How to you spot a fake 1979-80 Wayne Gretzky rookie card. OPC or Topps + pop reports and prices.
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- In This video I talk about how to spot a fake Wayne Gretzky rookie card I talk about 1979 OPC And 1979 Topps. I talked about some of the easy things to look for and spot as well as some of the harder ones feel free to follow some of my other videos including how to spot a fake Mario Lemieux Rookie thank you for watching
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Great to see someone who has a passion for what they're doing and offering solid advice based on knowledge and experience. You have a rookie W.G. rookie o-pee-chee PSA 7!! How many people can say that?? Really enjoyed the vid. Brought back very nostalgic elementary school memories "shooting hockey cards" at recess and lunch back in 79/80... much to my principle then, Mr Posts' chagrin - he banned it do to the craziness. Anyone remember someone yelling "SCRAMBLE!!!" and the reaction it caused??? Ha! Had we only known back then what value it would hold today? How many of us held a 79/80 rookie gretzky in our hands well before grading and auctions. Those of us that experienced that time are all millionaires! Great memories!
Hahaha great story and yes if we would have kept our cards and toys from childhood lol we would all be rich.
LOL you almost had me pulling out my Gretzky card that I've had since it was new to make sure it was real.
Hahaha well I hope yours is in fact authentic!
The most detailed video I have seen so far. Thanks for sharing. Really helpful. I did have a question re: confidence around even graded Gretzky OPC rookies. I currently have 2 BVG graded ones and followed all the steps you went through, but I do notice the image of Gretzky himself is more blurry on one vs the other, while on the back has a the beige slightly different on both. Not sure if this means I might have an issue or if it is more of the quality control issue you referred to by the original producer. All other indicators seem to look fine though. Really interested in getting your feedback. Do you also see the two discrepancies I mentioned in your authentic graded OPC version rookies? Thanks
Hi there. Yes the Gretzky can be authentic and “blurry”
It’s hard to see in this video but the Topps bvg 7 in the video is “blurry”
So yes it’s more of a quality control issue. They can be blurry and authentic
Thanks a lot brother! They have a “6000.00” non graded one sitting at West Edmonton mall... that Sneeze though! All that damn 1970 cardboard dust lol!
Not anymore
I wonder if someone bought it.
@@gradedcardscollector3511 me I sell it the next day
They just want to no who did it at the end he give me 100$cash and give card Boston pizza give me a hand sketch and then say sorry
Great video but forget to mention the biggest tell: the edges will be jacked up 99% of the time on authentic rc
That is true on factory cut rookies. Sheet cut rookies are authentic and they would be sharp Edges.
thanks for the informative video!
No problem. Thank you for watching it. I hope it helps.
Thanks. I have a topps Gretzky rookie that I think may be fake. This helped.
I noticed that my card the F & T in the shoots left wording the t isn’t crossed and the f doesn’t either. Looks more like lell. Any indication on what that could mean?
If you want to message me on Instagram I have the same name there. You can send me a picture and I can take a look.
Very good video, thank you so much. I just purchased a 1979-80 Topps Gretzky and I am fairly sure it’s authentic after reviewing everything, but if I sent you a few pictures would you be able to review for me?
@@gradedcardscollector3511 sent you some pics from my wife’s Instagram
I am looking at purchasing an OPC Gretzky rookie but don’t want to be burned by a fake. Found this video and felt it was very informative. Would I be able to send you a couple pictures the seller sent me for your opinion?
Does it have all of the signs of being real? Just watch some more videos .. the yellow dot on shoulder should explain it.
Yes you can. I can try to help, but it’s always hard to tell if it’s not in person.
@@gradedcardscollector3511 thanks for taking the time to respond back. It was a while back and I figured out it was a scam
get a gem lupe thats the only real way to tell
That was a very good informative video. Thank you
Thanks a lot. I am glad you liked it.
God bless you
Thank you. I hope you’re doing great.
