OSDD: The Importance of Listening
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- In this video from The CTAD Clinic, Dr Mike Lloyd (Clinic Director) discusses ways of being able to understand, decode and manae inernal communication from within Other Specified Dissociative Disorder (OSDD).
This is a technique recommended within therapy settings. #otherspecifieddissociativedisorder #osdd #dissociativeidentitydisorder #did #therapy
Thank you - really appreciated the reminder to listen! It’s so easy to slip back into not listening - or listening and then shutting down - but everyone truly needs to be heard, and to know that they are heard.
It would be awesome if you did a video about how the inner world works. I am aware not every system has an innerworld, but some do have an incredibly rich innerworld that even affects reality, and I would love to hear you talking about it if you haven't done it yet!
This is great, thanks. I wish that more health professionals watch this, OSDD is so complex and important. Thank you so much... and that self neglect and its link to trauma is so real
Before hearing the content of the video, I want to appreciate the illustration in the thumbnail.
I liked it a lot, too!
Still haven't found a therapist here in California. Really wished CTAD clinic could have cross the seas and provided therapy. I do hope you all are doing well! I recall the one question that was asked, "What do you think is going on?" It's always been unanswerable. Even after watching many videos of yours. Autism? Dissociation? Derealization? How deep or far does it go? The more I can keep myself away from anything that can be emotionally disruptive or uncomfortable the quieter it is. There's a lot of isolation on my part. It's safer from the different (internal) sides of me and I can quell that voice inside that says it's not safe out in the world even when my rationale says everything is okay.
This one video resonated so much. (Maybe because that phase or title made me listen, today?) I didn't realize this can all be so internal and yet I must admit there has been some sort of switching even if there has been a great deal of denial on my part. This video clears up some of the things that make everything about my mind and situation not exactly identifiable (because I am not a professional) but maybe more clearer. If I were to answer that question today; I would probably say there is potential for OSDD. I've had a long time to think about what's going on and trying to brush anything that comes to the surface away. Thank you, Dr. Lloyd.
Lots and great thinking about depth, I truly hope you find some equally great answers.
I'm right there w/ you... I'm not sure what's going on precisely & I have a wonderful trauma-informed therapist, but she's still an intern. I have a general framework & someone who is genuinely supportive when I need it, but a lot of unanswered questions remain. So... Whatever it is that's going on, hopefully tools like this can AT LEAST foster self-validation & self-empathy. It's really the best I can do rn.
Will absolutely rewatch this video as needed for occasional assistance with the beginning of this journey. Thank you greatly for always delivering useful and easy to understand information. ^^ ☆
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you very much for this video ! I have a pDID and diagnosed 3 years ago already , and still it’s difficult for me to listen and understand , especially because they don’t trust me and many are not allowed to speak . It is very relief to hear that you say that it realy is a difficult thing and maybe not only me as the ANP doing wrong . Maybe it just takes time . Thank you very much ! ( and excuse me if I make mistakes I have only a bit English. Therefor it’s also good you speak so clear )
It can take time, patience, all of it. Tiring, yes, but ultimately rewarding.
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Thank you very much!
I think this makes sense as first steps… Trying to provide two way communication, and in particular trying to organize with the system safe spaces/pace and tempo for overwhelming emotions. But i think “I’m the person” and “I’m listing” is … for our system, not helpful. The “person” at the front gets to experience autonomy, and the ability to heal through the body when fronting. What our system found was far more important was empowering all the alters in the system to build the skills to front, to be autonomous, to experience the passage of time, to actually front. So in that case, the goal was to reduce the amount of latency between “the person” at the front “hearing an alter inside -> and -> the time it takes to verbalize”. This is because all conscious memory is 500ms (1/2 second) behind unconscious experience. By reducing the lag from “hearing to saying” down from 2 seconds, to 1 second, to 0.5 second.. eventually the alter inside is now in control of the front -> there is no delay between thinking a thought and saying it. And now, now you’re really in a position to heal “as a first class person”.
