The Battle of Carrhae (53 B.C.E.)

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  • @danieljoaquinsegoviacorona1734
    @danieljoaquinsegoviacorona1734 7 лет назад +6262

    In Spanish "Craso error" means fatal error, and is because Crassus made the mortal mistake of rejecting Armenian's help.

    • @allenshen4902
      @allenshen4902 7 лет назад +199

      parthian calvary doesnt do well in mountains, they can easily avoid being surrounded by horse archers

    • @danieljoaquinsegoviacorona1734
      @danieljoaquinsegoviacorona1734 7 лет назад +347

      Truth is he made way too many mistakes, hard to know which is the one that got him the title, but for sure another 43,000 corpses in the desert wouldn't look so good either.

    • @lorisuprifranz
      @lorisuprifranz 7 лет назад +230

      In latin Crassus means simply "big/fat". I am not Spanish, but I personally don't think a "big error" is an expression only related to Crassus.

    • @martinconway8174
      @martinconway8174 7 лет назад +78

      You might be right Lorenzo, but even if its false the coincidence is more fun

    • @lindgrenland
      @lindgrenland 6 лет назад +330

      I made a craso error when I binge watched this entire channel in one day and then realised I would have to wait for the next episode like all the other plebs

  • @lucrayon4182
    @lucrayon4182 7 лет назад +4232

    Alternative Title: Absolutely Not His Year - Crassus (53 B.C.E.)

  • @miridian2012
    @miridian2012 7 лет назад +3582

    " Nah " ~ Crassus 53 B.C.E

    • @misaelramirez5236
      @misaelramirez5236 7 лет назад +43

      miridian2012 I think he should do a collab with extra history or alternate history hub

    • @rd-6137
      @rd-6137 7 лет назад +3

      +Misael Ramirez it would be awesome

    • @htf5555
      @htf5555 7 лет назад +77

      "Cheeky." - Gaius Julius Caesar on Ariovistus, 58 B.C.

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 7 лет назад +1

      Are you fucking serious ahahahaha? We kicked your fucking ass. Persians FTW!

    • @as7river
      @as7river 6 лет назад +7

      "Moo" -Macedonian Provision Charriots, 326 BC

  • @suddi218
    @suddi218 5 лет назад +2404

    "...but another tribune stepped forward and vetoed his veto."
    I'm just imagining him running up and flaunting an Uno reverse card.

    • @mini2239
      @mini2239 4 года назад +48

      One has to wonder how different the Roman system would have been if they didn't have vetos. Whether for senators, consuls or Tribunes

    • @waltervanbrunchem2462
      @waltervanbrunchem2462 4 года назад +71

      Could the other tribune have vetoed the veto that vetoed his veto?

    • @Bigbadbo121
      @Bigbadbo121 4 года назад +22

      @@mini2239 I wonder if, after declaring a veto, putting the legitimacy of that veto to a vote of the Roman people would've helped?

    • @mini2239
      @mini2239 4 года назад +12

      @@Bigbadbo121 With how many vetoes were being declared I don't think it would have been practical. Ultimately too many people had the power of the veto

    • @Bigbadbo121
      @Bigbadbo121 4 года назад +2

      @@mini2239 Limit one veto per bill? As in; a bill can only ever get vetoed once, and then it gets sent out for the legitimizing popular vote?

  • @ano1nymus1
    @ano1nymus1 5 лет назад +2025

    Pretty sure the reason Crassus lost was a severe lack of building fortified encampments.
    Also not enough village burning.

    • @GAnonymusG
      @GAnonymusG 4 года назад +21

      not really even with fortifications they'd be sieged in a hostile land. Village burning would be good if they got to them though.

