As a British main, im excited for this tank. In my opinion, this shouldn't have been an event vehicle it would have been better as a tt filler vehicle. Also, this not getting thermals is not much of a deal breaker.
It's sad but we still have the chieftain 900/800 and FV4211 that can be added to MBT liner and also the Indian Arjuns can be added to the vickers line to bolster UK 9.0-10.0 line ups
@MrPuretideful unfortunately I see at least one of them you mentioned as another event vehicle. Then, the snail will add one as a premium. Followed by the last one as a tt one.
I feel like the price will be lower than grinding all three winter event vehicles but would take just as much time to grind. (Air and Naval vehicle are very easy to get in shorter time if you play it in Air sim and Naval arcade) Each of the winter event vehicle will likely hit at least 30 GJN at some point, giving you a total of 90 GJN. Meanwhile, the Challenger will probably only go for around 40 GJN.
If the armor is impenetrable by most things you will face, but 3bm42 can go through, then that means like 40-50 percent of the tanks you face can penetrate you (the turret).
The thing that matters the most about the Challenger 1's turret is range beyond 500m it should stop almost everything it will see but at the same time L23 isn't the best long range round either.
@ That reminds me, I’ve been using the 120s and was excited about the turret armor. Apparently dm33 and 3bm42 goes straight through the cheeks. It always shows the pen chance as yellow, but I have been non stop killed through the cheek, even had Leo 1 heat go straight through my left cheek…
9.7 might be a problem as the UK doesn't really have a lineup there. They would be better off being moved up to around 10.0 and given better ammunition - it's gun is compatible with L26A1, so there's not really any reason for it's ammunition selection to be so restricted. The actual production model of Shir 2 was also intended to use the 117, not the 115.
I mean granted the VFM5 is 9.3 and is still good even at 10.7. I don't think line ups is much of an issue. You got Rookiat MTTD, Rookiat 105. VFM5, and this. For planes you got Harrier for fighter, bucc s2 for CAS... The only issue is there is no AA at the BR
Man, these 45K points are killing me and college spring semester is kicking in right now...time to grind the heck out of it while doing assignments LMHO, it only takes about 3 -4 hours of finishing the goshdarn 45K points for me.....
Yea I think it could be kinda cool if they would lower the ticket bleed while a nuke aircraft is in the air. If I have a airspawn nuke I drop them way more often like the B29 Tu4, soon as you get the takeoff nuke planes alot slower plus maps are normally larger.
The biggest problem with 9.0 and above are the maps are way too small, so you cant even use the advantage of having good turrets for challenger 1 and 2, so no matter what they will always suffer... this shir 2 being at 9.7 will be good though, as you have the Olofant 2 which is really good having DM63 105mm and Gen 2 thermal gunner commander, also protection is ok. Having both rooikats 105mm can handle 9.7 and uptiers with the speed and firepower, its not a bad line up, with khalid aswell, the sad part i you just lack spaa with missiles as you only get that at 10.0 and above...
My highest BRs are 7.7 Germany and 7.7 Israel so safe to say, I'm looking forward to grinding this tank and getting into the British tech tree. I also really love the profile and the camouflage. As opposed to the FUGLY Tiger tiger camo, this scaly snake camo actually fits. I feel like tanks most resemble reptilians, the same way helicopters resemble wasps/dragonflies and jet fighters resemble birds. I'm really interested to how the Shir will look like under the canopy of a jungle map. Seems scary.
Its weird. Britain is my third nation Im grinding slowly, but surely (Im now at 5.3) and idk if I want to grind it or not. At one hand Im hyped for it, it looks clean af, but 9.7 is weird BR for it considering britain has no lineup for 9.7, this will be the only vechicle in this BR for Britain alongside premium Roikat 105, which is a premium as said. If it was 9.3 it would be awesome, because Britain has whole lineup there. I might grind it, but I will be wary of whenever I actually will or not.
While there isn't a good lineup to center around this, this would make a good second/third spawn for UK 10.3. Plus I think it looks nice and I'm a collector so I'm grinding this out.
In the game the chally is one of the worst for a simple reason , they aint well done . There is 2 armor plate that aint in the game ... and they equals to more than a 100 mm ...
