Its amazing how fast he can study the tape, analyze it then record and upload the video. While all these "Twitter Docs" are diagnosing these injuries, I just come to Dr. Sutterer to hear what the professional has to say. I hate it when an athlete gets hurt, but I love learning from the Doc.
Burrow wore a sleeve on his elbow last year during training camp ! I kept mentioning it last year just to get told it was nothing ! The ring finger is a major cause of grip pain ! Watch your forearm when wiggling the ring finger only compared to the other fingers ! Bicep exercises can become painful due to the ring finger grip strength ! Overuse of the ring finger grip can become a chronic problem !
Heartbreaking and not just for my fantasy team ;) this man just can’t seem to catch a break. It’s always hard to see a player injured but to see someone with so much potential deal with so many injures at a young age is discouraging to say the least. Best wishes Joey B I hope it’s not to severe. And as always doc, thanks for the amazing video
Ravens lost Lamar twice nobody gave a damn some people were actually happy. I would never celebrate a player’s injury. Can’t wait for Joe to heal so the Ravens can beat that ass again.
I’ve graduated medicine at Harvard and currently doing my residency to become a surgeon. This doctor right here is very professional and explained it very well. Kudos to him❤ shoutout to all doctors 🎉
This game is wild. Absolutely hate to see this happen to Burrow. Mark Andrews really scared me when he went down too - so relieved it was an ankle and not a serious head or neck injury
I swear like a dozen dudes have gotten hurt tonight wtf is in the air on the field whatever it is this game is cursed beyond anything wow can’t go a play without someone limping off. Wishing Burrow the best dude is one of the faces of the league really great player phenomenal leader tremendous role model
@@tonypreston7278Exactly. I honestly don’t think that NFL players can get their bodies ready for a game with only 3 days of rest. I think that’s why we see so many injuries on Thursday nights. Not only that but the games themselves are usually bad cause guys are just not ready to go so soon after playing.
so interesting to hear you talk about the ulnar nerve! when i broke my arm (i broke the ulna), i was warming up for a basketball game at school. and i remember that same bizarre weakness where i couldn’t even dribble the ball, because my whole arm would just go limp any time i tried to use it to dribble. (ended up sitting out that game, got an X-ray the next morning where i found out about the break)
Not always. Sometimes it's not always so clear cut and the team reports them as questionable until they figure it out. And sometimes it's clear like Rodgers Achilles@@ps5gaymer
People really dont understand how brutal the NFL is. Player health is taken for granted when injury rate is nearly 100%. The severity varies but everyone gets hurt.
He’s a sports medicine doctor I’m sure he’s very commonly referring to and viewing muscles, tendons, ligaments, nerves, and bones of the extremities haahha
If you’re an orthopedist, you’re a specialist. This is like naming off all the items in an aisle of condiments at the grocery store. He knows this stuff like the back of his hand
My immediate reaction was an Ulnar Nerve injury. I am having Ulnar Nerve Transposition surgery on November 30th. I have really bad pain when I grip or twist in the wrong way. I have numbness in pinky and ring finger, however the wrong motion sends a bad pain through my arm and hand. Thank you again for a great video.
As always thanks for the concise explanation. The only thing that may add some context to the mystery is earlier in the game Jadeveon Clowney takled Burrow and Burrow fell hard on his hand. Clowney was draped over his back and landed right on Burrow's hand. I wonder if that made it worse or aggravated something. I'm a Raven's fan and it kills me that the AFC North can't get through a healthy season. I wish all who got injured a speedy recovery so we can have some real straight up games.
Thank you! My dad is a PT and watching the game last night everything to me looked like a nerve or tendon injury on the inside of his forearm through to his elbow. But they kept saying sprained wrist and it really threw me, especially when he came out with no brace. This made me feel so much less crazy lol
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First time watching and I wholeheartedly agree with the comments. You're taking vast amounts of information and knowledge, boiling it down to a point that is complex enough to fully give context to the scope of potential injuries but simplifing it enough where most anybody could understand and comprehend. And doing all that without being condescending or with a Matter of Fact tone. Unsure of what practice you do but no doubt your patients leave feeling reassured, and understand what they are dealing with. Great video, excited to check out your previous videos
Just subscribed to the channel. Dr. Stutterer is very, very good at addressing what probably happened here. Why no TV network has not hired him to explain things from a medical standpoint to the sports fans is a mystery.
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After seeing the injury, I was waiting for this video to come up. Kept refreshing my feed. I always enjoy the insight provided. We can always count on Brian to post soon after a big one!
Dr. Brian, as always, your analysis is meticulous and enlightening. Your ability to dissect the situation and provide a detailed, yet easy-to-understand explanation of potential injuries is truly commendable and helpful for us sports enthusiasts. Keep up the amazing work! Looking forward to your next analysis.
In college while playing baseball I had a really strange injury where i tore my UCL but also the attaching bone on the Ulna. Felt a lot of pain when it happened in elbow & wrist. It was a grade two tear and decided to go against surgery. Years since the injury my hand especially middle through pinky will go numb, have trouble gripping at times when I use my arm after a long day At times I can throw and have no issue other days it feels like it almost feels loose. Elbows suck
Man I feel your pain I had a very similar injury and decided not to go with surgery also since I was young at the time, I had to dismiss throwing change ups years ago cus after every pitch my ring finger and pinky will get tingly ultimately numbing out!! Time to visit an ortho soon! Take care of them arms youngsters!!!
