Kind of a shame in my view that this early prototype tank is being forced to carry L23 and go to a higher BR. If they kept L15a5 and decided to add some of the prototype ammo designed for the Iranians at 9.0/3 it would have been way more interesting imo (improved APDS, likely L15a5, HEAT-FS for the L11 gun, PISH (improved HESH)). Oh well, as it is I think people will have a short interest and it will die off as people go "why not just use a proper challenger in an actual lineup".
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In short, a worse challenger that will constantly get uptiered to 10.3 where it will face tanks that are far better in all aspects than this poor man's chally. Gaijin devs are definitely smoking some strong shir
Call me crazy, I think this thing would be better in the tech tree. An interesting missing link between the Chieftain and Challenger, would serve as a great connection between the two.
There's nothing else happening, the next major update isn't going to come until March most likely. Don't if you don't want to but keep that in mind too
I'm just gonna sell this on the market. I already have the Khalid which is in a good br bracket and will most likely have the same mobility as the shir 2.
It looks good and I do want it but when are we getting a premium from an event again, normal even vehicles are nice but they're not really good for grinding
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 yea forgot rooikat you can have two vehicle "lineup" if you throw money at gaijin lol :D 10.3 and 10.7 have most premium vehicles people use to grind SL and most played lineups are those BR becouse you will face downtiers all the time kek
Ah ok so 11.0 Gen 1 thermal, bad angled pen and just like almsot every single other MBT in british line: LITERALLY FUCKING AWFUL by definition of it having debilitating mobility
Probably will go up to 10.0 but both 9.7 and 10.0 are shit BRs. Have to uptier 9.3 lineup or uptier the Shir itself to 10.3 or 10.7. Then whats the point of even playing the tank when you can just play the actual challenger mk.2 or mk.3
We need an .5 Br so such vehicles can put inside those line. The Chally is nearly slaughtered to death with Nerfs so it would be cool to put him on 9.5 probably like so he stay and can't go down but can go up to like 10.3 Matches wich would be a great balance
No idea what universe you exist in but in ours the Challenger 1's are performing really well where they are. You may struggle but that doesn't indicate a vehicles performance.
@CallmeRoth I don't say I struggle or that the Chally 1 is a bad tank, yeah he plays really acceptable in his 10.0-10.7 Br but all I said his Armor Values are not close what they actually are. I mean the Leo Hull is closely correct the Leo2A7 and T90M Tanks are pretty realistic. Why not Work on the Leclerc, Chally 1/-2, Type 10 Armor Parts. I know the difference between the knowledge of the Armor Values aren't comparable to a Russian tank or an Abrams. I mean does anyone know that a RPg7 is enough to get through his turret ring. But the case that the Chally 2 is vulnerable to rockets with even different penetrations up to 900mm is the Worst. The 3BM42 isn't even capable of penetrating the Side Dorchester Block Armor even the more worst thing is that these are non explosive reactive Armor it's a Dorchester Block to protect the Tank from Apfsds and Rockets which is explained in the Iraq War and Kosovo why they give him the Upgrade. The Leclerc Hull Armor is over 800mm strong against apfsds and on the front plate the 70 degree I think it was angle can't deflect with 450mm Armor protection against the rounds which he is used to so that the Ammo bounce of into the turret Armor and crack. The Type 10 missing his nearly entire Turret Armor and a lot of Hull Armor it's just around 500mm in the Entire Front hull and around 700mm thickness in the turret front and 200mm side thickness. But we have yeah nothing. I mean yeah it's a cause of Balance but I don't understand and don't and never will support the Ideology of yeah we need it cause of Balance when you can actually use a system based on skill for the player which means correct Armor Values and Penetration values of the different rounds against different Armor Parts. I mean even the Dm63 didn't get through the Modern Chally 2 Hull Armor. In Ukraine they needed 6 Ka52 Rocket's, the drone footage showed 14 Bounces from a T90M which fired constantly at the tank. Same with the first 2 Rockets which Litterly bounced off the Side Explosive Kontakt 5 Armor in the Side I mean what do we have in War thunder. Nothing from this. Every tank has a Specific rule in this world. But in War Thunder they play probably all the same exact some have a bit more penetration and when you faster you probably win better cause Mobility does a lot. But yeah I am not mad or else I just say it would for the Experimental tanks or Prototypes which are not that easy to give a good order through other ranks like the Mouse or a lot of British vehicles like the Centurion MK3 and all the Lads with Apds on 7.0. the 0.5 add would be a good option for balance. I mean I have no problems because I have literally anything in this game but for probably 70% of the Players base this would be a great addition to the game.
