The first battle of Phillipi is probably the weirdest battle I have heard of: 1) the battle starts by accident 2) Brutus flanks his enemy BY ACCIDENT 3) Brutus breaks his enemy but can’t take advantage of it because his troops decide to stay looting the enemy camp 4) Anthony breaks his enemy by accident 5) Cassius kills himself because he noticed cavalry approaching..... it was allied cavalry
Anyone who has been in combat will tell you that plans fall apart upon contact with the enemy, instincts and/or training takes over, and at all times you can just get killed at random and there is nothing you can do to try and make sense of it. We really only hear about the exceptions to this, where uniquely talented officers & generals leverage extremely well disciplined & trained troops to pull off the maneuvers & victories we read about. However, throughout pre-modern history (and into today somewhat), much of human warfare has been waged by inbred nobles or entitled incompetents of ruling class. Typically surrounded by supporting leadership valued for it's mediocrity and inability to threaten the status quo, with poorly disciplined & trained conscripts, criminals, slaves etc and maybe a handful of decent veterans or mercenaries. Most battles boil down to two mobs of people being forced to kill each other by incompetents until one gives up or is destroyed. This gets even worse in modern war when people will likely get killed by something they never even saw coming (bomb/artillery/surprise gunfire). What I am trying to say is that Phillipi isn't that unusual if we consider what most battles were like. We are spoiled by focusing so much on the genius & glory of the few ppl & armies that were really successful at warfare into imaging that all warfare must be like that.
"This is known as the Second Battle of Philippi, because it was the second battle, and because it was near Philippi." See, this is the cutting edge historical knowledge you just don't get elsewhere.
One of the most important battles in Roman history, can be summed up as “what the hell is happening, there’s so many people and I have dust in my eyes”
There’s actually multiple battles in Roman history that could be summarised like that, the battle of Cannae, the battle of Carrhae and the battle of Philippi
Glad hes continuing with the end of the republic. Most history youtubers like to drop it after Caesar dies. Augustus' story deserves more retelling than just HBO
I've gotten so used to following Caesar and his practically impeccable tactics, so watching two (I guess four?) armies blunder about like this is pretty jarring.
Some say that after this battle Roman engineers were able to make aqueducts flow uphill for the next 20 years, powered solely by Caesar and Pompey spinning in their graves.
Yeah fucking hell, watching Caesar and Pompey, heck even the Gauls (let's forget about Crassus) fight was like watching strategic geniuses, the likes of Scipio and Hannibal. And then in the second roman civil war I was already suspicious when there were a total of almost 40 legions in total, like bruh imagine if they had come together then and just attacked the rest of the world.
@@64standardtrickyness The problem is not looting cities. The problem is looting *your own* cities. Cities that had already surrendered to Roman authority, so as to not get sacked and plundered. What Brutus promised was betrayal, plain and simply, and that was considered one of the worst sins back then. Worse than just plundering by itself.
@@georgewu4051 This is a reference to the American call for independence, not feminism. Back then, rich women enjoyed much better lives than the Middle Class working women that become instrumental to the feminist movement
I would say his legacy is pretty contestet. While Dante famously put him next to judas and cassius in the deepest part of the hell, voltaire, for example, praised him for standing up against tyranny.
@@insomnius3447 the main positives ive seen from his legacy are from people who are in love with the Roman republic more then people who admire Brutus himself, this video alone show cases how unsavory he was offering to let the legions burn, loot and rape Roman cities with roman civilians and civilians under roman protection isnt really all that great and ideallic
@@togekiss09 The Brutus family name comes from Lucius Junius Brutus who founded the Roman republic by pretending to be stupid so the tyrant Tarquinius Superbus wouldn't suspect him of being dangerous and kill him, then inciting a revolution at the first good opportunity. The Roman legend was that he carried a walking stick made from a gnarled piece of wood with a gold rod hidden inside.
Altough in Total War they are half sized cohorts, not even amounting to one legion. I tried a mod with historical unit sizes but my god the fps goes down the drain
I just don't get why Antony insisted that Brutus had noble intentions even after Philippi. He was alleged to have stabbed Caesar in the groin, after all (revenge for Caesar boning Brutus' mother?). Also, didn't Brutus' father-in-law take up arms against Caesar and then brutally commit suicide when he lost?
I believe that this is largely one of those situations where you have such a strong distain for the people you are fighting against that through your eyes anything done to thwart them is seen as just. Really its just fooling yourself in to believing you're the good guy despite doing things that are just as bad the "bad guy" you want to take down.
@@incanusolorin2607 Ulysses is in the "best" part of Hell though. The first layer is devoid of torment and is reserved for virtuous people who lived before the birth of Jesus and thus could not be Christians but since they didn't do anything bad enough to warrant eternal punishment they just kinda chill in the void.
Mahesvara That’s not where Ulysses is. He is tortured by being constantly set on fire with the false counselors. Ps: I only know the correct names in Italian. I’m sorry if “false counselors” isn’t the right translation of “consiglieri fraudolenti”.
I like to think that at least in the modern day people think more fondly of Brutus. Dante was a Roman empire stan, he hated the greeks, hated the catholic church, was a monarchist, and it shows. The guy is an apex of projecting your political opinions into your writing. The other guy who famously wrote about Brutus is Shakespeare. He was also a monarchist but he was far kinder to Brutus. Imagine if an American writer wrote a dramatic story about Rome. I feel they would remember Brutus as Brutus wanted to be remembered.
I find it amazing that Brutus, prior to committing suicide, thought he would be remembered as a righteous man. Yet, when Dante wrote the Inferno, Brutus and Cassius are the two people in the mouth of Satan along with Judas --- the man who betrayed Christ. Like, you could not be more wrong about how you are remembered.
@@zxylo786, he is kind of the creator of our modern conception of Hell, and somewhat contributed to the creation of the modern Italian language. So... a lot of people.
From all I've read Sulla wasn't cruel. He murdered political opponents yes, but so did Marius when he killed Sulla's supporters. Marius was a "man of the people" and so doesn't get painted with the same brush as Sulla, despite being just as devious.
The earthquakes cause choppy waves. The sailors, terrified at how much larger the waves were than the weather should allow, believe it to be a sign from the gods and throw Brutus's head into the sea.
On a previous episode of Historia Civilis: "...Brutis's first instinct seems to always be to wait, which is an alarming trait for a leader." Current episode: "I CHOOSE TO WAIT"
When one of Sulla's supporters that became a reformer (Crassus) died and Caesar's Daughter died - Some intelligence died (End of first triumvirate) When Another one of Sulla's supporters that became a reformer that went back to the Optimates (Pompey) died, so did some more When Pompey's 4th father in law (Caesar died) - Almost all the intelligence in Rome died When Caesar's mistress's brother's brother in law's brother (Cicero) died- No longer was their any intelligence in Rome
19:18 "The second battle of Philippi...so called because it was the second battle that took place near the area known as Philippi" you can tell this man is a real competent historian.
They are sorely missing good generals, or at least not appointing those that deserve it. Who still alive would have been better? Caesar, Labienus, Pompey (both opposite side I know) were gone and for some reason Lepidus was left in Italy. Antony wasn't that bad tho right? I heard some flaws but Caesar seemed to mostly approve of him and he did well on a ~micro level in Alesia.
@@Paddythelaad I imagine Lepidus was left behind because he was the most competent administrator of the three. Antony demonstrated his political incompetence when Caesar left him in charge of Rome, and a good portion of the city still hated him for it. Octavian was young and an unknown quantity at that point. The Triumvirs might have thought the morale boost the troops would get for being lead by "The Son of Caesar" would be better than any administrative skills Octavian possessed. Edited because somehow I wrote Labienus instead of Lepidus the first time.
@@VAWM. Anthony and Octavian bitterly mistrusted each other, but they both trusted Lepidus to honour the triumvirate agreement. The chaotic game-of-thrones from the last episode could resume at any moment if one of them had an army under his individual control and decided to backstab his rival. Leading an army jointly together was their way of preventing that.
