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Daniel Smith Dupes- Cheaper Alternatives to my Favorite Shades
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Hey everyone! Today's video is about some cheaper "dupes" to some of my favorite Daniel Smith shades.
A few clarifications:
I love Daniel Smith's watercolors and use them everyday. Their color range is unparalleled, they are vegan and perform beautifully. However, being in Europe, they are probably the most expensive brand for me and so, I try to find cheaper and more local alternatives.
For most standard shades that most brands carry in their range it's not a problem, but Daniel Smith has many unique shades. Some I have not been able to dupe, but others have some good alternatives out there.
The prices I mention are what I found, at the time of filming.
Make sure you shop around for the best deal in your part of the world.
The dupes shown here are not identical.
Not in formula, not in performance and may not be easily available in some parts of the world. In my opinion they are a good option.
Please do your own research and decide for yourself if they can work for you.
Here are the dupes in the video with (affiliate) links-
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Jackson's- bit.ly/2SBaLrH
Blick's- shrsl.com/249w0
Dupe for Daniel Smith Moonglow-
Aquarius Przybysz's Grey (or Shadow Violet)- bit.ly/34ozEg8
Dupe for DS Sleeping Beauty Turquoise-
Schmincke Cobalt Green Turquoise (pigment is PB36)- bit.ly/2XP6toh
Dupes for DS Lavender-
PWC Lavender- bit.ly/3ayJ50n
Holbein Lavender (not shown in video)
Van Gogh Lavender (Not available in open stock at Jackson's) - bit.ly/2kA7Ogr
Rembrandt Lavender- bit.ly/2LDpiEx
Dupe for DS Wisteria-
PWC Lilac- bit.ly/3ayJ50n
Dupe for DS Hematite Violet Gen.
Aquarius Caput Mortuum- bit.ly/34ozEg8
Dupe for Lunar Black-
Aquarius Black - bit.ly/34ozEg8
Dupe for Imperial Purple-
Aquarius Mineral Violet- bit.ly/34ozEg8
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I love van gogh paints. I wish I knew about them before I bought my cotman palette. I just think they behave so much nicer and the pigment payout is better. I had to really work to get vibrant colours. As a result I often mix my colours too bright now when using other paints. More practice required 😂
Totally agree. I think Van Gogh are superior to Cotman, I enjoy them as much as I enjoy my artist grade paints. Also they are very intense and need a controlled hand...
I am watching this in 2023 and I think Van Gogh is the best student grade paints out there. I live in Canada and Daniel Smith is cheaper at Jackson’s than any store here. I find that strange since I am in Vancouver and Daniel Smith is in Seattle go figure.
My favorite watercolors are my White Nights. I love that new palate! Looks more functional than the large plastic white ones. I have to look for one now!
I totally agree on the new palette. The plastic one is good if one has a lot of space, wants a lot of mixing space, and only uses white nights paints. The metal palette has only one area of mixing, but it's so much more convenient, compact and versatile!
Irit Landgraf Where did you purchase it? I'm looking and haven't seen one for sale in the states.
@@planningwithjohn I got mine from a shop in Vienna Austria... I'm sure it will arrive to the US soon!
I too love my White Nights and can not wait for the tin to make it to America! The newest 10 colors from White Nights arrives Tuesday and I am so excited! @John Rush I have been a sub of yours for awhile too!
The new White Nights are on Amazon for around $25.
These comparisons are helpful, and the comments are awesome--I get a lot of tips from viewers, too! I bought the Van Gogh Lavender, and can confirm that it's very different from the Daniel Smith version which I use for stormy and sunset skies. It's much less granulating and doesn't separate into pinks, lavenders and greys like the DS version. But it's still a useful color and I'm sure I'll use it for skies when I want a different look, as an opaque accent, for florals and maybe muting shadows. Adding in a bit of PR259 or Potter's Pink might make it work for sunrises/sunsets. I think it reminds me more of my M Graham colors than my DS colors, i.e. I use the M Graham Cerulean when I don't want granulation but the DS or Winsor & Newton Pro to add texture. I can see how VG would be a very affordable paint to buy for beginners especially now that it's more widely available here in the US.
Thanks for sharing this great info! Looks like lots of interesting combos to try out :)
thanks for this. lunar black ds and aquarius black both use bk11. so i wonder did you find both paints as densely pigmented... as this would determine whether the aquarius is indeed much better value for money. in any case with your bk11 + phthalo blue b15, you can mix any number of lunar blue variations! and so have more flexibility than just the one mix that ds provide.
