A 150 years of service man and i thought them having a habit of using the sane model for 50 years was bad but these guys saw the birth of mobile suits and fought every generation to minstuized models
The M2 machine gun is so old that the one assigned to you might be actually used on WW1 On the othet hand, some place like north korea and taiwan have vehicles like T-34s and WW2 submarines as second line or even reserves for frontline duties While I doubt their combat effectiveness in the late UCs, their big size, relatively fast speed and that huge generator could used as a pretty nice hospital ship or some sort of mobile construction base even after the UC 150s
Great video. You can kind of understand why the big tray didn't have many AA guns if in its heyday it was made to run in groups with mini trays and heavy forks. but oyw solo deployments certainly would require it to be more self sufficient than just the centerpiece of a land battleship combat group
1:53 I just realized that the turrets lack a means for loading shells into the guns. In real naval turrets, there’s more to them than just the visible structure. For example, the Iowa-class battleship turrets are approximately 12 meters tall above deck. However, these turrets extend downward into the hull, with the total height of the turret assembly, including the superstructure below, reaching about 24 meters. This additional structure is crucial for loading and storing ammunition, which is not depicted in the current design.
It is not impossible to have the magazines with all associated equipment inside the hull. From there the shells are transferred on horizontal or diagonal 'elevators' to the outrigger part with the turret right below the external part of the turret into a small rotating chamber that aligns with the turret's position and then elevates the shells into the actual gunhouse. Essentially, this arrangement is the same as in a seagoing battleship, but with the magazine stationary and thus requiring a rotating 'connector' chamber to load the turret. However, such a mounting would inevitably create problems with the weight and recoil of the turret because it is placed not on the hull itself, but on a separate, far less massive support, so having the turrets mounted conventionally is just better.
Huh. Wonder where that Cutaway image came from? Looks similar to an image I saw once of a Salamis Class. I knew that the Heavy Fork used its central bay to carry Tanks and other vehicles, but did not expect the Big Tray to also manage that.
You missed that they Heavy fork also has a pair of long range missile launchers. they are the big box structures on twin catamaran hulls behind the turrets. they elevate at an angle on the Fleetmo model to fire. now that you have covered the EFF land battleships especially the Absurd SD Wars ones maybe you could do a special ep on Operation Odessa? as for more ships feel free to do more land battleships because THEY ARE COOL. would even love to see the Gundam Seed land ships as they have some really cool ones.
Yeah I noticed about the missiles batteries but after finishing editing the video (before that I believed their were an ammunition storage silos). As for other land battleships, the Dabudo is going to be covered someday, as well as the Zanscare ships
Great video, was a bit interested in these machines. However, have the big trays ever been converted to carry mobile suits and how much? Also any idea on how many does the duel and revil tray class carry?
The Heavy Fork has been known to carry them on the deck behind the bridge, and the hangar door between tue boon bows is large enough for MS. As for the Dual Tray - since a Columbus can carry up to 24 mobile suits in just hangar space alone, I’m guessing it can carry 12-16.
Hmmm... I remember someone did a converted Big Tray diaroma thing that had the central Siege Guns replaced with a mobile suit hangar. It carried about six to eight machines depending on if you had a pair standing on the back deck of the ship.
For the Big Tray, yes they have been show carrying mobile suits during the OYW, but usually on their back (like the GM Snipers in the Big Tray seen in 8th MS team). The Queen Turtle may have been modified with hangars but AoZ Traitor to destiny doesn't describe much about her aside her being gunned down by the Keraunos. The Duel Tray would have the same storage capacity of the Colombus Late Type/Kai/Antietam-class since it has the tri block segments instead of the dual segments of the regular Colombus. The Revil is more tricky, but anonymous_on_the_net fixed it at 16 mobile suits
It's funny to use the Big Tray in Gihren Greed where the stats says it's a Mega Particle Cannon yet it fires shells. I guess even the game is admitting the refit plan didn't go so well
hey, a question about ships and stuff; what is the actual stats of the Gretty Lou from Gundam Seed Destiny? And in a hypothetical case of "who'd win," who'd win; the Gretty Lou or the General Revil? or Gretty Lou vs Nahael Argama?