Little cubes should not display so much emotion but here we are. Amazing how clear the story is with a few colors, very well done. The binge has been real with this channel and I've loved every minute of it.
Antony: "I have actually been in a battle before". Cassius: "I know several dudes who have been in a battle before." Brutus: *hurriedly leafing through Battles 101* "Okay thin line good thick line bad LETS GO GUYS." Octavian: "I have a note from my father excusing me from the battle." Also, Brutus not coming to help when it would be most useful is pretty much the whole vibe of the Republican Resistance.
They could’ve conquered all of Europe, especially if they had veteran legions. The real question is how long that territory will last, because we all know what happens when an empire overextends itself by a long shot. Nothing ends well. I also think that it would be kind of pointless to extend so, so far. There would be too many places that would be a deadweight to Rome. Augustus’ policy of keeping Rome’s borders as is and not extending further was, I think, the right call. Trajan would expand the empire further during his reign as emperor, but Mesopotamia especially was a burden on Rome that it couldn’t bear, which is the main reason why Hadrian left and reverted back to Augustus’ policy. Sure, it would be cool to conquer Europe and maybe even Arabia and the Parthians, but it wouldn’t be all that good for the Romans in the long run.
or maybe they could have but did not want to, because it is really hard to sustain/manage (as shown by the above)? Caesar has proved time and time again that a small experienced force can easily defeat a large army.From there, it seems wiser to keep a relatively small force.
All I could think about during the battle was how much Caesar would've wiped the floor with them. It probably would have been one of his most celebrated victories too, beating 17 legions with probably hardly any casualties.
@@theholyinquisition389 *Murdered his adoptive father - who truly, deeply, sincerely loved him - out of ideological loyalty to a rotting carcass that was already dead and gone.
@SrBeetleVase brutus already meant idiot or dullard in those days, the romans had funny naming conventions Fabius came from their word for bean, Cicero from peas, Ahala means armpit, and so on; funny that the word bruto has been used in the same way for over 3000 years.
Fox D except it’s not true. Puny comes from 16th century French “puisne” which in turn comes from late Latin “postea ne” “afterwards born” which was a legal category denoting inferior rank. It has nothing to do with the Punic Wars. Punic derives from the Latin poenus and punicus, which were used mostly to refer to the Carthaginians and other western Phoenicians. These terms derived from the Ancient Greek word Φοῖνιξ (Phoinix), pl. Φοίνικες (Phoinikes), which was used indiscriminately to refer to both western and eastern Phoenicians. Latin later borrowed the Greek term a second time as phoenix.
Plutarch, in his "Life of Brutus" from Parallel Lives, mentions that Brutus' enemies respected him, recounting that Antony once said that "Brutus was the only man to have slain Caesar because he was driven by the splendour and nobility of the deed
The battle of the four idiots: Octavian and Cassius: normally not idiots but act like idiots during this battle Mark Anthony: normally an idiot but doesn't act like an idiot during this battle Brutus: normally an idiot, an idiot here as well
@@georgewu4051 Octavian basically let his friend and ally Agrippa do the actual command of his legions. When you don't know what you're doing, let the professional do the job and get out of their way. At least he know his limitation and sought proper assistance.
*spoilers 21:15 "It's hard to imagine how they could screw this up, unless they turned on each other or something, but why would they do a stupid thing like that!" *Cleopatra has entered the chat
Honestly, the part where brutus and friends went up the mountains and just went on a four day of simply "living" and having fun made me smile... I mean, after so much turmoil, stress, death, war and loss, what better thing to do than have a 4 days bender of drinking and reciting greek poetry with your buddies?
@@pez4 didn't they basically subcontract it to the guy who they thought would get them the most $? Or was that another ancient society's incredibly stupid way of doing things?
@@caiawlodarski5339 That's really not true. Historians usually try not to "moralize" but they very often do make value judgments of the choices of those they study. The work of history is a work of storytelling after all. An attempt to piece together events separated from us by time and space into a coherent, explitive narrative to create an understanding of the past using the barest scraps of info. This story is not a simple morality fable, so we don't see historians usually crafting "good guys and bad guys" but judgments of what choices were made always happen. It's the way of things.
I rewatch the whole series that Historia Civilis does from Cicero’s year until this moment every couple of months and every time I get depressed that there isn’t more... looking forward to the next episode
Caesar vs Pompey: Full mankind's military brilliancy from both sides Brutus vs Octavian: Two kids, trying to slap each other, trying to look like their elders from the first part of my comment, only slaping themselves instead
@@DanishCamp Presumably he knew Octavian was his son when he was getting assassinated, since he had written in his will and probably knew he was going to die
Normal person on their birthday: ''Yay! Also: cake'' Historia Civilis watcher on their birthday: ''battle or murder? I hoped I would get a nicer pick of presents''
lol, all of Caesar's battles have been like: * brilliant tactics, strategy, and maneuver coupled with bold construction projects * meanwhile, we got the kids fighting here like: * the incompetence happened to work in his favor *
Not all Caesar, known for his sonic like speed, went across the water too early, losing many many triemes and troops needlessly. One of his very few tactical mistakes few know. He bossed mutinous legions though ie his favoured 10th
Hey! Dude, your videos are incredible. I had to finally give in to my conscience and pledge a little on Patreon for all the incredible content you've posted over the last few years. Can't wait for the next one, as always.
@@ToughCheese I'm fairly sure that no matter what god that you prey to if you commit genocide you are automatically banished from heaven. Caesar is in the same afterlife club as Hitler and King Leopold II.
@@Darin882 It brings into perspective why Caesar initially kept those fresh legions in reserve. Pulling shit like this would have been unacceptable in this kind of engagement. Imagine if a legion fucked up like this at Alesia.
So, Agrippa allowed himself to be outflanked, saw his entire army routed? Perhaps Agrippa was falsely lauded for his martial skills? I know of no strategem or tactical innovation attributed to him. Pompey's son was strangling Rome and Agrippa never got the better of him. I think Agrippa benefitted from being a survivor and being on the side that eventually won.
@@thomashazlewood4658 Agrippa only became Octavian's main general after the death of Salvidienus Rufus, at the time this battle takes place he still had not obtained that position and he was the one that eventually expelled Sextus Pompeius from Sicily, his whole career is one of competence and success, not sure if that alone is enough to put him among the great generals of history but I think he is comfortably the best roman general of his generation alongside maybe Ventidius Bassus.
@@Sealdeam Thanks for your views, Sealdeam. However, it is my understanding that Sextus' fleets strangled Rome's grain supplies, to the frustration of Augustus. Augustus built two large fleets to fight him and both were lost, while the grain embargo continued. Finally, Sextus was lured into a political agreement which resolved the embargo. He was not defeated militarily, he was seduced into defeat by clever politics.
@@thomashazlewood4658 it is true that Octavian failed to defeat Sextus and that eventually a treaty was signed between him and the Triumvirs but that peace was broken and the eventual fall of Sextus was due a successful military campaign led by Agrippa, it is more than likely that Octavian's own failures against Sextus were the main factor that lead to his decision to fully delegate military affairs to more capable members of his faction namely Agrippa and Statilius Taurus; but the cause of the start of hostilities between them was due the defection of one of Sextus' generals so intrigue also played a part in that conflict.