For 9.7 it sounds stupid powerful. It's literally the chally mk.2 without barely useful gen 1 thermals and.. not the best round, but still an amazing round for a BR. For whole two BR steps down. Like, you wouldn't suffer in it in uptiers at all, but in downtiers it would simply dominate. 9.7 is extremely obscure BR for an MBT, there's lots of light tanks, but for MBT's there's three rn, and if we compare it to T-64B, which is very powerful vehicle for a BR, you get comparable armour (ehh technically T-64 is better frontally, but it has large mantlet weakspot, can't angle the turret unlike chally since it sides also have composite, and angled sideshot usually blows it's ammo), you get better mobility, an actual reverse gear, amazing reload. But worse round.
As I never played this type of events before (just recently started playing the game), what I need to do to earn this tank? Is it a "premium" tank, does it bring additional SL and RP? Thanks!
WT Wiki Links no longer exist for vehicles that aren't officially released gaijin removed that feature with the updated wiki. You have to mod in the vehicle with custom hangars.
What is the diffrence if i have to grind 750k points for non-tradable cupon and same ammount of points for a upgrade that makes him tradable? Is there a exact ammount of points just to get a tank?
so feeling lost here, are event vehicles only for pc players? i cant find the events that say anything about giving you a tank and if so war thunder is a hoe ass game
Because the playstyles of both of those tanks are different. The Leopards can play super aggressive meaning that most of the time DM23 will be fine. FV4030 has to find good positions or hull down where just L23 will be lacking. specially since you will be engaging most targets from the front with FV4030.
Or the M1 Abrams which uses m774 at 10.7. 410mm of flat pen will get through any tank at 8.7-10.7. Yeah it won’t pen the hull of a T80UD but what does? If you don’t shoot the LFP or drivers sight you’re not killing that thing with most tanks. More boring British hate. This tank is absolutely fine at 9.7 and has the ability to kill tanks and tank shots.
Angle pen is pretty bad compared to rounds like DM33 for example DM33 from the 105mm can UFP T72As while L23 has to aim for drivers hatch or lower plate.
@ The L23 does 410mm of penetration at best. The DM23 on the 10.7 Leopard 2A4 does 410 at best. The DM23 is considered to be a pretty decent round. So how can a round with better pen at distance than the dm23 be bad at a far lower tier? I just don’t understand what I’m missing here. Can I please have a true American Patriot fact check this.
@@snooze9738 0 degree pen isn't what always matters Dm23 on its 30 and 60 degree pen has way more than L23 does. If you want to see this in action take the T72A in protection analysis and shoot the upper hull with L23 and DM23 L23 unless you hit the drivers port L23 will bounce DM23 will go right though pretty much no matter where you hit on the UFP.
@ Thank you for the correction brother. My bad for being wrong. I’m gonna go turn on some sad music and play a few matches in the leo and boxer to cheer me up. #TrueAmericanPatriot
L23 underpowered? It's got vastly more pen than the Abrams' M774 round at 10.7 (edit : and the Abrams' is a 105mm vs this 120) Are you high? 😂 If people can't make 400+ pen APFSDS work, the issue isn't the round but behind the keyboard.
@@Blue-bf8lv Yeah not wrong, it's actually a bit worse than the M774 at 60 deg, I didn't realize it was that bad at sharp angles but still : one full BR lower it's perfectly serviceable. It has comparable pen to 3BM22 with a more mobile platform and better handling gun than comparable Soviet tanks (that may get 3BM42 as a balancing factor) I'm fine with that. Looks perfectly decent to me.
Would the Armor more what the Armor actually is in reality yeah then the Tank would be a great tank that is able to work as a Tank and not like a I have to sit back 2000+ meters to fight enemys in a Hiding spot and hope not to get hit cause Gaijin litterly Deleted the Armor strengh the Challenger 1 and 2 Tanks actually have. I remember the Time when Chally 1 comes to the game with his 450mm Hull Protection and 600-650mm turret protection wich is actually the Exact Armor Values from this tank so the 3BM42 or the DM33 cannot Oenetrate the Hull because the Russians build the 3BM46 to Penetrate Western Armor like from the Abrams or the Challenger or Leo2 tanks cause the Early round wich Include 3BM11/3BM15 and so on up to the 3BM42 they suck. I mean the 3BM42 wasnt even capable of Penetration the Side Armor from the Chally 2 in the Iraq war. There are so much things they are just a reason for Balance in this game especially for the British top tanks like the Challys wich means Armor, Mobility and Penetration on Range. I mean its a Tank build to defeat the Heaviest Oenetrator and to snipe any tank like a Sniper put into a Bunker. That was the Idea and gaijin took everything elaway 😂👍🏽
As a British main, im excited for this tank. In my opinion, this shouldn't have been an event vehicle it would have been better as a tt filler vehicle. Also, this not getting thermals is not much of a deal breaker.
