Great episode and in my opinion one of your best ... I always was a bit clumsy with reverse delay and you showed me why. So thanks for that. You also shed some light on probably why my ZVEX LOOP GATE in front of my ATTACK DECAY both in loop mode don't work that much. ...I found your initial question as fun and intriguing as it was, something that leads to a legit advanced technique, with great musical results (Don't beat yourself up on your jam, It was inspiring and showed some real possibilities). For me, it's unconventional "hacks" like this that make your channel really shine, and I hope I'm not alone. More MORE!
Man, your videos are always inspiring, educational and interesting at the same time! After watching your video, I just tried chaining two reverse delay in my zoom mdr, and it turns my little zoom into a chase bliss thing. Really interesting! Thx for your inspiration! Every video of yours make my day better!
Really cool experiment and as always I appreciate the technical explanations. I also like the variety of this episode not being about one specific pedal.
Nice informative video, bravo! I knew how these different types of reverses worked, but I really enjoyed listening to them being explained and played all one after the other. Just like at school! 😅Congratulations on your cool work, you create interesting and well explained videos, ciao!
Program 1 of the Walrus Audio Lore is Reverse Delay into Reverse Reverb. All sorts of interesting sounds can be had. It might work better because it's coming from the same unit and the sounds are optimized to play nice with each other. I just recently found your channel and really you should have 50K or more subs. I hope you get there at some point.
@@StompboxBreakdown Oh no! My bad! I´checked again - problem gone! My fault: I had my RUclips playback speed still set to 0.75 from listening to a prior content, that had been spoken too fast for me. Sorry to bother you! I will edit my comment immediately! All the best to you, Marco!
loving how you think here. mostly, i love that someone else has thoughts like these that beset us like a cloud of answer-demanding harpies. here's one that i did, for funsies: DigiTech JM stereo, as file playback. it has a reverse option, so i sent ancient 4track sample library goods downstream into Minim, which has a fantastic reverse / invert option. while drastically altered by the other shenanigans happening internally within Minim, i got the sample, or chunks of it, flipped back into a recognizable forwards pattern. i understand that this is only half of the equation you set before us this week, but it was a ton of fun. can enthusiastically recommend sending your awesome old four track tape audio into your reversers for some very real time dilation.
The Back Talk was one of the first pedals I got about 20 years ago and it feels/functions differently than other reverse delays I've tried. It is way more usable for me. I use it as sort of a fake glitch as well with the time really short, mix full wet, and repeats maxed.
Kcor uoy, edud. Startet thinking about that reverse thing when a buddy told me the reverse in his boss looper sucked. Why? Well he recorded something, reversed theloop, and it diddnt sound anything like he was used to, and the melodie changed. Told him to play the melodie backwards, then reverse. Happiness. So in a way we got used to fake reverse. One thing you could have done: record the reverse sound, and then reverse the recording in logic. Ehx attack is more like a attenuated swell effect, right? But very cool, start fishing today. I love your scientific analytic approach, moer power to you sir! New sub here.
i was doing this kind o reverse/reverse for loooooong time ... its very interesting for the structure of a song or for some soundscapes live or between songs ...
Great video! I appreciate it when you cover experiments I'm curious about, but don't want to drop a couple hundred bucks just to try out. Looks like you're really having, too. Cheers! 🤙🏼
Three things. first nice idea in general I can't believe I never tried this. Second I believe part of the secret sauce on the haunting slide down riff on the smiths how soon is now was a reverse reverb - I forget what interview it was but someone commented on the very unusual or rare effect of reverse reverb and the use of a predelay on the reverb to let a transient thru before doing its thing, but you can clearly hear that reverse magic working on the verb trail and the sound that actually precedes the transient of that iconic riff. Thirdly - I love using reverse delay turned way up to audio rate ring mod territory (if Delay time is set fast or sort enough it will get into crazy sounds). Likewise if you slow it down you'll get into step phaser sounds and keep slowing it down and you'll get back into the traditional reverse effects. I've only done this on boss dd20 but reverse delay is worth pushing the boundaries with if your control set allows if.