All the people I mess 1. Crassus (Died 53 BC, marking the end of the Triumvirate) - While many see him as a politician with no military talent - But like, he won so many before Carrhae 2. Labienus (Died 45 BC, marking the end of the Civil war) 3. Caesar (Died 44 BC, marking the end of the Republic) 4. Cicero (Died 43 BC, marking the end of all remaining chances of restoring the republic) When was Rome founded? 753 BC When was Rome lost? 753 AD When was the Roman empire destroyed? 474 AD When was the Roman empire Destroyed? 1456 AD When was the Roman empire destroyed? When brutes killed the man in charge When was the Roman kingdom destroyed? When Brutus killed the man in charge When was the Roman republic destroyed? When Brutus killed the man in charge When did Brutus kill the man in charge? in 509 BC When did Brutus kill the man in charge? In 44 BC When did brutes kill the man in charge? In 1453 AD Who was the first Roman ruler? Romulus Who was the first Roman emperor? Augustus Who was the last Emperor/Ruler? Romulus Augustulus Who was the last Roman Emperor/ruler? Constantine Augustus
I think it's pretty likely that Octavian or, (spoilers) Augustus, simply became so stressed that he fell ill often during turning points in his life. You can look at his later years, when he faced no significant political opposition or immediate threats to his life, and this trend continued. There were also moments where Augustus did personally risk his life in battle or against angry mobs and he did not fall ill. I think the pattern more likely indicates severe stress from time to time facing important challenges, particularly military command, rather than a go-to lie on his part to get out of trouble.
There is no way to know which it is. And unless he had high fever and was constantly throwing up he could have sit on a horse near battle and look inspiring from a distance while others did the commanding. Instead going into the marshes. Also Augustus later in the tendency of not going near the battle in the first place, but sending Agrippa, his stepsons, grandsons and any other loyal legate he could find. So maybe he he understood that he would get stressed news battles, but regardless he really was the one who broke Roman tradition of the imperator actually needing to command.
After all the ingenuity that Julius Caesar pulled off, this is one of the funniest battles on this channel. It beats the heavy infantry who kept marching out of the battle.
I've always felt that accidents and incompetence makes for most interesting history, especially when people screwing up are given a victory they also screw up.
I just wanted to say that this is the best history channel on RUclips. After finding this video I’ve watched every single video at least twice. Also I wrote an essay for my Western Civilization class on the assassination of Julius Caesar. Thank you for the amazing content ❤️
Man, I was so disappointed that the usual ending music didn't play at the end of the video. Fantastic video as per usual, I just miss the old outro music. It suits your channel and videos so well!
I actually feel a little bad for Octavian in this situation. The guy was not a brilliant general like Caesar was, his brilliance was in politics and administration. The thing is Octavian knew he was no good at this but because of Roman society had to pretend to be a soldier. Letting the actual soldiers do their thing and staying out of their way was the smart thing to do, especially when considering how Brutus ended up when he tried to play soldier.
@@protonjones54 Brutus loses my sympathy because he brought this on himself. He assassinates Caesar after he was pardoned by him and then just expects to be rewarded and cheered for his actions. He totally botches the post-assassination situation by always making the wrong choice. He was clearly no leader and always seemed to go for the choice that required the least amount of effort from himself. He was a spoiled rich kid who cruised through life and the only reason he was brought in on the conspiracy was because of his family name. Brutus seemed to think he was greater then he actually was while Octavian always seemed to have a clear view of what his own strengths and weaknesses were.
So I am writing a paper for university about how Octavian dealt with the Conspirators after he came to power with his first consuleahip which of course will include a lengthy passage on the battles of philippi. These videos have helped me out a bunch more then somenof the really dry and boringly written books on the time. So really thanks for that. Also: The account of Plutarch on the battle in his biography of Brutus and Appians account are both really worth a read. The battles are vividly described in these passages.
@@napoleoncomplex2712All of his moves ended up being half baked though. The fence idea didn't go far enough and the redeploying accidentally ended up with a huge battle. He tried.
@@Supernoxus Fair points. Bear in mind that he was dealing with rookie legions on a much larger scale than usual. He didn't have Caesar's veterans who could turn on a dime.
Wealthy Roman citizens: "Why should we pay taxes when we don't have full political rights?" Poor provincials who have no political rights and whose homes and families have been looted to pay for the Roman state: "Are we a joke to you?" Also, Brutus, you might be right about Marc Antony, but Octavian? He's uh... he's going to be remembered for something else.
@@incanusolorin2607 Marxius. Turns out, there aren't any genuine Roman names that sound much like "Karl" _or_ "Marx". ("Carolus" is the _medieval_ Latin form of "Charles," and Marxius is Marius with an 'x'.)
@@peach5438 I think the spelt cicero backwards, which is ironic since Cicero was already backwards in his own days, trying to fight for the stagnant republic of oligarchs.
As a massive history geek lemme just say props to you for making a lot of normal human beings who are not nearly as autistic as us interested in roman politics and moving squares
by far my favorite history channel on youtube, and there are plenty that I love. The videos are so incredibly enjoyable that I often watch them multiple times to get everything I can out of them. Thanks for another great one!
I wonder if Romans living in that period felt like modern day people do about 2020, like did they also adopt a "well this might as well fucking happen" attitude? Like they have just settled in for Caesar being the dictator for life after a civil war, then he gets assassinated and there is another even bigger civil war, then the victors of that civil war turn on each other and out of it all comes the adopted kid who hated war on top and becomes the "Imperator" establishing a concept (emperor) that literally didn't even exist yet at this point but would end up becoming fundamental for the next almost 2000 years of history in the region.
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21:10 SEXTUS POMPEIUS BOAT KING
WE CAN'T GET INTO IT NOW.
Now now, he was a boat Consul
“Your enemies”
*he was THE BOAT KING OF ROME*
"Ich lasse mir doch nicht mein Schiff unter dem Arsch wegschießen Feuererlaubnis!" - Some roman boat king, probably
incredible
The first battle of Phillipi is probably the weirdest battle I have heard of:
1) the battle starts by accident
2) Brutus flanks his enemy BY ACCIDENT
3) Brutus breaks his enemy but can’t take advantage of it because his troops decide to stay looting the enemy camp
4) Anthony breaks his enemy by accident
5) Cassius kills himself because he noticed cavalry approaching..... it was allied cavalry
luck does play some importance in battle
Cassius Spelled as Decimus,I need to put that there
Neil Myron Quintos sorry I confused the names
1 and 3 were soooo common.
Anyone who has been in combat will tell you that plans fall apart upon contact with the enemy, instincts and/or training takes over, and at all times you can just get killed at random and there is nothing you can do to try and make sense of it. We really only hear about the exceptions to this, where uniquely talented officers & generals leverage extremely well disciplined & trained troops to pull off the maneuvers & victories we read about.
However, throughout pre-modern history (and into today somewhat), much of human warfare has been waged by inbred nobles or entitled incompetents of ruling class. Typically surrounded by supporting leadership valued for it's mediocrity and inability to threaten the status quo, with poorly disciplined & trained conscripts, criminals, slaves etc and maybe a handful of decent veterans or mercenaries. Most battles boil down to two mobs of people being forced to kill each other by incompetents until one gives up or is destroyed. This gets even worse in modern war when people will likely get killed by something they never even saw coming (bomb/artillery/surprise gunfire).
What I am trying to say is that Phillipi isn't that unusual if we consider what most battles were like. We are spoiled by focusing so much on the genius & glory of the few ppl & armies that were really successful at warfare into imaging that all warfare must be like that.
"This is known as the Second Battle of Philippi, because it was the second battle, and because it was near Philippi."
See, this is the cutting edge historical knowledge you just don't get elsewhere.
@@funkyRUclipshandel what?
@Pol bald isn't it?
Thought the same and had a laugh. I guess that was the intention from Historia-Civilis! :D :D :D ☻
Historia Civilis:**Slaps top of history of roman campaigns**
H.C: you can fit *two* Plillipian battles in this bad boy
god dammn
One of the most important battles in Roman history, can be summed up as “what the hell is happening, there’s so many people and I have dust in my eyes”
"also why did cassius kill himself after he got backup! and where is my COFFIE"
There’s actually multiple battles in Roman history that could be summarised like that, the battle of Cannae, the battle of Carrhae and the battle of Philippi
Ever heard of the "haze of war"?? That's exactly what it is. Ask any soldier you meet if they were ever NOT confused during battle.
@@laurakastrup
Not really. Hannibal had a plan and it worked. Varro had a plan and it failed. No one had any plan in this shitshow.
@@laurakastrup
I’d think Cannae and Carrhae are more summed up as “FUCK FUCK FUCK” from the Roman perspective.