Thanks for this video. This is spot on. This was absolutely my experience when I started trauma therapy. The early stages of developing internal communication were so intense and difficult. The trauma feelings came flooding in like a tidal wave and it was extremely hard to contain. But the more I persevered and practiced the grounding skills and nervous system regulation, and as my therapist helped me through the rough patches, the easier it got. In the beginning, I only ever let the feelings in when I was in session and knew I had support, and I stayed dissociated otherwise. But eventually I began to trust that I could tolerate feeling the difficult emotions, even though they were intense, and I was able to listen to my parts and utilize my grounding and self-regulation skills outside of my therapy sessions as well. Learning to listen and treat my parts with compassion was so helpful. I used to hate them and push them away. Some of them I put in a cage. I was kind of horrified when I realized that I been abusing parts of myself. But I've changed, and internal communication is better now, and compassion and empathy are the norm. There's a lot more trust and cooperation between my parts now.
Another one to share with our therapist. 😊 Thank you so much!
Our pleasure!
OSDD is usually viewed as “less serious” than DID, so sometimes my denial used that to fight me and tear my life apart 😂
I do try to listen, but I haven’t done that in ages (feels like ages anyway). Sometimes I feel that listening shld be done when I finally can afford a therapist, since (according to a psychiatrist a few years ago) the emotions I feel as compared to others is two times more severe. At least when I have access to a therapist I could always msg them if I needed any help
This vid was rly informative!
Thank you so so much for this video! So helpful! And it can be so difficult to find good information on OSDD. Your content is doing so much good for so many systems!
You're so welcome!
@user-pu8if4wd1s yes I agree, info on osdd compared to DID is really lacking so these videos are like gold dust. Thank you Dr Mike
this is very well explained and i wish therapists and clinicians in my country had this knowledge...
I hope you know that your channel is a real life saver. We are struggling to find any resources, especially therapy. And having this so we’re not entirely lost until we find a therapist is very helpful 🩵
Спасибо за ваш труд и такое детальное просвещение. Общие фразы на тему диссоциативных расстройств вызывают у меня много тревоги и внутренней неразберихи. Ваши видео заземляют и дают пищу для конкретных действий и размышлений. В огромном океане без навигации, вы открываете небольшие каналы, по которым я могу двигаться.
С некоторыми моими частями я могу говорить, сочувствовать им, когда они напуганы и переживает что-то, о чем у меня сохранились отрывки воспоминаний. Впррчем, не уверена, что они меня слышвт. Я могу быть открытой и заботливой. Но есть те, что вызывают непреодолимое отторжение и желание спихнуть их в пропость, чтобы никогда больше не чувствовать их. Когда я представляю, что говорю им те слова, о которых вы говорите, мне хочется плакать, тяжело даже представить, что я делаю это, что я могу вынести их приближение. Я не могу быть заботливой и принимающей, так много во мне отвращения.
To care and to accept are certainly goals, I truly hope you get this worked out.
Thanks Dr. Mike. Can you please lengthen the time you keep the written words to read on screen. Having to rewind several times to read through and take in. Thank you 💙👊
You can always pause the video in order to read the on-screen text.
Good feedback, thank you!
This is incredibly helpful, thank you.
You're very welcome!
Eternally grateful to my patient and compassionate spouse for his ability to listen and hold space. ❤ Especially vital during the early stages.
It's so difficult to navigate this...I really wish you accepted patients from America because I would certain sign up to see you. The videos you've been making have been helping us a lot to try and figure this out while we look for a new therapist.
This was really interesting to learn about.
Also very cool to see a verification blurb below the video stating that you're a mental health professional!
It is also very cool for me having that!
