Twisted Timbers REPLACED A B&M Hyper! | Coaster Theory
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2025
- Years ago, each Cedar Fair park released official concept art to advertise on their website that showcased their major coasters. When it came to Kings Dominion concept art, something was a little different. Behind all the coasters in the right corner was a coaster that looks just like a B&M. I was absolutely puzzled when I saw this, and tried to look for any clues it might give us. Then I looked closer at the color scheme, red track and green support, which makes me believe green for the leaves and red for the apples making this some sort of Candy Apple Grove Expansion. Kings Dominion has this smaller Orchard themed section in the back of the park called Candy Apple Grove. Before Twisted Timbers, this land was run down, ugly, not the first place you run to when the park opens. The main attraction here was Hurler, an unpopular woodie that closed in 2015. My theory goes, they would have removed Hurler to make a plaza for this new coaster, they would add onto and improve Candy Apple Grove that would have been the expansion for 2016. My guess is they closed Hurler planning to clear away for the hyper to open in 2016. I don't know what it is with these parks closing their woodies in 2015 not sure what they're going to do with it, but hey if RMC is involved, I'm in. 2016 explains why the Hypercoaster is in the back of the art, because in real life it would have been in the back of the park. Here in Google Earth is the land behind Twisted Timbers where I would believe this coaster to go. Now when it comes to the art, these coasters are pretty accurate, yes, they are a little cartoonish but we can overlook that to see what this hyper might have looked like. It drops, my guess would be it goes into a right-hand turn so it can go over these airtime hills, it makes a turnaround, and then proceeds back to the station for an L shaped layout. What coaster did I just describe, a mirror of Mako, which opened in 2016, the same year I think this hyper could have opened. Could they have been designed alongside each other? If that's the case then they would look very similar, look at the comparison between Zadra and Iron Gwazi.
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What about a 200ft Wing coaster? May not be a traditional hyper but still gives them a 200ft coaster. To my knowledge it’ll be the tallest wing coaster but not sure if a wing coaster has gone over 200ft
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Tbh a RMC or hyper is good either way.
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The reason that it never happened is because of a non-compete agreement with Busch Gardens right down the road. A friend of mine worked there - in upper management - and told me that it wasn't just a loose agreement, they were NOT ALLOWED to have B&M coasters. Not even specifically just certain models that would compete, but no B&M products AT ALL - since they were Busch Gardens' primary supplier of roller coasters for a long time. (3 in a row - Alpengeist, Apollo's Chariot, then Griffon) I think this may have relaxed a bit since Cedar Fair took over because no one could tell CF they weren't allowed to relocate Batman Knight Flight from Geauga Lake; they owned the ride and it was theirs to do with as they pleased. My friend literally said verbatim back when Dominator opened: "We weren't supposed to have a B&M, but Cedar Fair had one in stock, so we got it."
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Not true at all. Otherwise the park NEVER would have been allowed to install Dominator regardless of the fact that it was a relocation. Those park logos didn't mean a THING as to what rides the individual cedar fair parks would install so the conspiracy theory behind this video has long since been debunked.
We do love our rumors in VA, but it’s not true. They just don’t want to have similar attractions. Let’s also mention the fact that a non-compete clause would include more than one independent manufacturer from Switzerland, and Pantheon wouldn’t have been built.
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While Intamin has made a name in the US for aggressive coasters, I wouldn’t count them out for smooth hypers. I haven’t been, but Hyperion at Energylandia looks great. The only issue I could see with KD getting a B&M is that the BGW sycophants will claim they’re copying Apollo’s Chariot.
I think that if KD wants to outclass BGW,they will first open the Free Spin for replacing the Crypt and then getting a worthy succesor to Volcano,what about a Mack hyper?I think it would make a perfect fit at KD
The thing missing in this conversation is whatever Six Flags may finally throw at SFA (#strugglebus). Will it be a Single-Rail? Will it be an Vekoma Bermuda Blitz? KD will likely counter with the missing link for Virginia... maybe they contract Intamin to steal/improve someone else's idea. Will Cedar Fair tap Intamin to just make something simultaneously unique and pedestrian. Like it or not, KD sits between BG and SGA - Cedar Fair's main competitors. All three see interested in co-existing in Virginia, so don't expect something mind blowing... just something interesting enough to warrant a visit.
B&M wing would be a great fit!
Believe it or not someone uncovered documents showing that Kings dominion was supposed to have been the real recipient of Afterburn at Carowinds with a slightly altered layout which featured a inversion over the lift hill like Banshee at Kings island.
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This theory really does make sense. Great job and your videos are getting so much better!