Dr Brian, I had checked once but this wasn’t up yet, lol, I beat you. Then I got the notification. I like this young man so much. I know he has to be so frustrated. Hope this isn’t to serious. Thanks…
players are constantly getting bigger, faster and stronger. every hit or turn or push off is creating and dissipating more and more energy and tendon and ligament strength doesnt scale at the same rate as muscle strength. similar thing started happening in rugby union when it went professional and players had the time to physically train their bodies to stay at peak strength
@@thewards6108 from your cervial spine down through the labrum and under the tricep head leading down to the ulnar and interfering with the digits could be a dead nerve or a gone dormant . Hope that is doctor or layman enough for you , you troglodyte .
Golfer's elbow. I have the same problem and I have a hard time with grip when it flares up. That new pad that Burrow is wearing is on the outside of the arm, covering the radial nerve and the tendon set that runs on the outside of the elbow.
At the end of the game, he was only using his left hand to greet the other players. They flashed his right arm on camera while he was doing that and it looked swollen and slightly discolored.
I think it could be tfcc I had that injury before I remember feeling like a pop / snap when it happened it took awhile for my wrist to get back in the regular range of motion.
You don’t think it’s a UCL tear/injury of some sort? Referring pain down to the hand is something my teammates experienced when they did the same thing even though it was with a baseball. One of my teammates had a full tear of his UCL and still was able to throw but it just hurt like hell.
During TNF, Michaels showed a video of Burrow departing the plane in Baltimore and he was wearing a wrist brace on his throwing arm! Didn’t anyone else see this. He was obviously dealing with some kind of wrist injury, before he even played🙄🙄🙄
my guess would be a TFCC injury, which Doc mentions, not a super common injury, often from accidently grounding (or hitting a root) a club golfing. Burrow seems to grab at the medial wrist/ hand junction during the follow through. It doesn't really hurt until one grips with wrist motion or strains or exerts force through that medial/ ulnar part of the wrist then its sudden excruciating/ knee buckling pain. If it's a tear of the disc of the TFCC - no bueno, months, not weeks, to heal. He could feasibly play through it but would be severely hampering, especially to an nfl QB's throwing hand.
That's honestly what stood out to me too. That casual attitude about it on the sideline especially seemed like he was testing his dexterity for something he already knew about rather than figuring out something new.
Will you be covering the Mark Andrews injury, he was able to walk off the field on his own but they’re saying it’s a season ending injury? Love the videos by the way, as a med student who loves sports, you make great content!
I work in Physical Therapy and worked for years with a certified hand therapist, co-treating many patient's because of my interest in the subject matter. You're right that with the limited available information, I'm finding it hard to confidently determine what the actual injury here is. My suspicion is similar, that he may be having some kind of ulnar nerve irritation. I have seen cases of dystonia where irritation of the superior fibers can cause a localized dsytonia in palmaris brevis as well as abductor digiti minimi. I wish I could more clearly see his hypothenar eminence. In cases I've seen with notable dystonia/spasm, there is almost always dimpling along the medial aspect of the hypothenar eminence between the flexor and abductor near where palmaris brevis begins blending into the skin. Why it is happening is harder to say. A TFCC disruption or some other cause of acute inflammation could aggravate a potential chronic overuse injury. Or maybe something that happened in another game this season. Who knows, anyways, love the channel and content! This scratches my itch lol.
Burrow broke the pinkie on his throwing hand mid game two years ago. He played through it and the organization never acknowledged it. He took the Bengals to the Super Bowl throwing with that grip and he's done it ever since.
Just went to the hand specialist today for my "trigger finger" left pinkie. Learned quite a bit about tendons and pulleys, and received a big ole cortisone shot. Hope it works. As a pianist, this is something new and I am wondering if my left-hand boogie-woogie chops are to blame, since that requires an intense repetitive motion with the pinkie. The doctor said possibly, and that seems a good bet, because boogie woogie is a more recent addition to my playing (last 5 years), and a lot of practice is required to maintain a steady fast rhythm. Good luck to Burrow. He may certainly be dealing with something more challenging.
i got stung by a scorpion here in AZ on my index finger. for a solid 3 months typing on a keyboard was awful , it damaged a nerve and it took it a long time to work right , pounding on the keys of the keyboard isn’t quite like playing a piano but after that i kinda understand those repetitive use injuries
I could be way off here. But if you can, go back and take a look at the 10min mark in the first quarter 1st and 10…. Joe runs and it looks like right after he gets tackled to the ground he kinda works that hand. I’m wondering if that where he injured it, after that I believe it was a lot of short passes.
As a bengals fan this is devastating crazy how you take him off the field and they go from contenders to last in the division so much for the playoff run again this year he made Cincy football entertaining again hope you get healthy joe b 😢😢
I mean they were 5-5 so they could do better in 2nd half and squeeze into the playoffs. Bengals before Burrow is not just last-place. Other than a few years of Carson Palmer, they were a perennial laughingstock of the league.
We already seen the peak of Burrow. If he’s this injury prone in his prime years, he’s going to have no longevity in the sport. He’s falling apart like the rest of his team
@@lethalfang for the last 20 years they’ve been in the playoffs close to the playoffs and went to the Super Bowl Andy dalton had a good run they were 5-4 my dude with burrow he stays healthy they probably win that game and the whole division would have 4 losses pretty much minus the winner of Cleveland Baltimore why you a hater bro let me guess you’re a queefs fan joe burrow is the only qb to hand mahomes 3 straight losses they’ll be back don’t worry you can come back next year and check this comment 😂 idk what joe has to do get respect he’s an elite player and will be for years to come
Man when i saw this my first thought was it was something to do with a nerve. Grip issues, random shooting pain and instability. I noticed that pinky as well, looks like it's been broken before or something. This one hits me hard. Not only because I love Burrow and want to see this team do well but also Burrow is the main QB on my fantasy team and I'm currently in line to win $5k if I can hold position. I was kinda sick to my stomach when I realized that. I know that sounds selfish but man I am really really poor. I really hope for Joe's sake, the Bengals sake and my sake this is something he can manage through the rest of the season and play well.
