I've heard about the Polar function, which would be the 8th function... could you please explain that? Because usually, everyone talks about how types struggle with their 4th function, but I guess the 8th would cause more problems, right?
Happy New Year, Frank! Thanks a lot for informative and entertaining videos. Love all of them. I'd like to ask you a question I am dying to get answered. Can people on autistic spectrum detect their type accurately? Do people with Asperger's or highly functioning autism have even a place within 16 Myers-Briggs personality types? I have done several tests which all said I'm an ISTJ, however I am not as tidy or organized as they are portrayed. I love planning and being orderly in some stuff, but I have a hard time to keep my house tidy. I love to-do lists and agendas, but sometimes I never follow them through. I feel like a hybrid of several types. I can't find myself really. Could you please give me a short answer here or make a video addressing autistic people and Myers-Briggs test.
I'm an INFJ with an ISTJ father, an ESTJ brother, and an ESFJ mother. As an intuitive in a family of sensors, that's probably part of why I felt misunderstood growing up! 😂
I’m pretty sure I come from a family of N types and my husband is an S type from a family of S types and hanging out with his family is so different. I’ll admit, I get bored.
I was wondering though whether or not the pairs of functions for different types of the same family work the same or if there can still be some differences in how the 2 functions work together. For example can NeFe (entp) work differently than FeNe (esfj) because of the preferences that these types have for their dominant function? I'd be willing to say yes since i know some esfjs that tend to neglect Ne to some extent when using Fe but i'd like to hear other people's ideas on this
I suppose it is because a RL family are the people the most you know and with whom you spend most of the time and so people are trying to see if all this mbti thing really works as Frank is saying and so they are making parallels to what they know
I'm ENFP and of my INTJ dad and ISTJ mom, the person I have the easiest time communicating with is my dad. My mom and I clash on everything. Constantly. It's like we're speaking different languages a lot of the time. My dad can at least appreciate all the places my brain goes, my mom just tells me to turn it off and get back to work.
I don’t really have anything worthwhile to add to your statement or any explanation for it but I just wanted to let you know that I get what you mean. I am an ENFP as well (at least that what I think, I mean I am pretty sure about Ne Dom) and my mother is an ISTJ. Boy oh boy do we fight a lot. It‘s like you said: We‘re speaking different languages. She is all “Don’t think about it and work work work” without trying to understand one bit where I am coming from. It‘s so frustrating. Buuut, it has gotten better. I don’t know how old you are or what your situation is, but it can get better. Well, it did take one or two smaller mental breakdowns on my part, but hey, you gotta sacrifice something. Might as well be your sanity. Kidding aside, I don’t know if it will help you but I got my mother to really listen to me. Several times. And now I think we kinda understand each other or at least she finally understands that I am simply not like her. I guess that’s all I can ask for. Anyway, talked too much already. Sorry! Hope it helps you a little tho in whatever way. Stay healthy and happy~ 🍀
I am an ENFP 9w1 (962) with ENFJ 1w2 dad and ESFJ 2w1 mom. I developed a strong Fe critic, which used to hurt me a lot when I was younger, but now I’ve learned to use it as a suggestion for improvement and not let it make me feel like my mistakes are catastrophic (which is a slow process because I have two 1 wings - 9w1 and 2w1).
Strange, I’m INTJ but I like ENFPs (but Idc for their future much, so I think I understand your mom). Anyway as INTJ I tell you that your mom, as opposing Ne (your dad is Ne inferior so he is fascinated by it), she fears it for your future because she thinks it gets you out the road and she wants to get you “out of the clouds” or “on the right path” so you’ll experience as few problems as possible. I may understand that you’ll find it injustice because she’s trying to kill your main energy, but I just want to let you know she does it because she loves you and thinks “doing practical stuff for my daughter>>>saying ily” (side note:you “not appreciating this” could also make her upset). I did this comment so it’ll be easier to get in your mom’s shoes
@@kaibear7675 1. His father has inferior Ne 2. His father doesn’t prefer Ni (but Si, and it’s totally different function) and actually Ni in ISTJs is the lowest functioning function after Fe (side note in both INTJ and ISTJ, the least functioning function is Fe)
This is also ironic for me because I too am an INFJ, my dad is an ENFJ, and both my mom and my brother are ISTPs. Though my ISTP brother pretty much acts like an extrovert at home so its always hectic here
I think the loop is actually quite a useful concept to understand how you use your cognitive functions. For example, I am an INTP, so my preferred functions are Ti and Ne. I find the most enjoyment out of going crazy with ideas (Ne) and filtering them through my logical rules (Ti). However, I flip really easily to my Ti-Si loop. I think its why I can be called an introvert; I will retreat and really process details of my life (Si) in order to discover their inner logic (Ti). It can feel quite comforting to be in this space, but it can also be stressful, especially if you seem to be stuck in it. Its only as a last resort, where my logical processing seems to have failed me, that I will switch to fully using Fe (what do other people want, how will they judge my decisions). I think a lot of type confusion comes from the fact that a lot of people use their loop and/or last function *more often* than their preferred functions. Ideally, you'd want to get to a place where you can draw upon your third and fourth function comfortably and often, without becoming stuck in them.
Right, loops help us recharge and get back in touch with what's important to us and whatnot. But too much of a good thing is bad and moderation is always key! I use Ti a lot as an INFJ and sometimes forget to keep myself in check with Fe lol
Istp/intp here. I've been stuck trying to differentiate myself between these two types but found i relate to istp more because of my very "hands on" hobbies. I'm still new to this so would anyone more adept in mbti help me?
I guess this explains why I, an INFP, am one of the few people in the family that really get along with my grandma, an ISTJ. It’s weird because we are COMPLETELY different, but at the same time, it’s so easy to talk to her lol
I'm an ISFJ, my twin sister is an INFJ. We both have anxiety and generational trauma, which often makes us appear like angry little gremlin women instead of the creative, compassionate people we should be. My dad is an ISFJ and my mother is an INFP, where he likes to please people to the detriment of his own interests, and she is horribly stubborn and unable to accept being wrong. Our Christmas parties are fun.
Interesting. My mom is ISFJ and my dad is INFP, so same as yours but with the genders reversed. And yep, my mom has always sought to please others even to her detriment, whereas my dad has always been, like your mom, stuck in his perceptions of things and unable to accept being wrong. As an INFP I have tried to avoid this pitfall of self-righteousness, having watched my dad ruin so many of his relationships because of it. Secretly feeling like I'm better than other people is something I struggle with from time to time, though the feeling is usually short-lived since I then instantly think I'm the worst person ever for feeling that way in the first place.
@@thepoetandtheprimrose3790 It's been thought that mental health plays a lot into the results we sometimes get on these tests. My mother was born to a verbally abusive home, and my father was smothered as his mother's favorite child. If they were given more balance, they would likely have different results. In my teen years, I kept getting INFJ as a result, but as I grew, my teenage depression lifted and I became less rigid and pretentious in how I viewed other people. I no longer felt I needed to teach others, but to help them teach themselves. Rememember: I outwardly am an abrasive gremlin, totally not how I_FJs should theoretically be, so maybe retake the test thinking more about how you handle yourself, rather than others, and see what you get.
@@BigGrabowski I'm sure mental health plays a role in how we perceive ourselves; I imagine that we would get inaccurate results if we took the test during a period in which our mental health was floundering. Taking the test when you are in a healthier place is good advice. As I've learned more about the cognitive functions, I've seen how it's not really possible for one's personality to change. (Let's keep in mind, too, that personalities are spectra, and not stereotypes.) My theory is that people confuse personality with character. Your personality is a built-in thing, your character is how you manifest it. Stalin was allegedly an INFJ, but so was Jesus. In my view, any type can be a good person or a garbage person, because it's your character that matters, not your personality type. And on that note, it sounds like you've really grown yours over the years, despite your struggles. Well done :) As for me, I have taken the test at various points throughout the years, during different stages of my life. And I always get INFP.
I'm an INTJ with an ENTJ father and an ISFP mother. I found this dynamic rather interesting because whenever they have a disagreement on making decisions I'm usually the problem solver that will provide a middle ground (with a slight Te preference). My dad will often tell my mom that she should stop relying on what makes her feel good and go for the more practical option while my mother will not let go of her personal preference. What I usually bring to the table (if they ask me otherwise it's interesting to observe in the dark) is that there is often this "bridge" between Te and Fi that they don't usually see. In many cases, Fi exists for a reason and more often than not the Te and Fi will point to the same thing. When I point that out the problem is usually resolved. Now, that dynamic works out great until both of them insist I should go out more and "experience" things...
Haha. Are they wrong? I'm an INTJ too and am in my mid 30s. I'd probably have more mastery of Se had I had more experiences. I'm not saying go crazy. But start a small adventure and see how it goes. 🙂
@@BombshElle_7 Haha thanks for pointing that out and the advice. They are not wrong at all! It is admittedly more difficult for me to execute because I strive on certainty (at least certainties in my head), the sensory world is far from that which can get a little terrifying at times. I suppose the best thing for me to do is to slowly desensitize myself on this.
I'm also an INTJ, so I want to fully understand what you're saying. I'm having a bit of a hard time conceptualizing "that there is often this "bridge" between Te and Fi that they don't usually see. In many cases, Fi exists for a reason and more often than not the Te and Fi will point to the same thing" Can you give an example?
The Si Ti loop for ISFJs is when we can’t stop deconstructing the past. I often can’t stop thinking about elementary school and trying to figure out why everyone hated me.
INTJ here, i had the same issue when i was in elementary school. more specifically 3rd and 4th grade. i've kinda reduced it to "that was just a kid thing." and moved on from it. it was less "bullying" per se. but more of a trying to fit in WAY to hard. and failing tremendously. not to say that there was no bullying. but the majority of why i felt like everyone hated me was do to the fact that i was trying to hard to "fit in". trying to hard to make everyone like me. when what i was really doing was trying to change myself to seem more likeable. it was ultimately the life lesson of just be yourself. let people like you for who you are. people saying that they hate you, or simply not liking you will always be around. but that's just them oversimplifying something that they don't like about you as simply "they don't like you." and especially as kids they don't recognize it as an oversimplification. as well as it's simply not understanding that it's an oversimplification. and taking it at face value. that definitely makes it worse. kids can be brutal.