I found both as densely pigmented. I think Aquarius is better value. I have a tube of Lunar blue but once I run out I'll definitely try mixing my own, thanks!
Irit, Van Gogh has a Lunar Black version. It's called Oxide Black and it's gorgeous
Thanks Bruna, I recently picked it up and it's OK for me, but I prefer Daniel Smith's version which granulates more, at least the one I have 😀
Hi there! Love the comparisons and dupes. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this video for all of us. Wondering if, in future videos, you might also add the pigment numbers for each tube or color? That helps me to make a decision on my choices, as I prefer to avoid too many multi-pigment colors. Thank you once again for all your time and research into this!
Glad you enjoyed Pam! All the pigments can be found at Jackson's listings of these. It would make the videos even longer if I got into that so unfortunately I decided to only mention pigments here and there where it mattered most IMO.
I completely switched from my beloved Schmincke Horadam to white nights and don't regret it. I bought two colors of Daniel smith paints (Moonglow and Perlyenne Green) but hardly ever use them since I don't like them as much. I think here in Europe Schmincke and White Nights are the better alternatives.
I agree to a degree ;) Financially, no doubt. However DS has some unique shades that Schmincke and White Nights don't have, and also DS is vegan. I currently use a lot of Van Gogh (which I know are marketed in some countries as student grade), they perform wonderfully, as well as a few that I've tried from their big sister brand Rembrandt. Those are currently my go to more local , very affordable and vegan paints (Lukas is another option on my radar in the future!). Thanks for commenting!
I love Jackson’s. I order there quite a bit and I live in the US. They also have Roman Szmal paints❤️.
Correct! Link in the information section. It's a great addition to their stock, the Aquarius colors range is lovely.
interesting review. the issue is a lot of people like myself want to use the genuine colour as it is natural, we dont want to use a cobalt colour because of the toxins. But if it fades then unless we are only using in a art book away from sunlight its not worth it. What we need is a non toxic alternative to Sleeping Beauty.
Excellent video! I would love to see the White Nights watercolour set up.
I had a bottle leak form Jackson's. They were gracious about replacing after I sent pictures of packaging etc. Still am waiting for replacement...it always takes time to get orders though. But if I only need a very small order their shipping handling and postage is less than ordering from anyplace here in the USA. So yeah.....jacksons.
PLEASE DO MORE OF THeSE!!
Glad you enjoyed!
Thanks so much for these dupes and comparisons. I use Sennelier cobalt green as dupe for D.S sleeping beauty.
Thanks for letting us know D.S color turns grey. I can stop obsessing about getting it.💕
You're welcome Susan! I was happy to discover the dupe myself and also be rid of the obsession ;)
Not all DS's turn grey, some pigments are just not lightfast, so if this is used, the color will fade So that is for all brands the same, just depends on which pigments they decided to use
Your information is SO helpful !!! I have lots of DS watercolors as well as other brands but you make me want to get out a BIG sheet of paper and test them all. Thanks for saving us $.
Jackson’s also have reservoir brushes for sale!
Fantastic shop
Thank you SO MUCH! Would love to watch more of this kind.
You're so welcome!
Thanks for the video! The Aquarius colours are new to me, your video made me curious and I will have to go for a nice internet search-colours are so interesting to explore!
Glad you enjoyed Charlotta! Totally agree, so fun to explore!
In Canada, De Serres sells Daniel Smith Watercolours 15 ml starting at 16.97 for a 15 ml tube. Of course the price varies for the more expensive pigments, but I haven’t found better prices anywhere. They also offer free delivery within Canada starting at 75 dollars in most provinces. Unfortunately they only deliver within Canada… so if you are Canadian, check it out!
Thanks for sharing! I hope other Canadians will find this helpful! (I'm in Europe)
Please show us what colours you will choose to fill your nrw tin! 🥰
Yes Irit, if possible please do a video filling your new palette..and thanks for this video.
I'll work on it!
I really like using the Roman Szmal paints that are named "Aquarius...". The green and black are lovely. I love granulating and color separating paints, and when adding granulation medium to these..well, WOW. My favorite paints are DS, and I'm lucky to live in the US. I'm currently enjoying experimenting with 2 handmade paints..A Gallo, and Earth Mineral Arts..Watercolor is just plain fun!!! Great video btw.