Glad hes continuing with the end of the republic. Most history youtubers like to drop it after Caesar dies. Augustus' story deserves more retelling than just HBO
I couldn't even make it to Julius Caesar's death, they were doing Cleopatra so dirty
Most historian youtubers stop at the death of Caesar so that the virtues of Brutus can be remembered.
@@JayKayDanks how so? I thought they made her a shrewd political player
@@AndrewTheFrank I see what you did there.
I find this period more interesting honestly
I've gotten so used to following Caesar and his practically impeccable tactics, so watching two (I guess four?) armies blunder about like this is pretty jarring.
lol same
I was expecting some king of wall being built around the enemy, but all i got was a really big brawl.
@Domantas propably one of the reasons Ceasar was so surprised at his political incompetence.
You could even see Antony was kinda going for the good ol' "lets just build a wall around em" strat.
Where was Agrippa in this? Did he contribute to the battle?
Some say that after this battle Roman engineers were able to make aqueducts flow uphill for the next 20 years, powered solely by Caesar and Pompey spinning in their graves.
Yeah fucking hell, watching Caesar and Pompey, heck even the Gauls (let's forget about Crassus) fight was like watching strategic geniuses, the likes of Scipio and Hannibal. And then in the second roman civil war I was already suspicious when there were a total of almost 40 legions in total, like bruh imagine if they had come together then and just attacked the rest of the world.
@@starplays3718 40 legions? Holy cow, they could've just stream rolled Parthia with that many soldiers.
shit that is the funniest and smartest joke ever made
@@BatCostumeGuy This time it was Crassus's turn to spin in his grave.
@@BatCostumeGuy imagine if the Mark Antony and done that with the survivors as a victory lap.
Brutus: promises his army that they could sack Roman cities*
Also Brutus: I will be remembered for my virtue!
Winds up being remembered for stabbing his friend and adopted kin in the, er... back.
I thought the same thing. I am old and dropped out of school in 9th grade. It is wonderful to learn and it's also fun.
@@64standardtrickyness The problem is not looting cities. The problem is looting *your own* cities. Cities that had already surrendered to Roman authority, so as to not get sacked and plundered. What Brutus promised was betrayal, plain and simply, and that was considered one of the worst sins back then. Worse than just plundering by itself.
@@WaterShowsProd he did it to save Rome
@@numalesoybea1348 as if Rome could have or even needed to be saved
Hortensia: "NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!"
Mark Antony: "You're a couple millennia too early for that."
and here I thought feminism started in the suffrage movements
American eagle screaming in the background
@@assassain0425
*Roman Eagle Standard screaming in the background
@@georgewu4051
This is a reference to the American call for independence, not feminism.
Back then, rich women enjoyed much better lives than the Middle Class working women that become instrumental to the feminist movement
@Dani Al BASED
"Did you save Cassius?"
"Well, he comitted suicide when he saw us coming..."
Can you imagine lol
@@adamantdane3896 lol probably should've used different colors.
FAAAAAAAIL!!!
@@adamantdane3896 I would have riden into Anthony's camp just to avoid reporting that shit.
Rome: Makes Caesar a God
Tribune Aquila: I do not approve of this
Were they actually attacking those women under Hortensia? LOL!
@Carlos Adrián Aguirre Julius Caesar: Memelord of Antiquity
ok guys tribune aquilla says no so caesar isnt a god amymore
LMAOO
The real joke is that in about 400 years someone else with a name starting with A will not approve of this and he'll actually get his way.
Brutus: "I will be remembered for my virtue."
2000 years later: *The term Brutus is synonymous with betrayal*
I would say his legacy is pretty contestet. While Dante famously put him next to judas and cassius in the deepest part of the hell, voltaire, for example, praised him for standing up against tyranny.
@@insomnius3447 the main positives ive seen from his legacy are from people who are in love with the Roman republic more then people who admire Brutus himself, this video alone show cases how unsavory he was offering to let the legions burn, loot and rape Roman cities with roman civilians and civilians under roman protection isnt really all that great and ideallic
And correct me if I'm getting the facts wrong but his name in Spanish is "bruto" which usually means "stupid"
@@togekiss09 The Brutus family name comes from Lucius Junius Brutus who founded the Roman republic by pretending to be stupid so the tyrant Tarquinius Superbus wouldn't suspect him of being dangerous and kill him, then inciting a revolution at the first good opportunity. The Roman legend was that he carried a walking stick made from a gnarled piece of wood with a gold rod hidden inside.
What a bruh moment right there
The romans apparently were also unable to have more than 20 units in a stack.
Just further proof at the complete historic accuracy of the Total War games.
🤣hahahaha. I remembered that!
Altough in Total War they are half sized cohorts, not even amounting to one legion. I tried a mod with historical unit sizes but my god the fps goes down the drain
@@TheEnergizer94 Rome 1 had accurate Cohort sizes at max unit size. 160 units. Each Century had 80 fighting men, and thus Cohorts were 160.
@@KaguroDraven You mistake that with maniples. 2 centuries = 1 maniple. 6 centuries = 1 cohort
brutus, after allowing his soldiers to sack two Roman cities after they win Philippi: *VIRTUE, GENTLEMEN. I AM VIRTUOUS.*
just goes to show, people are usually blind to themselves
I just don't get why Antony insisted that Brutus had noble intentions even after Philippi. He was alleged to have stabbed Caesar in the groin, after all (revenge for Caesar boning Brutus' mother?). Also, didn't Brutus' father-in-law take up arms against Caesar and then brutally commit suicide when he lost?
I believe that this is largely one of those situations where you have such a strong distain for the people you are fighting against that through your eyes anything done to thwart them is seen as just. Really its just fooling yourself in to believing you're the good guy despite doing things that are just as bad the "bad guy" you want to take down.
ruanpingshan Yes he did. And he decided to side with the guy that executed his father (Pompey) against Ceasar.
At least he died a happy man, it's the only thing one can hope for in life
Brutus: I will be remembered as a virtuous man
Dante: Brutus suffers eternally in Lucifer's gnashing jaws at the absolute deepest point of Hell
To be fair, Dante even puts Ulysses in Hell. There is no winning with that guy.
@@incanusolorin2607 Ulysses is in the "best" part of Hell though. The first layer is devoid of torment and is reserved for virtuous people who lived before the birth of Jesus and thus could not be Christians but since they didn't do anything bad enough to warrant eternal punishment they just kinda chill in the void.
Mahesvara That’s not where Ulysses is. He is tortured by being constantly set on fire with the false counselors.
Ps: I only know the correct names in Italian. I’m sorry if “false counselors” isn’t the right translation of “consiglieri fraudolenti”.
@@incanusolorin2607 Now that I think about it I believe I got Ulysses and Achilles mixed up
I like to think that at least in the modern day people think more fondly of Brutus. Dante was a Roman empire stan, he hated the greeks, hated the catholic church, was a monarchist, and it shows. The guy is an apex of projecting your political opinions into your writing. The other guy who famously wrote about Brutus is Shakespeare. He was also a monarchist but he was far kinder to Brutus. Imagine if an American writer wrote a dramatic story about Rome. I feel they would remember Brutus as Brutus wanted to be remembered.
>Assassinate Julius Caesar to depose a tyrant
>Accidentally make him a god instead
/task failed sucsesfully/
Lorgar be like
1. Assassinate Caesar.
2. ?
3. Profit.
let be honest ransacking city to raise an army is it not the act of a tyrant themself?
@@carval51 At that point Caesar was an enemy of Rome. You can't be a tyrant when you are dealing with an enemy threat in a cruel manner.
"Why would they do such a stupid thing?"
This should be the preface to every history book.
Too true.
...and political science book.......
And just humanity in general
Trial and error. Don't be cynical, be proud of how far we've come.
But don't forget how far we have to go.
...and to the next video in this great series!! :))
Brutus: “Happy Birthday! Here are some horsies!”