If you look at the promotional art there is no Volcano. Therefore they put a hyper there to hype up the fans and will eventually built a hyper in Volcanos place. Have it un around the park a bit.
I would love to see a multi-launched wing coaster to replace Volcano, may it R.I.P.
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I got a theory. Twisted Timbers was originally designed for Kentucky Kingdom but the cost to convert Thunder Run was too costly so Storm Chaser was born
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Uggh. My home park is Thorpe Park. Why can’t we get a new coaster
how come you didn't discuss the possibility of a B&M flying coaster? I know it's not the most likely thing in the world, but it would definitely spice up their current line up just as much if not more so than a B&M wing coaster.
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Red and green color scheme...APPLE THEMED! 😂 Thats some coaster theory stuff right there
I think just by the artwork alone you can assume it would’ve been a larger hyper coaster, because the lift hill has the same support scheme as diamondback.
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*you can't go wrong with a B&M hyper*
KD is my home park. Can’t wait to see what they install next to replace Volcano.
they should relocate goliath from six flags magic mountain to kings dominion. (yes I know it's two different, competing companies) but it would be nice if magic mountain to get a good hyper.
I think it comes down to economy and corporate budget. KD, could care less what Bush thinks of them copying coasters. It was less money for them to do the RMC and it brought in just as many people as the B&M hyper did.
The question of the KD hyper is a big one but a bigger question is why do people consider steel track with wooden supports a hybrid coaster yet they consider wooden track with steel supports wooden coasters. I. bet the best coaster you tuber in my opinion could maybe make a video about this. Although hunters probably busy fanboying over mako and itai is probably dreaming about iron gwazi so why don’t you make it zach.
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once again zadra made an appearance!
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Tbh, I think a B&M wing coaster in the style of Thunderbird, would work quite well at KingsDominion, but in regards to a hyper, I personally couldn't predict a certain type of hyper, there are many routes they could go with a hyper
Boy I sure wish I knew what a “B&M Hyper” was…
You seem more like a Floridian because you know so much about seaworld and Busch gardens
It’s nice how much thought and effort into his videos
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Uh it’s actually the other way around... Twisted Timbers was originally planned because it’s significantly cheaper than a B&M hyper, so they ran with it. I305 caused a major deficit and didn’t profit as anticipated, so Cedar Fair denied the hyper (the hyper was supposed to be built in 2016, this is true! It was supposed to be built in the Dino’s plot and extend in an “L” shape to the front gate and back!). Twisted Timbers, now having a larger budget, was supposed to be significantly larger and was supposed to open in 2017. Cedar point caught wind of what KD was planning and approached RMC. Thereafter, they struck a deal with RMC to do a sort of “2 for 1 deal”, which drastically cut the budget for Twisted Timbers. This all explains why the 2016 announcement for the 2017 season left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth - it was supposed to be much bigger than it was. Granted that CP brings in significantly more money than KD does, it only makes sense for CF to run with this operation. Some of my best friends worked on this project, so I hope this helps :) I love your content!!!
they still need that hyper more then ever now that volcano is gone and hypers are good with GP they honeslty should have done the hyper before TT and CP doesnt need anymore coasters
I thought the whole thing with i 305 not bringing in as much profit was debunked with air time thrills vid on it and the real reason KD hasn’t been getting major investments like carowinds is because of tax incentives keep in mind carowinds and Kd bring in about the same amount of profit a year
RMC is a good coaster company and also they preserved and old coaster
I’d rather see a Mack Hyper since Apollo’s Chariot is nearby at Busch Gardens Williamsburg
Alot of those Cedar Fair arts look really unfinished. Some supports float, KI's has 2 diamondbacks, and Michigan's Adventure ferris wheel is floating on top of their SLC. So maybe this is unfinished art?
Yeah I can see this theory! I really love Twisted Timbers tho!👍🏼👍🏼
Funny part about it is it took Kings dominion years to even get a B&M in the first place no matter what model it was.
I'm so hyped, sometimes I wish parks would out right say stuff like that but also its awesome to just speculate
Nice analysis. I always thought it was interesting that KD had that hyper in their art.
I think the hyper at the back of the artwork is quite telling that it didn’t mean anything. If they were planning to build a hyper and went through the effort to add it to their artwork they would have made it stand out more. As it would be one of their headlining attractions. They just hid it in the back which makes me think it’s just filler art.
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I keep getting twisted timbers and mystic timbers confused.
I hate kings island/Kong’s dominion and their refusal to not be confusingly similar at all costs
I don't see why Kd can't just get a b&m hyper. Itll be better than Apollo anyways. Kd needs it so Y not? If Kd doesn't do something soon bgw will crush Kd. If they get a wing I hope it isn't mediocre like those old plans.