    • @50shekels
      @50shekels 4 года назад +103

      No it was more about Crassus being too far away from any secure walls. They are horse archers. Put archers on the walls and watch them crumble. Also he should have retreated much sooner. Not waited an entire day just being hammered on

    • @NguniPrince
      @NguniPrince 4 года назад +84

      Guys Ano is being sarcastic

    • @GAnonymusG
      @GAnonymusG 4 года назад +6

      @@NguniPrince Not really the number 1 tactic the Romans had were building fortifications. The horse archers gotta eat too, so if you burned all their fields and camped hard enough you could get them to the negotiating table as a vassal. Of course the Romans weren't tanky enough.

    • @NguniPrince
      @NguniPrince 4 года назад +65

      GAnonymusG I know bro. But Ano1nymous is playing on how Caesar always did that in previous battles and was successful. Just as how Caesar would always frame his aggression as defensive. Well I thought that was the joke.

  • @bob8mybobbob
    @bob8mybobbob 5 лет назад +4659

    "He ordered the Romans to march off into the desert...at a breakneck pace". Good plan. If he had survived maybe later he could try and invade Russia in the winter.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 5 лет назад +348

      Fun fact: Charles XII, Napoleon and Hitler never actually invaded Russia in winter. They invaded in summer and winter came long before Russia ever surrendered.

    • @Hugh_Morris
      @Hugh_Morris 5 лет назад +76

      Carolus Rex supposedly had the Russians suing for peace but he refused, saying he’d only grant peace after he’d utterly annihilated his enemies. He led his army on a death march. Why did Napoleon and Hitler not learn from this example?

    • @aneesh2115
      @aneesh2115 5 лет назад +73

      @@Hugh_Morris rex had the Russians asking for peace. But it was a peace where the Russians would gain some land (Saintperersburg). Peter (the great) knew that he had won, and wanted peace. But rex thought he could get a better deal if he invaded. Much like hitler

    • @proaaron578
      @proaaron578 4 года назад +62

      Fun fact: more of Napoleon's soldiers died in the summer than in winter.

    • @bradlygamez4549
      @bradlygamez4549 4 года назад +2

      Pro Aaron yea in the winter the metal holding their clothes together fell apart from the cold

  • @charlesferdinand422
    @charlesferdinand422 5 лет назад +2473

    Fun facts:
    -The Gallic cavalry contingent under the command of Publius was extremely loyal to him and would die defending his dead body.
    -One of the legates who took over after Crassus became inconsolable was Cassius, he led a legion to safety back to Syria were he mounted a defense of the province, repulsing Parthian attacks; he became a senator and he and Brutus were leaders of the conspiracy to murder Caesar; both died in the battle of Philippi against Octavian and Marc Antony.

    • @kluasvt828
      @kluasvt828 4 года назад +117

      The second fact is really interresting. Thanks!

    • @bastian_5975
      @bastian_5975 4 года назад +79

      Don't forget the TRUE biggest backstabber: Decimus

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 4 года назад +27

      They were still soundly and spectacularly defeated by the Parthians, both Publius and Antony. "Repulsed" lol.

    • @alexandrejosedacostaneto381
      @alexandrejosedacostaneto381 4 года назад +98

      @@saeedvazirian No they were not. The Romans crushed the Parthian army several times after Carhae, which is why the Parthians never managed to seriously threaten the Roman East. Only the Sassanids did, and even they never managed to decisively defeat the Romans.

    • @ICaligvla
      @ICaligvla 4 года назад +6

      @I am Spartacus! Well in the Battle of Alesia he did prove himself to be a competent and valuable leader. It was for his actions at the Battle of Alesia that got him where he was.

  • @alexanderorlov-holmes6120
    @alexanderorlov-holmes6120 7 лет назад +3818

    "46,000 Armenians is a lot of Armenians"
    Historia Civilis dropping the truth bombs as usual

    • @asswizardofsiberia520
      @asswizardofsiberia520 6 лет назад +215

      Forty six thousand Armenians is too many Armenians, according to the Turks.