Envelope into reverb is eerily close to at least the shape of a guitar note. In almost all cases I'm getting an organ or flute vibe, or possibly orchestral strings as the net effect seems to be to give you a more symmetrical attack and decay. Overall some very usable tones, thank you for this experiment!
Many stereo pedals (i.e., 2 ins, 2 outs) can provide what I life to call "re-processing". That is, one can take the output of one channel, plug it into the input of the *other* channel and the same processing will be re-applied. (on occasion, one may need some volume padding between channels to prevent unwanted oscillations). The most interesting application is reprocessing of reverse-delay. In correspondence with a former programmer at Line 6, I learned that my Echo Park pedal did something intriguing that made for unusual re-processing of reverse-delay. To save on clock cycles and battery life (something any retailer at the time would have been concerned about), Line 6 did not design the Echo Park as a *completely* stereo pedal with entirely independent channels. Indeed, there was some anticipation that many users would plug into one input, and then run the A and B outputs to separate amps. So the processing of Channel A (or B) is essentially "distributed" to both outputs, but also processed a little differently. Okay, hold that thought. If I plug into A, and run A's output to the B input, in reverse-delay mode, the second "pass" of processing will flip the signal around forwards. *However* , because there is always a bit of each channel crossfed to the "other" output, B's output will be a combination of reverse-delay (what A did) and RE-reverse-delay (what B does). *BUT* because some of B's output also shows up at A's output, B's RE-reversed-delay passes through B again and gets RE-re-reversed (i.e., backwards again). The final result is that B's output ends up being this delightful mish-mash of forwards and backwards repeats. If you want to get really nuts, stick a flanger or phaser between the A output and B input, and then phone in sick to work, because you're gonna be too dizzy to go in to work that day. Will this work with any stereo delay pedal? Couldn't tell you, but certainly many stereo pedals permit re-processing of one type of another.
In the late '70s, we didn't have any digital emulation of "backwards tape", so I had to make do with what I had. I was able to get an approximation using 3 pedals: my Univox compressor, my MXR 6-band EQ, and my MXR Envelope Filter. Remember that most of the harmonic content of a picked string occurs in abut the first 300msec or so, such that emulating a reversed recording of guitar requires that there be more harmonic content as the note swells. Electro-Harmonix took this to heart with the original Attack Decay design...but that came after my early experiments. I ran my guitar into the compressor to "level out" the signal and get a little more sustain. From there it went into the Envelope Filter, with the Attack time set to slowest, and finally the EQ. The Filter sweeps from low to high, then falls back down again. I would set the 3 lower bands of the EQ to minimum, and the 3 upper bands to max. "Corrupted" by the compressor, the Filter would sweep upwards slow enough, but since the lowest frequencies were turned way down on the EQ, you wouldn't hear much of the start of the sweep. Because the upper 3 bands were dimed, as the sweep moved upwards, the note provided the illusion of getting louder. And because the MXR pedal clipped a bit, the swept signal not only got brighter and louder, but also a little dirtier. Reverse delay on a digital pedal does a MUCH better job of mimicking backwards tape, but as users of such pedals can attest, it is an absolute bugger to plan out a riff, such that it comes out the way you want when reversed. Improvising is difficult. "Swell" pedals, like the Boss Slow Gear, are easier to plan with, but not especially reliable. Nor do they do the harmonic accentuation as they swell. So this 3-pedal trick I used did a more usable job, in my experience.
Never found a real use for reverse pedals but as a studio technique, where you have the benefit of manipulating a recorded track, reverse reverb is a lot of fun. I used it mixed behind my vocals, where another singer was following my vocal line. Tape reverse is also good on a crash cymbal, to lead back into the song after a pause.
If memory serves, Tom Cram actually popped into TGP to say that the Polara and RV-7 had identical reverse algorithms. Some shoegazer was claiming the RV-7 was better and the new one was inferior. He said they’re exactly the same.