Asdfghjkl my ISFJ ex did this that's so fucking funny. I asked him once if he considered himself a nostalgic person and he said definitely not, but he got "stuck" in the past sometimes and now I get what he meant
“Embrace the loop” thank you best advice I’ve ever gotten! People always treat ti ni loop as a negative so it’s nice to hear a positive spin being put on it! I’ve actually had some of my profound revelations from the ti ni loops lol
I’m an ENFP 9w1 with an ENFJ 1w2 dad and an ESFJ 2w1 mom (strong Fe critic developed), and an ESTJ great-grandma (we get on very well) so I completely understand your situation. Stay strong!
Two other ways to group the sixteen MBTI types into sets of four: xNTx; xSFx, xNFx, xSTx; and by Four Sides Of The Mind ... INTP, ESFJ, ENTJ, & ISFP form one set; ENTP, ISFJ, INTJ, & ESFP form one set, INFP, ESTJ, ENFJ, & ISTP form one set, and ESTP, INFJ, ISTJ, & ENFP form one set. Perhaps new video for eash these two groupings could be produced.
@@BombshElle_7 Four sides of the mind theory is a John Beebe expansion on MBTI theory. Beebe essentially puts a different personality on each side of the mind ego/subconscious/unconscious/superego So that makes each person actually different personalities at different times depending on what "side of the mind" they are in. I am a novice but I think that is where people get the "I have Xx critic" or "I have Xx Trickster" Interesting stuff really. A LOT of it makes sense to me for my own personality though not sure how much of that is "correct" for all of them. Just learning the 16 types seemed like a lot. I am an ENFP and that darn Ni definitely does trip me up.... EVERYONE worries about my future when I am not doing well.
@@BombshElle_7 You are welcome though I am sure my answer is not thorough and I really don't know if it's correct but at least it gives you some leads. This community of expansion on Jungs personality types is definitely a sea of confusing information to swim through.
When I started typing people I was so confused because my dominant Ni was screaming "He's like something between ENFP and ISTJ" while my Ti was saying "It's a complete nonsense, they are two opposite types". When I looked closer at the cognitive functions I was SO proud of my intuition because it was right even though I did't have the neccesary knowledge. PS It was after first date and he happened to be ENFP
This video has taught me a lot! It's really interesting how pairing the extroverted and introverted functions together can reveal how differently the types in each family can do things. It really helps you get a better grasp on how functions work together. Thanks FJ for yet another great video!
STJ and NFP are such a good problem solving family. I'm an ENFP and my mom is an ISTJ. Trust me when I say we get shit done! There's a very interesting intellectual connection between these 4 types despite being so different in personality
I think that could be said of all the families honestly! When you share functions it makes it that much easier to communicate with someone, so when you share all four but prioritize them differently it makes for some great teamwork. My brother is an ISTP and I'm an ENFJ, I would definitely say that's been true for us as kids and adults :)
Same! ENFP (me) with ISTJ sis and ESTJ dear friend = never-flagging enthusiasm for each other's company as well as fantastic teamwork. Honestly my sister and I had just one high school class together, and the teacher was forced to move us away from each other because we couldn't stop chatting. We also aced every test he gave. As adults, we have tackled enormous challenges together and are the most natural teammates ever. Same w my ESTJ friend; we have shut down restaurants and social events without even noticing because we are so engrossed in conversations. Our record is a 48 hour long text dissection of early American immigration patterns and how they've influenced both our families and the nation at large culturally and politically. We love sharing books and are fantastic idea bouncing boards for one another. Plus, both he and my sister are two of the only people who make me feel safe enough to share the darkest of my emotions or thoughts with because they never judge me for stepping outside the optimist box. In fact we all help each other grow emotionally as we can work out frustrations together and even admit weaknesses, struggles, and the worst, our own perceived failures -- so hard for our high achieving goal-oriented selves. I have many friends of all types, but this "family" of types are precisely that for me.
My sister's INTJ-ness explains why she's able to spend the entire day every day working on one thing, meanwhile my ESFP-ness and ADHD leave me fighting to keep focused through the end of this video for Frank's sake 🧡 (I still can't do it 😭)
Imagine being a J-type with ADHD 🤣 I have identity crises all the time Sorry not to bring the attention on myself i just feel that hahah. I think people confuse me with an INFP cause my inattentive adhd
I'm an ENFP with two ISTJ parents, it's funny because we are really opposite, but they get me and I get them. It's like an opposition that feels familiar and how my preferred functions are the ones they dislike the most and viceversa.
@@derpkipper How do you manage it? How do you won't go crazy when you have those two sides, I need all the info, and too much info is to much info? 😳 I have similar problems with order and simplicity of my place to study, i desperately need it when at the same time I cannot keep it like this at all (and don't want it in some way). So I am curious of your ways 😉
@@shionrad3122 Me and my sister always fought as little kids, (as sisters do), but once we grew out of it we got along very well, and still do. My mother and me are very similar so we got along as well. When I was younger I didn’t understand the way my father was and why he was so particular and strict, but as I matured I began to understand him more, and we get along quite well now.
this video is so true! i rarely ever feel like i'm on the same wavelength with INFJs, INTPs, ESTPs, and ESFJs in my life. but i get xSTJs. especially when we're both in NeTe mode. my ISTJ dad and i can really feel like one in the same - INFP
IMO, Ti-Si are very powerful together. Combine it with Ne, and the potential for learning is infinite. -INTP Oh, yeah. I guess there's Fe in there too, but who cares about that? (I jest.)
Ne-Ti-Fe can make you great at dealing with people, don't underestimate the combo. It has saved me several times. Tho ngl I do wish I had more Si -Entp
As an ENTP I can tell you the Ti-Si loop can be a doozy. It's like a lot of personal self-reflection. Like a lot a lot. But it's thinking wise and to me it's focused on self-improvement, but with Ti which makes up its own logic it can spiral into making a mess of things real easy. It's a lot of "What my inner workings are doing". And "How do I rearrange them" sometimes even "How do I change them" and "Oh they pulled themselves apart let's see why" It's a lot of experimentation mode at least with the xNTPs. Probably with the xSFJs as well. In short the "Ti-Si" loop is sort of like a big series of experiments in your head where you're both the scientist and the Guinea pig.
INFP (me) ISTJ (dad) ESFJ (mum) ENFJ (sister). Growing up was difficult I often felt misunderstood but now i'm 28 we all get along amazingly and my parents have definitely helped me be more grounded in the present moment. I'm probably most similar to my ISTJ dad now.
How about a video on the super-ego, ego, subconscious and unconscious functions? That would be really interesting, since it'll help us understand how the type that are completely opposite to us are also related to us
I find that INFJs and ESTPs in particular have a lot more similarities than people may think: both generally dislike authority, enjoy challenging social conventions, appreciate brutal honesty and generally go on their own path. I enjoy talking to my ESTP coworker more than with a lot of other feelers and intuitives. You should make a video about the similarities between opposing types someday
I'm an INFJ, my brother is an ENTJ, my mother an ESTJ and my father an ISTJ. Especially the relationship with my brother is sometimes difficult. Moreover he clashes a lot with my parents because he doesn't want to help them ( for example with the laundry) and he never makes compromises. Everyone always has to make exactly what he wants or there's gonna be a very big fight. And I personally hate fighting so I mostly do as he says or calm my parents down in order to maintain the family peace. That is exhausting. But no family is perfect!
That sounds like me😂 However, my best friend is an INFJ and it works great. I also hear you with the crash that happens when my family don't do as I want especially the competence and eye contact fight between me and my ESTJ father😂
I can understand somehow what you are going through, I'm an Entj, my dad is an Estj, we always argued about house chores and that only stopped when I moved out, got married to an Infj, now both somehow managed to find a middle ground about it, doing menial stuff is super annoying for us Entj's UNLESS we can understand that everything we do is like everything we do and by that I mean, tapping on to two of our core values which are performing and being congruent. It is easy to be organized an tidy once as an Entj you make the connection: " how you do laundry is how you do everything" meaning a messy pile of clothes equals a messy set of habits, messy relationships, messy professional image. Something most Entj's will hate to associate themselves with. Hope this helps.😊
@Moon no its not the blind spot. It differs for ENTJs, it's Si and for ESTJs, it's Ni. But we rarely if ever use our Fe...pretty much only when we're in a chaotic phase
For what it's worth, this is probably my favorite video of yours thus far. I love how it was still humorous but incredibly informative. Thanks, Frank! Glad to be a part of two of your families now (your channel and also NFJ/STP as an ENFJ myself).
Haha that’s so funny-I mean my psychological family is actually the same as the real one. I’m an INFP and I’ve got ISTJ father, ENFP mom and an ESTJ grandma🙃🙃. As FJ said, sometimes I realise I can relate to all my family members even though we are almost completely different
SAME i'm an INFP with an ISTJ dad and ESTJ aunt. i keep getting compared to them for some reason and now i know why. we are just on the same wave length
I've been watching you videos recently. They are very funny. I watched this on Jan 2nd, well y'know, it's World Introvert Day. So, I'm really happy as an introvert , especially my introvert friends not just because we're quiet but we had our hidden and special talents that no people have observed it. Celebrating it with the appreciation of introverts in the world, even to extroverts.❤🙂🙂
I think this video can also be helpful when it comes to typing yourself and the confusion that can come with it. For example, when I tried to type myself, I would get so confused when I found other types relatable. I initially got INFP on the 16 personalities online test, but seeing that the stuff ENFP or ISTJ says on FJ’s skits were so relatable, I started to question whether or not I really was an INFP. So, I think understanding families is a great way to help you try to type yourself. The families are probably why I found the other types to be so relatable, and it helped me narrow it down and finally feel comfortable in saying I’m an INFP.