Man, is this what you do when you're not singing for the Foo Fighters?
😂
Hahaha I wish man
The new reality is there are more O Pee Chee Gretzky Cards on PSA pop reports now at 8200 total vs 8000 Topps so everyone had it wrong with the O Pee Chee scarcity argument, O Pee Chee surpassed this year. In the past 5 yrs only 2 Topps PSA 9 have been discovered vs 36 PSA 9 O Pee Chee, so the argument that it's harder to get high grade O Pee Chee than Topps was also wrong. Strike two. The other reason why i think Topps will flip in valuation vs O Pee Chee is that Topps and O Pee Chee were not printed at the same time. Topps was first to market by almost 6 months, it's older so it would actually be his true true rookie. The majority of people that buy either card don't realize that important fact. This is documented by the fact player trades that happened during the production year were only able to get updated on O Pee Chee because the Topps cards were already printed and out there. Strike 3. Lastly, Topps did the design of the card, afterwards O Pee Chee did it's own reprint with French wording months later, so that would clearly make the O Pee Chee a secondary card. Strike 4. These are facts that people had wrong or didn't realize. So better to actually know what you are talking about then continuing another decade of misinformation.
Thanks for the comment. You have a lot of knowledge on it. OPC PSA 10 will always be worth more than Topps. There is the fact that Topps doenst exist is 90% of the collectors minds for hockey. OPC does (well it’s owned by upper deck) but they kept the OPC brand going. You can’t change the past. I’ll check out your videos and if you have videos with information like this post I will share it with other people.
@@gradedcardscollector3511 The new people that have come on to the card market don't care for hockey, they just care about only this card. The saying that O Pee Chee is more valuable because it is scare is just not true anymore, so like you are doing you're trying to pivot to another justification to keep this going. I can see why people get easily brain washed into believing something for so long that they finally think it's true. But as a major high high end collector, I want the first major rookie, not one made 6 months later that was copied off of the actual rookie. O Pee Chee is a reprint off of Topps's original creation, that's fact, the current valuation is illogical because it was driven by false BS.I don't care what company or what country made it, it just has to be the first and original. Topps did all the work, O Pee Chee was given a licence to copy their work. In art or anything the value is given to orginator not the copier. But with something like this, where two cards look almost identical, there should be no surprise that the important details would fall through the cracks with the passage of time.
As a company, If O Pee Chee was such a holy company and brand, how could it be that they didn't even have a proper cutting blades or equipment to cut their cards, it might sound cute but it's another strike against a company that reprinted a bunch of cards based off of Topps intellectual property and put French on them. I don't know one major collector that speaks French or anyone that takes collectors in Canada or France seriously. On top of this, those high PSA grades of O Pee CHee are really generous. All those cute bad rough cuts are manufacturing defects nothing more they should all have qualifiers. The so called PSA 10 O Pee Chee are really 8s, the 9s are 7s. Subtract 2 from everyone of those defective cards, since they all have the rough cuts. But if everyone wants to live in a fantasy world and pretend those O Pee Chee grades are really reflective of the quality of the card or they are really scarce go ahead and pretend. PSA is clearly is massaging the O Pee Chee grading by ignoring it own rules. Just because the defective cuts are on all O Pee Chee cards doesn't make it ok to ignore the rules, yes population report will look like crap, but that's the reality they have defects and O Pee Chee didn't have the resources to throw them away and redo them so they distributed to the Canadian genius defective material and of course the Canadian collectors did what any human would do put a positive spin on it and try to make a negative a positive and manipulate. Topps 10s are really 10s, 9s are 9s just like every other card they don't need to be manipulated.