At the end of August I was moving a concrete block and something popped in my wrist. There wasn’t a sound, just a feeling of a pop. Since then, I can’t rotate my wrist (rotate as in if I hold my arm out in front of me and try to rotate my hands to make my palm face up or down). I only have pain when my wrist is moving with rotation in this manner. I’ve had X-rays and an MRI and I’ve been diagnosed with, “Ulnar-sided fissuring of the triangular fibrocartilage without full-thickness tear, mild sprain of the focal and styloid attachments of the TFC without tear or retraction, mild intratendinous increased signal in exterior carpi ulnaris, mild tendinosis without tendon tear or retraction.” Quoted from my MRI results. My MRI was conducted 2 1/2 months AFTER my injury, but Burrow’s reaction to certain movements and the “pop” he was mentioning reminded me of me of exactly what I’m going through. I’m almost pain free, even when the injury happened, but certain movements are excruciating. Just on Monday I gave a buddy of mine a goofy sort of salute with my hand and that has been the most pain I’ve experienced in my wrist, even more so than the initial “pop.”
You can see around the 1:30 mark, it looks like the defender and Burrows arms slide past each other, and for a split second it looks like Burrows pinky is all curled up like it got snagged as their arms swung opposite directions.
Jay Glazer reported yesterday that Burrow tore the "middle ligament in his wrist, responsible for stability." Are you able to do a follow up video explaining more about this injury, now that we have more information. Thank you and love the videos.
You’re fantastic at explaining the intricacies of his injury. I’m a new subscriber simply based on that 👏🏾👏🏾… I believe it’s a tendon injury looks familiar to what I experienced- If that’s the case as you’re aware it’s definitely gonna need surgery
Marcus Mariota got ulnar nerve injury his 2nd or 3rd year. He was unable to really grip the ball the rest of the season. They tried several things like tape, special gloves, etc. Nothing really worked except weeks of resting it. He said it took a long time before he could feel his fingers again.
Had the same. You would be surprised how much affect that nerve has on your arm and hand and nothing worked beside wearing a splint for weeks on end. Was struggling to even hold a cup!
I just recently healed from this kind of injury, it's not fun. Mine was during a bowling match, threw the ball one too many times and after I threw the ball, my hand went numb, and my pinky and ring finger had the excat same reaction Burrow did. Great to know excatly what I had now. Thank you
I just came across your channel looking for burrow news.. love this ( not my qb injury 🤬) but The details and insight on your knowledge and expertise… great job doc. Keep up the good work ! New subscriber here moving forward
Noah Lowery of the SF Giants had a 'forearm injury' back in the mid-2000's. The symptoms seem very similar. We never heard much about the first surgery, only that Lowery's agent accused the SF Giants of a misdiagnosis and his issue was a circulation problem. It essentially ended his career.
Burrow started wearing the elbow pad when the game started against the Texans a week earlier. He was roughed on the 1st play of the game. However, Burrow was also roughed in the Bills game 2 weeks ago by Tim Settle, where he landed on his right elbow. Burrow was not wearing the elbow pad.
This was an awesome video on your part. Easy to understand for the layman and very informative. It looks like it could be a nerve issue to me from what you explained, and I hope it is "only" a nerve issue because J. Chase is on my main fantasy team.
Originally I thought it was similar to the injury that Pitchers get with their elbow. Having had and injury to the tendon in my hand I can attest to the pop and sudden sharp pain involved. It was weeks before I could grip anything without pain.
Seemed like he had a problem before the game to the wrist so dont think its the elbow. He had a wrist brace when he arrived in Baltimore. My guess is it's a ligament in the wrist that he tried to play thru and it popped. He'll miss the rest of the season because they're done. Guessing surgery to fix it. Doubt he'll be the same.
This sounds similar to the Purdy injury and I remember him having a similar experience throwing on the sideline. In both cases, they could perform a throwing motion, but couldn't grip the ball at all.
I had tendon surgery in my left hand and had the same experience of not being able to fully use my arm it just ached got real wreak and my hand was useless. 5th metacarpal tendons were shredded after surgery took time but hand is fine cannot make a angryfist but it curls up almost to a fist. The last 2 fingers dont curl up all the way, great vid
The Bengals deleted a video screen capture coming off the plane and he was wearing a brace on that hand, so I am thinking it was injured before tonight.
I was waiting for this video, man you gotta love the breakdown of either what it is or what it could possibly be. Doc can you do the injury of Amik Robertson from last Sunday Night?
I'm not a doctor but when he was on the sideline saying he can't throw it was exactly the same as what Brock Purdy said when he injured his elbow. Purdy also said he felt something pop when his injury happened. I think Burrow is done for the season.
It was reported before the game when Burrow got off the plane that he was wearing some type of wrist guard so it could be something that happened prior. Of course, why this wasn't reported as per the rules we don't know.
Hey Brian could you do a follow up video on Kyler Murray’s ACL recovery? He looked amazing coming back and I just want to know how common it is and how good he looked compared to expectations of how he should look in his first game back. Thanks!