Cassius: “Kill me immediately”
a10001110101 this is an amazing community
F
what about some unicorns?
parthian commander to marcus crassus: have some horsies and flying pointy sticks!
crassus: quick, run onto the hill!
What can I say, the guy just really didn't like horses...
I find it amazing that Brutus, prior to committing suicide, thought he would be remembered as a righteous man. Yet, when Dante wrote the Inferno, Brutus and Cassius are the two people in the mouth of Satan along with Judas --- the man who betrayed Christ. Like, you could not be more wrong about how you are remembered.
Fr, esp as octavian is vaguely remebered as the heroic first emperor of Rome
@@julianapattison4785By who?
I consider cassius a hero. Brutus is an incompetent man
Who cares about what Dante thought.
@@zxylo786, he is kind of the creator of our modern conception of Hell, and somewhat contributed to the creation of the modern Italian language. So... a lot of people.
Red Square: I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move
Red Square: gets declared a god*
Make this an actual meme. Like the template make it this communities meme.
You can tell marc antony had served under caesar because he immediately started building fortifications lol.
I was like: holy shit, another building race
Last one was like what? 30Km of walls? Haha
it is the roman wae
@@veljkoangelovski5349 Do you know da wae?
Ceaser first saw how useful Antony was at Alesia, but I do always notice that too. They love some fortifications.
@@TheLouisianan they in the builder class fo sho
I would really like to know more on Sulla's period. He's a bit overshadowed because of Ceasars tims, but I know nothing of this cruel dictator Sulla.
This
From all I've read Sulla wasn't cruel. He murdered political opponents yes, but so did Marius when he killed Sulla's supporters. Marius was a "man of the people" and so doesn't get painted with the same brush as Sulla, despite being just as devious.
@@splatm4n8 It's not the same without the squares
@@federicoarmada8775 true
Dan Carlin’s “Death Throes of The Republic” covers the period before Caesar very well.
"Roman legions being incompetent"
"Caesar turning in his grave so hard he causes earthquakes"
Don't read my username.
Caesar spent YEARS building up his legions' competence. And his commanders' too.
So now I know why Vesuvius erupted
The earthquakes cause choppy waves.
The sailors, terrified at how much larger the waves were than the weather should allow, believe it to be a sign from the gods and throw Brutus's head into the sea.
Don't Read My Profile Picture that was incredibly awesome
I laughed so hard when he said Brutus accidentally flanked Octavian's army. How do you accidentally win a battle xD
When both sides are so poorly led that's basically the only outcome. It is pretty funny
That's Brutus for you.
Happens more often then any general would ever want to admit.
Oh my god, me too
is there a list of accidentally-won battles?
Hortensia's speech is a really great piece of historical literature, I'm glad you read it.
The lord of the squares cometh! Rejoice! Rejoice!
Yes, his work is wonderful to behold, but it's not quite as good without the jaunty monophonic synth tune at the end. :-(
Hazaaah hazaaah!!!!!
Gaudete!
*Rejoicing sounds*
Dave Sisson do you know what that bit is called? Really like it
These videos are some of the best content on the internet and they are literally just a man talking about a bunch of squares.
But they are all different colors and are so cute
shit you are right
Nice!
Kings and Generals didn't expect to see you here.
@@juliuscaesar8925 why not? Historia Civilis is OG.
@@KingsandGenerals A collab with Historia Civilis would be epic!
Antoine Vl hell yea
No u
ALL RIGHT BOYS CLEAR YOUR SCHEDULES HISTORIA CIVILIS JUST CAME OUT WITH ANOTHER BANGER !!!
I'm not sure what this means but that doesn't mean I don't want to be involved
Good thing I don’t have to drive right now. Productivity have been shot to zero.
Legend says that History Civilis is waiting for Senator Aquila's approval to upload the next video
Massively underrated comment 😂😂
@@Rocklahaulle only the real ones respect this comment lol
@@brianreinboldjr real real ones know it’s actually Tribune Aquila
@@danielblanken4523 he is still a senator
@@nostro1940
Well, Aquila is certainly not *a CONSUL OF ROME!*
On a previous episode of Historia Civilis: "...Brutis's first instinct seems to always be to wait, which is an alarming trait for a leader."
Current episode:
"I CHOOSE TO WAIT"
I'm willing to wait for it~
>:)
@ShoeUnited Brutus's*
Shocking!
Good lord, it's like all the intelligence in Rome died with Caesar and Cicero
Like kids in a sandbox
Vito C because it did until Octavian grew a pair
Tbf it kinda did. LOTS of people died before this happened
@Lovecraft this is honestly a good question. We need a roman historian in the chat to help us out
When one of Sulla's supporters that became a reformer (Crassus) died and Caesar's Daughter died - Some intelligence died (End of first triumvirate)
When Another one of Sulla's supporters that became a reformer that went back to the Optimates (Pompey) died, so did some more
When Pompey's 4th father in law (Caesar died) - Almost all the intelligence in Rome died
When Caesar's mistress's brother's brother in law's brother (Cicero) died- No longer was their any intelligence in Rome
19:18 "The second battle of Philippi...so called because it was the second battle that took place near the area known as Philippi" you can tell this man is a real competent historian.
I'm a simple pleb. I see Historia Civilis. I click Ave.
DCdabest Nah, you're not a pleb. Everyone that watches Historia Civilis are patricians.
Jotarô Kujo every man a patrician
@@uri_9158. I like the way you think.
@@EthanDyTioco Hueyus Longinus
Phillippi: A battle where Antony is miraculously the highest stat general
Horrifying
They are sorely missing good generals, or at least not appointing those that deserve it. Who still alive would have been better? Caesar, Labienus, Pompey (both opposite side I know) were gone and for some reason Lepidus was left in Italy.
Antony wasn't that bad tho right? I heard some flaws but Caesar seemed to mostly approve of him and he did well on a ~micro level in Alesia.
@@Paddythelaad I imagine Lepidus was left behind because he was the most competent administrator of the three. Antony demonstrated his political incompetence when Caesar left him in charge of Rome, and a good portion of the city still hated him for it. Octavian was young and an unknown quantity at that point. The Triumvirs might have thought the morale boost the troops would get for being lead by "The Son of Caesar" would be better than any administrative skills Octavian possessed.
Edited because somehow I wrote Labienus instead of Lepidus the first time.
@@VAWM. That was my thinking too. Lepidus left behind, I assume you meant that. Im mostly surprised the sub-commanders didn't do better on both sides.
@@VAWM. Anthony and Octavian bitterly mistrusted each other, but they both trusted Lepidus to honour the triumvirate agreement. The chaotic game-of-thrones from the last episode could resume at any moment if one of them had an army under his individual control and decided to backstab his rival. Leading an army jointly together was their way of preventing that.
Little cubes should not display so much emotion but here we are. Amazing how clear the story is with a few colors, very well done. The binge has been real with this channel and I've loved every minute of it.
The irony is Brutus probably ended up killing himself with the same hand he used to murder Julius Caesar.
Funny how everybody but Octavian was stabbed to death.
@off baperan Octavian was the Imperator.
I think he fell on his sword
@@MillenniumRP Dude spoilers
@Garren *Augustus:*
"Octavian? Who?"
“We got you a present for your birthday, death!”
“Oh you guys.”
Just what I asked for!
"You shouldn’t have! No really, I wanted live through this."
No better present for traitors =)
@@Mitaka.Kotsuka that's like saying the Jedi were traitors.
@@BlitzerXYZ errr.... kinda dont like star wars, so i kind of sont know what the Jedi actually are, i heard the name but, nothing else
Antony: "I have actually been in a battle before".
Cassius: "I know several dudes who have been in a battle before."
Brutus: *hurriedly leafing through Battles 101* "Okay thin line good thick line bad LETS GO GUYS."
Octavian: "I have a note from my father excusing me from the battle."
Also, Brutus not coming to help when it would be most useful is pretty much the whole vibe of the Republican Resistance.
I'm digging that "Slightly More Historically Accurate Senate Building Glam Up" 👉😊👉
Jesse H. Same
After cutting to the Senate for the 10,000th time, I figured that "Lazy Senate Background" finally had to go.