The only thing O Pee Chee pushers can say and not even really is that Edmonton Oilers were a Canadian team, but even there you have a problem, this card is a NHL card, which is a US organization, the World Hockey Association had already folded and merged the 4 Canadian teams into the NHL in 1979 when Topps made the cards, these were NHL cards being US based cards not WHA or Canadian based. To that end Topps is a US based company. Everything you look at points to Topps's favor. But somehow through the last 40 years false information that could never be backup til now, cute stories, inflated grading, incomplete data information, fantasy, has manipulated the valuation towards O Pee Chee being scarce therefore more valuable.
For the 90% hockey collectors that want to pretend that Topps does not exist then you doing yourself a disservice because when it comes to this card and this player if you holding a O Pee Chee Gratzky, you are in fact not hold his true true mass produced rookie card. So don't go around saying you have Gratzky's true rookie card. And if you want live in a pretend world lets also pretend the Holocaust didn't happen. There's no point to pretending and ignoring reality.
@@hbo7390 I agree on the shitty grades o-p-Cher are allotted it seems if the grader is in a good mood or not depends on what grade you get down right criminals
Having worked at O-Pee-Chee from 1975 - 1980, the biggest thing that this guy stressed was "the quality control was non- existant"..! I'll say it again THERE WAS ZERO QUALITY CONTROL! As a matter of fact we called it O-Chee -Pee. This explains why you'll see a whole pack OR a whole BOX that are off- center. It just did NOT matter...! JRS
Haha awesome. Thanks for the input. Yeah no quality control.
I have this rookie card with clear solid lines and words.. how do I go about getting it graded?? It is a Topps
You would need to send it to a grading company
PSA best choice
BECKETT second best choice
SGC third best choice
KSA forth best choice
Great video, I’ve also heard about the oil drop (bottom right corner) is never perfectly centred on a real opc rookie card. Thoughts on that?
It generally isn’t centered. It can be though. So that would not be a direct sign of authentic or not.
I appreciate the video - The card I was looking at passed of the traditional checks except the cut - the card looked to perfect. Also, I came across a 1980-81 2nd year Gretzky card - OPC grade by PSA, OPC stock paper - but it was printed by Topps -
Any thoughts
Wow thanks for this video I have a Topps version that I had HGA grade because the backlog for PSA is ridiculous right now. They graded it at a 7.0 NM. Some have looked at it and said they thought it was higher some lower. Considering based on this video a 6 seems the most common then the 7 I should be happy I guess. Now if I can just get someone to give me my price for it. I'm all set. PSA right now grades a 7 value at $3,000 plus...so here's to hoping. Would love to send you pics of it in the slab for your thoughts
Yes for sure. I would love to see one in a HGA slab. I have never seen one in that slab. Do you have Instagram. I have the same tag there. You can message me Graded_Cards_Collector
@@gradedcardscollector3511 check your PM in instagram I sent you the picture there
Please let me know if you are still interested in selling your card, or if it has been sold. Thanks :)
@@angelatherriault5119 Sorry but it has already been sold
I have a crappy generic BCCG graded 9 Gretzky rookie that meets all your criteria as authentic (great video by the way). Would you recommend cracking it to get it graded by the proper BCG or PSA or leave it as is? I feel it's a a beautiful card but the BCCG grading undervalues it.
That’s a nice card to have. I agree BCCG value is extremely low. As long as you understand sending it to PSA you could get a much lower grade. Without seeing the card but knowing bccg it wouldn’t shock me if it’s a 4-6. So it’s up to you if you prefer a lower grade in a better slab.
I haven’t had my opeechee graded yet but from what you pointed out I’m positive it’s real, my uncle had it since the 80s. But is it normal for the bottom edge to have a jagged white edge
Yes especially in that year, the “jagged” or rough edges are due to the cutting process when these come from large sheets.
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Someone is selling a fake Gretzky right now as "promo" and "reprint". Also listed as "licensed" in the description. Not marked anywhere as reprint and what would it be promoting? Theft from Topps OPC is what's promoted. Currently bid over $50. They spelled licensed wrong on purpose.
I see that as well!