Yeah
Could have gone on the Vickers Line maybe?
@Pt_Lacky right after the light tank would be a good spot or right after the chieftain mk10
It's sad but we still have the chieftain 900/800 and FV4211 that can be added to MBT liner and also the Indian Arjuns can be added to the vickers line to bolster UK 9.0-10.0 line ups
@MrPuretideful unfortunately I see at least one of them you mentioned as another event vehicle. Then, the snail will add one as a premium. Followed by the last one as a tt one.
imo the 750k mission points for upgradable cupon should reflect a big percentage of the selling cost of this vehicle on the marketplace
This is how most events are now
I feel like the price will be lower than grinding all three winter event vehicles but would take just as much time to grind. (Air and Naval vehicle are very easy to get in shorter time if you play it in Air sim and Naval arcade)
Each of the winter event vehicle will likely hit at least 30 GJN at some point, giving you a total of 90 GJN. Meanwhile, the Challenger will probably only go for around 40 GJN.
@@TheKaMeLRo i’d be surprised if the shitty brit tank is that much for quite a while
@@TheKaMeLRo Have to factor in the tax as well or wait till they're each at least $35 GJN to actually get a profit of 90
If the armor is impenetrable by most things you will face, but 3bm42 can go through, then that means like 40-50 percent of the tanks you face can penetrate you (the turret).
The thing that matters the most about the Challenger 1's turret is range beyond 500m it should stop almost everything it will see but at the same time L23 isn't the best long range round either.
@ That reminds me, I’ve been using the 120s and was excited about the turret armor. Apparently dm33 and 3bm42 goes straight through the cheeks. It always shows the pen chance as yellow, but I have been non stop killed through the cheek, even had Leo 1 heat go straight through my left cheek…
9.7 might be a problem as the UK doesn't really have a lineup there.
They would be better off being moved up to around 10.0 and given better ammunition - it's gun is compatible with L26A1, so there's not really any reason for it's ammunition selection to be so restricted.
The actual production model of Shir 2 was also intended to use the 117, not the 115.
I mean granted the VFM5 is 9.3 and is still good even at 10.7. I don't think line ups is much of an issue. You got Rookiat MTTD, Rookiat 105. VFM5, and this. For planes you got Harrier for fighter, bucc s2 for CAS...
The only issue is there is no AA at the BR
@@mistermister1890 Not to mention the very nice olifant mk2 as a mbt backup with the vfm5/mttd
So I took the Merk2D premium out for a view games and surprisingly got really good matchmaking so this at it 9.7 BR might be fun.
Ahw man, why in the world is the merk2d 9.7... no armor, decent gun, no mobility... 😭
@ good in the right hands had a 12 kill game 5 with the merk and 7 with the Ayit great combo
@@csii6478 nice. I still dislike it tho, name one redeeming factor that makes it at least decent (it should be 9.3 or even 9.0 imo)
Merk 2D is literally my best tank lol, that and the sabra mk1 is a perfect lineup for printing nukes@@scatmanpro
@@whohashamburger855 uhhh why tho, Im trying to understand cuz maybe Im playing it wrong
Man, these 45K points are killing me and college spring semester is kicking in right now...time to grind the heck out of it while doing assignments LMHO, it only takes about 3 -4 hours of finishing the goshdarn 45K points for me.....
@ same here it takes me about the same time and this is my 2nd time actually grinding a event
Personally I’d just do half the tasks then auto complete the rest with some golden eagles
Chieftain, Challenger... Chiefger... _The Ginger_
I spawned in my first nuke yesterday and as soon as i took off the game ended ive been playing 3 years and still no nuke. im so sad😢
Yea I think it could be kinda cool if they would lower the ticket bleed while a nuke aircraft is in the air. If I have a airspawn nuke I drop them way more often like the B29 Tu4, soon as you get the takeoff nuke planes alot slower plus maps are normally larger.
Skill issue
Playing game for 3 years and bot having nuke???
The biggest problem with 9.0 and above are the maps are way too small, so you cant even use the advantage of having good turrets for challenger 1 and 2, so no matter what they will always suffer... this shir 2 being at 9.7 will be good though, as you have the Olofant 2 which is really good having DM63 105mm and Gen 2 thermal gunner commander, also protection is ok.