Thank you! I needed to hear your message and be able to listen again. Both can be accomplished here. Again, much gratitude for you, your team, and this channel.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this video. Ive not been diagnosed with OSDD but I do have cptsd and am sort of trying to determine if that's "all" it is or if OSDD is part of it too. This video makes a lot of sense to me.
Glad it was helpful!
Well said. Thanks!
Thank you, it's really difficult but I'll keep practicing ☺️
Hi, great video. I'd love to see a video on how to manage physical manifestations of the complex trauma or extreme emotions held by another part. Particularly in OSDD.
Great suggestion!
Extremely helpful understanding
Very good.
Very, very helpful!:
Glad you think so!
I believe [but I'm not sure] that the "secondary structural dissociation" I experience is my C-PTSD, but... Whatever the cause of my fractures, it's unformed & fuzzy & incredibly distressing. I know who I am, but there's a sense that I have no control over how I'm affected by different states. Hopefully listening & using my journal can help organize things... Even if it's "all me", I need to find some way ro strengthen that connection & stop losing the thread.
Thanks for your video again Dr Mike. It's very very helpful.
Just a quick one about the terminologyv used in the video.
I know that 'ANP' is an accepted term to describe the host, or most functional current day part of the system. (And if I'm not wrong, it comes from IFS work?). But, I think the term is degrading as it kind of suggests that no part of a system is genuine (the word 'apparently') or 'normal'. Which doesn't feel good as someone with a dissociative disorder (puts a negative spin and makes me feel even more abnormal).
I know others may feel differently, but I think the same concept of the ANP could be described in these videos, without using the words ANP e.g 'most functional' person. Or if using the word ANP, would it be possible to acknowledge it as a less than ideal term at the same time? I think highlighting terminology which isn't great like that can help people with a disorder like DID or OSDD to feel less disempowered?
Sorry that may just be me!!
I think it is more that IFS stuff has come from all the work we have been doing for years in dissociation! ANP is a tricky one, as you say. For some it can really help knowing what this means, for others, less so. It comes from structural dissociation, and yes, I can happily clarify next time it is used!
@thectadclinic thank you Dr Mike! I agree, I think the concept behind the term IS useful...it definitely helps me... but the actual words used 'apparently ' and 'normal' to describe the concept just aren't great are they!? 🤣...I think there are other less loaded words to describe the same thing... Thank you for listening to this, it helps.
That's interesting about where it came from!
I didn‘t quite understand If this is for dis as well as osdd …
Thank you Dr Mike. Do you think creating a routine to listen in is helpful to begin with?
Or wait until things start feeling unsettled internally and then tune in to see what's going on? I feel like i need a manual on 'How to' do all of this.
Also very difficult if you have parts actively not wanting to listen or you to listen
I think as with most things, it’s better to practice when things are calm and settled.
@@MillieMoon2024 good question.
@@thectadclinic thank you for that answer.
@@thectadclinic thank you 😊
Can there be alters in a DID system which function in this way as well? Or would these types of interactions be indicative of OSDD? This sounds very much like how a few of our parts interact, but not how most of them do.
How is this different in DID? I don't have an internal dialogue or monologue. Or, at least it's sooo difficult to hear, that I have to find it... Is it common in DID to have that lack of inner voice? And more importantly, what can I do to share my feelings. I feel so awkward talking out loud to myself. It'd be like trying to talk to a wall. Just no response. And other times, I don't even get to open my mouth. It shuts tight
Yeah, lack of verbal communication IS common, especially when there is a strong deny
@@psychopompes okay, but I try and I try, and it just does not seem like there is much ocnversation to be had inside... maybe we're just without inner voices
Thank you so so much Dr. Mike, I feel so seen through this video. 🤍 This is exactly where I’m at now- aware of the high levels of distress internally, but unable to do anything about it or even know what to do. There is so much tension between myself and my system, and we are struggling so much to communicate. I’m afraid that we’re never going to be able to. At least, no on our own. We really need a therapist asap, but have no way of getting one. Things are really scary right now.