That is unfortunate, if it’s on eBay you could report the auction.
O-pee-chee used substandard cutting blades for that year's hockey, so if you see a Gretz with smooth edges, its most likely trimmed, or a fake.
They used a wire and I agree rough cuts are a good thing with OPC
I recently found a 79 Topps Gretzky in my dad’s collection that is in fantastic condition but still not sure if it’s a reprint or not. Enjoyed this video though
Yes Topps cards are much harder to tell.
Usually the back of the card is also brighter in color then tops
Nice. Good to know.
What about the colour of the Oilers name one is darker then the other ones
Some are lighter and some are darker since the printing process had very little quality control.
I have two but sadly they are both trimmed poorly
Ouch. Trimmed or off Center?
Hi, great video...we are currently considering a purchase. Should the skater on the back be the same as the OpeeChee. The one we have looked at, the 'sweat mark' has only one accent mark on it, where there is two on the Opeechee. Could this be an indicator that a the card is fake? It has a BVG Beckett grading label on it.
Are you saying the card is from Topps?
Have one 1979 80 topp How can I send a photo Thanks for answering
Hi Max, you can reach me on TikTok or Instagram same name
Do you want to send me a few pics? If so find me on instagram or tik tok
I use the same name
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If a card is graded by a professional Grading Company how do they get a fake by them that's why people get them authenticate
It happens. Some slip through or the case is fake but looks real.
I have a rookie Wayne Gretzky card can I send u a pic to tell me if it's authentic
You are a good hockey 🏑🏑🏑 card 😉 person now's alot very helpful
Yes you can.
hello graded cards collector. i recently bought 4 1979-80 o-pee-chee wayne gretzky rookie cards. one of them actually has the word reprint on the back and the other 3 do not. i am wondering where i could send them to be authenticated and graded. i want to be 100% certain of what i am in possession of. i would truly appreciate any recommendations you can offer. thank you in advance.
Is there a way for me to send you a picture of my 1979 topps Wayne Gretzky rookie card to see if you can tell me if is authentic, I just picked it up 2 days ago
Yes you can message me on Instagram same name
Great video man, thanks!
Thanks a lot Kevin!
So i have a question per the back of the o pee chee card. I saw one the other day on ebay that fits the criteria except the border around the skate on the back is or it appears to be two toned like the skaters hair. You never mentioned anything of the sort so I'm just curious if you've seen anything like that whether it be fake or real.
It is hard to say form that description but there are a lot of different ones that are legit due to the printing process
Perhaps look for some of the other signs to help you.
@GRADED CARDS COLLECTOR Thank you, I found out it was fake. I sent the pictures to a guy at a card shop and within 30 seconds he sent back a facsimile of the exact same auto card. Some guy on ebay was selling it for 3,500. I knew it was suspicious. But thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate it.
Halftone... the word to describe the dots
Thanks man.
I have a request. How can you tell if a 79/80 Gretzky Topps or opc wax pack has been searched. I buy them on eBay because so many are still available. Only thing I can look for not being an expert in the wax pack era is creases on the back side top and bottom folds tucked under advertised folds. If that makes any sense. Any information would be greatly appreciated
Hi George, I am not a sealed pack expert. I will say looking for the obvious signs.
Now Wayne Gretzky did come as the last card in a lot of situations so I assure you they will be searching for that at a minimum.
Personally I would not buy packs like that off eBay, I expect them to be searched and possibly even resealed.
I watched your video like 10 times And if it seems like it's originalI
That’s great news!
I recently found a good quality opc Gretzky rookie in my dads old collection and two lines don’t run through the back of the card. To clarify, does that mean it’s a first print?
Some people say the blue lines mean first print but a lot of people who have a lot of knowledge of the printing process of these cards say they do NOT think the blue lines mean first print.
So most people say NO it does not mean first print.