I mean, there's already better tanks in the tree at that BR. The 10.7 and 10.3 challys are basically the same thing but with better rounds+thermals. The 10.0 TTD (which has an uber round) is a much better backup vehicle than this one.
@luisurdiales3091 well it depends on what rounds this gets, or if it'll have a laser rangefinder. Doubt it would get thermals but there's 11.0 tanks without them it's not the end of the world
No chieftain is included this purely the prototype chally 1 if it was to be the shir 2 A) no pictures exist of it and if it was a super upgraded chieftain then B) it would look like the khalid but the turret would kind of look like a chally 1 and the front of the hull also but you'd see the thing at least look like a chieftain
The challenger 1 is a bigger chieftain… You’ll just need to accept that. Multiple Cheiftain upgrade programs JUST LOOK LIKE THE LATER CHALLENGER 1. There’s a reason for this…
Thats not how upgrades like this program worked though. They took the base Chieftain tank and redesigned it using Chobham armour plating instead of the cast/welded plates. Its why the hull is massively similar along with a lot of the electronics, gun, etc. While doing it they upgraded the drivetrain which was also considered for the Chieftain. Its parts commonality with a chieftain is stupidly high to claim it wasnt a development off it lol. It was really a "quick-gap-fill" tank while development went into truly "new" tanks to save time and money. The turnaround for it was very quick. Like, the whole point of the program was to make a composite armour chieftain, they then just expanded the scope a bit.
@@Jehkosa exactly, I’m not sure what wt is trying to do with adding a 9.7. You either have one 9.7 with your 9.3 or you have one 9.7 with your 10.3 lol. I feel like they don’t play their own game.
@ I don’t get it when i see people complaining about it being 9.7… Khalid is already a good MBT, Shir is a Khalid who got a load of armor and a better reload in trade of just 0.4 of BR 🤷♂️ This thing is on its way to become my new favorite vehicle
@ Yup, i was sad when they sent it to 9.7… but honestly MTTD and VFM5 at 9.3 are solid lights who can easily beat up top tier, add the ZA-35, the Buccaneer S.2 or one Harrier and you get a very decent lineup, I can’t wait for it 😄
Yeah, pretty bad event vehicle tbh. Uptier a whole lineup to play it/2 death leave with it/uptier it to a lineup where its outclassed by every other tank in the lineup.
Challenger 2 is actually a completely new tank development they stuck the name to for political face savings IIRC. I am pretty sure theres documents out there of the military wanting to name it Corsair too.
@@mitchverr9330 The turret underneath the Chobham looks a lot like the Cheiftain and Challenger 1s turret underneath the Chobham… The hull is almost the SAME. Same weakspots, same planform. It’s just a more handsome Cheiftain. It would be like if I saw M60 turret, and such underneath the Abrams armor package.
@ The turret is designed heavily from the vickers Mk 7 turret iirc. In fact it is so different the original plan during the cold war end years (before disarmament was obviously a better use of money as no real threats) was to replace all the challenger tank turrets with the new challenger 2 turrets, making them a hybrid tank for cost saving measures as a 2nd line tank for reserves. You can also do a parts commonality test to simplify it. Chieftain to challenger 1 - 97% commonality outside the drive train and armour. Challenger 1 to Challenger 2 - 3% commonality.