When I was about 16 yrs old, I was leaned over an open hood in the engine compartment of a car, trying with all my force to remove a bolt with a wrench. The wrench slipped off the bolt, and then I hit my elbow nerve on the inside of the hood opening. Very painful, and I swear to God, my last 2 fingers were "totally" numb for at least 2-3 weeks. Eventually the feeling came back very slowly. When I was younger, I always thought nature would heal things on its own ? Well now, after 50 years, I can still feel that nerve ( ulnar I think) on the inside of my elbow. It feels like it's sticking out of the cartiledge or whatever holds it in place. Today I cannot sleep with my arm down on the bed, as I have to elevate it with a pillow, and if I don't, that slight pressure will cause my arm to go numb. I never had any other pain except the numbness, and had full motion of my arm. I was too young and stupid to think of surgery, and also had the fear, it may make it worse ? This is now something I live with and it's OK if I don't hit the inside of my elbow. I do wonder today, if I should have had surgery surgery back then, and especially today, with medical science being so advanced. This is an injury I've lived with a long time.
Love the videos! I'm with you on the ulnar nerve injury myself as I'm dealing with one currently. Actually just tried to throw on a pickup game today and couldn't throw.
Just had surgery on my right arm to try and correct Ulnar Nerve Entrapment. My nerve was so damaged that the plastic surgeon called in all of his nurses when he examined me for surgery prep just so they could gawk in amazement about how bad my case was. Pinky and ring finger are completely numb, and hand strength and grip are terrible. Have trouble opening up simple things like food. Was told by the Dr who did the electric nerve testing that it will never be like it was before. I have the same thing on my left arm and hand, but it has very little damage. I am right-handed. When I saw Joe try to throw the FB and it fell out of his hand, immediately thought it was the Ulnar nerve. Sorry, this was so long.
This guy is the best: CLEAR, CONCISE, EASY TO UNDERSTAND!!!
lol "this is bizarre... and doesnt make sense"
Its amazing how fast he can study the tape, analyze it then record and upload the video. While all these "Twitter Docs" are diagnosing these injuries, I just come to Dr. Sutterer to hear what the professional has to say. I hate it when an athlete gets hurt, but I love learning from the Doc.
@@pretzelhuntat least he's not pretending like he knows
He's behind honest
Unlike most of the "I know all" experts
when he doesn’t know he says IDK , but it might be this, this or this . usually it’s one of those things .
@@FionaGlennannehalf The time He’s just saying stuff. Really just uploads fast for the views and doesn’t follow up.
My kind of doctor. Clear, easy to understand, and knows what he’s talking about. Great job as always, Doc!
ABC showed a play before when he went to the ground and jammed his wrist when a raven fell on him !
Burrow wore a sleeve on his elbow last year during training camp ! I kept mentioning it last year just to get told it was nothing ! The ring finger is a major cause of grip pain ! Watch your forearm when wiggling the ring finger only compared to the other fingers ! Bicep exercises can become painful due to the ring finger grip strength ! Overuse of the ring finger grip can become a chronic problem !
Yeah until he started talking about Covid 19
Anytime I see a sports injury, I look forward to your diagnosis and/or explanation! We appreciate you, Doc!
Bizarre compliment.
That’s cool but also kinda messed up 😅
Glazin
@@jonq8714 you acting like he said he’s happy to see people get hurt
@@BigDilf3 What I said is funny if you think about it for two seconds. I meant nothing beyond that.
Heartbreaking and not just for my fantasy team ;) this man just can’t seem to catch a break. It’s always hard to see a player injured but to see someone with so much potential deal with so many injures at a young age is discouraging to say the least. Best wishes Joey B I hope it’s not to severe. And as always doc, thanks for the amazing video
Ravens lost Lamar twice nobody gave a damn some people were actually happy. I would never celebrate a player’s injury. Can’t wait for Joe to heal so the Ravens can beat that ass again.
Well, he always has the millions he's made to fall back on.
It's 100% the failure of the Brown family, owners of the Cincinnati Bengals
@@johnspurrier0001 Yeah, Joe should have went somewhere else.
I’ve graduated medicine at Harvard and currently doing my residency to become a surgeon. This doctor right here is very professional and explained it very well. Kudos to him❤ shoutout to all doctors 🎉
Kudos to you as well. Best of luck as a surgeon.
How do you know if someone graduated from Harvard? They’ll tell you.
You should just live react to the whole game … injuries are all over
Copyright might get in the way but I agree
Thursday night games certainly don't help
That something he could. That not a bad idea.
Now that would be a live stream to watch 😊
It’s a good idea. There isn’t enough time for it live tho. There is hardly time for replays at times.
Please post an update now that we know the injury is a torn wrist ligament
This game is wild. Absolutely hate to see this happen to Burrow. Mark Andrews really scared me when he went down too - so relieved it was an ankle and not a serious head or neck injury
Most likely a torn achilles the way he was walking. Still dsnt look good.
@@skye9595isbomb you don’t tear your Achilles when your ankle gets rolled over
Whatever it was you could see him telling Lamar something and Lamar reacting like it was really bad.
Yeah looked like a high ankle sprain but whatever it is, he was definitely hurting pretty bad
Season ending ankle injury. Poor mark
I swear like a dozen dudes have gotten hurt tonight wtf is in the air on the field whatever it is this game is cursed beyond anything wow can’t go a play without someone limping off.
Wishing Burrow the best dude is one of the faces of the league really great player phenomenal leader tremendous role model
Thursday night games should be banned
@@tonypreston7278100%
@@tonypreston7278Exactly. I honestly don’t think that NFL players can get their bodies ready for a game with only 3 days of rest. I think that’s why we see so many injuries on Thursday nights. Not only that but the games themselves are usually bad cause guys are just not ready to go so soon after playing.