Historia Civilis I shall miss the old senate house, but I guess it’s for the best.
@@HistoriaCivilis technically we can say it's after renovation post burning down
@@HistoriaCivilis I like the old one more, but it's for the best.
Imagine the damage they could do if julius caesar and labienus had 19 legions to control
Ha ha! Yes - imagine
They could’ve conquered all of Europe, especially if they had veteran legions.
The real question is how long that territory will last, because we all know what happens when an empire overextends itself by a long shot. Nothing ends well. I also think that it would be kind of pointless to extend so, so far. There would be too many places that would be a deadweight to Rome. Augustus’ policy of keeping Rome’s borders as is and not extending further was, I think, the right call. Trajan would expand the empire further during his reign as emperor, but Mesopotamia especially was a burden on Rome that it couldn’t bear, which is the main reason why Hadrian left and reverted back to Augustus’ policy. Sure, it would be cool to conquer Europe and maybe even Arabia and the Parthians, but it wouldn’t be all that good for the Romans in the long run.
God, I miss competent generals
yeh they would split the mountain in half
or maybe they could have but did not want to, because it is really hard to sustain/manage (as shown by the above)?
Caesar has proved time and time again that a small experienced force can easily defeat a large army.From there, it seems wiser to keep a relatively small force.
Brutus and Cassius were holding out for that sweet book deal: “How to lose completely while having both the strategic and tactical advantage 101.”
I was expecting the Octavian square to have little green squares coming out of him as her moved side to side on the ship.
Wouldn't that mean he's vomiting people though?
Vomiting Gauls probably they are normally green.
@@derekp2236 or did he eat Cicero
@@derekp2236 I laughed far too hard at this mental image.
@@yochaiwyss3843 Haw Haw Haw
Caesar was playing 4D chess with his enemies. I don't know what these guys were doing, but I'm pretty sure someone ate the rulebook.
MrSamulai they tried to win on a Draw 4 in Uno.
"Numbers! Sheer numbers!"
"Hey let's tax HALF of all from yield what could go wrong"
Farm* not from
@@doomdrake123 I mean, i hate that guy, but he was definitely a great strategist. Though he did get Lucky many times.
All I could think about during the battle was how much Caesar would've wiped the floor with them. It probably would have been one of his most celebrated victories too, beating 17 legions with probably hardly any casualties.
let's be honest all those legions would've defected to caesar before any actual blows
@@alejomandafull
they wouldnt defect because they’d already be on caesar’s side
the battle would cease to exist because no competition would occur
@@hihi-nm3uy yeah we can see that
we're talking about a what if
if caesar had to face an army that big
Caesar could have brought just his 9 legions against their 17 just to make it somewhat fair.
@@Saurophaganax1931
"Sir they outnumber us 2 to 1!"
"Then it's a fair fight."
Brutus: I will die a honorable man.
Also Brutus: Ayyy men, wanna sack some Roman cities???
And yes, Brutus is an honourable man
@@rogerpark3684 Undoubtedly they are all honorable men
@Domantas *Killed his adoptive father to save the Republic
@@theholyinquisition389 *Murdered his adoptive father - who truly, deeply, sincerely loved him - out of ideological loyalty to a rotting carcass that was already dead and gone.
He is remembered as a staple of treachery. He went down in history as one of the most infamous people in Rome
Brutus: I will be remembered as a virtuous man
*Becomes the most famous traitor in world's history *
@SrBeetleVase brutus already meant idiot or dullard in those days, the romans had funny naming conventions Fabius came from their word for bean, Cicero from peas, Ahala means armpit, and so on; funny that the word bruto has been used in the same way for over 3000 years.
I mean I don't think he was an infamous as Judas.
Silverdeathgamer290 the most famous historical person anyway. Myths are a whole different topic.
Fox D except it’s not true. Puny comes from 16th century French “puisne” which in turn comes from late Latin “postea ne” “afterwards born” which was a legal category denoting inferior rank. It has nothing to do with the Punic Wars. Punic derives from the Latin poenus and punicus, which were used mostly to refer to the Carthaginians and other western Phoenicians. These terms derived from the Ancient Greek word Φοῖνιξ (Phoinix), pl. Φοίνικες (Phoinikes), which was used indiscriminately to refer to both western and eastern Phoenicians. Latin later borrowed the Greek term a second time as phoenix.
Et tu, Brute?
15:44
When this series wants to be eerie, it can be surprisingly eerie.
*Happy birthday.*
You know, the way you talk about Labienus, I'm getting the impression that "Caesar's right hand man" might have just been his first name.
Servum Caesaris Labienus!
Wish it was my first name
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 not gonna lie, that's beautiful. The Labienus-square might disagree
@@carolinef1508 :)
Brutus: I will be remembered for my Virtue.
Dante: I was looking for someone to cast into Satan's three jaws next to Judas and Casius.
I mean - Brutus was a horrible person
Yeah, the guy that literally promised the ability to sack ROMAN cities to his legions.
Plutarch, in his "Life of Brutus" from Parallel Lives, mentions that Brutus' enemies respected him, recounting that Antony once said that "Brutus was the only man to have slain Caesar because he was driven by the splendour and nobility of the deed
Ceaser in his grave must've been like: Why the f*ck am I going through another stroke, I'm already dead
I miss the old beat at the end
sameeee ;-;
These dumb generals dont deserve the beats lmao
We needs the beats.
I miss the Caesar square😪
I miss Cicero butting in.
The battle of the four idiots:
Octavian and Cassius: normally not idiots but act like idiots during this battle
Mark Anthony: normally an idiot but doesn't act like an idiot during this battle
Brutus: normally an idiot, an idiot here as well
lool
I was gonna say if Antony is the highest stat general in this fight then Roma really has lost all their stars
@@georgewu4051 Octavian basically let his friend and ally Agrippa do the actual command of his legions. When you don't know what you're doing, let the professional do the job and get out of their way. At least he know his limitation and sought proper assistance.
This comment is stupid
Anthony: good tactics, mediocre strategy
If Historia Civilis doesn't release another video soon, I'm going to Brutus myself
he released a video on patrion. doubt he wouldn't
Please, don't... Brutulise yourself. xD
*spoilers 21:15 "It's hard to imagine how they could screw this up, unless they turned on each other or something, but why would they do a stupid thing like that!"
*Cleopatra has entered the chat
**Re-entered :)
*Cleopatra has been entered
@@chaptap8376 Based
@@chaptap8376 hehehe
@@chaptap8376 nice
“The concept of economics had not been invented yet, and... it shows” lol
Politicians still try to squeeze the tax base to fund their pet schemes and are still surprised when it gets up and walks away. See California.
@Ved Singh pre feudal rome was better than feudal Europe 😈😈😈😈
@Ved Singh HAHAHAH bald
@Ved Singh you are bald
@Ved Singh LOL HOLY SHIT HE REALLY IS BALD 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly, the part where brutus and friends went up the mountains and just went on a four day of simply "living" and having fun made me smile... I mean, after so much turmoil, stress, death, war and loss, what better thing to do than have a 4 days bender of drinking and reciting greek poetry with your buddies?
Yeah but the whole time brutus knew he was gonna off himself
Thats crazy
@@dam11232 and that's what makes it even more poetic
Victory. Victory is better.
@@Ozymannaz idk man, just more turmoil and political schemes to deal with...
@@yiftacheliav1099I mean, Octavian won so much that nobody else was there to plot against him tbf.
"The concept of economics hadn't been invented yet, and it shows" lmao
Literally not stonks
Roman tax collection was poopoo
@@alphamikeomega5728 No stonks? Why live ;_;
@@pez4 Augustus will fix that ;)
@@pez4 didn't they basically subcontract it to the guy who they thought would get them the most $? Or was that another ancient society's incredibly stupid way of doing things?
Brutus: I will be remembered for my virtue.
Historian: We are not questioning your virtue Brutus. We are denying it’s existence.