@@mitchverr9330 How is it 3% commonality when then the mobility gets worse because the Brit’s refusals to upgrade the powertrain meaningfully? Also where’s the source? Overall the Challenger 2 (that isn’t a 2E, but even that can be argued) is just an upgraded Challenger 1 (which is just a Cheiftain with extra shield & extra HP/T) with bits and bobs to make it not completely obsolete in modern day compared to the T-90M, M1A2 SEP V3s, Leo 2A7Vs, STRV 122s, etc. It explains why the Challenger 2s only saving grace is that it can reverse decently fast. But then there’s the fact you can’t reverse quick because the HP/T & torque is Garbo compared to NATO counterparts. Better than a T-72B though. But if you need to say that, there is a problem… The Vickers MK 7/2 was a better design than the Challenger 2. The Vickers would’ve been able to carry the L/44 & L55A1 off the jump as it was designed initially to be able to use multiple guns. It had greater mobility. There was way more room to upgrade the Vickers MK2 which its hull armor was at least not that of an upgraded Chieftain’s. There was much more room to change. Less wasted tons of weight all over the place not serving towards protection. IMO, (maybe it’s because Russian oligarchs run things in the UK more than many thought, other than the CIA thought ofc) the Challenger 2 like the T-90A was a cheap cash grab by upgrade that didn’t serve well it’s projected intent to improve upon a previous design. Sure, you have “better armor” with a fat weakspot in the mantlet (albeit this one I think maybe is gaijin refusing to do the math). You have Gen 2 thermals (which you could put on chally 1 regardless). That’s it. Still has a rifled gun, which fires the weakest APFSDS at top tier… Still slow. Still poor gun traverse speeds.
@@mitchverr9330 The conclusion is that the Challenger 2 can’t adapt (isn’t much room to change things other than the gun, and electronics. Anything else seems to get refused to be upgraded), can’t react (refusal to upgrade engine & transmission to a reasonable degree), can’t repel (armor weakspots the size of Texas that never change).
This vehicle is looking fantastic as the first event for the year. Looking forward to grinding it starting on friday.
Cool, hope it goes easy
Kind of a shame in my view that this early prototype tank is being forced to carry L23 and go to a higher BR. If they kept L15a5 and decided to add some of the prototype ammo designed for the Iranians at 9.0/3 it would have been way more interesting imo (improved APDS, likely L15a5, HEAT-FS for the L11 gun, PISH (improved HESH)).
Oh well, as it is I think people will have a short interest and it will die off as people go "why not just use a proper challenger in an actual lineup".
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Shir madness.
@@ToshioThunder AaaaaaaUUUUGH
SHUT UP OH MY GOD YOU DID NOT JUST DO THAT!!!! 😂😂😂
@@NATOenthusiast You're welcome :D
@@ToshioThunder if I’m gonna be honest the joke was really Shir, I did enjoy it though. 😉
@@NATOenthusiast I'm Shir you did.
In short, a worse challenger that will constantly get uptiered to 10.3 where it will face tanks that are far better in all aspects than this poor man's chally. Gaijin devs are definitely smoking some strong shir
They hate British tanks lol
You realize Gaijin doesn't design the vehicles right?
Issue is not the vichles, but broken matchmaker that makes same BR matches all the time.
Just looks like a challenger mk 1 wouldn't be surprised if it is so now challenger mk 1 2 and 3
Given the gun, 10.3 would be EZ
Shir in Persian: lion in case someone doesn't know
Even without knowing Persian it's a given what it meant
So we kinda do have Löwe now
@theralph2247 many poeple don't know this but OF 40 tanks of Italy were initially called lion.