Division games are played harder than Normal and the afc north have good defense
@@tonypreston7278they should only be played if both teams had the previous week off with a bye.
so interesting to hear you talk about the ulnar nerve! when i broke my arm (i broke the ulna), i was warming up for a basketball game at school. and i remember that same bizarre weakness where i couldn’t even dribble the ball, because my whole arm would just go limp any time i tried to use it to dribble. (ended up sitting out that game, got an X-ray the next morning where i found out about the break)
Bro is so fast. Before burrow even goes into the tent he already has the diagnosis😭😭 keep up the great work Brian!!
I appreciate your videos so much. With NFL injuries, it could take up to a whole week figuring out what it is and how long they're gone from the media
What are talking about? They find out about injuries the next day 😂
Not always. Sometimes it's not always so clear cut and the team reports them as questionable until they figure it out. And sometimes it's clear like Rodgers Achilles@@ps5gaymer
@@ps5gaymer Andrew Luck has entered the chat
Two season-ending injuries of very important players to both teams. Insane stuff
People really dont understand how brutal the NFL is. Player health is taken for granted when injury rate is nearly 100%. The severity varies but everyone gets hurt.
What an absolute flex on the forearm anatomy knowledge. Not too many doctors out there can recall that 😂
He’s a sports medicine doctor I’m sure he’s very commonly referring to and viewing muscles, tendons, ligaments, nerves, and bones of the extremities haahha
And brushing up whenever he has to using whatever resources he knows are reliable.
to me it’s all a bunch of weird stuff but he explains
If you’re an orthopedist, you’re a specialist. This is like naming off all the items in an aisle of condiments at the grocery store. He knows this stuff like the back of his hand
@@thefarmingnursecause it is the back of his hand
Dr. you are so informative, timely, articulate and accurate! Hope you enjoy the games/events you cover.
My immediate reaction was an Ulnar Nerve injury. I am having Ulnar Nerve Transposition surgery on November 30th. I have really bad pain when I grip or twist in the wrong way. I have numbness in pinky and ring finger, however the wrong motion sends a bad pain through my arm and hand. Thank you again for a great video.
Wishing you a safe surgery and successful recovery!
@@88Amps Thank you. I am actually looking forward to it. I appreciate the kind words.
@@Rocky-N-Angel I’ll send happy thoughts for you that day.
Good luck bro, I hope it goes well!
How long would it take for a person to recover from a nerve injury?
You had me waiting, Doc! 😂 Thanks for the video.
Me too man 😂
As always thanks for the concise explanation. The only thing that may add some context to the mystery is earlier in the game Jadeveon Clowney takled Burrow and Burrow fell hard on his hand. Clowney was draped over his back and landed right on Burrow's hand. I wonder if that made it worse or aggravated something.
I'm a Raven's fan and it kills me that the AFC North can't get through a healthy season. I wish all who got injured a speedy recovery so we can have some real straight up games.
Thank you this means a lot I seen ravens fans try to put bounties on Wilson and that just horrible but this means a lot seeing a good ravens fans
Bengals also deleted a post showing Burrow was wearing some type of wrist brace earlier this week!
Thank you! My dad is a PT and watching the game last night everything to me looked like a nerve or tendon injury on the inside of his forearm through to his elbow. But they kept saying sprained wrist and it really threw me, especially when he came out with no brace. This made me feel so much less crazy lol
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First time watching and I wholeheartedly agree with the comments. You're taking vast amounts of information and knowledge, boiling it down to a point that is complex enough to fully give context to the scope of potential injuries but simplifing it enough where most anybody could understand and comprehend. And doing all that without being condescending or with a Matter of Fact tone.
Unsure of what practice you do but no doubt your patients leave feeling reassured, and understand what they are dealing with. Great video, excited to check out your previous videos
As a Bengals fan I’m really sad about this and I will pray for every one
Pray*
Pray
Just subscribed to the channel. Dr. Stutterer is very, very good at addressing what probably happened here. Why no TV network has not hired him to explain things from a medical standpoint to the sports fans is a mystery.
The average sports fan is too stupid to understand even half of this, and not curious enough to listen.
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They did mention he had a brace of some type when he arrived today, but the screen shot is no longer available, according to the TNF announcers.
I saw that too
After seeing the injury, I was waiting for this video to come up. Kept refreshing my feed. I always enjoy the insight provided. We can always count on Brian to post soon after a big one!
Dr. Brian, as always, your analysis is meticulous and enlightening. Your ability to dissect the situation and provide a detailed, yet easy-to-understand explanation of potential injuries is truly commendable and helpful for us sports enthusiasts. Keep up the amazing work! Looking forward to your next analysis.
I had a tfcc sprain a couple months ago and it's rough
Get this guy on the manningcast for this kinda stuff
In college while playing baseball I had a really strange injury where i tore my UCL but also the attaching bone on the Ulna. Felt a lot of pain when it happened in elbow & wrist. It was a grade two tear and decided to go against surgery. Years since the injury my hand especially middle through pinky will go numb, have trouble gripping at times when I use my arm after a long day At times I can throw and have no issue other days it feels like it almost feels loose. Elbows suck
Man I feel your pain I had a very similar injury and decided not to go with surgery also since I was young at the time, I had to dismiss throwing change ups years ago cus after every pitch my ring finger and pinky will get tingly ultimately numbing out!! Time to visit an ortho soon! Take care of them arms youngsters!!!
Dr Brian, I had checked once but this wasn’t up yet, lol, I beat you. Then I got the notification. I like this young man so much. I know he has to be so frustrated. Hope this isn’t to serious. Thanks…
He was wearing a brace on that wrist getting off the plane before the game, he was injured going into this one
Great analysis, as usual.