Having both rooikats 105mm can handle 9.7 and uptiers with the speed and firepower, its not a bad line up, with khalid aswell, the sad part i you just lack spaa with missiles as you only get that at 10.0 and above...
My highest BRs are 7.7 Germany and 7.7 Israel so safe to say, I'm looking forward to grinding this tank and getting into the British tech tree. I also really love the profile and the camouflage. As opposed to the FUGLY Tiger tiger camo, this scaly snake camo actually fits. I feel like tanks most resemble reptilians, the same way helicopters resemble wasps/dragonflies and jet fighters resemble birds. I'm really interested to how the Shir will look like under the canopy of a jungle map. Seems scary.
Its weird. Britain is my third nation Im grinding slowly, but surely (Im now at 5.3) and idk if I want to grind it or not. At one hand Im hyped for it, it looks clean af, but 9.7 is weird BR for it considering britain has no lineup for 9.7, this will be the only vechicle in this BR for Britain alongside premium Roikat 105, which is a premium as said. If it was 9.3 it would be awesome, because Britain has whole lineup there. I might grind it, but I will be wary of whenever I actually will or not.
Eban...
There is no way for anyone that's job isnt warthunder to get 750k points...
The Chinese bots. That's all gaijin cares about anyway.
While there isn't a good lineup to center around this, this would make a good second/third spawn for UK 10.3. Plus I think it looks nice and I'm a collector so I'm grinding this out.
I'm going to grind it, because I'm with the Chieftain Mk 5 and I want something to speed up the grind to the Challenger Mk 2
wish we got a french tank sometime
Check the battle pass😂
@Thiccron Last french tank in battlepass was two years ago
@the-nm3xn check the new* battlepass smart guy
well the new sabra for the israeli tree exists that thing should be able to front pen chelly 1
Yea its kind of a weird step for 9.7 and 9.3 where most of these tanks don't have armor but really good firepower.
Yeah but not a lot of people play Israel.
Honestly tempted to grind Israel just for the Sabra. I love m60s
the mark always was 45k ? :D or they incrased that aswell.
it has been 45k for the last year or two
Challengetain
In the game the chally is one of the worst for a simple reason , they aint well done . There is 2 armor plate that aint in the game ... and they equals to more than a 100 mm ...
For 9.7 it sounds stupid powerful. It's literally the chally mk.2 without barely useful gen 1 thermals and.. not the best round, but still an amazing round for a BR. For whole two BR steps down.
Like, you wouldn't suffer in it in uptiers at all, but in downtiers it would simply dominate. 9.7 is extremely obscure BR for an MBT, there's lots of light tanks, but for MBT's there's three rn, and if we compare it to T-64B, which is very powerful vehicle for a BR, you get comparable armour (ehh technically T-64 is better frontally, but it has large mantlet weakspot, can't angle the turret unlike chally since it sides also have composite, and angled sideshot usually blows it's ammo), you get better mobility, an actual reverse gear, amazing reload. But worse round.
As I never played this type of events before (just recently started playing the game), what I need to do to earn this tank?
Is it a "premium" tank, does it bring additional SL and RP?
Thanks!
its not a premium and you just have to play rank 3 and above ground
@@deltawolf1465 ah ok thank you! And doesn't matter which nation? Since i have tanks above rank 3 only for 2 nations.
@@gerilac86 any nation will do
@@deltawolf1465 thank you !
Ill be working on grabbing it and slapping it in my line ups I'm a collector of the event items
45k points is killing me
Challentain or chiefter I kind of like Chiefter hey guys it's the Chiefter here coming at ya with another video
im already 12.0 with uk ground, this thing is 9.7 so no lineup and 750k is too much of a hassle for selling on the marketplace, so im skipping it
Can you give us war thunder wiki link pls
WT Wiki Links no longer exist for vehicles that aren't officially released gaijin removed that feature with the updated wiki. You have to mod in the vehicle with custom hangars.
What is the diffrence if i have to grind 750k points for non-tradable cupon and same ammount of points for a upgrade that makes him tradable? Is there a exact ammount of points just to get a tank?
so feeling lost here, are event vehicles only for pc players? i cant find the events that say anything about giving you a tank and if so war thunder is a hoe ass game
I just don't like this is the same BR as the Sabra which has much better penetration AND thermals. Any thermals makes a big difference.
Not sure why you're hating on the L23 when the Leopards at 10.7 use DM23
Because the playstyles of both of those tanks are different. The Leopards can play super aggressive meaning that most of the time DM23 will be fine. FV4030 has to find good positions or hull down where just L23 will be lacking. specially since you will be engaging most targets from the front with FV4030.
