Naniwa Pro (Gouken Arata)
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- I take my new Naniwa gouken Arata`s for their first test ride. these are the Japanese domestic variant of the now quite famous Naniwa Professional.
Love the stones, and cant wait to get into the higher grits, and do some further testing on them
Great vid. I am just getting accustomed to the Chosera 400. It's great, fast and responsive, leave quite even edge. First stone in 2/3 stones progression, just before the Shapton Pro 2k.
Really enjoy your videos brother and your really fast sharpening
Aloha from Hawaii 🤙
Thanks man. I really appretiate it :)
Nice stones and good feedback from the Arata too. I didn't see any difference between Arata, Professional, and Chosera.
Its the same stone. 15 mm version which comes with a plastic case, designed to compete with shapoton pro form factor. Obviously over the years Naniwa has changed the stones, so if you have a chosera from 10+ years ago it is slightly different from the one they make now. Other than that it's all the same stones.
if people wonder why the prices are what they are, ask the hype merchants and resellers who mark everything up for bigger profits.
Thanks for this video . I had bought Naniwa Super Stones (400 , 800, 3000) and am completely disappointed in them . Load up is crazy and makes more work then should be . Bought a Suehiro debado 1000 and I am wowed . Great stone ,imo . Naniwa stones are easier to get in my country . Almost Everything is imported with an effective import tax rate of ~ 95%+ ,which ~ doubles the cost (US$) . So seeing demos is very helpful .
try import them from amazon, japan? thats my plan, hoping if i get the arata 400, 1000, 3k it turns out better
@@Iby00 It doesn't make a difference . I have purchased from Japan and wound up paying even more. The good thing is that you can get what is not available here . But you need to really want/need it . Where I am , it's about control and forcing people to buy what is made here because most can not afford to pay crazy prices .
Super stones are called super stones for a reason. It means above. Beyond. This is why they renamed it to "speciality stone" in the US to avoid confusion. It's an entire line of finishing and polishing stones. It's not a general use stone like the chosera/professional or the shaptons. It's a finishing and polishing stone. You bought them for general use not knowing any better then you wonder why they dont work right when you didn;t know what you even purchased. If you use them as they are made to be used, for finishing, polishing, or sharpening razors and shears, then they are one of the best if not the best product on the market. Next time don't watch misinformation garbage like burrfection and know what you buy before you buy it. The suehiro is nothing at all like the first stones you bought. Clearly you were looking for a sharpening stone not a finishing stone but you purchased a finishing stone.
I got #400, #1000 and #3000 set with naniwa #220 and #24 flattening stones for $AUD 160, what's a great deal!!!
What website mate
Looks good mate
Not sure how much these cost overseas but to buy them from Amazon US they cost as much as the Naniwa Pro.
They are the same stones as naniwa pro, but intended for sale in Japan. The pro is the export model :)
Hey man, I'm thinking of getting a coarse grit stone for setting new bevels, and one of my choices right now is the Naniwa Pro 400 (which would be the same as your Gouken Arata 400). How would you compare it to the other coarse grit stones that you have? Is it pretty fast?
It is among my favourites. The pro should be a little thicker so you have a little more stone to work with. But yea, love the feedback from it. Depending on the next stone in your progression i would also consider the shapton pro 320 for setting bevels, but I think you will be very happy with the naniwa as well :)
@@lofotenknifeworks2278 sounds great! i've heard a lot of good things about the shapton pro 320 too, but unfortunately naniwas are much easier to come by where i'm from. loving your videos btw! :)
@@lofotenknifeworks2278 thanks for the info. How would You rate Naniwa in comparison with Cerax 320 and Shapton Pro 320? Is Naniwa 400 really that close to Shapton Pro 1000 in terms of real grit? I own Shapton Pro, just ordered Naniwa 400 and wonder if that progression is not too small. Many sharpeners keep 1,5-3x progression and with Naniwa 400 being slightly finer SP2000 would seem a better choice.
Also - do You find true the rumour, that SPs are great with hard steels, while Naniwa or Cerax work better with stainless and low HRC carbon?