This guy has had a busy year. I’m 39 and never remember constant injuries growing up. Just seems like the injuries doubled over the last 20 years.
in 1990’s saw Don Hollis blow out his acl in a game in Cincy vs GB Packers . they won by about 30 points lol
No there's just more focus on it now
vaccine makes your bones weak
players are constantly getting bigger, faster and stronger. every hit or turn or push off is creating and dissipating more and more energy and tendon and ligament strength doesnt scale at the same rate as muscle strength. similar thing started happening in rugby union when it went professional and players had the time to physically train their bodies to stay at peak strength
2 common denominators :
Turf vs grass
Athletes are lifting too much weight
Tommy Jon , looks similar to Brock’s Purdy injury ,
Could be over use and or dead nerve line Carson Palmer in 2017-2018 .
This. I came here to say Tommy Jon, layman here can't think of a non-contact throwing injury that's this dramatic and isn't Tommy Jon
@@thewards6108 from your cervial spine down through the labrum and under the tricep head leading down to the ulnar and interfering with the digits could be a dead nerve or a gone dormant .
Hope that is doctor or layman enough for you , you troglodyte .
Golfer's elbow. I have the same problem and I have a hard time with grip when it flares up. That new pad that Burrow is wearing is on the outside of the arm, covering the radial nerve and the tendon set that runs on the outside of the elbow.
Follow up video post ligament diagnosis, please.
At the end of the game, he was only using his left hand to greet the other players. They flashed his right arm on camera while he was doing that and it looked swollen and slightly discolored.
I think it could be tfcc I had that injury before I remember feeling like a pop / snap when it happened it took awhile for my wrist to get back in the regular range of motion.
I learn so much through your content. Well explained and helps to understand what’s going on with those injuries.
You don’t think it’s a UCL tear/injury of some sort? Referring pain down to the hand is something my teammates experienced when they did the same thing even though it was with a baseball.
One of my teammates had a full tear of his UCL and still was able to throw but it just hurt like hell.
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During TNF, Michaels showed a video of Burrow departing the plane in Baltimore and he was wearing a wrist brace on his throwing arm! Didn’t anyone else see this. He was obviously dealing with some kind of wrist injury, before he even played🙄🙄🙄
my guess would be a TFCC injury, which Doc mentions, not a super common injury, often from accidently grounding (or hitting a root) a club golfing. Burrow seems to grab at the medial wrist/ hand junction during the follow through. It doesn't really hurt until one grips with wrist motion or strains or exerts force through that medial/ ulnar part of the wrist then its sudden excruciating/ knee buckling pain. If it's a tear of the disc of the TFCC - no bueno, months, not weeks, to heal. He could feasibly play through it but would be severely hampering, especially to an nfl QB's throwing hand.
Burrow didn’t seem very surprised or concerned. I wonder if it’s something that’s been bugging him previously
That's honestly what stood out to me too. That casual attitude about it on the sideline especially seemed like he was testing his dexterity for something he already knew about rather than figuring out something new.
Wow, you got this analysis loaded up fast, well done and great analysis!
I share your videos frequently to my brother who is in PT school. Great job!
Will you be covering the Mark Andrews injury, he was able to walk off the field on his own but they’re saying it’s a season ending injury?
Love the videos by the way, as a med student who loves sports, you make great content!
You didn't show him hit the ground. Clowneys hand is on top of Burrows wrist as they hit the ground. Take another look
I work in Physical Therapy and worked for years with a certified hand therapist, co-treating many patient's because of my interest in the subject matter. You're right that with the limited available information, I'm finding it hard to confidently determine what the actual injury here is. My suspicion is similar, that he may be having some kind of ulnar nerve irritation. I have seen cases of dystonia where irritation of the superior fibers can cause a localized dsytonia in palmaris brevis as well as abductor digiti minimi. I wish I could more clearly see his hypothenar eminence. In cases I've seen with notable dystonia/spasm, there is almost always dimpling along the medial aspect of the hypothenar eminence between the flexor and abductor near where palmaris brevis begins blending into the skin. Why it is happening is harder to say. A TFCC disruption or some other cause of acute inflammation could aggravate a potential chronic overuse injury. Or maybe something that happened in another game this season. Who knows, anyways, love the channel and content! This scratches my itch lol.
Lost me at dimpling.
What’s the recovery time out of curiosity?
@@caaninfausone792 impossible to determine without knowing a clear cause/having an actual diagnosis at this point unfortunately.
Burrow broke the pinkie on his throwing hand mid game two years ago. He played through it and the organization never acknowledged it. He took the Bengals to the Super Bowl throwing with that grip and he's done it ever since.
Just went to the hand specialist today for my "trigger finger" left pinkie. Learned quite a bit about tendons and pulleys, and received a big ole cortisone shot. Hope it works. As a pianist, this is something new and I am wondering if my left-hand boogie-woogie chops are to blame, since that requires an intense repetitive motion with the pinkie. The doctor said possibly, and that seems a good bet, because boogie woogie is a more recent addition to my playing (last 5 years), and a lot of practice is required to maintain a steady fast rhythm. Good luck to Burrow. He may certainly be dealing with something more challenging.
i got stung by a scorpion here in AZ on my index finger. for a solid 3 months typing on a keyboard was awful , it damaged a nerve and it took it a long time to work right , pounding on the keys of the keyboard isn’t quite like playing a piano but after that i kinda understand those repetitive use injuries
TNF announcers indicated he elicited pain after a throw in their last game.
Well it's a torn ligament so this guy is good and knows his stuff.
I could be way off here. But if you can, go back and take a look at the 10min mark in the first quarter 1st and 10…. Joe runs and it looks like right after he gets tackled to the ground he kinda works that hand. I’m wondering if that where he injured it, after that I believe it was a lot of short passes.