How many cards were printed that year on the Wayne Gretzky rookie card
I am not too sure. There has been a lot of discussion about it but I have never got a legit answer. A lot is the best answer I can give now. It was produced at a very high rate.
@@gradedcardscollector3511 that's the problem with tops they'll never tell you how many cards were made in baseball or hockey or football or basketball
@@gradedcardscollector3511 best bed in the 50s 60s 70s and '80s there were not very many hockey cards printed but when the sport grew especially in the 90s they printed more cards
Hello.. appreciate the great tips and information. One observation is that you more or less avoided much discussion relative to the 'KSA' grading but mentioned 98% of the time either BCS or PSA. Seems like KSA is blackballed often yet their grades seem very presentable, reputable and have a level of service and quality comparable to the other two that you mainly made mention of.
I purposely left them out.
When it comes to high end vintage which I think Gretzky rc qualifies as.
The price difference between a ksa 8 and PSA 8 is thousands of dollars.
I do not believe anyone outside of Canada would have any interest in that company and within Canada they have a very niche market.
With that being said I do have a Gretzky graded ksa 7.
What if no blue lines?
Blue lines does not indicate if authentic or not. Some fakes have it and some authentic cards do not.
Uploaded 2 days before The Great One's birthday.
Really. I should have waited a couple day then!
Isn't that why people get it grated so that they know it's authentic
That is one of the reasons for sure. Hoping that PSA or bgs or SGC can authenticate it. Another reason is to protect the card. Plus to potentially increase the value of the card a PSA 7 would probably sell for more than a raw card.
Ok thank you
You’re welcome.
How do you get the Gretzky card graded? Isn’t it risky sending a potential million dollar card in the mail?
yes it is,so send it to me to steal
If I thought I had a Gretzky that could be graded a 10. You can fly to the grading company and pay for walk through service. So if I thought it was 100,000 or 1,000,000 I would fly to the grading company and hand deliver it and pick it up the same day.
Send me all your cards to me,I will show you how..lol
@@jimw4337 if you have a $1000000 card card ensure for a million and a half and then hope the post office loses it collect your money
Of course I don't have any cards like that
Does Wayne Grekski collect his own rookie card?
I’m not sure
So is the Canadian O-pee-chee french/english worthless without a dot?
6:00
Yes
If it is OPC and there is no dot. You’re looking at a counterfeit.
Fantastic vid
Thanks a lot man
How did you do the video shout outs? Like show part of someone else video?
@@gradedcardscollector3511 download the video then make a clip in hitfilm
@@gradedcardscollector3511 theres a bit of editing that goes into it. I also compress the video after it goes through hf. I use handbrake for that. The video is much smaller which of courae allows for faster upload time.
Oh ok, I only have my phone right now. No computer. But if I get a laptop I’ll try it out.
You’re Mr.tech lol
I need your help please
How can I help you?
@@gradedcardscollector3511 Hello
I have a real opeechee card I’m from Edmonton alberta
very cool and totally relavent!
Congrats man. I hope it’s in great shape.
Its pronounced gret-ski not Greg-ski
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Say Wayne Greksky again lol
You bet.
It’s not Grexky. Damn the way you say Gretzky drives me nuts. Lol
Or how he says o pee chee
Hahaha sorry guys :)
You sound drunk.
Why would you even say that? Seriously dude. Just go away already..
Not drunk but thanks for watching.
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I have gained possession of a Wayne Gretzky card that has matched up with everything you have said to be authentic. Now the quality is unreal and that is the only thing that has me weary about the authenticity it’s just Immaculate condition. Now how can I just run across a card that is saying it is authentic stunning quality. I am not a collector so I’m pretty new to this what is my next move do I take it to multiple experts and see what they deem it fake or real do or do I trade it what’s my next move?? Thank you
Well if you think it is real you should send for grading. If you’re unsure you could take it to a local card shop they should be able to tell if it’s real. If they agree it’s real then send it for grading. I would not sell it until it’s graded.