Yes Aquarius has some very attractive mixtures! Enjoy experimenting!
how could i have missed this video?! this is great stuff, Irit, thank you for sharing these! :D i love it when you do these comparison/dupe videos and include affordable brands. i didn't know Sleeping Beauty turquoise will fade! now i can stop wanting it, thank you! do you think the Van Gogh turquoise green will be a good enough dupe for it?
Glad you enjoyed it! I wouldn't recommend Van Gogh as a dupe as it's not a cobalt that has similar performance to the mineral based paints. I would go with a cobalt turquoise or green turquoise (name changes with brand), even Daniel Smith's version is almost identical to Sleeping Beauty.
Van gogh oxide black is warmer, but a good dupe for lunar black. I actually like it better.
I live in the US and I ordered some of my White Nights from Jackson's at the end of last year/beginning of the year. It did take a few weeks but honestly I ordered around Christmas and it was coming from Sweden. They were so affordable and I'll definitely be expanding my collection by ordering from them again. I like that palette. Do you remember how much it was? I hope I can find it somewhere I can purchase it from. I'd love to watch a video on you setting it up. I bought a cheap metal palette and it isn't as sturdy as I would hope for. I shouldn't have bought one so cheap.
Glad you had a good experience Amber! For a very similar and as affordable experience, you can also try the Roman Szmal Aquarius watercolors :)
I live in Sweden and sadly there is no Jackson shop here. If you ordered from Sweden the White nights colours came from another shop than Jacksons. I really worry for Brexit because that means every order from the UK will become so expensive w custom fees!
Yes I worry about Brexit too!! Customs are so high!
I don't think they have a shop there, but for sure they have a warehouse because I've received several packages (Other than white nights, I actually don't remember where White Nights were sent from) from it over the years.
@@iritlandgraf yeah I've been hearing about that brand. I'm going to have to give them a try. Thanks!
@@SUSSDUE Ya they definitely have a warehouse. That's where my White Night were shipped from.
Van gogh dusk colors have dupes. Dusk yellow for undersea green, dusk violet for amethyst genuine, dusk green for white nights russian green. I havent found a dupe for dusk pink but its beautiful and i add a dollop to my professional paint palette.
Thanks for the suggestions! I totally agree dusk pink is a lovely color! I have it in my palette as well :)
Thanks for showing us some great substitutions, and I can't wait to try your class!!
I thought a half pan is approx 1.5ml and a full pan is approx 3.0ml?? I'll have to measure myself to figure out. Unless the Roman Smalz Aquarius pans are bigger, I think you said 6.5ml (unless I misunderstood). Anyway, I think the tubes are usually cheaper overall and last much longer--plus you can mix your own convenience mixes with some colors, which is fun. I like most of your substitute colors, except I think the DS Lavender has a lovely grey undertone and the DS Lunar Black is such a perfect neutral color. The Roman Smalz Aquarius line seems to have many close similarities to the Daniel Smith paints although some colors are closer to the Schmincke paints, so I'm looking forward to trying them. Aquarius Green seems to be very similar to Daniel Smith's Undersea Green.
I mentioned several times in past videos, and I think also in this one, within a brand, tubes are the most economical option (well with DS there are their sticks). However, if one has a budget of say 20$, one could get between 4-10 half pans or 1-2 tubes... So depending how fast you use up your paints, some might prefer to have more options are try more paints.
If you google how many ml in half/full pan you will get several answers. It varies. Depends on the pan. Also, dried paint in pans is more concentrated. Schmincke for example, use the same formula for their tube and pan paints. They do 3 pours to fill their pans. So you're actually getting more pigment per ml in their pans then in their tubes.
On the mixing part- absolutely. If one like to create interesting mixtures in larger quantaties, tubes are the way to go.
The Roman Szmal paints are lovely. Some are a little bit weak, but I can say the same about DS.
Glad you enjoyed!
Great information, thanks so much for the reply.
Hi! You also have another dupe for the granulating black: Van Gogh's Oxide Black, same pigment too PBk11 :D I use it to create my own "dusk colours" ;)
Thanks for sharing! I admit I picked up the Oxide black but I don't like it as much as I like Daniel Smith's Lunar black...
Hi! Thanks for the comparisons. I've been looking into the same Roman Szmql colors in your video coz they look interesting. Too bad it's a bit pricey to get them from Jackson when in Asia. As for DS vs Holbein dupes, Holbein is way cheaper here in Asia so there's really no contest 😀
Oh if I were located in Asia I'd buy Holbein for sure. They are lovely!
