As someone that uses Hemi Jack semi-unironically, here some other sad facts: - While the sheep is out it reduces tension gain by -80% (same penalty as Roman Canceling), essentially making it cost 4 tension bars since during this time we could have generated extra tension - We can use throw into the sheep in the corner, but doing so won't stun the opponent due to scaling - Outside 1H, Task C, Corner 5D and Blitz Attack, Bedman has no moves to launch the other player into the sheep, all of them being slow and reactable - Sheep into Instant Kill is never a true combo (without IK conditions), even with 4 tension bars 5D + Task A' setups in the corner, but specially on midscreen because it puts Bedman far away from the stunned opponent - In Rev 2.0 it could hit people in the ground, but this was nerfed because of the new 6H keeping people in blockstun too long, giving Bedman a reliable unblockable like Johnny and Elphelt Hemi Jack is the most expansive taunt in the game and I love it
Other tidbits of useful information: You're in CH stun for the ENTIRE duration of the super's startup and fully vulnerable during the superflash. Almost every character can, on reaction to this, run up to you from basically full screen and take a turn. The startup is 200f (Including superflash). TWO HUNDRED. That's how long you have to approach and get his ass. Addition to Bedman's lack of launchers: Bedman's launchers are very hard to hit and require close proximity or specific counterhits - against an opponent that plays it slow and stable (basically every decent player) it is nigh impossible to hit this (especially from neutral). Do keep in mind that Bedman 6P is also prone to trading. This super could be better if Bedman had decent lockdown in his pressure since jumping out is powerful against him, but Bedman's pressure is naturally riddled with gaps. This makes true blockstrings with only limited answers like some other setplay characters wishful thinking for the Bedman player.
Reading these comments is immaculating as a man and as a fellow fighting game enjoyer. There's no way in hell I'd be able to keep all this in my head and react accurately in any given moment. Then thinking it would be very helpful to know these write-ups on other characters so I can develop counter play just further moves the goal post. Now if you'll excuse me, there is a corner that's begging for some sulking.
@@YukonJack You get this type of knowledge overtime just from playing. I usually learn a combo and just start playing, going to training/resources when I hit a wall. Couple months later I can write a thesis paper on my character's kit. When I see Bedman do this move all I think in the moment is: keep moving, hit sheep safely or hit Bedman.
> "it goes away if you hit it 3 times" me: ok well surely that's not that bad if you're pressuring them? > "it goes away after 8-9 seconds" me: alright that kinda sucks but that's still a decent amount of time spent controlling space right? > "any attack that hits bedman gets rid of it, including DAA, burst, and blitz shield" me: *_oh no_*
thats exactly what i thought too, the super would be miles better if it didnt go away upon getting hit, it'd just be like narrowly useful for some fucked up oki or something
@@polar6066 Correct, people usually placed him near the bottom or middle of top tier, some referred to him as "the most honest broken character". Now in rev2 he's kinda miserable lol. For a good bit of Xrd Sign people hilariously didn't recognize how good he was, he was a sleeper top tier 🙃
It's really powerful suppression tool especially against Potemkin. You pretty much lock him as he can't jump, if you put pressure enough and manage to air launch him, you can get instant stun as well.
I'd argue that there is one more _ABSURDLY_ niche use for Hemi Jack. If you throw it out and your opponent actually gets hit by it, then it shows that they have NO experience in the Bedman MU, allowing you to exploit that. Now, granted, there are other options to test their MU knowledge, but Hemi Jack is funnier.
if you cancel into this move on sweep it sets up for very rewarding strike/throw mix since they cant jump. Bedman does have better mix ups that cost less meter though.
I just use this shit to put fear in someone, especially when they dont have bar. But to do the set up you need 75% bar....why Daisuke changed his 6H ,_,
"Summons our savior, the evil, black, giant, sheep that will slowly float towards our opponent. The start-up of this overdrive will summon Lord Sheep behind our opponents, but it takes a few seconds for our new Lord to awaken and begin homing towards the intended sacrifice. The great sheep disappears if Bedman is hit but not if Bedman blocks. You must please our Sheep overlord by not getting hit. Play cautiously fellow believer and the Sheep shall grant you salvation. The Sheep Lord is gracious of its followers and is generous enough to shield us from enemy projectiles. Non-believers can attack and knock away the Sheep. Their efforts are fruitless however, for the Sheep has no life bar and is almighty. The Sheep Lord has a timer before he gives up chase in frustration. As a worshiper, it is your duty to present our Sheep Lord with a sacrifice as swiftly as possible. Do not make our God wait. The sheep does not believe in damage, and thus only does 10 damage. However, the true wisdom of our God lies in dizzy damage. Our Sheep lord deals massive amounts of dizzy damage, that will guarantee dizzy on raw hit. You can combo into our Sheep Lord, but the dizzy damage he graciously provides to us will be scaled as well. Our Lord does not like to share, and prefers the entirety of the opponent to himself."