Stick around to the very end, folks.
This guy gets it
@@StompboxBreakdown Haha. I do!
Great episode and in my opinion one of your best ... I always was a bit clumsy with reverse delay and you showed me why. So thanks for that. You also shed some light on probably why my ZVEX LOOP GATE in front of my ATTACK DECAY both in loop mode don't work that much. ...I found your initial question as fun and intriguing as it was, something that leads to a legit advanced technique, with great musical results (Don't beat yourself up on your jam, It was inspiring and showed some real possibilities). For me, it's unconventional "hacks" like this that make your channel really shine, and I hope I'm not alone. More MORE!
Thank you so much, that means a lot. Yeah, that explains why that setup yields some interesting results
So glad you did this. I have the ehx attack-decay and it will be a great experience owning it. I just got it. This was valuable. Thanks
Brilliant buy! The Attack-Decay has more uses than Batman's utility belt! There's just nothing like it.
Love this channel!
Thank you!!
Man, your videos are always inspiring, educational and interesting at the same time! After watching your video, I just tried chaining two reverse delay in my zoom mdr, and it turns my little zoom into a chase bliss thing. Really interesting! Thx for your inspiration! Every video of yours make my day better!
You made a Chase Bliss thing, love it!
Props for the concept of this video. I have not seen this analysis before.
Congratulations! You have won science! Great experiment! Now, I want to run some of my reverse pedals into each other!
Haha I’ve always wanted to win science
Really cool experiment and as always I appreciate the technical explanations. I also like the variety of this episode not being about one specific pedal.
This answered this question well, and I did wonder! Cool jam ✌️😌🎸
Nice informative video, bravo!
I knew how these different types of reverses worked, but I really enjoyed listening to them being explained and played all one after the other. Just like at school! 😅Congratulations on your cool work, you create interesting and well explained videos, ciao!
I've always wanted to try this, but never picked up a second pedal that does reverse delay! So thank you for clearing up the mystery 😂
Cool concept for a video and I learned something. Keep it up！
Program 1 of the Walrus Audio Lore is Reverse Delay into Reverse Reverb. All sorts of interesting sounds can be had. It might work better because it's coming from the same unit and the sounds are optimized to play nice with each other. I just recently found your channel and really you should have 50K or more subs. I hope you get there at some point.
Last Jam: I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in, yeah yeah oh Yeah!
Ha, I hear it now!
This is brilliant!
Aww. Thank you!!
Very nice, as always - Fan here!
Hey, your "wrapup-reverse-guitar-solos" are gr8! 😊
Ooh, could be a problem. Can you give me a time stamp? I want to check it out.
@@StompboxBreakdown Oh no! My bad! I´checked again - problem gone! My fault: I had my RUclips playback speed still set to 0.75 from listening to a prior content, that had been spoken too fast for me. Sorry to bother you! I will edit my comment immediately! All the best to you, Marco!
@@marcofioravanti4176 Haha, no worries!! I bet that made things sound really weird with music!
@@StompboxBreakdown I´m just glad you´re not angry on me! Thank you very much for being understanding and having humor! Cheers!
@@marcofioravanti4176 Oh never angry! I'm pleased as punch that people still watch my videos and want to know more about what's in them!!
Cool concept and sound experiment.
Thank you!!
loving how you think here. mostly, i love that someone else has thoughts like these that beset us like a cloud of answer-demanding harpies.
here's one that i did, for funsies: DigiTech JM stereo, as file playback. it has a reverse option, so i sent ancient 4track sample library goods downstream into Minim, which has a fantastic reverse / invert option. while drastically altered by the other shenanigans happening internally within Minim, i got the sample, or chunks of it, flipped back into a recognizable forwards pattern.
i understand that this is only half of the equation you set before us this week, but it was a ton of fun.
can enthusiastically recommend sending your awesome old four track tape audio into your reversers for some very real time dilation.