Since I mostly still use my Pelikan box (there's transparent colours manufactured by them) and the Van Gogh boxes I never had to worry about getting my hands on them, they are easily available at the Idee stores here in Germany. Whatever else I want, I'd usually buy via Amazon, which is probably not the cheapest place to buy from, but tried and tried and safe for me...
I also haven't bought any palettes ever even though those metal and emaille ones are really beautiful. I'm just that much of a cheap shit 😂 What I ordered though were a whole box of Koh-I-Noor Progresso Aquarelle pencils (I really liked the idea that I could sharpen those with less waste since those are woodless, just a barrel full of pressed pigment with a bit of lacquer to protect it from breaking) and since I'm planning on sewing a pencil case for all my watercolour pencils, I got an empty metal case to fill as a palette. So I just bought empty no-name half pans and stuck them to that tin box with magnetic tape that I had lying around and plan on just filling them with the shavings from the pencils. They re-wet nicely so I guess they'll do well in there, too. I'm also planning on toying around with those and a tube of oxide black (which seems to be the same pigment as that lunar black...) to make some dusk colours. I'm really curious if that works, but hey, if it works, it works - if not, I'll at least learned something new ;P
I agree with everything you say, I don't buy D.S. and I live in U.S. I like Van Gogh alot.I am not know Aquarius, but will check it out.
Thanks for this video. I'm loving it.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
I am constantly ordering products from Jackson's. Wonderful shop and not o e bad experience from them. Highly recommend them!🖤
I agree!
In Australia schminke cobalt touquise cost me 32 dollars for 15ml tube. All their paints are quite dear here, but I do love them.
It is beautiful paint!
Thanks so much for the great info! I’m definitely going to put this to good use. 🎨
Glad it was helpful!
I love jackson's art i can buy many art supplies i cant buy on my country or they are cheaper sometimes. The only problem is the mail company in my country. they loose the package or it takes a lot of time to send it when it arrived to the country.
Very frustrating!
Very helpful! Thank you so much 💖
Glad you enjoyed Nan!
Jackson fan here!!!!
In Ireland Daniel Smith tubes 15ml are €18 and then €8 delivery. Fml. That's $29
In playing with my greens tonight I realized Aquarius green is a great dupe for Undersea green. Just FYI:)
Good to know!
thank you so much for these suggestions for these dupes. I do have a quick question, where did you get the White Night's tin palatte? it's so cute.
You're welcome! I have a dedicated video to that tin, all the info is there in the video description :)
ruclips.net/video/JnTllI5WkT8/видео.html
Just tried a new moon glow dupe! Dusk violet by Van Gogh. I think it’s new and it’s amazing! Maybe a tad less pinky in some granulation but pretty close
Yeah I've spoken about the dusk colors many many times on my channel. I personally prefer moonglow as dusk violet has black granulation and not blue like moonglow but it is still a pretty color. My favorite of the dusk colors is pink ❤️
Jackson's Art Supplies are shipped from the UK. They just use Swedish Post for the non courier shipping. Guess its cheaper than Royal Mail...
Interesting! I always thought since it said Malmö it was send from Sweden...
Irit are you using Shin Han watercolors here or the hybrid watercolor/gouache?
PWC, not hybrid
Although I can get Daniel Smith here in Canada at my local art store, it's also wayy more expensive than in the states. I recently saw a 15ml tube of the Sleeping Beauty Turquoise in an art store in Ontario, for $40 cnd!! So like you I've gotten some colors that I think are worth it from them. Then I go to Van Gogh and Holbein for others, which are also available locally here for me.
Great video!!👏🏻
Thank you! I wouldn't buy sleeping beauty, cobalt turquoise from most brands is almost identical and lightfast, unlike sleeping beauty.
@@iritlandgraf oh, I totally agree!! I've got cobalt turquoise that I love💙
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i don't know why i didn't check this sooner, probably because i got the Van Gogh Lavender and forgot about getting the artist grade versions but i thought this might be interest anyone in the western hemisphere .... i'm in southeast asia and the (euivalent to euro) prices at my local store for the 15ml Lavenders are Holbein = 5.03 EUR Shinhan PWC = 5.84 EUR and then 15ml Lilacs are Holbein = 5.03 EUR Shinhan PWC = 5.17 EUR. and... the DS lunar black/RS Aquarius black... i have the vangogh oxide black, also PBk11, it looks very similar. i don't have the artist grade versions so i wouldn't know but if anyone knows, do let me know :)
Good to know, thanks!