Sure, Bedman Is most likely never coming back. BUT the "Bed™" was being shown as a tease last year by Arc. So they got something in the oven related to him.
ty, i was just going to coment a while ago that your pfp is literaly his super, but forgot to say so, was wondering if you had spoken about that, now i can see it is indeed obvious
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As someone that uses Hemi Jack semi-unironically, here some other sad facts:
- While the sheep is out it reduces tension gain by -80% (same penalty as Roman Canceling), essentially making it cost 4 tension bars since during this time we could have generated extra tension
- We can use throw into the sheep in the corner, but doing so won't stun the opponent due to scaling
- Outside 1H, Task C, Corner 5D and Blitz Attack, Bedman has no moves to launch the other player into the sheep, all of them being slow and reactable
- Sheep into Instant Kill is never a true combo (without IK conditions), even with 4 tension bars 5D + Task A' setups in the corner, but specially on midscreen because it puts Bedman far away from the stunned opponent
- In Rev 2.0 it could hit people in the ground, but this was nerfed because of the new 6H keeping people in blockstun too long, giving Bedman a reliable unblockable like Johnny and Elphelt
Hemi Jack is the most expansive taunt in the game and I love it
Other tidbits of useful information:
You're in CH stun for the ENTIRE duration of the super's startup and fully vulnerable during the superflash. Almost every character can, on reaction to this, run up to you from basically full screen and take a turn.
The startup is 200f (Including superflash). TWO HUNDRED. That's how long you have to approach and get his ass.
Addition to Bedman's lack of launchers:
Bedman's launchers are very hard to hit and require close proximity or specific counterhits - against an opponent that plays it slow and stable (basically every decent player) it is nigh impossible to hit this (especially from neutral). Do keep in mind that Bedman 6P is also prone to trading.
This super could be better if Bedman had decent lockdown in his pressure since jumping out is powerful against him, but Bedman's pressure is naturally riddled with gaps. This makes true blockstrings with only limited answers like some other setplay characters wishful thinking for the Bedman player.
Reading these comments is immaculating as a man and as a fellow fighting game enjoyer. There's no way in hell I'd be able to keep all this in my head and react accurately in any given moment. Then thinking it would be very helpful to know these write-ups on other characters so I can develop counter play just further moves the goal post. Now if you'll excuse me, there is a corner that's begging for some sulking.
@@YukonJack You get this type of knowledge overtime just from playing. I usually learn a combo and just start playing, going to training/resources when I hit a wall. Couple months later I can write a thesis paper on my character's kit.
When I see Bedman do this move all I think in the moment is: keep moving, hit sheep safely or hit Bedman.
> "it goes away if you hit it 3 times"
me: ok well surely that's not that bad if you're pressuring them?
> "it goes away after 8-9 seconds"
me: alright that kinda sucks but that's still a decent amount of time spent controlling space right?
> "any attack that hits bedman gets rid of it, including DAA, burst, and blitz shield"
me: *_oh no_*
thats exactly what i thought too, the super would be miles better if it didnt go away upon getting hit, it'd just be like narrowly useful for some fucked up oki or something
The Dustloop entry on this move is the stuff of beauty
it's on par with GGML potemkin's dustloop page
Sacrifice for the Sheep Lord 🐑
@@bassbusterx Thank you. I had never read this and now I feel like a fool for ever complaining about alex in SFV.
Bedman has so many tools that could have made him busted but they tuned him so honestly for having such a dishonest looking moveset
i thought he was a SS like SSato before they turned him into zato-tier
@@polar6066 Correct, people usually placed him near the bottom or middle of top tier, some referred to him as "the most honest broken character". Now in rev2 he's kinda miserable lol. For a good bit of Xrd Sign people hilariously didn't recognize how good he was, he was a sleeper top tier 🙃
He used to be a CRAZY character back I'm the day
@@user-dx7ej6cs5t I’ve only played rev2 bedman. What was he like on release/in sign?