@@ashutoshgupta9410 I indeed didn't know that
Call me crazy, I think this thing would be better in the tech tree. An interesting missing link between the Chieftain and Challenger, would serve as a great connection between the two.
icing on the cake would be a cammo net
I may torture myself through it to get my British tree up to snuff. Didn't had anything planned for the evenings anyway
BR 9.7, not a single other vehicle in the tech tree at 9.7
Nope. Not doing another grinding event so soon after the last one.
too bad
I'd say that too if I did all three on the hectic holiday season
There's nothing else happening, the next major update isn't going to come until March most likely. Don't if you don't want to but keep that in mind too
Il just buy it as I do with most event vehicles
Keep feeding that snail@@InterstellarTaco
Ah fuck, Here we go again
Funny thing L23 doesn't exist only L23A1 many reports have been made over the years but of course gaijin just ignore them and act dum !!
this tank couldnt even fire L23A1 either, only L15A5
@johnnytrigger300 L23 🤤>>>> L15A5
@johnnytrigger300 Theres also several rounds developed for the Iranians... which Gaijin are not adding, lol. (HEAT-FS, PISH, improved smoke round)
@BARelement L23 > L23A1
I'm just gonna sell this on the market. I already have the Khalid which is in a good br bracket and will most likely have the same mobility as the shir 2.
It looks good and I do want it but when are we getting a premium from an event again, normal even vehicles are nice but they're not really good for grinding
9.7 so every game will be uptier lol also no lineup :D
"no lineup" okay just lie then? also both 8.7 and 10.7 are very heavily played, so its more like a 50/50
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 yea forgot rooikat you can have two vehicle "lineup" if you throw money at gaijin lol :D 10.3 and 10.7 have most premium vehicles people use to grind SL and most played lineups are those BR becouse you will face downtiers all the time kek
Yeah, Russian 10.3 will eat this thing for breakfast
@@D0P1C3 9.3 has 3 tanks
All of which are excellent and can easily play at 9.7
@ thats 9.3 lineup so i am liar and you are clown our roles are set :D have good day and please dont respond :D
Hopefully they fix the armour of the british tanks too, because so many of them have their armour completely messed up 😭
9.7, paired with the roo 105 might be kinda good
So is the turret different than the challenger because it looks a little different
45000 * 9 stages....im tired bwoss
750000 to get coupon🤮
i think 9.7 would be right for it and for the britain tree
imo its a nice event vehicle and we didnt get british vehicles for a long time...
Ah ok so 11.0 Gen 1 thermal, bad angled pen and just like almsot every single other MBT in british line: LITERALLY FUCKING AWFUL by definition of it having debilitating mobility
Probably will go up to 10.0 but both 9.7 and 10.0 are shit BRs. Have to uptier 9.3 lineup or uptier the Shir itself to 10.3 or 10.7. Then whats the point of even playing the tank when you can just play the actual challenger mk.2 or mk.3
The Chaliefton
Yay another island vehicle.
We need an .5 Br so such vehicles can put inside those line. The Chally is nearly slaughtered to death with Nerfs so it would be cool to put him on 9.5 probably like so he stay and can't go down but can go up to like 10.3 Matches wich would be a great balance
???
That’s a black hole BR…
No idea what universe you exist in but in ours the Challenger 1's are performing really well where they are. You may struggle but that doesn't indicate a vehicles performance.