You put that thing down, flipped it and reversed it! I think a friend of mine has one of those, I may need to borrow it
The Back Talk was one of the first pedals I got about 20 years ago and it feels/functions differently than other reverse delays I've tried. It is way more usable for me. I use it as sort of a fake glitch as well with the time really short, mix full wet, and repeats maxed.
🤘👍🏿Walrus has created the wonderful Lore pedal which has reverse into reverse, so very timely!
Kcor uoy, edud. Startet thinking about that reverse thing when a buddy told me the reverse in his boss looper sucked. Why? Well he recorded something, reversed theloop, and it diddnt sound anything like he was used to, and the melodie changed. Told him to play the melodie backwards, then reverse. Happiness. So in a way we got used to fake reverse. One thing you could have done: record the reverse sound, and then reverse the recording in logic. Ehx attack is more like a attenuated swell effect, right? But very cool, start fishing today. I love your scientific analytic approach, moer power to you sir! New sub here.
i was doing this kind o reverse/reverse for loooooong time ... its very interesting for the structure of a song or for some soundscapes live or between songs ...
Great video! I appreciate it when you cover experiments I'm curious about, but don't want to drop a couple hundred bucks just to try out. Looks like you're really having, too. Cheers! 🤙🏼
Three things. first nice idea in general I can't believe I never tried this.
Second I believe part of the secret sauce on the haunting slide down riff on the smiths how soon is now was a reverse reverb - I forget what interview it was but someone commented on the very unusual or rare effect of reverse reverb and the use of a predelay on the reverb to let a transient thru before doing its thing, but you can clearly hear that reverse magic working on the verb trail and the sound that actually precedes the transient of that iconic riff.
Thirdly - I love using reverse delay turned way up to audio rate ring mod territory (if Delay time is set fast or sort enough it will get into crazy sounds).
Likewise if you slow it down you'll get into step phaser sounds and keep slowing it down and you'll get back into the traditional reverse effects.
I've only done this on boss dd20 but reverse delay is worth pushing the boundaries with if your control set allows if.
Envelope into reverb is eerily close to at least the shape of a guitar note. In almost all cases I'm getting an organ or flute vibe, or possibly orchestral strings as the net effect seems to be to give you a more symmetrical attack and decay. Overall some very usable tones, thank you for this experiment!
Thanks, your reviews are one of the best. As usual, I guess ))) P.S. Initially reverse sound looks stange a little, but finally it make sens ;)
I wonder what a shorter length, higher repeat delay reverse into a longer length reverse reverb would produce. Going to have to try it!
Super cool vidéo
Rev into env my favorite too :)
Though it makes me think of env into non-reverse big reverb for less weird, highly useable swelly sounds
Cool vid.....you missed an opportunity to put the Digitech Hardwires into the EHX A/D loop! Or maybe thats a whole other video on its own 🤔
It cooouuuullld be :)
Many stereo pedals (i.e., 2 ins, 2 outs) can provide what I life to call "re-processing". That is, one can take the output of one channel, plug it into the input of the *other* channel and the same processing will be re-applied. (on occasion, one may need some volume padding between channels to prevent unwanted oscillations). The most interesting application is reprocessing of reverse-delay.
In correspondence with a former programmer at Line 6, I learned that my Echo Park pedal did something intriguing that made for unusual re-processing of reverse-delay. To save on clock cycles and battery life (something any retailer at the time would have been concerned about), Line 6 did not design the Echo Park as a *completely* stereo pedal with entirely independent channels. Indeed, there was some anticipation that many users would plug into one input, and then run the A and B outputs to separate amps. So the processing of Channel A (or B) is essentially "distributed" to both outputs, but also processed a little differently. Okay, hold that thought.