    • @casualsatanist
      @casualsatanist 6 лет назад +17

      Vardan Simonyan eh my friend the Armenian genocide was not part of the holocaust but it was from the predominantly Muslim Ottoman Empire against their Christian subjects. Still terrible, but you gotta get your facts straight kiddo

    • @tdkage
      @tdkage 6 лет назад +11

      Not for the turks, obviously

    • @Tirajis
      @Tirajis 6 лет назад +4

      Well Iran lost 6times as many people during WW1 though

    • @supremelordoftheauspicious2928
      @supremelordoftheauspicious2928 6 лет назад +1

      Karen Kalantari
      Manzooresh ghahtie jange jahanie ke britianiyayi ha be vojood ovordan.

  • @TheSecondVersion
    @TheSecondVersion 7 лет назад +2613

    Hannibal at Cannae: Haha, I have tricked the Romans into letting me surround them!
    Parthian General: Are.... are the Romans *letting* us surround them?
    Vercingetorix: Caesar has us surrounded! But our allies have surrounded *him!* Wait, what is he.... No, there's no way he's that crazy

    • @TheHalo2fan
      @TheHalo2fan 6 лет назад +14

      @Axis Anonymous who?

    • @-caesarian-6078
      @-caesarian-6078 6 лет назад +17

      Axis Anonymous / sounds like some Gaullic legend

    • @TheKripox
      @TheKripox 5 лет назад +150

      @wolfstudio Surena the unfortunate more like it. His victory was pretty impressive despite Crassus's utter incompetence, but it didn't really amount to much. The Roman advance was halted, but Parthia gained nothing from the war and Surena himself was executed by his king later that same year. Then a couple of wars a little over a decade later just led to more draws and little territorial change.

    • @admontblanc
      @admontblanc 5 лет назад +26

      @@TheKripox in the end Parthia subsisted either as a tributary or allied kingdom, alternating the roles according to the power and sway Rome had in the moment.

    • @hollandmeester347
      @hollandmeester347 5 лет назад +19

      Hitler: ""Let we declare war to both Russia and America. No way they will surround us""

  • @Lazyguy22
    @Lazyguy22 3 года назад +371

    17:30 that Parthian general clearly had an entire humiliation itinerary lined up for Crassus, but then the guy went and died and now he had to find some other way to get it done.

    • @calvinware7957
      @calvinware7957 2 года назад +76

      I'm imagining the cost of this in terms of like money or wealth and the general just being like "okay I paid a lot for all this so one of you baby killers is doing this shit. You. You're crassus."

    • @PoochieCollins
      @PoochieCollins Год назад +2

      @@calvinware7957 😂😂

  • @goose3692
    @goose3692 7 лет назад +2913

    The Parthian general, Surena was executed by the Parthian king after this because he was seen as a threat to his power

    • @Sonamyfan875
      @Sonamyfan875 5 лет назад +424

      Barbaric logic for barbaric people.

    • @LureThosePixels
      @LureThosePixels 5 лет назад +440

      @@Sonamyfan875 logic of idiots in power*, no matter where they come from

    • @ramtin89
      @ramtin89 4 года назад +1027

      @@Sonamyfan875 seems that your civilized and advanced romans did the same with the general Ezio after defeating Attila by the hand of emperor Valentinian III for the same reason, or are they "barbaric" people too?

    • @000000AEA000000
      @000000AEA000000 4 года назад +296

      @@ramtin89 yes they are.

    • @rickypoon6406
      @rickypoon6406 4 года назад +67

      More like, because of that gross triumph at the end...

  • @Kay-kg6ny
    @Kay-kg6ny 4 года назад +1554

    Sidenote: just imagine being a random farmer or something and getting your town destroyed and your whole family sold into slavery because your city leaders (who you've possibly never even seen in person) decided to actively troll a Roman general when they could have just laid low.

    • @forgetful9845
      @forgetful9845 4 года назад +140

      Ye this is the sad fste of many in the ancient world

    • @waterbear46
      @waterbear46 3 года назад +74

      Another normal day in life of ancient farmer... what did you expect?