I was beyond excited when I found the Aquarius paints at Jackson's. I still need the pastel colors from White Nights and a few of their Gouache paints before I can start collecting the full line of Aquarius. But where to start? Do I get one of each color group or all of one color? Do I get all warm or all cool or a nice mix of both and which ones do I even choose? Of such a dilemma. Hahaha
Haha while I cannot deny I am also a collector, I think one should focus on getthing the supplies you use and love the most. So I would start with either a few of my most used watercolors, but even better, some unique colors for the brand. If you have the entire White Nights range, there really isn't a reason to get most of the Aquarius ones. Pick some of their unique shades to enhance your white nights collection :)
@@iritlandgraf , that's funny you said that because I was thinking exactly that this morning. I really liked that moonglow version you showed the other day so that would definitely go in the collection. They have a few others I really want, but you are right, it would be redundant to get them all, it's a collector thing not a artistic thing hahaha. Life is so hard, 😉💜
Lol totally!!
idk if u have access to d.s. sticks but if u do they have moonglow in the sticks & they are a much cheaper way to get the same colors than the tubes of either size, even here in usa. hope that helps someone.
edit: or add-on, whatever ya wanna call it. that is amazing & confusing that d.s. sleeping beauty turquoise watercolor turns grey since turquoise actually turns green if it turns at all (i believe it's all about the body oils more than light though since it turns on me & my chemistry does that to several different stones). anyway so weird.
I have a couple of sticks from DS, I know they are the most economical... I admit I prefer the tubes but maybe for my next moonglow I'll consider it, since I'm on my 3rd tube now...
@@iritlandgraf same here, tubes are my favorite. wish i could help you to get paints, your customs sounds bad, our mail prices have gone up a bit but i don't think it's gone up enough for all the horror stories i been hearing about the cost of shipping from here. the sellers must be getting greedy about their shipping prices.
Thank you Crystaline! Having friends also ship stuff to me occasionally, shipping is horrible... Companies get discounts because of their large amounts of packages, but small businesses do not. It's just another reminder and reason to try and buy as locally as possible... Luckily there are good European options for many art supplies :)
@@iritlandgraf that's true but it's still frustrating to not be able to get what you're attracted to when you see it online. most of us cannot afford or justify spending what some of the supplies end up costing, then like you say you and so many others have the price of customs. hopefully some day soon this world will balance out so things will be more friendly and fair all around. have a great week!
Hallo Irit - actually DS is available in a shop in Vienna. But the colours are soooooo expensive. and after I once got one of those genuine colours and was so disapointed. and I didn't see the price before paying. also the shade was not like on the dot card (have been told, that this sometimes is so with a few of DS colours). so I am so pissed off, that I wont buy them anymore. but they are available. and also just resently, there was a -20% incentive in their online-shop (which is in Germany)
Yup, agreed. Sooo expensive. I have bought some at Boesner in Vienna (Graz's Boesner doesn't carry them) and at Gerstaecker. I really try to buy only DS colors I am totally in love with and cannot replace with Rembrandt because of the high price tag. At the moment those are Moonglow and Cascade Green :)
@@iritlandgraf I got the one genuine one, that was extra expensive in Vienna. 5th destrickt at gerstaecker. full price of course. I have two other 'regular' DS tubes, which I had ordered during lock down with discount. just to get to know DS. the disadvantage of buying from some of the stores is, you don't get the discounts, you can get online. maybe one could, and I don't get the information!? I don't understand the concept. a pitty. I actually love real shops, although this one is a bit far away from the next bus stop (say's a spoiled Viannese women ;-D )
@@nursen2106 that is strange! Maybe they have to sell at full price in real shops because they have more overhead expenses? Oh how I love Vienna, I miss it all the time and try to visit regularly!
@@iritlandgraf I have to take that back. Today I was in the shop. just about 2 hours ago. and there I could see some tables with current discounts/special offers - this time for brushes. but the online shop has different current offers. I hadn't seen such sort of table/price sheets before. and even today I just noticed them, because one had a picture of a brush I held in my hand and I wanted to know the full name. ok. now I know, how these look like, I will be more attentive. I think, the online shop has different offers coulb be, because it is managed from the German location. Just guessing
I've been trying to get get hold of that White Nights palette, but I can't seem to find it somewhere that'll ship to Sweden 😭
Sorry to hear! I got mine from Gerstaecker, perhaps you'll have luck there?? Fingers crossed!