I definitely will watch again as I need to absorb the info in a quiet setting. LOL. But thank you for this. Another concept to bring me closer to full understanding. 👍✌️😊
Lol my mom is an isfj and has been in a very strong si-ti loop for years😳 I’m an isfp that has been in fi-ni loop and my brother is enfp and has been in the ne-te loop. Yeah we’ve had some traumatic stuff happen in our family , health issues etc…. But it’s amazing for us to finally pin ourselves down to our types and understand why we do what we do and how to understand others as well. FJ you have been quite instrumental in that process so thank you🥰
same i'm also an infp with an ESFJ mom!! it's rlly interesting how each of your family members are part of different quadras. my dad is an ISTJ so we're in the same one but other than that, my sis is ESTP and my mom is ESFJ. i barely know any xSFPs or xNTJs
Si-Ti loop based one's thinking on what has been done/observed already making it safety/past focused. on the other hand Ne-Fe loop based other's feeling on what can be or the collective unconscious. The primary and tertiary functions are "optimistic" in how they process/perceive things, especially the third that's why its referred as the "child" function. Meanwhile the secondary and inferior functions balances the personality with its "pessimistic" approach; the secondary "parent" function takes care of the "child" and advices the primary to not go overboard while the inferior feeds off what the primary is greatly capable off. "Embracing the loop" makes the person overly optimistic or pessimistic depending on the loop one is engaging. The key is the balance between the two loops within the primary cognitive stack. As an example, an ISFJ primary Si benefits the Ne inferior so that it is no longer afraid of what the future might bring because it already observed, prepared and disciplined itself with Si allowing an ISFJ to transition into an ENTP temporarily. The Ti child boast itself of knowing what the truth of the matter is but Fe parent is there to ensure that the child does not become condescending and be of service to others bringing about the ISFJ's sense of responsibility.
I'm an INTP, my sister is INTP, my other sister is INFP, my twin brother is INTP, 2 of my brothers are INFJ and I have no idea which my 3 sisters + my father are but oh well. Pretty sure we all are INxx.
I'm an INTP too, but with an ESFJ mom, and the rest of the family, not sure what they are, but pretty sure extroverted. I can't even imagine the kind of harmony and understanding you have with your family, but it sure sounds nice
This is super interesting! I'm INFP, my mom is ESTJ, my fiance is ISTJ (He's the most understanding and loving person I've known) and his brother is ENFP (the most authentic and funny person I've known). I feel really at ease just being or talking to them (it also hapens with my INTP best friend tho) xD of course It's sometimes harder with my mom cause you know, opposite types, she worries that I'm lazy and isolated when actually I'm not (not on a healthy level at least, I know myself and my intentions), but she doesn't understand. She worries unnecessarily and that's annoying/stressing, but I love her a lot and I think she's really wise and funny. Anyways, I just relate and can confirm with my real experiences with different tipes that it's nice to be with people on the same family :) (Also I think the INFP + ISTJ pair is underrated xD)
Really cool video for describing the families, I didn't feel like you addressed why these are useful grouping or how the function pairs actually relate to/manifest in the types, e.g. talking about how ESFJ and INTP are actually related with concrete examples, because under the basic understanding of mbti, these types are opposites by definition.
Yeah i agree, it would've been good to have at least a few examples in which these similarities can manifest themselves. It's hard to explain everything thoroughly though, it's still an interesting video that serves more as a basic introduction to the families. Nice pfp btw, in rainbows is underrated
It would be great if the families had names to help describe them, like the Kiersey temperaments, (guardian, rational, idealist and artisan) though those are grouped differently I believe. I guess that's what the quadras alpha, beta etc. are doing but I don't find those names as useful as it feels like the families are being ranked rather than described for their individual qualities.
Now I get why I am so weird and also compatible with very weird people just like me. Me being an INTJ, hates to deal with feelings. Also me being an INTJ, constantly crushing over some ISFP dude.
Hey! Im an ENFP with ISFJ n ESFJ parents n an INFJ bff😃 A lot of my frnds r frm other families. I've been observing them fr quite sm time ... guess I cud become a quadra chameleon n fool ppl into thinking tht im their type😜
You know what, FJ? You surprisingly surpassed my expectations for the quality of your observations and categorization. Yes, I have observed the same patterns that you do and came to the conclusion that types represent different parts or aspects of reality based on the elementals theory. However, I was not able to categorize them as properly based on their functions. I still struggle with that because I doubt the current stack and try to deconstruct the premises untill I get to correct information. However, the format of your observations do fit with the current categories and stereotypes of the types. But I don't think necessarily that this is their actual functioning as well. I do think that instead, there may be some elements that we are not aware of and that changes the dynamic completely. For instance, if we go by Jung where introverts and extroverts are locked in their respective orientations, the whole mbty stack falls apart and we need a new way of organizing them. So if indeed I'm an INTJ, the difference between the Ni-Ti of INFJs and Ni-Fi of the INTJs is the difference between forming categories Ni-Ti for INFJs and establishing the rules for such categories Ni-Fi of INTJs. Thus, an INFJ works by the rules that are already inside a system and organize based on that, Ni-Ti. However, an INTJ would make his own rules or criterias and then struggle to organize them because it would essentially need to make a complelty different hierarchy Ni-Fi. Which makes me wonder, is the INFJ more closer to an INTJ or is it the INFP? What is the criteria for which types are more similar? Is it their temperament or their domminant? If that's the case, the temperament between an INFJ and INTJ is different, but their domminant is the same. Socionics states that the domminant is the most important function of the ego. If that's the case, then that means that Ni domminants should be more similar than they would be with different types. But at the same time, based on the Quadra and your video, types seem to be more different even if they share the same domminant function. Thus making the socionics assumption to be flawed. So what is the truth here? Also, how do we know that an INFJ is locked only to an Fe-Se framework and can't use Fe-Ne? You yourself in this video talked not only about people but also made peculiar intuitive jokes which relate more to Fe-Ne than Fe-Se. So can we really say that an INFJ actually uses more a sensing function than an intutive one? Especially when the former is his inferior, Se? If that's the case, then the same would apply to an INTJ as well. An INTJ as an intuitive would be more able to use intuition than sensing. Therfore, making intuitive guesses Te-Ne, and maybe then if he's more conscious of his inferior Se, to have evidence to back this up as well Te-Se. But we all know what Jung said about Ni domminants. That we are some kind of crackheads. If anything, that reject the hypothesis that an INTJ as Ni domminant would be able to deliver concrete Te-Se proof and not some intuitive Te-Ne extrapolations based on the data. Also, not to mention that all of this is based on the premise that I started of, that of Ti being categorization and Fi being the rules or principles. However, it could be the case that Fi is categorization and Ti is the logical principles. Or that even Te could be categorization. After all, the stereotypes show more that Te is about categorization than Ti. So wouldn't that then mean that maybe an INFP is better at categorizing because it uses Te instead of Ti? So, again, what is the truth?
The Truth is that we won't know the Truth till you and I are long gone from this planet... though we can definitely have fun trying to know. Ok Don't mind me. I just like being like one of those treasure trolls that you might get good luck by stroking her hair. All I know is that I drove my INTJ 15 year partner to tear out his hair with my Ne.
The INxJs have the opposite issue that I have as an ENFP. INxJs are so set on establishing their truths that they do not allow themselves to have faith. They have an amazing skill at seeing the future for themselves and the path to get there that Ne is SCARY. Because Ne contains all the possible futures, I myself, do not see a set future infront of me and have to have faith that no matter which future will lay in my past it will be an acceptable one. Once an InxJ can have this faith in their future, then maybe they can start to Ne-Fe/Te loop.
Also Ne is not just some sort of extrapolation. An extrapolation by definition is an estimate or conclusion based on data. Ne is none of this. Ne is like having an ocean of a world in front of you and comparing and contrasting that world with itself and any other Ocean that you can imagine. Ne is filled with shinning objects that one can grab on to pull in front of them to examine....maybe grabbing as many of them as they can hold onto to examine... but by grabbing onto these shiny objects to examine them there is a force that has "been created" that pulls that objects up and away from you back into the ocean and if you don't keep track of it as it goes away, it may be lost.... though there are countless objects to grab your attention next.... and Si has memory of all that it has once held in its hands... an inprint of sorts to remember it by....... That experience is nothing like what I see on the faces of INxJs
Omg, thank you! This actually makes so much sense... as an INFP, I've kinda been wondering for some time how my own personal dynamics actually relate to the system of this personality type in general, and sometimes it can appear a little strange to me, but I've never looked at things that way, the pairing of each cognitive functions as how they process as the introverted world and the extroverted world (in my case Fi-Si and Ne-Te respectively), and seeing that just makes things look clearer, more organized, more...making sense, in the way I experience myself. Also you have the best way of explaining the cognitive function Ni as far as I've come across to! Really love this vid♥️, it's a new way I found of looking at things, thank you!♡∼
INFJ here. My uncle is an ISTP. I'm rather distant with him because we don't view the world the same way, and our core values are different. I live with my mom and a few relatives on her side, including my said uncle. Whenever we talk about vital things, me and my uncle, most of the time, shares the same ideas and goals. The only difference is that he delivers it bluntly, I deliver it respectfully.
This was very helpful since I was already pondering the Si and Te overlap of my ENFP brother, ESTJ father, INFP friend and ISTJ colleague. Also my ENFP brother: "I think I want to be an ISTP today because "Virtuoso" sounds cool and I am soooo introverted, you can change right?" The two of us taking a walk and talking MBTI was basically an extended cut of Dear Kristin`s video on Ne vs Ni in real life (I am INTJ) 😂
I’ve overthought my personality type into complete nonsense at this point. I am either: 1) an INTP who has really developed her Fe over time, 2) an INFP, 3) a socially anxious ENFP or 4) an ISTJ with ADHD because that would be an interesting thing to consider. I thought I was an INFJ but I use Ne. I’d love to say this video cleared it right up but my brain is hellbent on making it more confusing.
what is the goal of your F and T, to serve yourself or to serve others? when processing things, are you doing it with your nuanced personal morals and values in mind, or your nuanced personal logical framework? is your F or T detached from the self? are you willing to make F or T compromises as long as it helps people? example: Te won't need to get the full truth as long as it gets the job done. Ti isn't okay with these holes and inconsistency and needs to satisfy that to move on Fe doesn't need to follow its heart as long as people are pleased with it. Fi isn't okay with moral ambiguity and self-dishonesty and needs to satisfy that to move on
HAHA I think you have taken two-type Timmy to the extreme! Now that I have seen those videos, all I can see when people say they cant figure out their type is Timmy dancing. Thanks for the image. I love it!