    • @y.r._
      @y.r._ 3 года назад +6

      topkek

    • @projectilequestion
      @projectilequestion 3 года назад +38

      @@y.r._ Yeah, a lot of 'defenders of the oppressed', have no compunction about using them as meat shields for the only campaigns.

    • @Ravi9A
      @Ravi9A 3 года назад +6

      @@forgetful9845 Just a reminder, Parthia had no slaves.

  • @mustafaalwan6523
    @mustafaalwan6523 7 лет назад +2510

    Crassus deployed in noob box formation ...

    • @shweatypalms4423
      @shweatypalms4423 7 лет назад +160

      Mustafa Alwan I believe its called defensive geometry

    • @madpod5
      @madpod5 7 лет назад +45

      simple geometry

    • @holysword876
      @holysword876 7 лет назад +93

      Total War squaaaaaad.

    • @martinconway8174
      @martinconway8174 7 лет назад +54

      Turtling camper

    • @computo2000
      @computo2000 7 лет назад +35

      Didn't you know Crassus? This isn't the time to experiment!

  • @nept123
    @nept123 4 года назад +429

    Crassus tried being Caesar but only managed the "get into bad trouble" part and missed the part where you win with lucky stuff and weird tricks..

    • @PoochieCollins
      @PoochieCollins Год назад +44

      Caesar had main character powers; Crassus didn't.

    • @neilb143
      @neilb143 Год назад

      ​@@PoochieCollinsone was called competent the other was a egoistic idiot

    • @JoelJames2
      @JoelJames2 Год назад +11

      Crassus was playing Risk instead of Minecraft. Classic blunder.

    • @occam7382
      @occam7382 10 месяцев назад +6

      @@PoochieCollins, and even Caesar's plot armor wasn't as strong as he thought it was.

    • @jbatts834
      @jbatts834 2 месяца назад +1

      He tried being pompey Magnus you mean.

  • @vladdumbrava2152
    @vladdumbrava2152 4 года назад +568

    Spartacus laughing his ass off from the underworld at "Crassus's Triumph".

    • @vladvah77
      @vladvah77 3 года назад +4

      Muie Crassus & Pompey!

    • @neilb143
      @neilb143 Год назад +9

      I am laughing as well that was lowkey hilarious

    • @occam7382
      @occam7382 10 месяцев назад +9

      Spartacus from the grave just being like, "After 2 decades of being dead, it feels nice to see you so thoroughly humiliated."

    • @calmdownbeavis7039
      @calmdownbeavis7039 3 месяца назад

      Finally the gods have removed c**k from ass

    • @ethanduncan1646
      @ethanduncan1646 28 дней назад

      The parthian general that came up with that is a meme god.

  • @TheLiteroCola
    @TheLiteroCola 7 лет назад +3497

    *sigh* *Fires up Rome Total War

    • @lok_2368
      @lok_2368 7 лет назад +287

      not now Rome, I have to study...
      alright, fine... one more empire

    • @bbdawise
      @bbdawise 7 лет назад +38

      You should try the Europa Barbarorum II for Med 2. It's a much better game and is, in my opinion, the Rome 2 we should have gotten!

    • @andrasbeke3012
      @andrasbeke3012 7 лет назад +21

      Thomas Allen This is the only historical battle I can't beat :P

    • @adrianramirez1746
      @adrianramirez1746 7 лет назад +43

      Gonna play Rome II now
      *Crashes once again.

    • @talv
      @talv 7 лет назад +33

      The first one is easily one of the best games ever made.