I combined info from what was detailed in "Mobile Suit Gundam MSV Collection File" and "One Year War Complete History" alongside the Big Tray various depiction in the medias. While it's not property stated that the Big Tray underwent a proper refitment program, depictions with shell Siege cannons and beam Siege cannons go back and forth (some Mangas still continue using the shell cannons while the beam cannons version has existed since some time outlore), which seem to suggest it followed the Salamis and Magellan in the idea of refitment with beam weapons. Considering that OYW Complete History suggest the Big Tray was something akin to a land nuclear submarine but also that it was a landing ship concept that was overhauled, we know the Feds revised the design at some point, although we can't say how or when exactly. For the AA additions, many Japanese forums assume it's either Local modifications (which would explain the differences), either a loose refitment that wasn't much generalized. In the end, it's remain open to interpretation, but saying that a good chunk of Big Trays all received the same modifications would meet the idea of the refit
@@gundamfacts In other words, you made it up. Multiple sources have stated that the differences between the original series Big Tray and the 08th/Igloo Big Tray is because they are different variants, with no information on a refit program.
@@SuperFeatherYoshi different variants can also mean they upgraded them at some point. The Magellan Kai refit from UC83 is a different variant and yet also a refit of the Magellan
A 150 years of service man and i thought them having a habit of using the sane model for 50 years was bad but these guys saw the birth of mobile suits and fought every generation to minstuized models
Very very long life, and not an easy one for those ships
There are still mig-21's out there. When militaries have complex equipment they tend not to waste it. This goes double if it's big.
The M2 machine gun is so old that the one assigned to you might be actually used on WW1
On the othet hand, some place like north korea and taiwan have vehicles like T-34s and WW2 submarines as second line or even reserves for frontline duties
While I doubt their combat effectiveness in the late UCs, their big size, relatively fast speed and that huge generator could used as a pretty nice hospital ship or some sort of mobile construction base even after the UC 150s
@@iotcchan probably at best Carriers
I love the new intro. Also, may I request you to look at the F90/Formula series development plan for a future episode?
I'm planning a short guide to all the F90 Missions packs
@@gundamfacts what about everything we know from the F90 to F99?
Great video. You can kind of understand why the big tray didn't have many AA guns if in its heyday it was made to run in groups with mini trays and heavy forks. but oyw solo deployments certainly would require it to be more self sufficient than just the centerpiece of a land battleship combat group
I feel this was based on the historical idea of the Ratte tank that Germany in WWII thought up to make. Only now having became a literal creation.
woooo SD Gundam Wars mentioned! Victory 3 needs more love
Finaly, I've been looking forward to this episode!
Glad you did !
@@gundamfacts What's next on the menu, chef?
@@Adam-nc6qg27:06
@@gundamfactsHmmm, I think that could be Psycho Gundam silhouete, no?
Love the line art. Real hard work on this one.
anonymous_on_the_net did an amazing job for the Duel Tray and Revil
@@gundamfacts considering the very poor squished up image you had to work from its very impressive. the Revil is utterly ludecrous and i love it lol.
1:53 I just realized that the turrets lack a means for loading shells into the guns. In real naval turrets, there’s more to them than just the visible structure. For example, the Iowa-class battleship turrets are approximately 12 meters tall above deck. However, these turrets extend downward into the hull, with the total height of the turret assembly, including the superstructure below, reaching about 24 meters. This additional structure is crucial for loading and storing ammunition, which is not depicted in the current design.
It is not impossible to have the magazines with all associated equipment inside the hull. From there the shells are transferred on horizontal or diagonal 'elevators' to the outrigger part with the turret right below the external part of the turret into a small rotating chamber that aligns with the turret's position and then elevates the shells into the actual gunhouse.
Essentially, this arrangement is the same as in a seagoing battleship, but with the magazine stationary and thus requiring a rotating 'connector' chamber to load the turret.
However, such a mounting would inevitably create problems with the weight and recoil of the turret because it is placed not on the hull itself, but on a separate, far less massive support, so having the turrets mounted conventionally is just better.
YES... YESSSSS! LANDSHIPS AHOYYYY!!!
It was time!
@@gundamfacts MOBILE ARMOUR NEXT??? you have had an image of the MA-05 Bigro taunting me as the background screen for a while now.
I love landships!
We all love them (we want supertanks)
Huh. Wonder where that Cutaway image came from? Looks similar to an image I saw once of a Salamis Class. I knew that the Heavy Fork used its central bay to carry Tanks and other vehicles, but did not expect the Big Tray to also manage that.
It's supposed to be from a fanart of a "Big Tray II" that is fully beam based in term of weapons
@@gundamfacts Huh. Interesting. Was it somewhere on the internet I can see it?
You missed that they Heavy fork also has a pair of long range missile launchers. they are the big box structures on twin catamaran hulls behind the turrets. they elevate at an angle on the Fleetmo model to fire. now that you have covered the EFF land battleships especially the Absurd SD Wars ones maybe you could do a special ep on Operation Odessa?
as for more ships feel free to do more land battleships because THEY ARE COOL. would even love to see the Gundam Seed land ships as they have some really cool ones.