@@sneeze4100 damn that’s crazy. I can definitely feel his limitations in xrd but he’s too fun to put down!
It's one thing to land Hemijack. It's another to kill with it, surprised you didn't mention that it does only 10 damage
Its a combo started, even if it were good why would you ever need the first hit to kill?
@@deddrz2549mental damage
It's DOES indeed feel good when it hits. And despite being bad, it's the 3rd most menacing looking super: 1st GAMMA RAY
2nd DI Tyrant Rave.
I bet Bedman's most horrifying nightmare is getting instadeathed by Dan's supreme taunt super.
Good comment
It's really powerful suppression tool especially against Potemkin.
You pretty much lock him as he can't jump, if you put pressure enough and manage to air launch him, you can get instant stun as well.
I'd argue that there is one more _ABSURDLY_ niche use for Hemi Jack. If you throw it out and your opponent actually gets hit by it, then it shows that they have NO experience in the Bedman MU, allowing you to exploit that.
Now, granted, there are other options to test their MU knowledge, but Hemi Jack is funnier.
The dustloop page for this super is hilarious
if you cancel into this move on sweep it sets up for very rewarding strike/throw mix since they cant jump. Bedman does have better mix ups that cost less meter though.
Yeah, really any set up that involves Hemi Jack is beat Bedman's usual set-play. It's sad though 'cuz I really like the look of the super.
All hail the sheep demon.
Gotta love how the most intimidating-looking super is the worst super of the game.
WHAT THE NECO ARC DOING IN THE JAR
:)
I just use this shit to put fear in someone, especially when they dont have bar. But to do the set up you need 75% bar....why Daisuke changed his 6H ,_,
I love how when you successfully catch axl your punish throws him out of the corner
Terumi’s Venomous Bite: Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will go nowhere!!!
Bedman: _Guard dashes through the counter super_
Terumi: _Walks forward, missing the sheep in the air_
"Summons our savior, the evil, black, giant, sheep that will slowly float towards our opponent. The start-up of this overdrive will summon Lord Sheep behind our opponents, but it takes a few seconds for our new Lord to awaken and begin homing towards the intended sacrifice.
The great sheep disappears if Bedman is hit but not if Bedman blocks. You must please our Sheep overlord by not getting hit. Play cautiously fellow believer and the Sheep shall grant you salvation.
The Sheep Lord is gracious of its followers and is generous enough to shield us from enemy projectiles.
Non-believers can attack and knock away the Sheep. Their efforts are fruitless however, for the Sheep has no life bar and is almighty.
The Sheep Lord has a timer before he gives up chase in frustration. As a worshiper, it is your duty to present our Sheep Lord with a sacrifice as swiftly as possible. Do not make our God wait.
The sheep does not believe in damage, and thus only does 10 damage. However, the true wisdom of our God lies in dizzy damage. Our Sheep lord deals massive amounts of dizzy damage, that will guarantee dizzy on raw hit. You can combo into our Sheep Lord, but the dizzy damage he graciously provides to us will be scaled as well. Our Lord does not like to share, and prefers the entirety of the opponent to himself."
Seems like a real good tool for corner pressure, after knockdown, and for resets. There’s for sure worse ones in the game.
The fix: be so dumb that you can't remember the combination for the super.
hemi jack's description in the dustloop wiki is so silly lol
Its like a status effect on Strive but a super.... SO ITS TRAAAASH
Suppose things like this can be considered reasons to be thankful we'll never have to see bedman in a GG game ever again in the forseeable future
Sure, Bedman Is most likely never coming back. BUT the "Bed™" was being shown as a tease last year by Arc. So they got something in the oven related to him.
Damn boy do i have bad news for you
:)
It’s like, you could do sweep-> hemi jack on hit but like wouldn’t you rather just refresh a spinner seal and get 2-3 mixups off it?
badman
ty, i was just going to coment a while ago that your pfp is literaly his super, but forgot to say so, was wondering if you had spoken about that, now i can see it is indeed obvious
Holy sheep
They had to balance the Bullshit he put on screen turning this into a Whole Different "Simon Says *Die*" Game
That one wallstreet bro in the comments: Sheeps and wolves, brah!
this gives buying low and selling high and all new meaning
So you’re saying it’s Strive Eddie
its probably so weak cause insta kills still exists in xrd