@CallmeRoth I don't say I struggle or that the Chally 1 is a bad tank, yeah he plays really acceptable in his 10.0-10.7 Br but all I said his Armor Values are not close what they actually are. I mean the Leo Hull is closely correct the Leo2A7 and T90M Tanks are pretty realistic. Why not Work on the Leclerc, Chally 1/-2, Type 10 Armor Parts. I know the difference between the knowledge of the Armor Values aren't comparable to a Russian tank or an Abrams. I mean does anyone know that a RPg7 is enough to get through his turret ring. But the case that the Chally 2 is vulnerable to rockets with even different penetrations up to 900mm is the Worst. The 3BM42 isn't even capable of penetrating the Side Dorchester Block Armor even the more worst thing is that these are non explosive reactive Armor it's a Dorchester Block to protect the Tank from Apfsds and Rockets which is explained in the Iraq War and Kosovo why they give him the Upgrade. The Leclerc Hull Armor is over 800mm strong against apfsds and on the front plate the 70 degree I think it was angle can't deflect with 450mm Armor protection against the rounds which he is used to so that the Ammo bounce of into the turret Armor and crack. The Type 10 missing his nearly entire Turret Armor and a lot of Hull Armor it's just around 500mm in the Entire Front hull and around 700mm thickness in the turret front and 200mm side thickness. But we have yeah nothing. I mean yeah it's a cause of Balance but I don't understand and don't and never will support the Ideology of yeah we need it cause of Balance when you can actually use a system based on skill for the player which means correct Armor Values and Penetration values of the different rounds against different Armor Parts. I mean even the Dm63 didn't get through the Modern Chally 2 Hull Armor. In Ukraine they needed 6 Ka52 Rocket's, the drone footage showed 14 Bounces from a T90M which fired constantly at the tank. Same with the first 2 Rockets which Litterly bounced off the Side Explosive Kontakt 5 Armor in the Side I mean what do we have in War thunder. Nothing from this. Every tank has a Specific rule in this world. But in War Thunder they play probably all the same exact some have a bit more penetration and when you faster you probably win better cause Mobility does a lot. But yeah I am not mad or else I just say it would for the Experimental tanks or Prototypes which are not that easy to give a good order through other ranks like the Mouse or a lot of British vehicles like the Centurion MK3 and all the Lads with Apds on 7.0. the 0.5 add would be a good option for balance. I mean I have no problems because I have literally anything in this game but for probably 70% of the Players base this would be a great addition to the game.
I hope it can fit into a 10.3 or 10.7 lineup without too much issue, 9.7 is a bit of a weird place
I mean, there's already better tanks in the tree at that BR. The 10.7 and 10.3 challys are basically the same thing but with better rounds+thermals. The 10.0 TTD (which has an uber round) is a much better backup vehicle than this one.
@luisurdiales3091 well it depends on what rounds this gets, or if it'll have a laser rangefinder. Doubt it would get thermals but there's 11.0 tanks without them it's not the end of the world
@@luisurdiales3091 TTD is 10.3
9.7 is all up tiers
No chieftain is included this purely the prototype chally 1 if it was to be the shir 2 A) no pictures exist of it and if it was a super upgraded chieftain then B) it would look like the khalid but the turret would kind of look like a chally 1 and the front of the hull also but you'd see the thing at least look like a chieftain
The challenger 1 is a bigger chieftain… You’ll just need to accept that. Multiple Cheiftain upgrade programs JUST LOOK LIKE THE LATER CHALLENGER 1. There’s a reason for this…
Thats not how upgrades like this program worked though. They took the base Chieftain tank and redesigned it using Chobham armour plating instead of the cast/welded plates. Its why the hull is massively similar along with a lot of the electronics, gun, etc. While doing it they upgraded the drivetrain which was also considered for the Chieftain. Its parts commonality with a chieftain is stupidly high to claim it wasnt a development off it lol. It was really a "quick-gap-fill" tank while development went into truly "new" tanks to save time and money. The turnaround for it was very quick.
Like, the whole point of the program was to make a composite armour chieftain, they then just expanded the scope a bit.
Shir with some hobbits inside.=)
@1:50 Abrams's's's
Where do these people view these 3d models?
Who in the hell would name their squad with something that rhymes with FECES?
9.7? so no it gets no lineup. great
khalid is 9.7 so is some on the south african stuff
@@Slavicplayer2519.3, but the rookat 105 is 9.7. Still with the amount of up tiers it doesn’t matter.
@ The rooikat 105 is 9.7 but its a premium. There is a very strong 9.3 lineup but there are zero 9.7 tech tree vehicles for the Brits.
Khalid is 9.3
@@Jehkosa exactly, I’m not sure what wt is trying to do with adding a 9.7. You either have one 9.7 with your 9.3 or you have one 9.7 with your 10.3 lol. I feel like they don’t play their own game.