I wonder are you able to know your enneagram? I feel for you when trying to figure out my enneagram. It appears that I am a void 3 so I am not sure if that makes me a 3 since that is the only one that stands out to be what I am definitely NOT. I feel like I have cycled that enneagram several times already had it rephrased to me in multiple ways, taken test after test that just equal-weight it. Reminds me of a test I took in 7th grade for whether I was right brained or left brained and they made me take it several times till the results came out to not be equal-weighted.
Which also actually reminds me of that dancing girl illusion that you are supposed to be able to see spinning one way or the other depending if you are right brained or left brained and I can make her do the can-can dance if I want to. Of course no one can see it but me though. I wonder if you can switch your cognitive functions around fast like I can with my right/left brain
Reposting this comment that RUclips removed for some reason: As an INFP, building a life is, from the Fi-Si perspective, a lot like writing a novel, where I want to make sure everything is connected with what came before, all developments feel organic, there are identifiable themes and trajectories, there are lessons to be learned, and there are repeated motifs and some level of style consistency to help it all cohere. Ideally, I'd like the novel to be beautiful, meaningful, and emotionally impactful. From the Ne-Te perspective, there is an impetus to do a lot of exploring and perspective-taking, take in a lot of information and ideas, consider all the possibilities before drawing any conclusions or making any decisions, and build a very holistic, big-picture understanding of objective reality. It's also worth noting that, unless their Te is suppressed, INFPs tend to have a lot of respect for science and facts. But every type is somewhat unique in the way they use the functions, and other types with the same functions don't necessarily use them the same way. The types are more than the sum of their cognitive functions, and I maintain that there are types with different functions that I connect and communicate with more easily than some of the ones in my 'family'.
That's true. ESTPs seems chaotic but I always felt we were talking the same thing vut with different priorities. Now with ESTJs for exemple it feels we don't live in the same world, we always need to be really shallow and have small talk because if we go 10cm deeper we will have a little Armageddon... This Holiday Season with elections next year was all about this. I heard about quadras looking for Socionics, why they use INFp for INFJ and INFj for INFP for example? I never understood that. I would appreciate a video with 8 functions as inferior, like the key to evolution
Ni and Ti works well together. I get an idea from facts, data, theories, and observations (Ni), then hone it to something logical and presentable (Ti).
ESTJs are surely the most different type with me (INFP). The types differing the most with each other belong in the same family, as a rule. Thought-provoking. I don't think my communication with ESTJs is the easiers: it's the hardest among all types.
INFJ with ESFJ Father, ESTJ mother. yea..They got divorced when I was young so, it's not like they can hold it against me if I can't "get along" but I wish I could
THANK YOU FOR INTRODUCING ME TO SOCIONICS I'm reinvigorated by the different perspective on Cognitive Functions ("Information Elements" in this theory) & their version of the Stack ("Blocks" or "Model A") makes total sense to me & gives me a less ambiguous, more painfully forthright, evaluation on how Shadow Functions (ID & Super Ego Blocks) motivates me to act like an effing weirdo Note for those who are wanting to connect to Socionics via their type: it's a different system & not always directly translatable from MBTI. You'll ultimately want to determine your Model A Type based on your understanding of your personal Cognitive Functions. But in general, E××J & E××P essentially share the same stack order as their MBTI, while I××J & I××P have to flip their J/P to get the same MBTI stack order (I××J = I××P & I××P = I××J). Also, there seems to be a totally different acronym system too. It's really fun, thanks FJ
late to this, but it is WILD to hear my own thought processes described so well. INTP here, can I steal some of this for my next interview? Holy cow 😳🤔
i love how this comment section is talking about actual families rather than the type groups shown in the video, but that's fair since it uses the same word anyway lol
The understanding the types in your language family is so true for me! Like, currently I think I'm an ENFJ (though I'm still on the fence), my siblings are ISTP (almost certain), ISFP (65%, sure), and ESFP (no doubt about it), I find that I understand my ISTP brother more than any of my other siblings can, and that my ISFP and ESFP siblings seem to connect and just vibe together the most. I think of in terms who gets along the least, it would be my ISTP sibling and my ISFP sibling and me and my ESFP sibling, though, they all annoy me a lot to be honest, but that's life lol
I am an ENTP with ISTJ mother and my dad is INTJ. My mum and I are just connected with that string of thinking 😂 . It’s hard sometimes, both of my parents are introverted ... I got bored like hell in lockdown...
A set of families arranged by the directions of the cognitive functions would present another interesting discussion. For example, ISFP, ISTP, INFP, and INTP persons have their perceptive functions extraverted and their judging functions introverted. This arrangement makes attractive sense because perceptions come from outside the brain, and decision-making judgment happens inside the brain, so an extraverted source of perceptions and an introverted source of judging seems to present less confusion for the cognitive activities of these individuals. Other sets of four types have different cognitive function direction pairs, leading potentially to more confusion about the comings and goings of data about the world and an individual’s interactions with that data. Sorting out all of these details is not a trivial task, and requires careful observation and analysis.
Me - INFJ my sister INTJ my mom- ENFJ.... my father -ESTP (i guess) Inft enfj intj - it quite balancing... But My father is the odd one out among us unfortunatly😅 Note: i love my father a lot anyway😌
I'm an ISFP and I personally tend to use Ni and Te when in a work environment, I don't like it very much and makes me stressed with all the thinking going on whitch right now in my life in in highschool and because of all the online school I stop doing work as I really hate all the logical and unaesthetic thinking but now I'm in highschool and I am stuck in a rabbit hole as now I don't do any work and when I try to all the thinking makes me very stressed and when I get stressed I get dissociated whitch for me personally is very scary. Anyways when I'm at home or in a social environment I use Se and Fi it's very comfortable for me whitch is why I like to talk to people or be at home, I can just simmer in my feelings and chill not having a care in the world, that's another thing about the online school when I'm at home in my Se Fi environment and like I just said when I'm there I don't have a care in the world so I just didn't give af about school and just relaxed
Thanks for watching! Let me know any questions you have about personality types in the comments below!
I've heard about the Polar function, which would be the 8th function... could you please explain that? Because usually, everyone talks about how types struggle with their 4th function, but I guess the 8th would cause more problems, right?
So every personality type has their opposite type as a personality family member. Guess they're really not quite opposite types then?
I’m an INFJ with an ENFJ mother, ESTP stepdad, ESTJ dad, and an ESFP brother. I’m so misunderstood and judged that it’s ridiculous.
Happy New Year, Frank! Thanks a lot for informative and entertaining videos. Love all of them. I'd like to ask you a question I am dying to get answered. Can people on autistic spectrum detect their type accurately? Do people with Asperger's or highly functioning autism have even a place within 16 Myers-Briggs personality types? I have done several tests which all said I'm an ISTJ, however I am not as tidy or organized as they are portrayed. I love planning and being orderly in some stuff, but I have a hard time to keep my house tidy. I love to-do lists and agendas, but sometimes I never follow them through. I feel like a hybrid of several types. I can't find myself really. Could you please give me a short answer here or make a video addressing autistic people and Myers-Briggs test.
This is very very informative Frank. I didn't know about the quadra!
I'm convinced that Frank's house is full of personalities.
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*head
i see them all dancing around, in the kitchen and living room🤣...
Back drops.
They're in his basement
I'm an INFJ with an ISTJ father, an ESTJ brother, and an ESFJ mother. As an intuitive in a family of sensors, that's probably part of why I felt misunderstood growing up! 😂
As an infj, im trying to send my energy to you! Good luck
@@peli8luca Thanks so much, INFJs need to stick together! 😍💪
I'm also an intuitive in a family full of sensors
I’m pretty sure I come from a family of N types and my husband is an S type from a family of S types and hanging out with his family is so different. I’ll admit, I get bored.
I’m in a household with my complete family stack and I still feel misunderstood ha.
I like how people are talking about their RL family’s even though this video has nothing to do with that specifically.
Yeah it's a shame
Thank you! I was looking for this comment.
@@looc8893 a person of culture I see
I was wondering though whether or not the pairs of functions for different types of the same family work the same or if there can still be some differences in how the 2 functions work together.
For example can NeFe (entp) work differently than FeNe (esfj) because of the preferences that these types have for their dominant function?
I'd be willing to say yes since i know some esfjs that tend to neglect Ne to some extent when using Fe but i'd like to hear other people's ideas on this
I suppose it is because a RL family are the people the most you know and with whom you spend most of the time and so people are trying to see if all this mbti thing really works as Frank is saying and so they are making parallels to what they know
I'm ENFP and of my INTJ dad and ISTJ mom, the person I have the easiest time communicating with is my dad. My mom and I clash on everything. Constantly. It's like we're speaking different languages a lot of the time. My dad can at least appreciate all the places my brain goes, my mom just tells me to turn it off and get back to work.
I don’t really have anything worthwhile to add to your statement or any explanation for it but I just wanted to let you know that I get what you mean. I am an ENFP as well (at least that what I think, I mean I am pretty sure about Ne Dom) and my mother is an ISTJ. Boy oh boy do we fight a lot. It‘s like you said: We‘re speaking different languages. She is all “Don’t think about it and work work work” without trying to understand one bit where I am coming from. It‘s so frustrating. Buuut, it has gotten better. I don’t know how old you are or what your situation is, but it can get better. Well, it did take one or two smaller mental breakdowns on my part, but hey, you gotta sacrifice something. Might as well be your sanity. Kidding aside, I don’t know if it will help you but I got my mother to really listen to me. Several times. And now I think we kinda understand each other or at least she finally understands that I am simply not like her. I guess that’s all I can ask for.
Anyway, talked too much already. Sorry!
Hope it helps you a little tho in whatever way.