@@caiawlodarski5339 That's really not true. Historians usually try not to "moralize" but they very often do make value judgments of the choices of those they study.
The work of history is a work of storytelling after all. An attempt to piece together events separated from us by time and space into a coherent, explitive narrative to create an understanding of the past using the barest scraps of info. This story is not a simple morality fable, so we don't see historians usually crafting "good guys and bad guys" but judgments of what choices were made always happen. It's the way of things.
But... Shakespeare
I mean, I'm willing to bet that more people are aware of Brutus in Julius Caesar than Brutus in real life.
Ah cut him some slack, he's better than Marc Antony.
I don't think he'd care to have his virtue questioned by an imp.
@@FlaviusCJulianus Finally someone understood that reference!
I rewatch the whole series that Historia Civilis does from Cicero’s year until this moment every couple of months and every time I get depressed that there isn’t more... looking forward to the next episode
3:17 amazing how they all live on one street, the drama must be beyond this world.
Caesar vs Pompey:
Full mankind's military brilliancy from both sides
Brutus vs Octavian:
Two kids, trying to slap each other, trying to look like their elders from the first part of my comment, only slaping themselves instead
Денис Баннов 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
It's what can you expect from statesmen.
Caesar and Pompey were generals.
Caesar and Pompey, especially Caesar, were both
@@UncleMerlin Antony was anything but a statesman
Hell, Caesar vs Vercingetorix
Why is my adopted son such a wimp when it comes to fighting? I doubt he’ll ever come to anything.
Boy do I have a story to tell you - But first - Was the time travel fun?
Technically you never knew he was adopted as it happened after your death
Should've adopted an heir that wasn't such a wimp.
IMPERATORRR
@@DanishCamp Presumably he knew Octavian was his son when he was getting assassinated, since he had written in his will and probably knew he was going to die
Normal person on their birthday: ''Yay! Also: cake''
Historia Civilis watcher on their birthday: ''battle or murder? I hoped I would get a nicer pick of presents''
Cassius on his birthday: 😵
lol, all of Caesar's battles have been like:
* brilliant tactics, strategy, and maneuver coupled with bold construction projects *
meanwhile, we got the kids fighting here like:
* the incompetence happened to work in his favor *
* fortifications and camps all over the place for some reason *
Not all
Caesar, known for his sonic like speed, went across the water too early, losing many many triemes and troops needlessly.
One of his very few tactical mistakes few know.
He bossed mutinous legions though ie his favoured 10th
Hey! Dude, your videos are incredible. I had to finally give in to my conscience and pledge a little on Patreon for all the incredible content you've posted over the last few years. Can't wait for the next one, as always.
Civis: the battle was a draw
Caesar in heaven: unacceptable! UNACCEPTABLE!
Caesar ain't in heaven if there is one
@@ourowndevices5907 Why not?
Majestic BreadDX not a religious man myself but im game, so lets start with the entirety of western Europe..
@@ToughCheese I'm fairly sure that no matter what god that you prey to if you commit genocide you are automatically banished from heaven. Caesar is in the same afterlife club as Hitler and King Leopold II.
he's in Elysium, with all of the other great Romans up through Majorian.
All this incompetence makes me miss the good old days of Caesar vs Labienus or Pompey.
You can really see the difference in discipline, Caesar's Legions would have attacked Antony instead of looting the camp.
Caesar might've been a tyrant or dictator, but boy was he a good one.
@@Darin882 It brings into perspective why Caesar initially kept those fresh legions in reserve. Pulling shit like this would have been unacceptable in this kind of engagement. Imagine if a legion fucked up like this at Alesia.
@@synktrain truly. The only reason this battle was an actual competition was because everyone was on the same level of incompetence.
And watching that made me miss the simpler days of Caesar vs Vercengetorix
Here's the battle summarized in 3 words :
"Wow, that...worked..?"
In all fairness to Octavian, dude knew he wasn't exactly a top-tier commander. Lucky for him he did have Agrippa.
Their future successors came in the form of Justinian and Belisarius. Top 10 historical bromances indeed.
So, Agrippa allowed himself to be outflanked, saw his entire army routed? Perhaps Agrippa was falsely lauded for his martial skills? I know of no strategem or tactical innovation attributed to him. Pompey's son was strangling Rome and Agrippa never got the better of him. I think Agrippa benefitted from being a survivor and being on the side that eventually won.
@@thomashazlewood4658 Agrippa only became Octavian's main general after the death of Salvidienus Rufus, at the time this battle takes place he still had not obtained that position and he was the one that eventually expelled Sextus Pompeius from Sicily, his whole career is one of competence and success, not sure if that alone is enough to put him among the great generals of history but I think he is comfortably the best roman general of his generation alongside maybe Ventidius Bassus.
@@Sealdeam Thanks for your views, Sealdeam. However, it is my understanding that Sextus' fleets strangled Rome's grain supplies, to the frustration of Augustus. Augustus built two large fleets to fight him and both were lost, while the grain embargo continued. Finally, Sextus was lured into a political agreement which resolved the embargo. He was not defeated militarily, he was seduced into defeat by clever politics.
@@thomashazlewood4658 it is true that Octavian failed to defeat Sextus and that eventually a treaty was signed between him and the Triumvirs but that peace was broken and the eventual fall of Sextus was due a successful military campaign led by Agrippa, it is more than likely that Octavian's own failures against Sextus were the main factor that lead to his decision to fully delegate military affairs to more capable members of his faction namely Agrippa and Statilius Taurus; but the cause of the start of hostilities between them was due the defection of one of Sextus' generals so intrigue also played a part in that conflict.
I'm a simple man. I see a historia civilis video I watch it.
Yes
Please don't ever stop. These videos are absolutely amazing. Thank you for bringing these to us for free!
Does everybody here still miss Labienus or am I just weird? I was somewhat happy to hear his name in this video.
Good night my sweet prince...
Poor Labienus... I miss him too.
I really miss Labienus-square😪😍
All the people I mess
1. Crassus (Died 53 BC, marking the end of the Triumvirate) - While many see him as a politician with no military talent - But like, he won so many before Carrhae
2. Labienus (Died 45 BC, marking the end of the Civil war)
3. Caesar (Died 44 BC, marking the end of the Republic)
4. Cicero (Died 43 BC, marking the end of all remaining chances of restoring the republic)
When was Rome founded? 753 BC
When was Rome lost? 753 AD
When was the Roman empire destroyed? 474 AD
When was the Roman empire Destroyed? 1456 AD
When was the Roman empire destroyed? When brutes killed the man in charge
When was the Roman kingdom destroyed? When Brutus killed the man in charge
When was the Roman republic destroyed? When Brutus killed the man in charge
When did Brutus kill the man in charge? in 509 BC
When did Brutus kill the man in charge? In 44 BC
When did brutes kill the man in charge? In 1453 AD
Who was the first Roman ruler? Romulus
Who was the first Roman emperor? Augustus
Who was the last Emperor/Ruler? Romulus Augustulus
Who was the last Roman Emperor/ruler? Constantine Augustus
I feel like more than one girl watches this channel and I think it's pretty cool
@@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 no the guy in charge of the roman kingdom was banished not killed
I think it's pretty likely that Octavian or, (spoilers) Augustus, simply became so stressed that he fell ill often during turning points in his life. You can look at his later years, when he faced no significant political opposition or immediate threats to his life, and this trend continued. There were also moments where Augustus did personally risk his life in battle or against angry mobs and he did not fall ill. I think the pattern more likely indicates severe stress from time to time facing important challenges, particularly military command, rather than a go-to lie on his part to get out of trouble.
Same thing with Saladin.
There is no way to know which it is. And unless he had high fever and was constantly throwing up he could have sit on a horse near battle and look inspiring from a distance while others did the commanding. Instead going into the marshes.
Also Augustus later in the tendency of not going near the battle in the first place, but sending Agrippa, his stepsons, grandsons and any other loyal legate he could find. So maybe he he understood that he would get stressed news battles, but regardless he really was the one who broke Roman tradition of the imperator actually needing to command.