Or the M1 Abrams which uses m774 at 10.7. 410mm of flat pen will get through any tank at 8.7-10.7. Yeah it won’t pen the hull of a T80UD but what does? If you don’t shoot the LFP or drivers sight you’re not killing that thing with most tanks.
More boring British hate. This tank is absolutely fine at 9.7 and has the ability to kill tanks and tank shots.
@@DawgIVLife The L23 is fine for 9.7
@@MJA-0330 I agree but like the DM23 it becomes a bit long in the tooth at 10.7.
@@crazyadam9281 The 2A4s could use DM33 for sure at 10.7
will this have a premium multiplier for rewards or will it just have the standard multipliers?
Standard
looks like a meh tank IMMA get it just to have it
Wait is the event live?
Starts on the 17th
@ thanks man
how is l23 bad at 9.7 though its not bad at all
Angle pen is pretty bad compared to rounds like DM33 for example DM33 from the 105mm can UFP T72As while L23 has to aim for drivers hatch or lower plate.
It has no lineup
45k XP, hmmmmmm
It should be 9.3 max...
It’s 9.7 and it carries a round that some mbts get at 10.7. Tf r u talking about the round is bad
The Challenger Mk3 and the Challenger DS both carry L26 and also carry L23A1 which is not the same as L23..... L23 is not a 10.7 round
@ The L23 does 410mm of penetration at best. The DM23 on the 10.7 Leopard 2A4 does 410 at best. The DM23 is considered to be a pretty decent round. So how can a round with better pen at distance than the dm23 be bad at a far lower tier? I just don’t understand what I’m missing here. Can I please have a true American Patriot fact check this.
@@snooze9738 0 degree pen isn't what always matters Dm23 on its 30 and 60 degree pen has way more than L23 does. If you want to see this in action take the T72A in protection analysis and shoot the upper hull with L23 and DM23 L23 unless you hit the drivers port L23 will bounce DM23 will go right though pretty much no matter where you hit on the UFP.
@ Thank you for the correction brother. My bad for being wrong. I’m gonna go turn on some sad music and play a few matches in the leo and boxer to cheer me up. #TrueAmericanPatriot
Its not worth the time , why not play the challenger its only like a few br higher or just the chieftain?
Both are worse version of T-72, which is only at 9.3...yeah, british tree sucks.
@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I actually had a decent time wirh it not to good but the British are ok
you basically get another challenger for your 10.3 line up, its turret armor is very good
L23 underpowered?
It's got vastly more pen than the Abrams' M774 round at 10.7 (edit : and the Abrams' is a 105mm vs this 120)
Are you high? 😂
If people can't make 400+ pen APFSDS work, the issue isn't the round but behind the keyboard.
400 flat pen but angled pen quickly drops off
@@Blue-bf8lv Yeah not wrong, it's actually a bit worse than the M774 at 60 deg, I didn't realize it was that bad at sharp angles but still : one full BR lower it's perfectly serviceable. It has comparable pen to 3BM22 with a more mobile platform and better handling gun than comparable Soviet tanks (that may get 3BM42 as a balancing factor)
I'm fine with that. Looks perfectly decent to me.
Would the Armor more what the Armor actually is in reality yeah then the Tank would be a great tank that is able to work as a Tank and not like a I have to sit back 2000+ meters to fight enemys in a Hiding spot and hope not to get hit cause Gaijin litterly Deleted the Armor strengh the Challenger 1 and 2 Tanks actually have. I remember the Time when Chally 1 comes to the game with his 450mm Hull Protection and 600-650mm turret protection wich is actually the Exact Armor Values from this tank so the 3BM42 or the DM33 cannot Oenetrate the Hull because the Russians build the 3BM46 to Penetrate Western Armor like from the Abrams or the Challenger or Leo2 tanks cause the Early round wich Include 3BM11/3BM15 and so on up to the 3BM42 they suck. I mean the 3BM42 wasnt even capable of Penetration the Side Armor from the Chally 2 in the Iraq war. There are so much things they are just a reason for Balance in this game especially for the British top tanks like the Challys wich means Armor, Mobility and Penetration on Range. I mean its a Tank build to defeat the Heaviest Oenetrator and to snipe any tank like a Sniper put into a Bunker. That was the Idea and gaijin took everything elaway 😂👍🏽