@@iritlandgraf I actually found them right after seeing this video - I went on a hunt for Austrian art shops 🤣 unfortunately, they have a €150 minimum for international orders, so, um, nope :P I've got a couple of UK friends, I might ask them to get it for me. There's a UK shop that sells the tin, but they of course don't ship internationally 🤷
@@FaerieDust have you tried ebay? i know that some people do not trust it but there are several sellers from russia that sell & they say they ship anywhere, i have bought from 3 of them & was very happy with them other than it takes a long time to get them to the usa (finally found someone selling them here though). i wish you good luck.
@@crystalinedreams6039 Yeah, I've got my eye on eBay - there's nothing up right now (at least nothing I can find)(the empty metal palette, I mean). There's a 21 pan Sonnet set in a gorgeous yellow tin, but I just want an empty tin... I'm not in any rush though. Sooner or later I'll find what I'm looking for 🤷
@@FaerieDust odd, they don't even have them on their site stpetersburgwatercolours.com/boxsets.html#!/~/product/id=64746&prid=0&ctid=0&scid=9&tp=pc
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Thanks so much for this video
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Dupes need to feel like they work for the user so that the user doesn’t need to buy the original and is happy with their dupe. That’s a proper dupe to me! For me I use lots of watercolour and only get tubes. Because I make my own dupes I also require tubes to make dupes. I also encourage everyone to pre mix their own half/full pans of custom mixes. Not just dupes but more unique colours you discovered on your own! I have dupes for colours I haven;t seen in person and am guessing but the dupe makes me happy so I save money. I advise researching pigments and going with your local best quality/prices. Invest in the largest tubes of the most useful colours for mixing custom colours with!
Look at the pigment info and do experiments. Sometimes look up a specific dupe on RUclips. I also mixed more lightfast versions. Such as my moon glow dupe uses only more lightfast colours. I used Daniel smith Cobalt teal blue in the mix as well so that helped it be closer. Know one owns a colour. I’m in Canada and it’s easier and cheaper for me to directly purchase (the Lower -mid DS) paints than the European brands. Except Van Gogh those are amazing and I personally consider them full art grade! For Van Gogh let them dry a few days before using as they are odd right for the tube but great rewet from dry.
Where I give M.graham, Van Gogh and sometimes even Daniel Smith are my best options.
Even still when I do invest in Daniel smith I go by what is more unique and best for making my own custom mixes (dupes and my own).
Plus the Sennilier starter box I got that for $20 CAD best deal ever!
Anyways goby where you are in the world your needs and budget. Collect in priority order (and based on what’s not sold out), research the most useful by pigment and over time build up a collection. Think about potential dupes and mixes to help your decisions. Lightfastness is also a consideration. I still use non lightfast but I KNOW when I am.
Dupes for me is primarily mixes.
Have fun everyone.
Liebe Irit, was machst Du jetzt, wo England nicht mehr in der EU ist mit Deinen Jacksons Bestellungen. Ich schrecke davor zurück, wegen den Zollgebühren. Ich bin in Deutschland. Wie ist das in Österreich?
Sadly I rarely order from them. Only if it's items I can't find here. I buy locally at Boesner and order from Gerstaecker and Peter's Art 😃
How do they re-wet? The Aquarius. Thanks
Beautifully :)
the first - moonglow and aquarius - actually, it should be easy to dupe. one can add some of the blue to aquarius. why not? in the end, it is just an granulating blue (maybe a tiny bit of frensh ultramarine could be helpful)
I know Kimberly something here on RUclips, so sorry but she has a super popular channel that for the life of me I cannot remember the name of... She showed some dupes. I love Moonglow and use it for ease, not having to mix up my own everytime I want to use it, which is in most paintings...
@@iritlandgraf yeah! I know - also can't remember the name :-)
I just saw @ Kimberly Crick Art that Moonglow is not very ligthfast at all due to the PR177 in it. The one of Aquarius has also PR177, so might be the same for this one. She shows in that video that you can actually make it yourself of 50% Virdian, 30% French ultramarine (Schmincke's one is best, cause of its granulation) and 20% of another red like Quin coral.