Stay healthy and happy~ 🍀
Intuition really changes everything! I'm also an Enfp
I am an ENFP 9w1 (962) with ENFJ 1w2 dad and ESFJ 2w1 mom. I developed a strong Fe critic, which used to hurt me a lot when I was younger, but now I’ve learned to use it as a suggestion for improvement and not let it make me feel like my mistakes are catastrophic (which is a slow process because I have two 1 wings - 9w1 and 2w1).
Strange, I’m INTJ but I like ENFPs (but Idc for their future much, so I think I understand your mom).
Anyway as INTJ I tell you that your mom, as opposing Ne (your dad is Ne inferior so he is fascinated by it), she fears it for your future because she thinks it gets you out the road and she wants to get you “out of the clouds” or “on the right path” so you’ll experience as few problems as possible. I may understand that you’ll find it injustice because she’s trying to kill your main energy, but I just want to let you know she does it because she loves you and thinks “doing practical stuff for my daughter>>>saying ily” (side note:you “not appreciating this” could also make her upset).
I did this comment so it’ll be easier to get in your mom’s shoes
@@kaibear7675
1. His father has inferior Ne
2. His father doesn’t prefer Ni (but Si, and it’s totally different function) and actually Ni in ISTJs is the lowest functioning function after Fe (side note in both INTJ and ISTJ, the least functioning function is Fe)
This is quite ironic because I’m an INFJ, my mom is an ENFJ, dad is a ESTP and brother is a ISTP. Interesting house…
That's an ideal mbti family now! 😅
thats sooo interesting.... you're always surrounded by your function stack, just used in different ways by everyone
@@CamzCritiques Lol it’s crazy here. 😂
Woah, interesting.
This is also ironic for me because I too am an INFJ, my dad is an ENFJ, and both my mom and my brother are ISTPs. Though my ISTP brother pretty much acts like an extrovert at home so its always hectic here
I think the loop is actually quite a useful concept to understand how you use your cognitive functions. For example, I am an INTP, so my preferred functions are Ti and Ne. I find the most enjoyment out of going crazy with ideas (Ne) and filtering them through my logical rules (Ti). However, I flip really easily to my Ti-Si loop. I think its why I can be called an introvert; I will retreat and really process details of my life (Si) in order to discover their inner logic (Ti). It can feel quite comforting to be in this space, but it can also be stressful, especially if you seem to be stuck in it. Its only as a last resort, where my logical processing seems to have failed me, that I will switch to fully using Fe (what do other people want, how will they judge my decisions). I think a lot of type confusion comes from the fact that a lot of people use their loop and/or last function *more often* than their preferred functions. Ideally, you'd want to get to a place where you can draw upon your third and fourth function comfortably and often, without becoming stuck in them.
I love your comment; I can relate to so much of it!
Right, loops help us recharge and get back in touch with what's important to us and whatnot. But too much of a good thing is bad and moderation is always key! I use Ti a lot as an INFJ and sometimes forget to keep myself in check with Fe lol
Me, an ENTP, seeing that I have no loops but instead I'm basically useless. (Si 4th and inferior function, so mind not in ground.)
Nice an intp here too 👍🏻
Istp/intp here. I've been stuck trying to differentiate myself between these two types but found i relate to istp more because of my very "hands on" hobbies. I'm still new to this so would anyone more adept in mbti help me?
I guess this explains why I, an INFP, am one of the few people in the family that really get along with my grandma, an ISTJ. It’s weird because we are COMPLETELY different, but at the same time, it’s so easy to talk to her lol
I’m an ENFP 9w1 with an ESTJ great-grandma and we also get on very well :) she confides in me and we always have nice conversations.
I'm an ISFJ, my twin sister is an INFJ. We both have anxiety and generational trauma, which often makes us appear like angry little gremlin women instead of the creative, compassionate people we should be. My dad is an ISFJ and my mother is an INFP, where he likes to please people to the detriment of his own interests, and she is horribly stubborn and unable to accept being wrong. Our Christmas parties are fun.
Little grimlins woman 😭😭😭😭
Interesting. My mom is ISFJ and my dad is INFP, so same as yours but with the genders reversed. And yep, my mom has always sought to please others even to her detriment, whereas my dad has always been, like your mom, stuck in his perceptions of things and unable to accept being wrong.
As an INFP I have tried to avoid this pitfall of self-righteousness, having watched my dad ruin so many of his relationships because of it. Secretly feeling like I'm better than other people is something I struggle with from time to time, though the feeling is usually short-lived since I then instantly think I'm the worst person ever for feeling that way in the first place.
@@thepoetandtheprimrose3790 It's been thought that mental health plays a lot into the results we sometimes get on these tests. My mother was born to a verbally abusive home, and my father was smothered as his mother's favorite child. If they were given more balance, they would likely have different results. In my teen years, I kept getting INFJ as a result, but as I grew, my teenage depression lifted and I became less rigid and pretentious in how I viewed other people. I no longer felt I needed to teach others, but to help them teach themselves. Rememember: I outwardly am an abrasive gremlin, totally not how I_FJs should theoretically be, so maybe retake the test thinking more about how you handle yourself, rather than others, and see what you get.
@@BigGrabowski I'm sure mental health plays a role in how we perceive ourselves; I imagine that we would get inaccurate results if we took the test during a period in which our mental health was floundering. Taking the test when you are in a healthier place is good advice.
As I've learned more about the cognitive functions, I've seen how it's not really possible for one's personality to change. (Let's keep in mind, too, that personalities are spectra, and not stereotypes.) My theory is that people confuse personality with character. Your personality is a built-in thing, your character is how you manifest it. Stalin was allegedly an INFJ, but so was Jesus. In my view, any type can be a good person or a garbage person, because it's your character that matters, not your personality type. And on that note, it sounds like you've really grown yours over the years, despite your struggles. Well done :)
As for me, I have taken the test at various points throughout the years, during different stages of my life. And I always get INFP.
I'm an INTJ with an ENTJ father and an ISFP mother. I found this dynamic rather interesting because whenever they have a disagreement on making decisions I'm usually the problem solver that will provide a middle ground (with a slight Te preference). My dad will often tell my mom that she should stop relying on what makes her feel good and go for the more practical option while my mother will not let go of her personal preference. What I usually bring to the table (if they ask me otherwise it's interesting to observe in the dark) is that there is often this "bridge" between Te and Fi that they don't usually see. In many cases, Fi exists for a reason and more often than not the Te and Fi will point to the same thing. When I point that out the problem is usually resolved.
Now, that dynamic works out great until both of them insist I should go out more and "experience" things...
Cool sis! Intj male here
Haha. Are they wrong? I'm an INTJ too and am in my mid 30s. I'd probably have more mastery of Se had I had more experiences. I'm not saying go crazy. But start a small adventure and see how it goes. 🙂
@@BombshElle_7 Haha thanks for pointing that out and the advice. They are not wrong at all! It is admittedly more difficult for me to execute because I strive on certainty (at least certainties in my head), the sensory world is far from that which can get a little terrifying at times. I suppose the best thing for me to do is to slowly desensitize myself on this.
@@olinaw5145 Facts! A walk around the block or a park is an easy start. Or a trip into the city. I think you'll enjoy it. :)
I'm also an INTJ, so I want to fully understand what you're saying. I'm having a bit of a hard time conceptualizing "that there is often this "bridge" between Te and Fi that they don't usually see. In many cases, Fi exists for a reason and more often than not the Te and Fi will point to the same thing" Can you give an example?
The Si Ti loop for ISFJs is when we can’t stop deconstructing the past. I often can’t stop thinking about elementary school and trying to figure out why everyone hated me.
INTJ here, i had the same issue when i was in elementary school. more specifically 3rd and 4th grade. i've kinda reduced it to "that was just a kid thing." and moved on from it. it was less "bullying" per se. but more of a trying to fit in WAY to hard. and failing tremendously. not to say that there was no bullying. but the majority of why i felt like everyone hated me was do to the fact that i was trying to hard to "fit in". trying to hard to make everyone like me. when what i was really doing was trying to change myself to seem more likeable. it was ultimately the life lesson of just be yourself. let people like you for who you are. people saying that they hate you, or simply not liking you will always be around. but that's just them oversimplifying something that they don't like about you as simply "they don't like you." and especially as kids they don't recognize it as an oversimplification. as well as it's simply not understanding that it's an oversimplification. and taking it at face value. that definitely makes it worse. kids can be brutal.
@@g.i.r.l. you are probably right about both of those. For some reason it’s hard for me to accept the most basic obvious answer: “they didn’t”
Asdfghjkl my ISFJ ex did this that's so fucking funny. I asked him once if he considered himself a nostalgic person and he said definitely not, but he got "stuck" in the past sometimes and now I get what he meant
It is the same for me but I am an INTP.
@@GetYossedLol Yeah you guys have the same loop as us but in reversed order.
“Embrace the loop” thank you best advice I’ve ever gotten! People always treat ti ni loop as a negative so it’s nice to hear a positive spin being put on it! I’ve actually had some of my profound revelations from the ti ni loops lol
Same from my Ne-Fe loop!
That's what Cognitive Personality Theory is about.
There's a bot named Dark that stole your comment. Smh. Why do those things even exist?! 😕 I guess your comment was that good!
@@BombshElle_7 bruh I saw it. Talk about people being insecure
@@BombshElle_7 omg -_- why can’t people just be original lol thank you for letting me know
I’m an INTP with a ESFJ dad, ENFJ mom, and an ESTJ grandma, wish me luck :’)
@I_love_food thank you dear sir
yikes
I’m an ENFP 9w1 with an ENFJ 1w2 dad and an ESFJ 2w1 mom (strong Fe critic developed), and an ESTJ great-grandma (we get on very well) so I completely understand your situation. Stay strong!
@@miahan8988 thank you 😌
@@Jll-fj3kc well true
Two other ways to group the sixteen MBTI types into sets of four:
xNTx; xSFx, xNFx, xSTx; and
by Four Sides Of The Mind ...
INTP, ESFJ, ENTJ, & ISFP form one set;
ENTP, ISFJ, INTJ, & ESFP form one set,
INFP, ESTJ, ENFJ, & ISTP form one set, and
ESTP, INFJ, ISTJ, & ENFP form one set.
Perhaps new video for eash these two groupings could be produced.
