'll actually rotate the rear end of the kart. Check out my in depth braking video where I explain this in more detail: ruclips.net/video/FsB7JhqaHqw/видео.html
So basically drifting around the corner?
No, drifting slows you down. If you do this technique correctly you will not drift.
It's not a drift, it's just getting sufficient rotation during the turn in so that the rear tyres are at a large enough slip angle to generate maximum cornering force possible from the rear tyres. That way, you will be able to travel closer to the theoretical maximum speed possible through said corner (i.e. the limit).
Drifitng is when the (rear) tyres have far exceeded the optimal slip angle for cornering force production. It is a way to take a corner but it is very slow because it generates a ton of longitudinal tyre drag with little to no lateral cornering force.
Do you know of any good videos on the topic of slip angle?@@DrR1pper
Drifting is when you go over the limit when you’re entering a corner. You should avoid that as much as possible to force the car to understeer bringing back the grip on the rears. The secret lies by pushing the steering wheel a lot when braking and applying the gas at the same time. You can train yourself by driving in the rain where understeer is needed to put a fast lap time and to keep the car on track by feeling where the limit of grip is
Whilton Mill the hairpin Ashby
In a rental kart, the answer is NEVER!
But then you're slower
@@FoodJunkieRus I’m joking, but generally you’re not going that fast, so there is some truth in it. Just chuck it in and scrub the speed off that way, and don’t let the revs drop or you’ll be building them back up round the rest of the lap.
Treshold braking
You should brake everything💯💯💯
I see
I really hate how different braking is in cars vs karting. I've driven cars for 10+ years with a focus on performance driving and self improvement and so i went karting recently for the first time ever to have some fun and see how it differs.
I dont know if it's that fact that's there's no front brakes or if its the lack of suspension or diff or what that I'm struggling with but it's very different and trying to drive it like a car I've found is a disaster.
I drive a heavily modified 135i coupe and I'm used to braking hard and trail braking in until just before or on the apex before using power. If you do this in a kart it really doesn't like it and while you get a lot of cornering g force it's not quick in terms of lap time. I found I had to brake a lot earlier and baby it and try and force rotation like you say here but it felt very unnatural and not at all as enjoyable or rewarding as a "proper car" in my humble opinion.
(Obviously, I'm not driving or karting pro and this is just a first impression of a car only driver)
It's because karts have a solid rear axle (meaning inside and outside rear tyres are ALWAYS rotating as the same speed as each other) vs. cars that have either a differential or limit slip differential (i.e. allowing the inside and outside rear tyres to rotate at different speeds as needed so that both tyres are in a zero longitudinal slip condition because the outside tyre needs to travel further than the inside tyre as the car travels through a corner).
If your car has a limited slip differential...it would be like the limited slip differentially was in a permanently locked state. The effect would be an inherent and ever present contributory understeer effect when trying to turn the car, unless you manage to sufficiently reduce the inside rear tyre's grip vs. outside rear tyre's grip. You do this by maximising the % lateral weight transfer on the rear axle.
Furthermore and perhaps somewhat counter-intuitively, you get more of this effect by placing your seat further back in the kart so as to maximise your body weights effect of the % lateral weight transfer that will occur on the rear axle during cornering. But this means, if you trail brake into the corners, you will reduce the rear load and with it, you ability to generate as high a % difference in outside-inside tyre load. Thus trail braking karts will tend to induce understeer.
You want as little grip on the inside rear as possible (to minimise the inside rear tyres understeer effect) whilst still having sufficiently high combined grip from the rear to support the kart with enough cornering force to be able to carry as high a speed as possible through the corner.
I take back what I said about the trail braking part. It's not as effective not because it shifts weight forward inducing more understeer from the rear (i believe i'm wrong about that) but simply because you lose momentum too much driving these karts like so because of the lack of power to get back up to the same speed on exit.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I have a quaife ATB diff in my car so it works a bit differently.
I had read similar about needing to unload the inside tyres and leaning to the outside of turns and such to accomplish it. The knowledge is certainly helpful and the more I read the better I understand what I supposed to do.
I will give karting another go at some point when I can. I think the biggest thing i noticed when trying to retrain your brain on where and how to brake so with seat time I would get faster.
It just "feels" so different that I don't know if it's really for me in the same way as cars are. I had hoped that it might scratch the "go for a fast drive" urge and let me go 10/10ths in a safer environment.
KZ superkarts have front brakes I think but they cost a lot and have a sequential shifter
Is it possible to brake while accelating?
Do you mean with the pedals?
@@DrR1pper yes
@@badrsosseyalaoui6430 I mean, you can press both brake and accelerator at the same time of course but the net effect on the kart would be zero since both are acting on the same solid rear axle. So if you braked with the same power as you were getting out of the engine with throttle application....the net effect would be zero acceleration of the kart since the brake input would be perfectly cancelling out the accelerative output of the engine.
If it was a kart with front and rear brakes, then the effect would be like a brake bias adjustment during the time you are applying both brake and throttle. In that case, it would be like shifting the brake bias forwards. But in rental karts with only rear brakes, it would have no brake bias shifting like effect.
the kart takes a screenshot.
I try to brake the least possible, sometimes ya gotta get creative with the kart and the track