  • @AcZe1188
    @AcZe1188 7 лет назад +364

    crassus didn't have large roman onagers or large roman ballistas in the middle. that's why his noob box formation didn't work

    • @Kurvaux
      @Kurvaux 6 лет назад +54

      Abu Troll al cockroachistan
      Lol he’s talking about the noob fort strat in total war: Rome 2

    • @ze_rubenator
      @ze_rubenator 6 лет назад +7

      @@Kurvaux Rome 1*

    • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
      @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 5 лет назад +3

      Noob? You think the pussy parthians were not noob? Thats exaclty how i started to play Rome I total war, having only cavalry, i find it long but easy, then i felt bad because i played as a woman

    • @MrShowbags
      @MrShowbags 5 лет назад +2

      Fucking Noob box 😂😭

    • @cultofmalgus1310
      @cultofmalgus1310 5 лет назад +3

      @@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 when I used to play Rome 1 I never engaged outside my settlements much. I used mostly just Levy Pikemen and archers. Anytime the AI tried to use Egyptian Chariots or Parthian horsearchers I used the walls and alleys to my advantage. Eventually they all had to enter the city. Some cheap pikes were their end every time.

  • @HazmanFTW
    @HazmanFTW 6 лет назад +414

    Man it's good to see the Parthian's researched Parthian Tactics giving them that +1/+2 armour and +4 attack against spearmen.

  • @GalileoAV
    @GalileoAV 7 лет назад +1090

    Oh my God..."Crassus's Triumph". Dude those Parthians don't fuck around. ⊙﹏⊙

    • @sarasamaletdin4574
      @sarasamaletdin4574 7 лет назад +170

      Expecially since Crassus never had a triump, he was mad that Pompey got the triump over Spartacus despite Crassus doing the work. He got just an ovation. He probably really wanted a triumph after defeating Parthians. And he got the triump in Parthia in most humiliating way ever...

    • @persianguy4692
      @persianguy4692 7 лет назад +95

      Galileo Gaming that shows how much Sorena (the parthian commander ) knew cursus's history

    • @htf5555
      @htf5555 7 лет назад +8

      It kind of pissed me off. I played a lot of Total war so I'm fond of Rome and find that showboating a bit insulting. Anyway that shithead Sorena got executed later so fuck him.

    • @persianguy4692
      @persianguy4692 7 лет назад +79

      htf5555 why ? by standards of the time he was quit clever and made sure the romans understand the consequence of attacking his territory
      most generals of the time would have just killed all the soldiers(sorry for bad English )

    • @chainedoj
      @chainedoj 7 лет назад +17

      Consequences are one thing. Parading a soldier dressed as a woman is just bizarre. No, most generals at the time would enslave the captured soldiers, perhaps kill some, which the Parthians did.

  • @MephLeo
    @MephLeo 7 лет назад +995

    In Portuguese you can call a gross error an _erro crasso_, literally meaning "crassus error". I guess that's a deserved tribute.

    • @nellicosta7701
      @nellicosta7701 6 лет назад +12

      Leopoldo Aranha Em português de Portugal? É que sou brasileira e não conhecia essa expressão.

    • @filipelimartins
      @filipelimartins 6 лет назад +34

      eu sou brasileiro e ja escutei essa expressão

    • @nellicosta7701
      @nellicosta7701 6 лет назад +4

      Filipe Martins Sério? Caramba, nunca tinha escutado!

    • @filipelimartins
      @filipelimartins 6 лет назад +4

      sim, inclusive uso bastante essa expressão e só descobri o que ela significa ontem hasushauasuh

    • @caracaes
      @caracaes 5 лет назад +15

      "Crassus" em latim também significa "grande"
      Ou seja, mesmo em Latim, e mesmo antes da morte de crassus, "crassus error" significa "grande erro".
      Então pode ser que a expressão já existia antes da morte de Crassus.

  • @S0RGEx
    @S0RGEx 4 года назад +869

    Even after all that you have to feel kinda bad for Crassus, losing his son and being taunted by his severed head. I understand why he essentially went into shock.