As a bengals fan this is devastating crazy how you take him off the field and they go from contenders to last in the division so much for the playoff run again this year he made Cincy football entertaining again hope you get healthy joe b 😢😢
They were already in last WITH Burrow
I mean they were 5-5 so they could do better in 2nd half and squeeze into the playoffs.
Bengals before Burrow is not just last-place. Other than a few years of Carson Palmer, they were a perennial laughingstock of the league.
We already seen the peak of Burrow. If he’s this injury prone in his prime years, he’s going to have no longevity in the sport. He’s falling apart like the rest of his team
@@lethalfang for the last 20 years they’ve been in the playoffs close to the playoffs and went to the Super Bowl Andy dalton had a good run they were 5-4 my dude with burrow he stays healthy they probably win that game and the whole division would have 4 losses pretty much minus the winner of Cleveland Baltimore why you a hater bro let me guess you’re a queefs fan joe burrow is the only qb to hand mahomes 3 straight losses they’ll be back don’t worry you can come back next year and check this comment 😂 idk what joe has to do get respect he’s an elite player and will be for years to come
@@lethalfangDalton took the Bengals to like 5 straight playoff appearances even tho he lost them all hahaha still not easy to do
Man when i saw this my first thought was it was something to do with a nerve. Grip issues, random shooting pain and instability. I noticed that pinky as well, looks like it's been broken before or something. This one hits me hard. Not only because I love Burrow and want to see this team do well but also Burrow is the main QB on my fantasy team and I'm currently in line to win $5k if I can hold position. I was kinda sick to my stomach when I realized that. I know that sounds selfish but man I am really really poor. I really hope for Joe's sake, the Bengals sake and my sake this is something he can manage through the rest of the season and play well.
This is a top tier shit post 😭
Give him a break. He's poor. @@UN4SS1GN3D
I lost 800$ last night because of burrow. I don’t really care about his wrist.
since i saw it happen live, i was waiting for ur knowledge! 🙏
At the end of August I was moving a concrete block and something popped in my wrist. There wasn’t a sound, just a feeling of a pop. Since then, I can’t rotate my wrist (rotate as in if I hold my arm out in front of me and try to rotate my hands to make my palm face up or down). I only have pain when my wrist is moving with rotation in this manner.
I’ve had X-rays and an MRI and I’ve been diagnosed with, “Ulnar-sided fissuring of the triangular fibrocartilage without full-thickness tear, mild sprain of the focal and styloid attachments of the TFC without tear or retraction, mild intratendinous increased signal in exterior carpi ulnaris, mild tendinosis without tendon tear or retraction.” Quoted from my MRI results.
My MRI was conducted 2 1/2 months AFTER my injury, but Burrow’s reaction to certain movements and the “pop” he was mentioning reminded me of me of exactly what I’m going through. I’m almost pain free, even when the injury happened, but certain movements are excruciating. Just on Monday I gave a buddy of mine a goofy sort of salute with my hand and that has been the most pain I’ve experienced in my wrist, even more so than the initial “pop.”
Great explanation. How about a video on Deshaun Watson and his glenoid injury next?
Was about to say this lol
Can you do one on mark Andrew’s please
Out for the season. It's bad
You can see around the 1:30 mark, it looks like the defender and Burrows arms slide past each other, and for a split second it looks like Burrows pinky is all curled up like it got snagged as their arms swung opposite directions.
Amazing video! Love ur explaining of injuries in a way that it is easy for average people to understand
Feel like some Doctors on RUclips drown their viewers with medical terms that make it confusing
You lost me at covid crap…
Physician spreads message about Covid treatments, wow
Never once heard the word 'vaccine' or any variation of it.
Get lost then!
Boo-hoo
first time getting to your video, easy to understand and simple. thank you
Jay Glazer reported yesterday that Burrow tore the "middle ligament in his wrist, responsible for stability." Are you able to do a follow up video explaining more about this injury, now that we have more information. Thank you and love the videos.
You’re fantastic at explaining the intricacies of his injury. I’m a new subscriber simply based on that 👏🏾👏🏾…
I believe it’s a tendon injury looks familiar to what I experienced- If that’s the case as you’re aware it’s definitely gonna need surgery
Your are the best love how you get into details about everything thank you helping me understand more about what's going on
Marcus Mariota got ulnar nerve injury his 2nd or 3rd year. He was unable to really grip the ball the rest of the season. They tried several things like tape, special gloves, etc. Nothing really worked except weeks of resting it. He said it took a long time before he could feel his fingers again.
Had the same. You would be surprised how much affect that nerve has on your arm and hand and nothing worked beside wearing a splint for weeks on end. Was struggling to even hold a cup!
I just recently healed from this kind of injury, it's not fun. Mine was during a bowling match, threw the ball one too many times and after I threw the ball, my hand went numb, and my pinky and ring finger had the excat same reaction Burrow did. Great to know excatly what I had now. Thank you
Yep. I couldn't bowl for over a year after an injury like this.
You're and excellent speaker. This was very interesting. Thank Yiou
I just came across your channel looking for burrow news.. love this ( not my qb injury 🤬) but The details and insight on your knowledge and expertise… great job doc. Keep up the good work ! New subscriber here moving forward
joe burrow: i broke my pinkey. mark andrews: hold my ankle. lmao
Hilarious
Russell Wilson suffered a finger injury a few years ago ago and was out. QBs kinda need good hands.
Wouldn’t be talking like this if it was your qb lmao
@@hopsinburneraccount685 its raider nation u think we have good qbs. yall gotta stop crying
Just announced it was a torn ligament and he will be out the rest of the season. We Cincinnatians love you and hope you have a fast recovery, Joe ❤️🩹
Really? I heard it from you first!