Yeah I noticed about the missiles batteries but after finishing editing the video (before that I believed their were an ammunition storage silos). As for other land battleships, the Dabudo is going to be covered someday, as well as the Zanscare ships
@@gundamfacts and the Seed ones?
Great video, was a bit interested in these machines. However, have the big trays ever been converted to carry mobile suits and how much? Also any idea on how many does the duel and revil tray class carry?
The Heavy Fork has been known to carry them on the deck behind the bridge, and the hangar door between tue boon bows is large enough for MS.
As for the Dual Tray - since a Columbus can carry up to 24 mobile suits in just hangar space alone, I’m guessing it can carry 12-16.
@@chatterycasque9594 so what would be a rough estimate for a standard big tray? 6-8 but rather cramped?
@@David7793 around 4, actually
The rear bay of the Big Tray isn’t very big, it could probably carry MS if they were sitting down.
Hmmm... I remember someone did a converted Big Tray diaroma thing that had the central Siege Guns replaced with a mobile suit hangar. It carried about six to eight machines depending on if you had a pair standing on the back deck of the ship.
For the Big Tray, yes they have been show carrying mobile suits during the OYW, but usually on their back (like the GM Snipers in the Big Tray seen in 8th MS team). The Queen Turtle may have been modified with hangars but AoZ Traitor to destiny doesn't describe much about her aside her being gunned down by the Keraunos. The Duel Tray would have the same storage capacity of the Colombus Late Type/Kai/Antietam-class since it has the tri block segments instead of the dual segments of the regular Colombus. The Revil is more tricky, but anonymous_on_the_net fixed it at 16 mobile suits
It's funny to use the Big Tray in Gihren Greed where the stats says it's a Mega Particle Cannon yet it fires shells. I guess even the game is admitting the refit plan didn't go so well
I would love you to explore famous or unknown or lesser known Mobile Armour 😊
hey, a question about ships and stuff;
what is the actual stats of the Gretty Lou from Gundam Seed Destiny?
And in a hypothetical case of "who'd win,"
who'd win; the Gretty Lou or the General Revil?
or
Gretty Lou vs Nahael Argama?
It's the Girty Lue. Also it's a special duty ship designed to be stealthy and fast, definitely not meant for direct combat, so it loses against both.
And here I thought only Zeon had impractically oversized vehicles!
I'm curious on what's the bgm you use in the mini tray segment.
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Could you do the Hazel Gundam soon???
It's a long devlopement line tho
@@gundamfacts a yes the Little quel that could!!!
Thing is basically a giant battleship on land.
When Landkrauzer Ratte and Hovercraft had children
Woohoo more UC things
Where did you get the info on the refit program from? I can't find anything like that.
I combined info from what was detailed in "Mobile Suit Gundam MSV Collection File" and "One Year War Complete History" alongside the Big Tray various depiction in the medias. While it's not property stated that the Big Tray underwent a proper refitment program, depictions with shell Siege cannons and beam Siege cannons go back and forth (some Mangas still continue using the shell cannons while the beam cannons version has existed since some time outlore), which seem to suggest it followed the Salamis and Magellan in the idea of refitment with beam weapons. Considering that OYW Complete History suggest the Big Tray was something akin to a land nuclear submarine but also that it was a landing ship concept that was overhauled, we know the Feds revised the design at some point, although we can't say how or when exactly. For the AA additions, many Japanese forums assume it's either Local modifications (which would explain the differences), either a loose refitment that wasn't much generalized. In the end, it's remain open to interpretation, but saying that a good chunk of Big Trays all received the same modifications would meet the idea of the refit
@@gundamfacts In other words, you made it up. Multiple sources have stated that the differences between the original series Big Tray and the 08th/Igloo Big Tray is because they are different variants, with no information on a refit program.
@@SuperFeatherYoshi different variants can also mean they upgraded them at some point. The Magellan Kai refit from UC83 is a different variant and yet also a refit of the Magellan
Awesome
A Mk 34 Bolo would laugh at these tanks.
The flickering near the beginning of the video. Please reduce the flickering. Other than the flickering, good video.
デュアルトレーは初めて知りました、、、
可惜沒有模型。
Bigro history one of these days or Kararot197 whoever gets it 1st
Nó được dựa theo những chiết tàu chiến trên biển
Oh shoot, I am the first
Good job!
Dang. I wasn't first this time