I don't understand the Four Sides grouping. What's that? 🤔
@@BombshElle_7 Four sides of the mind theory is a John Beebe expansion on MBTI theory. Beebe essentially puts a different personality on each side of the mind ego/subconscious/unconscious/superego So that makes each person actually different personalities at different times depending on what "side of the mind" they are in. I am a novice but I think that is where people get the "I have Xx critic" or "I have Xx Trickster" Interesting stuff really. A LOT of it makes sense to me for my own personality though not sure how much of that is "correct" for all of them. Just learning the 16 types seemed like a lot. I am an ENFP and that darn Ni definitely does trip me up.... EVERYONE worries about my future when I am not doing well.
@@carissahill3414 It took 3 months for someone to answer my question. Thank you so much. 😊
@@BombshElle_7 You are welcome though I am sure my answer is not thorough and I really don't know if it's correct but at least it gives you some leads. This community of expansion on Jungs personality types is definitely a sea of confusing information to swim through.
@@carissahill3414 😊✌🏽
When I started typing people I was so confused because my dominant Ni was screaming "He's like something between ENFP and ISTJ" while my Ti was saying "It's a complete nonsense, they are two opposite types". When I looked closer at the cognitive functions I was SO proud of my intuition because it was right even though I did't have the neccesary knowledge.
PS It was after first date and he happened to be ENFP
This video has taught me a lot! It's really interesting how pairing the extroverted and introverted functions together can reveal how differently the types in each family can do things. It really helps you get a better grasp on how functions work together.
Thanks FJ for yet another great video!
STJ and NFP are such a good problem solving family. I'm an ENFP and my mom is an ISTJ. Trust me when I say we get shit done! There's a very interesting intellectual connection between these 4 types despite being so different in personality
I think that could be said of all the families honestly! When you share functions it makes it that much easier to communicate with someone, so when you share all four but prioritize them differently it makes for some great teamwork. My brother is an ISTP and I'm an ENFJ, I would definitely say that's been true for us as kids and adults :)
Same! ENFP (me) with ISTJ sis and ESTJ dear friend = never-flagging enthusiasm for each other's company as well as fantastic teamwork. Honestly my sister and I had just one high school class together, and the teacher was forced to move us away from each other because we couldn't stop chatting. We also aced every test he gave. As adults, we have tackled enormous challenges together and are the most natural teammates ever. Same w my ESTJ friend; we have shut down restaurants and social events without even noticing because we are so engrossed in conversations. Our record is a 48 hour long text dissection of early American immigration patterns and how they've influenced both our families and the nation at large culturally and politically. We love sharing books and are fantastic idea bouncing boards for one another. Plus, both he and my sister are two of the only people who make me feel safe enough to share the darkest of my emotions or thoughts with because they never judge me for stepping outside the optimist box. In fact we all help each other grow emotionally as we can work out frustrations together and even admit weaknesses, struggles, and the worst, our own perceived failures -- so hard for our high achieving goal-oriented selves. I have many friends of all types, but this "family" of types are precisely that for me.
My sister's INTJ-ness explains why she's able to spend the entire day every day working on one thing, meanwhile my ESFP-ness and ADHD leave me fighting to keep focused through the end of this video for Frank's sake 🧡
(I still can't do it 😭)
I will add myself being an ENTP with ADHD
Imagine being a J-type with ADHD 🤣 I have identity crises all the time
Sorry not to bring the attention on myself i just feel that hahah. I think people confuse me with an INFP cause my inattentive adhd
I'm an ENFP with two ISTJ parents, it's funny because we are really opposite, but they get me and I get them. It's like an opposition that feels familiar and how my preferred functions are the ones they dislike the most and viceversa.
@@derpkipper How do you manage it? How do you won't go crazy when you have those two sides, I need all the info, and too much info is to much info? 😳 I have similar problems with order and simplicity of my place to study, i desperately need it when at the same time I cannot keep it like this at all (and don't want it in some way). So I am curious of your ways 😉
I FEEL THIS SO MUCH i'm always multitasking no mater what i can't help it - INFP
Me: ENFP
Mom: ISFJ
Dad: ISTP
Sister: ESFP
No wonder we're a bit dysfunctional. None of us are in the same MBTI family.
Oof
Do we have the same parents bc oml I'm also an enfp with an ISTP dad and ISFJ mom
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I find it funny that my MBTI family, is quite literally, my family. I’m an INFP with a ESTJ sister, my father is a ISTJ, and my mother is an ENFP.
Do you get along well?
@@shionrad3122 Me and my sister always fought as little kids, (as sisters do), but once we grew out of it we got along very well, and still do. My mother and me are very similar so we got along as well. When I was younger I didn’t understand the way my father was and why he was so particular and strict, but as I matured I began to understand him more, and we get along quite well now.
Today I Learned: no one in my physical family is in my mbti family. Would never have guessed… -INTJ
this video is so true! i rarely ever feel like i'm on the same wavelength with INFJs, INTPs, ESTPs, and ESFJs in my life. but i get xSTJs. especially when we're both in NeTe mode. my ISTJ dad and i can really feel like one in the same - INFP
IMO, Ti-Si are very powerful together. Combine it with Ne, and the potential for learning is infinite.
-INTP
Oh, yeah. I guess there's Fe in there too, but who cares about that? (I jest.)
Ne-Ti-Fe can make you great at dealing with people, don't underestimate the combo. It has saved me several times. Tho ngl I do wish I had more Si
-Entp
This must be why my ESFJ sister has always said her daughter is so much like me, even though I'm an ISTJ and my niece is an INFP.
As an ENTP I can tell you the Ti-Si loop can be a doozy. It's like a lot of personal self-reflection. Like a lot a lot. But it's thinking wise and to me it's focused on self-improvement, but with Ti which makes up its own logic it can spiral into making a mess of things real easy. It's a lot of "What my inner workings are doing". And "How do I rearrange them" sometimes even "How do I change them" and "Oh they pulled themselves apart let's see why" It's a lot of experimentation mode at least with the xNTPs. Probably with the xSFJs as well.
In short the "Ti-Si" loop is sort of like a big series of experiments in your head where you're both the scientist and the Guinea pig.
INFP (me) ISTJ (dad) ESFJ (mum) ENFJ (sister). Growing up was difficult I often felt misunderstood but now i'm 28 we all get along amazingly and my parents have definitely helped me be more grounded in the present moment. I'm probably most similar to my ISTJ dad now.
How about a video on the super-ego, ego, subconscious and unconscious functions? That would be really interesting, since it'll help us understand how the type that are completely opposite to us are also related to us
Happy New Year’s Frank fans! 🎉
I find that INFJs and ESTPs in particular have a lot more similarities than people may think: both generally dislike authority, enjoy challenging social conventions, appreciate brutal honesty and generally go on their own path. I enjoy talking to my ESTP coworker more than with a lot of other feelers and intuitives. You should make a video about the similarities between opposing types someday
I'm an INFJ, my brother is an ENTJ, my mother an ESTJ and my father an ISTJ. Especially the relationship with my brother is sometimes difficult. Moreover he clashes a lot with my parents because he doesn't want to help them ( for example with the laundry) and he never makes compromises. Everyone always has to make exactly what he wants or there's gonna be a very big fight. And I personally hate fighting so I mostly do as he says or calm my parents down in order to maintain the family peace. That is exhausting. But no family is perfect!
I fully emphathise, I'm a lone intuitive in a sea of sensors myself! Sending you lots of love and support! 😘
That sounds like me😂 However, my best friend is an INFJ and it works great. I also hear you with the crash that happens when my family don't do as I want especially the competence and eye contact fight between me and my ESTJ father😂
I can understand somehow what you are going through, I'm an Entj, my dad is an Estj, we always argued about house chores and that only stopped when I moved out, got married to an Infj, now both somehow managed to find a middle ground about it, doing menial stuff is super annoying for us Entj's UNLESS we can understand that everything we do is like everything we do and by that I mean, tapping on to two of our core values which are performing and being congruent. It is easy to be organized an tidy once as an Entj you make the connection: " how you do laundry is how you do everything" meaning a messy pile of clothes equals a messy set of habits, messy relationships, messy professional image. Something most Entj's will hate to associate themselves with. Hope this helps.😊
@Moon no its not the blind spot. It differs for ENTJs, it's Si and for ESTJs, it's Ni. But we rarely if ever use our Fe...pretty much only when we're in a chaotic phase
For what it's worth, this is probably my favorite video of yours thus far. I love how it was still humorous but incredibly informative. Thanks, Frank! Glad to be a part of two of your families now (your channel and also NFJ/STP as an ENFJ myself).
Haha that’s so funny-I mean my psychological family is actually the same as the real one. I’m an INFP and I’ve got ISTJ father, ENFP mom and an ESTJ grandma🙃🙃. As FJ said, sometimes I realise I can relate to all my family members even though we are almost completely different
SAME i'm an INFP with an ISTJ dad and ESTJ aunt. i keep getting compared to them for some reason and now i know why. we are just on the same wave length
I've been watching you videos recently. They are very funny. I watched this on Jan 2nd, well y'know, it's World Introvert Day. So, I'm really happy as an introvert , especially my introvert friends not just because we're quiet but we had our hidden and special talents that no people have observed it. Celebrating it with the appreciation of introverts in the world, even to extroverts.❤🙂🙂
When your family is half extrovert half introvert
“Perfectly balances, as all things should be
I think this video can also be helpful when it comes to typing yourself and the confusion that can come with it. For example, when I tried to type myself, I would get so confused when I found other types relatable. I initially got INFP on the 16 personalities online test, but seeing that the stuff ENFP or ISTJ says on FJ’s skits were so relatable, I started to question whether or not I really was an INFP. So, I think understanding families is a great way to help you try to type yourself. The families are probably why I found the other types to be so relatable, and it helped me narrow it down and finally feel comfortable in saying I’m an INFP.
This was well done, Frank. As an ESFP, you did the gammas well. Very accurate.