@@The-Mr-Sz The naniwa pro 400 is a great stone. good speed on it. So i think its a good step before the shapton pro 1k. As for the last question i cant say honestly :/
@The-Mr-Sz First, the Cerax 320 is really soft and not a very effective stone IME with it. I would cross that off my list. Second, yes the Naniwa 400 is going to be very close the Shapton 1k in grit. It wouldn't make sense to go from the Naniwa 400 to the Shapton 1k. The 2k would make far more sense and IMO it's the best stone in the Ha No Kuromaku/Pro line.
As far as different stones and steels I would say Naniwa and Shapton Pros work equally well on the same classes of steels. I choose Shapton though because the Naniwa Pro stones WILL crack and fall apart on you no matter how much you baby them. When I'm working on steel that I know is abrasion resistant I choose a softer stone with really good cutting power, most soaking Suehiro stones fit that bill. Many of the Cerax (stay away from the 320) the more traditional stones like the Ouga and Rika are the type of stones I use. My progression for those types of steel would be like an Atoma 400 (if it needs it) followed by the Cerax 700 - Ouga 3k - Rika 5k - strop loaded with 1 micron diamond or CBN.
In general a good rule is hard, abrasion resistant steel=softer stone
Softer easier to grind steel=harder stone like Shapton Glass or Ha No Kuromaku/Pro. It seems like a paradox but that seems to work for me
Have you tried Arata 5K and 10K? I have 800 and 3K Professional and 10K Arata. The 10K Arata is surprisingly porous. It absorbs quite a lot of water before becoming saturated, but not as much and fast like a soaking stone would but still to a point where 2-3 minute soak is not enough. One of my friend who has 10K Professional said that his stone barely absorbed any water, which is like my 800 and 3K Professional. I think the formulation of the stones is different. I'm a bit disappointed of how porous the stone is, hope the feeling and cutting of the stone would be similar to its Chosera and Professional counterparts.
Currently, I'm looking for a fast cutting splash-and-go 5-6K stone, and the 2 top of my choices are Naniwa Pro 5K and Suehiro Debado S 8000 (6000 grit). The Pro 5K is almost 50% more expensive. What do you think about these two? Or is there any other you would suggest?
All misinformation. Everyone just talks loose like a fart. It's the same exact stone. It's a 15 mm form factor, which comes with a plastic case, in a form factor designed to compare to the shapton pro. Chosera are the most thirsty stones still called splash and go on the market. That is by design. They are supposed to have the vibe of a traditional stone but perform like a modern splash and go. Choseras are very hard but not as hard as shapton pros, they cut more gently not super fast, they have excellent scratch patterns on steel, they absorb more water than other SNG, and they are generally quite friable, though it varies from stone to stone in the line, they are certainly a lot more friable than shapton pro.
I dont understand what this means fast cutting finish stone. The 5k and 10k chosera are FINISHING and POLISHING stones. Theyt dont sharpen anything, they barely remove any metal. They are very good polishing stones which do work quickly. Seems like you should learn more about what youre doing before you waste any more money.
If you wanted a stone that doesn';t absorb water or have friability then why did you buy the most absorbent and friable splash and go on the market just about? Thats what the chosera is. This is the problem. There is no easy way to get accurate info about anything. Its all bullshit all over the place. You just have pay the money and see for yourself.
Read the package your stone came with. The 400 and 600 are the course stones for this line. The 800 and 1k are sharpeners, they say the 2k and 3k are fine sharpeners, which can mean touch ups, and 3k for deburring. The 5k and 10k are finishing stones. You need 1 stone from each category at most for a set. 4 stones is a full set.
@@jeffhicks8428 Thanks for enlightening me. I already have 4 stones from each category. I’ll stick with it.
Wo bekommt man bitte so eine Halterung für die Spüle?
Dies ist eine Zinkbrücke von Suehiro, und der Halter selbst kann etwas schwer zu bekommen sein, aber versuchen Sie es mit "Hocho-Messern". Wenn nicht, finde mich einfach auf Facebook und verbinde dich :) (google translate)
Nice video, but for some reason i cant stand the way you splash the stones
😅 my apologies. There will always be room for improvement. And i will work on my stone-splashing-technique for future videos
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