In short a Khalid with composite armor
And better reload
@ I don’t get it when i see people complaining about it being 9.7… Khalid is already a good MBT, Shir is a Khalid who got a load of armor and a better reload in trade of just 0.4 of BR 🤷♂️
This thing is on its way to become my new favorite vehicle
@@thibaultdesjardins4819 It is actuality good for a 9.7, problem is that 9.7 constantly gets uptired. And no lineup except of rooicat 105
@ Yup, i was sad when they sent it to 9.7… but honestly MTTD and VFM5 at 9.3 are solid lights who can easily beat up top tier, add the ZA-35, the Buccaneer S.2 or one Harrier and you get a very decent lineup,
I can’t wait for it 😄
whats the difference with challenger 1 and this
Temu
This is the vehicle that was turned into the chally 1, basically. The changes will be minimal.
Good gun armor sight but shit engine and transmission
@@theneef174 they shouldve added a cool variant of chieftain ,chieftain mk1 maybe but instead they added copy paste vehicle again
Selling it for sure
well, time to take a long break from the game
lineup nonexistent
Yeah, pretty bad event vehicle tbh. Uptier a whole lineup to play it/2 death leave with it/uptier it to a lineup where its outclassed by every other tank in the lineup.
I dont play uk so dont see the reason to
Who asked
Challenger 1 & 2 are just upgraded chieftains confirmed.
Challenger 2 is actually a completely new tank development they stuck the name to for political face savings IIRC. I am pretty sure theres documents out there of the military wanting to name it Corsair too.
@@mitchverr9330 The turret underneath the Chobham looks a lot like the Cheiftain and Challenger 1s turret underneath the Chobham… The hull is almost the SAME. Same weakspots, same planform. It’s just a more handsome Cheiftain. It would be like if I saw M60 turret, and such underneath the Abrams armor package.
@ The turret is designed heavily from the vickers Mk 7 turret iirc. In fact it is so different the original plan during the cold war end years (before disarmament was obviously a better use of money as no real threats) was to replace all the challenger tank turrets with the new challenger 2 turrets, making them a hybrid tank for cost saving measures as a 2nd line tank for reserves.
You can also do a parts commonality test to simplify it. Chieftain to challenger 1 - 97% commonality outside the drive train and armour. Challenger 1 to Challenger 2 - 3% commonality.
@@mitchverr9330 How is it 3% commonality when then the mobility gets worse because the Brit’s refusals to upgrade the powertrain meaningfully? Also where’s the source? Overall the Challenger 2 (that isn’t a 2E, but even that can be argued) is just an upgraded Challenger 1 (which is just a Cheiftain with extra shield & extra HP/T) with bits and bobs to make it not completely obsolete in modern day compared to the T-90M, M1A2 SEP V3s, Leo 2A7Vs, STRV 122s, etc.
It explains why the Challenger 2s only saving grace is that it can reverse decently fast. But then there’s the fact you can’t reverse quick because the HP/T & torque is Garbo compared to NATO counterparts. Better than a T-72B though. But if you need to say that, there is a problem…
The Vickers MK 7/2 was a better design than the Challenger 2. The Vickers would’ve been able to carry the L/44 & L55A1 off the jump as it was designed initially to be able to use multiple guns. It had greater mobility. There was way more room to upgrade the Vickers MK2 which its hull armor was at least not that of an upgraded Chieftain’s. There was much more room to change. Less wasted tons of weight all over the place not serving towards protection.
IMO, (maybe it’s because Russian oligarchs run things in the UK more than many thought, other than the CIA thought ofc) the Challenger 2 like the T-90A was a cheap cash grab by upgrade that didn’t serve well it’s projected intent to improve upon a previous design.
Sure, you have “better armor” with a fat weakspot in the mantlet (albeit this one I think maybe is gaijin refusing to do the math). You have Gen 2 thermals (which you could put on chally 1 regardless). That’s it. Still has a rifled gun, which fires the weakest APFSDS at top tier… Still slow. Still poor gun traverse speeds.
@@mitchverr9330 The conclusion is that the Challenger 2 can’t adapt (isn’t much room to change things other than the gun, and electronics. Anything else seems to get refused to be upgraded), can’t react (refusal to upgrade engine & transmission to a reasonable degree), can’t repel (armor weakspots the size of Texas that never change).
i want an aircraft event again