I definitely will watch again as I need to absorb the info in a quiet setting. LOL. But thank you for this. Another concept to bring me closer to full understanding. 👍✌️😊
I did rewatch, and I get it now.😉
Lol my mom is an isfj and has been in a very strong si-ti loop for years😳 I’m an isfp that has been in fi-ni loop and my brother is enfp and has been in the ne-te loop. Yeah we’ve had some traumatic stuff happen in our family , health issues etc…. But it’s amazing for us to finally pin ourselves down to our types and understand why we do what we do and how to understand others as well. FJ you have been quite instrumental in that process so thank you🥰
I am Intj with an Istp dad, an Estj mother and an Enfp brother :)
As an INFP, having an ESFJ mother, an ESTP brother and an ISFP sister-in-law; this is going to be interesting to watch 🤔
Truly😆
Ditto, as a lone initiative in a family of sensors, I greatly emphatise!
Nooo way I’m an INFP with an ESFP mother too 🤯
I’m also and INFP with an ESFJ mother! 😅
same i'm also an infp with an ESFJ mom!! it's rlly interesting how each of your family members are part of different quadras. my dad is an ISTJ so we're in the same one but other than that, my sis is ESTP and my mom is ESFJ. i barely know any xSFPs or xNTJs
Si-Ti loop based one's thinking on what has been done/observed already making it safety/past focused. on the other hand Ne-Fe loop based other's feeling on what can be or the collective unconscious.
The primary and tertiary functions are "optimistic" in how they process/perceive things, especially the third that's why its referred as the "child" function. Meanwhile the secondary and inferior functions balances the personality with its "pessimistic" approach; the secondary "parent" function takes care of the "child" and advices the primary to not go overboard while the inferior feeds off what the primary is greatly capable off. "Embracing the loop" makes the person overly optimistic or pessimistic depending on the loop one is engaging. The key is the balance between the two loops within the primary cognitive stack.
As an example, an ISFJ primary Si benefits the Ne inferior so that it is no longer afraid of what the future might bring because it already observed, prepared and disciplined itself with Si allowing an ISFJ to transition into an ENTP temporarily. The Ti child boast itself of knowing what the truth of the matter is but Fe parent is there to ensure that the child does not become condescending and be of service to others bringing about the ISFJ's sense of responsibility.
4x4=16
SCIENCE!
Happy World Introvert Day!
*leaves to celebrate by myself*
I'm an INTP, my sister is INTP, my other sister is INFP, my twin brother is INTP, 2 of my brothers are INFJ and I have no idea which my 3 sisters + my father are but oh well. Pretty sure we all are INxx.
God bless you all⚘⚘ how lucky are you to be all IN××
I'm an INTP too, but with an ESFJ mom, and the rest of the family, not sure what they are, but pretty sure extroverted. I can't even imagine the kind of harmony and understanding you have with your family, but it sure sounds nice
This is super interesting! I'm INFP, my mom is ESTJ, my fiance is ISTJ (He's the most understanding and loving person I've known) and his brother is ENFP (the most authentic and funny person I've known). I feel really at ease just being or talking to them (it also hapens with my INTP best friend tho) xD of course It's sometimes harder with my mom cause you know, opposite types, she worries that I'm lazy and isolated when actually I'm not (not on a healthy level at least, I know myself and my intentions), but she doesn't understand. She worries unnecessarily and that's annoying/stressing, but I love her a lot and I think she's really wise and funny. Anyways, I just relate and can confirm with my real experiences with different tipes that it's nice to be with people on the same family :) (Also I think the INFP + ISTJ pair is underrated xD)
Really cool video for describing the families, I didn't feel like you addressed why these are useful grouping or how the function pairs actually relate to/manifest in the types, e.g. talking about how ESFJ and INTP are actually related with concrete examples, because under the basic understanding of mbti, these types are opposites by definition.
Yeah i agree, it would've been good to have at least a few examples in which these similarities can manifest themselves. It's hard to explain everything thoroughly though, it's still an interesting video that serves more as a basic introduction to the families.
Nice pfp btw, in rainbows is underrated
That’s why I get along with my ISTP friend so well! It all makes sense. INFJ.
I've been making my way through your OPS interviews and I just love how Fe/Ti this is. Much love!
"It's still interestng" - FJ 😄
My dad, an estj.
My mom, an enfp.
My older brother, probably an infp.
Yep
That’s a very odd family.
It would be great if the families had names to help describe them, like the Kiersey temperaments, (guardian, rational, idealist and artisan) though those are grouped differently I believe. I guess that's what the quadras alpha, beta etc. are doing but I don't find those names as useful as it feels like the families are being ranked rather than described for their individual qualities.
@Margrete oh no, I'm just a minion, haha!
My question is: what do you think about divergent types?
I've thought of this for a while! Especially considering Cognitive Personality Theory and similarities between stacks.
I could hear Vin Diesel everytime family is mentioned
This is my favorite video of yours, so insightful 🥺😚💕.
-ENFP
Now I get why I am so weird and also compatible with very weird people just like me. Me being an INTJ, hates to deal with feelings. Also me being an INTJ, constantly crushing over some ISFP dude.
Oh this INTJ always has to have the extrovert lol
Hey!
Im an ENFP with ISFJ n ESFJ parents n an INFJ bff😃
A lot of my frnds r frm other families. I've been observing them fr quite sm time ... guess I cud become a quadra chameleon n fool ppl into thinking tht im their type😜
I found out a friend of mine in an ENFP and I'm INFP, so now when we see each other, or agree with each other in conversation, we shout "NFP!"
*INTJ* who's a product of ENTJ + INFJ ♡__♡ woooh *xNxJ* has prevailed
You know what, FJ? You surprisingly surpassed my expectations for the quality of your observations and categorization.
Yes, I have observed the same patterns that you do and came to the conclusion that types represent different parts or aspects of reality based on the elementals theory. However, I was not able to categorize them as properly based on their functions. I still struggle with that because I doubt the current stack and try to deconstruct the premises untill I get to correct information.
However, the format of your observations do fit with the current categories and stereotypes of the types. But I don't think necessarily that this is their actual functioning as well.
I do think that instead, there may be some elements that we are not aware of and that changes the dynamic completely. For instance, if we go by Jung where introverts and extroverts are locked in their respective orientations, the whole mbty stack falls apart and we need a new way of organizing them.
So if indeed I'm an INTJ, the difference between the Ni-Ti of INFJs and Ni-Fi of the INTJs is the difference between forming categories Ni-Ti for INFJs and establishing the rules for such categories Ni-Fi of INTJs.
Thus, an INFJ works by the rules that are already inside a system and organize based on that, Ni-Ti. However, an INTJ would make his own rules or criterias and then struggle to organize them because it would essentially need to make a complelty different hierarchy Ni-Fi.
Which makes me wonder, is the INFJ more closer to an INTJ or is it the INFP?
What is the criteria for which types are more similar? Is it their temperament or their domminant? If that's the case, the temperament between an INFJ and INTJ is different, but their domminant is the same. Socionics states that the domminant is the most important function of the ego. If that's the case, then that means that Ni domminants should be more similar than they would be with different types. But at the same time, based on the Quadra and your video, types seem to be more different even if they share the same domminant function. Thus making the socionics assumption to be flawed. So what is the truth here?
Also, how do we know that an INFJ is locked only to an Fe-Se framework and can't use Fe-Ne? You yourself in this video talked not only about people but also made peculiar intuitive jokes which relate more to Fe-Ne than Fe-Se. So can we really say that an INFJ actually uses more a sensing function than an intutive one? Especially when the former is his inferior, Se?
If that's the case, then the same would apply to an INTJ as well. An INTJ as an intuitive would be more able to use intuition than sensing. Therfore, making intuitive guesses Te-Ne, and maybe then if he's more conscious of his inferior Se, to have evidence to back this up as well Te-Se. But we all know what Jung said about Ni domminants. That we are some kind of crackheads. If anything, that reject the hypothesis that an INTJ as Ni domminant would be able to deliver concrete Te-Se proof and not some intuitive Te-Ne extrapolations based on the data.
Also, not to mention that all of this is based on the premise that I started of, that of Ti being categorization and Fi being the rules or principles. However, it could be the case that Fi is categorization and Ti is the logical principles. Or that even Te could be categorization. After all, the stereotypes show more that Te is about categorization than Ti. So wouldn't that then mean that maybe an INFP is better at categorizing because it uses Te instead of Ti?
So, again, what is the truth?
Long live Byzantium
The Truth is that we won't know the Truth till you and I are long gone from this planet... though we can definitely have fun trying to know. Ok Don't mind me. I just like being like one of those treasure trolls that you might get good luck by stroking her hair. All I know is that I drove my INTJ 15 year partner to tear out his hair with my Ne.
The INxJs have the opposite issue that I have as an ENFP. INxJs are so set on establishing their truths that they do not allow themselves to have faith. They have an amazing skill at seeing the future for themselves and the path to get there that Ne is SCARY. Because Ne contains all the possible futures, I myself, do not see a set future infront of me and have to have faith that no matter which future will lay in my past it will be an acceptable one. Once an InxJ can have this faith in their future, then maybe they can start to Ne-Fe/Te loop.
Also Ne is not just some sort of extrapolation. An extrapolation by definition is an estimate or conclusion based on data. Ne is none of this. Ne is like having an ocean of a world in front of you and comparing and contrasting that world with itself and any other Ocean that you can imagine. Ne is filled with shinning objects that one can grab on to pull in front of them to examine....maybe grabbing as many of them as they can hold onto to examine... but by grabbing onto these shiny objects to examine them there is a force that has "been created" that pulls that objects up and away from you back into the ocean and if you don't keep track of it as it goes away, it may be lost.... though there are countless objects to grab your attention next.... and Si has memory of all that it has once held in its hands... an inprint of sorts to remember it by....... That experience is nothing like what I see on the faces of INxJs
Omg, thank you! This actually makes so much sense... as an INFP, I've kinda been wondering for some time how my own personal dynamics actually relate to the system of this personality type in general, and sometimes it can appear a little strange to me, but I've never looked at things that way, the pairing of each cognitive functions as how they process as the introverted world and the extroverted world (in my case Fi-Si and Ne-Te respectively), and seeing that just makes things look clearer, more organized, more...making sense, in the way I experience myself. Also you have the best way of explaining the cognitive function Ni as far as I've come across to! Really love this vid♥️, it's a new way I found of looking at things, thank you!♡∼
INFJ here. My uncle is an ISTP. I'm rather distant with him because we don't view the world the same way, and our core values are different. I live with my mom and a few relatives on her side, including my said uncle. Whenever we talk about vital things, me and my uncle, most of the time, shares the same ideas and goals. The only difference is that he delivers it bluntly, I deliver it respectfully.