Thanks for the info! Personally I don't really care about lightfastness, and I really love Moonglow as it is, use quite a bit of it, so happy to have it as a convenience color straight from the tube. But of course this is useful information for anyone concerned about lightfastness 🎨
@@iritlandgraf Me neither, but this one seems to dull very quickly, such a shame of the pricy paint... You can can also mix it from tubes and than put your mix it in a pan, so you dont have to mix every time. ;) Thanks for the vid!
Glad you enjoyed! Interestingly, Jane Blundell's lightfastness testing of a year and a half I think resulted in quite different results. Both Moonglow and Shadow Violet were unchanged, so I'll cherry pick my sources 😉
Thank you. I m poor. Daniel smith is super expensive in Canada.
I understand, it's probably even more expensive here in Europe. Glad it was helpful!
Yes.... we got it. Way too expensive in the US.
You say it’s expensive in Europe but to be honest it’s expensive here in the U.S. too haha
I know, it's not a cheap paint by any means, but it's still cheaper in the US (understandably since it's made there) :)
Irit Landgraf Definitely. Honestly I would never buy Daniel Smith watercolors if I lived in Europe. I mean it’s great quality but if you paint a lot the price really isn’t worth it when there are other paints that are just as good and cheaper, especially if you cam get more paint per tube
The more I paint the more I realise I only want very specific paints from DS, or more accurately, I have other brands that are made in the EU and are cheaper. Some just don't have good alternatives that are also vegan, and some colors are quite special, and I haven't found good dupes...
Honestly, when I first started watercolors I was confronted with DS on the internet and thought it was a great brand. I got a few Duochromes because I'd never seen paints like that. But now I'm somewhat underwhelmed by them. Yes they do have nice paints, but they are so damned expensive. I'd rather buy Coliro paints, they might not be as economical because they don't come in tubes. But they are cheaper and much more vibrant.
My last investment in DS was a swatch card so I can replicate colors I like for a lot cheaper. My biggest tipp on saving money is to look at pigment info. Example, Lavender in van Gogh and Renbrandt have the exact same pigments. Why would I pay more for Rembrandt if it has the same ingredients as van Gogh?
I feel the same about everything you wrote. One thing tho worth mentioning, I think you're right with that particular example of lavender, but sometime it's not the same pigment (dusk pink for example), or it's the same pigment but it can theoretically contain higher percentage of said pigment than Van Gogh. But yes, colors like lavender that have white in them are sometimes not worth the price tag of premium priced artist grade paints if there's a cheaper alternative.
@@iritlandgraf That is true. Also there might be several variations of one pigment, PV19 for example has many hues, or PR101. Pigment information can also help recreate mixes. Take DS Moonglow. It looks very nice, but the red component is fugitive. So I'd rather mix it myself and use a different, more lightfast pigment instead.
schmincke do four pours actually. wait weeks in between each pouring.
Even better!
This was interesting and very useful - thank you! +Subscribed :)
Thanks! Glad to have you here Jessa!
Hi Irit, I really like your videos especially this kind about paints. I too love Schmincke Horadam watercolors but unfortunately i don’t buy them because they contain oxgall which is an animal product and one need to kill animals to get it. The Schminke Akabemie line though is completely vegan!
Yay! A fellow vegan! (hopefully) Yes, I've also stopped buying Schmincke Horadam and will not buy anymore. I've switched to Van Gogh and Rembrandt :)
love Jackson's
I paused at 7:39
Moonglow left, Roman Szmal przybyz(?) grey. 😜
Haha well done!
In the Netherlands DS is les expensive in comperison to the prices in your video
Good to know, I used prices from Jackson's in the UK
@@iritlandgraf vanbeek is one of my fav shops here in NL, or gerstaecker (DE)
I buy sometimes from Gerstaecker as well, and will be more often now that I have to pay customs for UK orders, but their Daniel Smith watercolors are more expensive than Jackson's. I will check the NL shop, thanks!
Thank you xxxxxx
You're welcome!