@@blairbrownie1223you must not have social media?
Shut HIM DOWN
Don't play with nerve injuries unless you want to see your qb go out like Andrew luck n retire AT 27 28 because of damage like this
The injury appears to occur when Clowney takes him down smashing his hand on the play prior to the TD
It sucks when you have high expectations for your team but the season is over half way through
I thought it must have been similar to Brock Purdy’s injury in last years NFC championship games
Noah Lowery of the SF Giants had a 'forearm injury' back in the mid-2000's. The symptoms seem very similar. We never heard much about the first surgery, only that Lowery's agent accused the SF Giants of a misdiagnosis and his issue was a circulation problem. It essentially ended his career.
Burrow started wearing the elbow pad when the game started against the Texans a week earlier. He was roughed on the 1st play of the game.
However, Burrow was also roughed in the Bills game 2 weeks ago by Tim Settle, where he landed on his right elbow. Burrow was not wearing the elbow pad.
A lot of medical jargon, but SO EASY to understand!! If you love football, you'll love this channel and the content!!
Hurt himself jacking at the half 😂.. doc
This was an awesome video on your part. Easy to understand for the layman and very informative. It looks like it could be a nerve issue to me from what you explained, and I hope it is "only" a nerve issue because J. Chase is on my main fantasy team.
That’s such a crazy injury…
The fastest RUclipsr in the land, thank you for this analysis
Originally I thought it was similar to the injury that Pitchers get with their elbow. Having had and injury to the tendon in my hand I can attest to the pop and sudden sharp pain involved. It was weeks before I could grip anything without pain.
Seemed like he had a problem before the game to the wrist so dont think its the elbow. He had a wrist brace when he arrived in Baltimore. My guess is it's a ligament in the wrist that he tried to play thru and it popped. He'll miss the rest of the season because they're done. Guessing surgery to fix it. Doubt he'll be the same.
This sounds similar to the Purdy injury and I remember him having a similar experience throwing on the sideline. In both cases, they could perform a throwing motion, but couldn't grip the ball at all.
i don’t think there was a mechanism for tearing his ucl
I had tendon surgery in my left hand and had the same experience of not being able to fully use my arm it just ached got real wreak and my hand was useless. 5th metacarpal tendons were shredded after surgery took time but hand is fine cannot make a angryfist but it curls up almost to a fist. The last 2 fingers dont curl up all the way, great vid
The Bengals deleted a video screen capture coming off the plane and he was wearing a brace on that hand, so I am thinking it was injured before tonight.
I was waiting for this video, man you gotta love the breakdown of either what it is or what it could possibly be. Doc can you do the injury of Amik Robertson from last Sunday Night?
With brace visible pre game could it be some severe tendonitis and just getting worse.
4:53 holy cow hearing this is more normal after it happening to me often my whole life is so refreshing.
I'm not a doctor but when he was on the sideline saying he can't throw it was exactly the same as what Brock Purdy said when he injured his elbow. Purdy also said he felt something pop when his injury happened. I think Burrow is done for the season.
First time watching. This was incredibly informative. Subbed
Another great vid, Doc! I honestly didn’t watch the game, so this video was basically my injury update lol
USDOJ IM doc here. Love your videos!!! Great ortho reviews. Should be used in med school gross classes.
It was reported before the game when Burrow got off the plane that he was wearing some type of wrist guard so it could be something that happened prior. Of course, why this wasn't reported as per the rules we don't know.
The day before, while exiting the team plane, he had some sort of compression wrap on the same hand.
Hey Brian could you do a follow up video on Kyler Murray’s ACL recovery? He looked amazing coming back and I just want to know how common it is and how good he looked compared to expectations of how he should look in his first game back. Thanks!
When I was about 16 yrs old, I was leaned over an open hood in the engine
compartment of a car, trying with all my force to remove a bolt with a wrench.
The wrench slipped off the bolt, and then I hit my elbow nerve on the inside of
the hood opening. Very painful, and I swear to God, my last 2 fingers were "totally"
numb for at least 2-3 weeks. Eventually the feeling came back very slowly. When
I was younger, I always thought nature would heal things on its own ? Well now,
after 50 years, I can still feel that nerve ( ulnar I think) on the inside of my elbow.
It feels like it's sticking out of the cartiledge or whatever holds it in place. Today
I cannot sleep with my arm down on the bed, as I have to elevate it with a pillow,
and if I don't, that slight pressure will cause my arm to go numb. I never had any
other pain except the numbness, and had full motion of my arm. I was too young
and stupid to think of surgery, and also had the fear, it may make it worse ? This
is now something I live with and it's OK if I don't hit the inside of my elbow. I do
wonder today, if I should have had surgery surgery back then, and especially today,
with medical science being so advanced. This is an injury I've lived with a long time.
Love the videos! I'm with you on the ulnar nerve injury myself as I'm dealing with one currently. Actually just tried to throw on a pickup game today and couldn't throw.
Just had surgery on my right arm to try and correct Ulnar Nerve Entrapment. My nerve was so damaged that the plastic surgeon called in all of his nurses when he examined me for surgery prep just so they could gawk in amazement about how bad my case was. Pinky and ring finger are completely numb, and hand strength and grip are terrible. Have trouble opening up simple things like food. Was told by the Dr who did the electric nerve testing that it will never be like it was before. I have the same thing on my left arm and hand, but it has very little damage. I am right-handed. When I saw Joe try to throw the FB and it fell out of his hand, immediately thought it was the Ulnar nerve. Sorry, this was so long.