So we're just going to ignore the obvious GCI in the front that KD doesn't have?
Rollertoast Coaster Playlists That’s exactly what my next video is on.
I think a B&M hyper with staggered seating and the newer-style layout would be different enough from Apollo, but KD still likely went with one (or both) of your options here. Both parks did build Arrow Loopers, tho 13 years apart and vastly different layouts
Speaking on the art, why isn’t/ wasn’t Volcano in it? It was one of our most popular attractions when the art was made.
I would like an RMC T Rex to materialize. However, I really want to try a giga coaster, an RMC raptor, and B&M wing coaster so bad.
Very inserting theories. I'm considering going to KD/BGW or Kennywood/Herseypark this year (after my Florida trip got canceled)
It's up to you, but I would do the Hersheypark/Kennywood trip. They both have just gotten new coasters and have good supporting ones. Phantom's Revenge, in my opinion, rivals Skyrush. It's really that good. Plus, they both have great food options.
@@snuffedtorch3683 Thank you for your input. Skyrush is one I have to ride, see how it is. I'm aware that that the restraints may cause an issue.
My theory is that Mako was originally for KD but they couldn’t afford it so Seaworld bought it up and repainted it.
That's why mako has the signature turn at the end just above the lake.
That makes zero sense considering the fact B&M never really does that type of thing and are the ‘biggest manufacturer’ and require years of planning in advance. That would really sour the good relationship B&M had with Cedar Fair, too and has zero basis in facts whatsoever.
Nathan Graveson no
If cedar fair could not afford mako, they can’t afford half the coasters they bought in the past ten years so that is NOT TRUE
Actually Busch Gardens Tampa was going to get Mako, it was then shipped to SeaWorld Orlando and BGT got Cobra's Curse, a family spinning coaster.
Was volcano on the art?
I hope you read this. Please talk about carowinds theories.
i’m praying 🙏🏼 to the gods that they get a new intamin hyper
Or a Mack! Considering Cedar Fair did recently work them.
aj74205 imagine something like dc rivals at kings dominion 😩
nope CF doesnt work with intmain so it would need to be a mack or a B&M a B&M would most likey happen
Imagine if maverick was B&M blitzed wing coaster that was over 300ft tall
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Okay, hear me out... What if KD and CF weren't going for just any hyper... What if they wanted to get another giga at this park that would be more gp friendly?! 😲🤯
KD is probably not building a Wing coaster like in the concept art
Someone 234 They might, they certainly won't get a hyper at all because Busch Gardens Williamsburg not too far away already has one
Great Video 👍 i Loved it.
Great video
that park is in dire need of a B&M hyper no reason why it shoulnd tthvae one by now a hyper should replace volacano if CF was smart
Kings Dominion fans hate this theory, hence all the dislikes, smh
I for one like the video, nice work
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It’s kinda boring
Imma be honest, every big park needs a B&M hyper, it's just a benchmark ride
It would be cool as a hyper wing or a launched wing coaster
I'm glad they got an RMC because in my opinion B&M hypers are boring
Lets be honest. They just need an invert
There was NEVER a hyper coaster planned for this park to begin with!! That was just a random logo that cedar fair produced for their parks and was NOT indicative of any future attractions planned for the park.
there actually was. it was a morgan 200ft hyper tho. www.reddit.com/r/rollercoasters/comments/hsvwya/kings_dominion_some_former_paramount_plans_for/
they have used a little bit more than a third of their land, they have room for anything.
I’m dying to go on a roller coaster
HarryPorpise wait??? Hmmmmm 🤔
I think what KD needs right now is probably something like a 610 foot B&M and it could be called Intimidator x2
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I wonder how pantheon will affect the war between Kings Dominion and Bush Gardens Williamsburg
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I honestly don't think Kings Dominion will ever get a Hyper, Inverted, or a Dive coaster because you got Busch Gardens Williamsburg not too far away that has all of those coasters so if KD would want to build another B&M coaster, they would have to choose either wing or sitting.
The B&M Hyper in that art is literally Diamondback. Rougarou/Mantis is also in that art. I wouldn't take it too seriously... but interesting video nonetheless. I don't think Kings Dominion will ever get a B&M Hyper. But then again, I also said Kings Island will never get a giga, so you never know.
Nathan Lamoreaux That isn’t King’s Dominion’s drop tower either. It isn’t uncommon for Cedar Fair’s marketing teams to get these type of things mixed up. I’ve seen a few examples of promotional material placing the wrong rides at the wrong parks.
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lmao it’s just a dumb concept art of the park relax
Brandon lol