If I plug into A, and run A's output to the B input, in reverse-delay mode, the second "pass" of processing will flip the signal around forwards. *However* , because there is always a bit of each channel crossfed to the "other" output, B's output will be a combination of reverse-delay (what A did) and RE-reverse-delay (what B does). *BUT* because some of B's output also shows up at A's output, B's RE-reversed-delay passes through B again and gets RE-re-reversed (i.e., backwards again). The final result is that B's output ends up being this delightful mish-mash of forwards and backwards repeats. If you want to get really nuts, stick a flanger or phaser between the A output and B input, and then phone in sick to work, because you're gonna be too dizzy to go in to work that day.
Will this work with any stereo delay pedal? Couldn't tell you, but certainly many stereo pedals permit re-processing of one type of another.
In the late '70s, we didn't have any digital emulation of "backwards tape", so I had to make do with what I had. I was able to get an approximation using 3 pedals: my Univox compressor, my MXR 6-band EQ, and my MXR Envelope Filter.
Remember that most of the harmonic content of a picked string occurs in abut the first 300msec or so, such that emulating a reversed recording of guitar requires that there be more harmonic content as the note swells. Electro-Harmonix took this to heart with the original Attack Decay design...but that came after my early experiments.
I ran my guitar into the compressor to "level out" the signal and get a little more sustain. From there it went into the Envelope Filter, with the Attack time set to slowest, and finally the EQ. The Filter sweeps from low to high, then falls back down again. I would set the 3 lower bands of the EQ to minimum, and the 3 upper bands to max. "Corrupted" by the compressor, the Filter would sweep upwards slow enough, but since the lowest frequencies were turned way down on the EQ, you wouldn't hear much of the start of the sweep. Because the upper 3 bands were dimed, as the sweep moved upwards, the note provided the illusion of getting louder. And because the MXR pedal clipped a bit, the swept signal not only got brighter and louder, but also a little dirtier.
Reverse delay on a digital pedal does a MUCH better job of mimicking backwards tape, but as users of such pedals can attest, it is an absolute bugger to plan out a riff, such that it comes out the way you want when reversed. Improvising is difficult. "Swell" pedals, like the Boss Slow Gear, are easier to plan with, but not especially reliable. Nor do they do the harmonic accentuation as they swell. So this 3-pedal trick I used did a more usable job, in my experience.
Never found a real use for reverse pedals but as a studio technique, where you have the benefit of manipulating a recorded track, reverse reverb is a lot of fun. I used it mixed behind my vocals, where another singer was following my vocal line. Tape reverse is also good on a crash cymbal, to lead back into the song after a pause.
That sounds really cool, thanks for the insight! I could see it being really useful in a post production world.
@@StompboxBreakdown Nice one. I wouldn't trust a pedal, though; better to use a plugin.
Love my Attack/Decay. It really is a swell pedal.
Kicking myself for not coming up with that line for the video
Hello. I ve donne thé same expérience..reverse delay on zoom gu1 and boss dd20... thanks for your vidéos
Notes of Pine, The fruit that ate itself, and John Cale's electric viola.
I’ve had decent results recently with Echo Park into Mooer R7 x2. Empyrean succulents.
Thanks
If memory serves, Tom Cram actually popped into TGP to say that the Polara and RV-7 had identical reverse algorithms. Some shoegazer was claiming the RV-7 was better and the new one was inferior. He said they’re exactly the same.
I love when Tom pops up with the truth like that
They’re essentially the same pedal. Just switched out the Gated setting for Halo
You have a DL 4 why not try the loop in reverse also
Good idea, hadn’t thought of that. I imagine it’d just be more glitchy delay
But the attack/Decay does not reverse. It is a simulation with volume. You have to use 2 real reverse pedals
None of these do the reverse quite like the Boss DD-5. Listen to the opening track in Bloc Party’s first album and you’ll see 😉
I think the way to go is applying a great sounding reverb to your recording then simply playing it backwards.
Technically the attack decay is supposed to be a reverse simulator I don't think it actually reverses the signal
Correct. It doesn’t, but it can really nail the envelope of a reversed note and I find it pretty useful for that and the tremolo effect.
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That's not going to do anything, it's going to be normal