We're anxiously awaiting your newest installment to this one, HC! Bring it on!
That is, the next in this series.
After all the ingenuity that Julius Caesar pulled off, this is one of the funniest battles on this channel. It beats the heavy infantry who kept marching out of the battle.
Love your videos. Really wandering why they are becoming rare lately. Hope you don't give up on us. Salutations from Brazil!
You realize how good of a general Caesar is when you have a battle with 4 generals and all of them are bad.
@CommandoDude Caesar was a genius of a general, but you got admit that dude was super lucky at times.
@@MillenniumRP Caesar definitely had some lucky moments, but it takes skill to seize those opportunities
Antony was actually an excellent cavalry commander with battle experience
@@titusmanlius6922yeah and that was before the gaulic wars to I beleive, and he prolly wouldve learnt a lot under ceaser
Caeser's era had a lot of great generals and military commanders. Caeser, Pompey, Vercingeterix......
this was impresive levels of inconpetance
*impressive *incompetence (irony or just not native to english?)
I've always felt that accidents and incompetence makes for most interesting history, especially when people screwing up are given a victory they also screw up.
Tigersharkwoo you got pinned gg
[Sheev.jpg] Ironic. [/Sheev.jpg]
why is this comment pinned? Is he doing a social experiment or something, lol?
I just wanted to say that this is the best history channel on RUclips. After finding this video I’ve watched every single video at least twice. Also I wrote an essay for my Western Civilization class on the assassination of Julius Caesar. Thank you for the amazing content ❤️
Man, I was so disappointed that the usual ending music didn't play at the end of the video. Fantastic video as per usual, I just miss the old outro music. It suits your channel and videos so well!
So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous incompetency
Just Vienna this is a great quote lmfao
It really hurts after seeing Caesars career
What democracy?
Domanta Spot the 12 year old
*attempts to clap and misses each hand*
Your channel is so precious, I actually watch the ads on your video in appreciation. And I hate ads.
I actually feel a little bad for Octavian in this situation. The guy was not a brilliant general like Caesar was, his brilliance was in politics and administration. The thing is Octavian knew he was no good at this but because of Roman society had to pretend to be a soldier. Letting the actual soldiers do their thing and staying out of their way was the smart thing to do, especially when considering how Brutus ended up when he tried to play soldier.
"The graves are full with middling swordsmen, better not be swordman at all than to be a middling swordman"
-Octavian
And then he got called loser by his team, but it’s fine, everyone liked Augustus I guess
how is brutus "trying to play" soldier? he was literally forced into being a soldier in this situation
@@protonjones54 Brutus loses my sympathy because he brought this on himself. He assassinates Caesar after he was pardoned by him and then just expects to be rewarded and cheered for his actions. He totally botches the post-assassination situation by always making the wrong choice. He was clearly no leader and always seemed to go for the choice that required the least amount of effort from himself. He was a spoiled rich kid who cruised through life and the only reason he was brought in on the conspiracy was because of his family name. Brutus seemed to think he was greater then he actually was while Octavian always seemed to have a clear view of what his own strengths and weaknesses were.
@@Wilahelm2 Coz Brutus is Kenobi of that story. All down for the Republic. Not all of them can be Vader.
The man, the myth, the legend came back with an upload.
Honestly, I am addicted to watching Historia Civilis. You, sir, have gained a loyal patron!
I will never not be excited when I get a notification for one of your videos.
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So I am writing a paper for university about how Octavian dealt with the Conspirators after he came to power with his first consuleahip which of course will include a lengthy passage on the battles of philippi. These videos have helped me out a bunch more then somenof the really dry and boringly written books on the time. So really thanks for that.
Also: The account of Plutarch on the battle in his biography of Brutus and Appians account are both really worth a read. The battles are vividly described in these passages.
I just rewatched the entire series before going to sleep and dreamed about a new video, this is literally a dream come true
I watched the Zela, Ruspina, Thapsus video before bed last night :D had a feeling another one was coming
There goes my morning productivity
It's Night for me
@@juliuscaesar8925 one would have thought that you lived in Italy though
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Get likes so I can too
Yoo same here
This series is absolutely enthralling. Some of the best content I’ve ever seen on RUclips. Can’t wait to see what happened next ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I saw this on his Patreon and have been dying to see it on RUclips. The day has finally arrived!
Did you get to watch the whole episode there or just the preview?
Rex Galilae, just the preview, sadly
@@endlesshalcyon
Ah, cool! Still something 🤷♂️
@@endlesshalcyon I saw the whole episode from the Vimeo link shared on Patreon
Ceasar must have rolled in his grave when he saw that battle.
"WHERE THE HELL IS BUILDING A FORTIFICATION ! I DID IT EVERYTIME YOU PLEBS"
you can see that marc antony worked under ceasar, as he immediately started building a fence in the march
@@Lucas-po6mn He also moved right up to breathing distance of Cassius, another of Caesar's tricks.
@@napoleoncomplex2712All of his moves ended up being half baked though. The fence idea didn't go far enough and the redeploying accidentally ended up with a huge battle.
He tried.
@@Supernoxus Fair points. Bear in mind that he was dealing with rookie legions on a much larger scale than usual. He didn't have Caesar's veterans who could turn on a dime.
@@napoleoncomplex2712 Caesar's veterans did not become veterans instantly.
Amazing episode. This and Caesar’s assassination are your two masterpieces
Wealthy Roman citizens: "Why should we pay taxes when we don't have full political rights?"
Poor provincials who have no political rights and whose homes and families have been looted to pay for the Roman state: "Are we a joke to you?"
Also, Brutus, you might be right about Marc Antony, but Octavian? He's uh... he's going to be remembered for something else.
If only there was a Carolus Marxius there, inspiring them to seize the means of latifundium.
Timothy McLean Hahahaha Carolus Maximus
@@incanusolorin2607 Marxius.
Turns out, there aren't any genuine Roman names that sound much like "Karl" _or_ "Marx". ("Carolus" is the _medieval_ Latin form of "Charles," and Marxius is Marius with an 'x'.)
Timothy McLean Wow I though you had just “latinized” Marx’s name. I’m impressed.
@@incanusolorin2607 To be fair, I didn't _not_ do that.
Sheesh, if only the triumvirs had some fantastic orator or statesman to erode the support of the assassins... isn't that right, Anthony?
that same orator supported those assassins, hands go chop chop
@@peach5438 He is talking about how backwards and politically disadvantageous the assassination of Orecic was.
@@peach5438
I think the spelt cicero backwards, which is ironic since Cicero was already backwards in his own days, trying to fight for the stagnant republic of oligarchs.
@@jimmehjimmson8876 Lol clever
Why would Antony let Cicero, the one who supported the assasins, rejoiced at Caesar's death and publicly criticized the Caesarians live?
As a massive history geek lemme just say props to you for making a lot of normal human beings who are not nearly as autistic as us interested in roman politics and moving squares
by far my favorite history channel on youtube, and there are plenty that I love. The videos are so incredibly enjoyable that I often watch them multiple times to get everything I can out of them. Thanks for another great one!
"Lol this Octavian guy sure seems like a loser! There is no way he will become like an emperor or something" .......
*cough*
Huge loser. Would never have a month named after him or something
Probably will be written out in the next episode. A bit of a throwaway character to act as a foil to Antony in this battle, I suspect.
I eagerly await the episode when Purple Square starts acting more like Red square used to in past episodes.
I wonder if Romans living in that period felt like modern day people do about 2020, like did they also adopt a "well this might as well fucking happen" attitude? Like they have just settled in for Caesar being the dictator for life after a civil war, then he gets assassinated and there is another even bigger civil war, then the victors of that civil war turn on each other and out of it all comes the adopted kid who hated war on top and becomes the "Imperator" establishing a concept (emperor) that literally didn't even exist yet at this point but would end up becoming fundamental for the next almost 2000 years of history in the region.
@@SerunaXI me love red square. purple square puny