This was very helpful since I was already pondering the Si and Te overlap of my ENFP brother, ESTJ father, INFP friend and ISTJ colleague.
Also my ENFP brother: "I think I want to be an ISTP today because "Virtuoso" sounds cool and I am soooo introverted, you can change right?"
The two of us taking a walk and talking MBTI was basically an extended cut of Dear Kristin`s video on Ne vs Ni in real life (I am INTJ) 😂
Si and ti will have the most through detailed analysis for problems and other things but it'll take time and will be very personal
I’ve overthought my personality type into complete nonsense at this point.
I am either: 1) an INTP who has really developed her Fe over time, 2) an INFP, 3) a socially anxious ENFP or 4) an ISTJ with ADHD because that would be an interesting thing to consider. I thought I was an INFJ but I use Ne.
I’d love to say this video cleared it right up but my brain is hellbent on making it more confusing.
what is the goal of your F and T, to serve yourself or to serve others? when processing things, are you doing it with your nuanced personal morals and values in mind, or your nuanced personal logical framework? is your F or T detached from the self? are you willing to make F or T compromises as long as it helps people?
example: Te won't need to get the full truth as long as it gets the job done. Ti isn't okay with these holes and inconsistency and needs to satisfy that to move on
Fe doesn't need to follow its heart as long as people are pleased with it. Fi isn't okay with moral ambiguity and self-dishonesty and needs to satisfy that to move on
Are you more like Sam Winchester (INTP), Arwen (INFP), Elizabeth Bennet (ENFP) or Aragorn (ISTJ)?
HAHA I think you have taken two-type Timmy to the extreme! Now that I have seen those videos, all I can see when people say they cant figure out their type is Timmy dancing. Thanks for the image. I love it!
I wonder are you able to know your enneagram? I feel for you when trying to figure out my enneagram. It appears that I am a void 3 so I am not sure if that makes me a 3 since that is the only one that stands out to be what I am definitely NOT. I feel like I have cycled that enneagram several times already had it rephrased to me in multiple ways, taken test after test that just equal-weight it. Reminds me of a test I took in 7th grade for whether I was right brained or left brained and they made me take it several times till the results came out to not be equal-weighted.
Which also actually reminds me of that dancing girl illusion that you are supposed to be able to see spinning one way or the other depending if you are right brained or left brained and I can make her do the can-can dance if I want to. Of course no one can see it but me though. I wonder if you can switch your cognitive functions around fast like I can with my right/left brain
Happy New Year FJ. Thanks for all these great videos and for all the fun and laughs in 2021! 🌟
This seems applicable to the workplace as many people can spend more time with co workers than they do family.
I’m en ENFJ with a ESTJ dad, ESFJ mom, and ENFP and ENTJ sisters.
You’re hilarious Frank! I enjoy your videos so much! Hope you make it to a million subs soon!! You deserve it 👍🙂
Reposting this comment that RUclips removed for some reason:
As an INFP, building a life is, from the Fi-Si perspective, a lot like writing a novel, where I want to make sure everything is connected with what came before, all developments feel organic, there are identifiable themes and trajectories, there are lessons to be learned, and there are repeated motifs and some level of style consistency to help it all cohere. Ideally, I'd like the novel to be beautiful, meaningful, and emotionally impactful.
From the Ne-Te perspective, there is an impetus to do a lot of exploring and perspective-taking, take in a lot of information and ideas, consider all the possibilities before drawing any conclusions or making any decisions, and build a very holistic, big-picture understanding of objective reality. It's also worth noting that, unless their Te is suppressed, INFPs tend to have a lot of respect for science and facts.
But every type is somewhat unique in the way they use the functions, and other types with the same functions don't necessarily use them the same way. The types are more than the sum of their cognitive functions, and I maintain that there are types with different functions that I connect and communicate with more easily than some of the ones in my 'family'.
Thank you FJ.. I'd love to see a comedy skit about the Ni-Ti loop.
FJ: 4x4= 16
Me before agreeing with him, calculating what 4x4 is: 🧐
That's true. ESTPs seems chaotic but I always felt we were talking the same thing vut with different priorities. Now with ESTJs for exemple it feels we don't live in the same world, we always need to be really shallow and have small talk because if we go 10cm deeper we will have a little Armageddon... This Holiday Season with elections next year was all about this.
I heard about quadras looking for Socionics, why they use INFp for INFJ and INFj for INFP for example? I never understood that.
I would appreciate a video with 8 functions as inferior, like the key to evolution
Ni and Ti works well together. I get an idea from facts, data, theories, and observations (Ni), then hone it to something logical and presentable (Ti).
I'm INTP with an ISTP Father, ISTJ mother. This is really something
Super cool new subject and they way to look on types! (though your perfect hair is distraction 😁)
Thank for fun Introvert day celebration;)
INFP married to an ESTJ. We are quite opposites in many things, but similar enough to u derstand each other an dmake it work.
I’m a INTJ and my step sister is a ISFP and my brother is a ISTJ
And my BFF is a ISFP
Thanks FJ! This helped me understand my sister's functions more!
ESTJs are surely the most different type with me (INFP). The types differing the most with each other belong in the same family, as a rule. Thought-provoking.
I don't think my communication with ESTJs is the easiers: it's the hardest among all types.
Just look at all that hair. Luscious.
INFJ with ESFJ Father, ESTJ mother. yea..They got divorced when I was young so, it's not like they can hold it against me if I can't "get along" but I wish I could
When I first watch I thought it was about, NT(analyst), NF(diplomats), SJ(Sentinels), and SP(Explorer
I thought this was what a family of xxx is like ! 4/4 of us are intuitive types in my family and we have a blast during sci-fi movies
THANK YOU FOR INTRODUCING ME TO SOCIONICS
I'm reinvigorated by the different perspective on Cognitive Functions ("Information Elements" in this theory) & their version of the Stack ("Blocks" or "Model A") makes total sense to me & gives me a less ambiguous, more painfully forthright, evaluation on how Shadow Functions (ID & Super Ego Blocks) motivates me to act like an effing weirdo
Note for those who are wanting to connect to Socionics via their type: it's a different system & not always directly translatable from MBTI. You'll ultimately want to determine your Model A Type based on your understanding of your personal Cognitive Functions. But in general, E××J & E××P essentially share the same stack order as their MBTI, while I××J & I××P have to flip their J/P to get the same MBTI stack order (I××J = I××P & I××P = I××J). Also, there seems to be a totally different acronym system too.
It's really fun, thanks FJ
I have an ISTJ father and an INFP brother, so the "this is an odd family" comment made me chuckle
late to this, but it is WILD to hear my own thought processes described so well. INTP here, can I steal some of this for my next interview? Holy cow 😳🤔
I'm now really interested about the loops
i love how this comment section is talking about actual families rather than the type groups shown in the video, but that's fair since it uses the same word anyway lol
Can you do video with these families- those four interacting and living together.
I think it would be funny😂
Im INFP with ESTP mom,INFJ dad and ENFP sister:D
The understanding the types in your language family is so true for me!
Like, currently I think I'm an ENFJ (though I'm still on the fence), my siblings are ISTP (almost certain), ISFP (65%, sure), and ESFP (no doubt about it), I find that I understand my ISTP brother more than any of my other siblings can, and that my ISFP and ESFP siblings seem to connect and just vibe together the most.
I think of in terms who gets along the least, it would be my ISTP sibling and my ISFP sibling and me and my ESFP sibling, though, they all annoy me a lot to be honest, but that's life lol
And so we meet again. You had any more luck figuring out your type over the past couple of hours?
@@Anonymous_Anon882 Haha so we do.
No, and I'm not sure that I will, because I keep thinking, how do I 100% know for sure?
I am an ENTP with ISTJ mother and my dad is INTJ. My mum and I are just connected with that string of thinking 😂 . It’s hard sometimes, both of my parents are introverted ... I got bored like hell in lockdown...
I love how Frank quotes himself. -FJ So effing funny.
A set of families arranged by the directions of the cognitive functions would present another interesting discussion. For example, ISFP, ISTP, INFP, and INTP persons have their perceptive functions extraverted and their judging functions introverted. This arrangement makes attractive sense because perceptions come from outside the brain, and decision-making judgment happens inside the brain, so an extraverted source of perceptions and an introverted source of judging seems to present less confusion for the cognitive activities of these individuals.
Other sets of four types have different cognitive function direction pairs, leading potentially to more confusion about the comings and goings of data about the world and an individual’s interactions with that data. Sorting out all of these details is not a trivial task, and requires careful observation and analysis.
Me - INFJ my sister INTJ my mom- ENFJ.... my father -ESTP (i guess)
Inft enfj intj - it quite balancing... But My father is the odd one out among us unfortunatly😅
Note: i love my father a lot anyway😌
I'm an ISFP and I personally tend to use Ni and Te when in a work environment, I don't like it very much and makes me stressed with all the thinking going on whitch right now in my life in in highschool and because of all the online school I stop doing work as I really hate all the logical and unaesthetic thinking but now I'm in highschool and I am stuck in a rabbit hole as now I don't do any work and when I try to all the thinking makes me very stressed and when I get stressed I get dissociated whitch for me personally is very scary. Anyways when I'm at home or in a social environment I use Se and Fi it's very comfortable for me whitch is why I like to talk to people or be at home, I can just simmer in my feelings and chill not having a care in the world, that's another thing about the online school when I'm at home in my Se Fi environment and like I just said when I'm there I don't have a care in the world so I just didn't give af about school and just relaxed
I always thought about xNFx, xNTx, xSxP and xSxJ as groups
Huh... As an INFP, I've always been a bit scared to talk to ESTJs. 🤔
In don't want them calling me a failure. I already call myself that enough. XD