I order from online shop gerstaecker and they deliver for free with a order above €100,-. gerstaecker is Germany based and I live in Holland. Austria shouldn't be a problem with gerstaecker but I am not sure
I rarely order over 100€... Also their prices are higher than Jackson's who offer free shipping for much less. I ordered one time the tin I show at the beginning of the video because Jackson's didn't carry it. They have a shop in Vienna, that's where my stuff was shipped from, not Germany 😉
@@iritlandgraf I see and understand. Jackson is indeed cheaper in delivery but for me Jackson isn't working well. almost everytime I searched for something they don't have it. and I don't favour their payment options. everybody has their preferences 😊 I recently searched at Jackson for schmincke new aquadrop and they had a nice deal on them but... once I clicked it said not in stock. by now local shops start to have them as well and a bit cheaper as schmincke comes from Germany and I am from Holland. that's a bit cheaper to get it here than from England. so I don't need to wait till Jackson have them. but I ordered Windsor newton lifting preparation at Jackson and the delivery was a good experience. they just often don't have what I search for that's the only reason I don't order from Jackson. besides that I also have a cute but large local art supply shop who sell Daniel Smith paints a bit cheaper and with every order so far they included a free test sample of random art supplies. I like that shop a lot. I order or buy from that store usually and only if they don't have a item I am looking for I go to gerstaecker as they have everything.
kreativ.de is the same shop as GERSTAECKER, but there is free shipping under 50 €. They have a big selection of White Nights as well as other brands.
I apologize for the previous comment.my naughty boy got into my cell and posted it without me knowing😕.I really love your videos
Lol I guess YT deleted it, I didn't see it... Glad you enjoyed!
I deleted it when he told me what he's done eventually😊These kids....
Haha they keep us busy ;)
Have you ever checked out Van Beek Art Supplies? As far as i know. It is the cheapest source of Daniel Smith Watercolor in europe. It is located in the Netherlands.
No, never! Thanks for the tip!
Jackson's is great and if you don't get the product in the mail they will replace it.
OK now I've watched the whole thing. Thanks for this, it's exactly what is needed for us Europeans.
I literally bought Moonglow 5ml a few days ago and was underwhelmed because I already had the RS one and was thinking it can't be as good as DS. Wrong.
Ps I see you got the black palette, I don't know if you saw the ones I recommended stpetersburgwatercolours.com/cart.html#!/~/product/id=64746&prid=0&ctid=18&scid=9&tp=pl
But they have the extra mixing side. You can get these in the larger size but only prefilled.
Also, yes please do a vid of you filling this palette.
Lastly... Lunar blue dupe.. Try mixing a little phthalo blue into the granulating black. 😁
They are super cute tins Christine! I love that light purple... I do have a gazillion of those same tins in different colors, so I don't know if I can justify getting these too. For now ;)
I will try that dupe for Lunar blue! I really don't like Phthalo blue for some reason, but that would be finally putting it to some good use! I have only a 5ml tube of Lunar Blue, so if I can dupe it once it's done, I'm all for it!
@@iritlandgraf I am waiting for my Jacksons order of Aquarius black to try this myself. It's the same pigment Pbk11 mixed with a phthalo blue in the lunar blue. I'm not adverse to filling up a pre mixed pan.
Re the palettes, I really need the large light mauve one, so much it hurts lol.
Haha I know! I feel the same pain!!
Can you give us the link for the White Nights empty palette box? It has an extra row for the size of the box! Also, the most granulating PBk11 that I've seen is by Winsor and Newton (dupe for Lunar Black that I prefer over Daniel Smith).
www.gerstaecker.at/White-Nights-Aquarellkaesten-leer.html
@@iritlandgraf Thanks Irit! I'll poke around US sites to see if I can find it, but if not maybe Gerstaecker will ship to me.
@@iritlandgraf On their UK site they sell a 35 pan set with 5 rows but I can't find it empty anywhere. :( stpetersburgwatercolours.com/cart.html#!/~/product/id=64746&prid=252&ctid=8&tp=pv
Well it is mauve and pretty ;) I'm sure it will arrive to the US soon!
Windsor Newton doesn't play nice with Daniel Smith paints, it also is harder to rewet and doesn't have as good of a color pay-off as DS, Davinci, Schminke, or Holbein.
Ich bin wirklich angetan von Roman Szmal, hohe Qualität, große Auswahl und angemessener Preis. Besonders Indigo gefällt mir sehr gut.
Thanks for sharing!
you can get 28 white nights full pans in that tin you have.
Sadly I can only get 24 because I mix Aquarius pans wityh the white nights ones and they are slighly bigger, but I can see how 8 White Nights pans would fit in a row. I like the palette a lot!
these are just hue dupes :(
And? Well actually some have the exact same pigments.
schmincke pans must be 4 layers - 4 rounds of drying tem. there is a short video on their homepage, in case, one wants to see
Yup, saw it. Their paint is perfection, no doubt about it!