    • @Saurophaganax1931
      @Saurophaganax1931 3 года назад +214

      Pride cometh before the fall. It’s worth remembering that this entire war was nothing more than Crassus’ personal vanity project. How many people do you think senselessly lost their lives just so Crassus could earn some personal glory? How many more do you think would have died had he not failed so fantastically? It’s hard to feel bad for a man who marched in there for no other reason but to murder, steal, and enslave for his own enrichment.

    • @jerm70
      @jerm70 3 года назад +82

      @@andrewcornelio6179 You are afforded vanity when you can bring victory. A few dead Legion here and there is fine if you can make up for their lost. Crassus fucked that campaign up hard from the moment he blindly walked into the desert with no information beyond guys on horses.

    • @iMajoraGaming
      @iMajoraGaming 3 года назад +4

      @@jerm70 nah, bad logic.

    • @jerm70
      @jerm70 3 года назад +64

      @@iMajoraGaming It's really not though. Caesar messed up a ton but most of his men got to go home. The entire Civil War was to protect Caesar's vanity project. The difference is that Caesar didn't blindly tell his men to walk into the desert.

    • @diollinebranderson6553
      @diollinebranderson6553 2 года назад +1

      @@iMajoraGaming what? its not a bad logic mate. and indeed crassus was blinded by wealth

  • @badgergaucho99
    @badgergaucho99 7 лет назад +475

    10:30
    Fun fact: "parthian shot" ended up becoming an expression used by the romans to refer to those who keep yelling insults as they leave.
    Either way, Crassus was a noob.

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 7 лет назад +8

      *All Greco-Romans were noobs.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 7 лет назад +15

      He made the noob box

    • @Userius1
      @Userius1 6 лет назад +3

      +Sepehr Voshmgir Nope

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 6 лет назад +4

      Yep.
      Compared to Persians, Greeks and Romans were absolute shite in leadership, governance and creativity in leadership. Darius III, who Arrian and Plutarch call weak and icomptenet made more long-lasting leadership decisions despite his "failures" than Alexander. One of the biggest reasons why Iranian culture is still alive is thanks to Darius III.
      For example was appointing a satrap to Persepolis, one which no other Achaemenid had done. This allowed a decisive ambush against Alexander's men and made all Greeks and Romans to never dare invade Persia again. He appointed historians to copy their work into both tablets and paper (goat and sheepskin ofcourse) as a fail safe.
      Alexander the Great [Failure] on the other hand decided to burn a palace he just invaded, force his own cultural and religious ideals and language on people on the basis that they are just Persians.
      Darius III's customs still live in Iran and Greater Iran to this day. Alexander's don't. But ofcourse propaganda is propaganda and blind people will revere a thug (the Macedonian) and vilify or disrespect the intelligent (the Persian).

    • @Userius1
      @Userius1 6 лет назад

      +Sepehr Voshmgir You can literally find scores of people that support the Persian side of history...

  • @paulliu8502
    @paulliu8502 7 лет назад +200

    so basically crassus invented the total war noobbox

  • @NoahWeaverRacing
    @NoahWeaverRacing 4 года назад +122

    The way I see it is
    1. Crassus started an unprovoked war (even Caesar had some version of a flimsy excuse)
    2. He sent Soldiers to a garrison offer from a town in the empire he was attacking.
    3. He constantly shrugged off the advice of his council. No man has all the answers and especially in war and always needs to accept advice of his council occasionally.
    4. Chased an army in the desert away from water and food supplies (Caesar would have always put himself in a position to intercept supplies).
    5. Indecisive leadership. He second guessed his tactics and when faced with encirclement he attempted very little to at least temporarily suppress the Parthian arrows and created some form of escape/ fortified encampment
    6. Declined help from an allied power who’s cavalry would have significantly helped Crassus in a battle against Parthian horse archers.
    6.5- the Armenian cavalry could have given Crassus the information he so desperately needed to execute a firm battle plan for where and how to invade.

  • @Smartacus98
    @Smartacus98 7 лет назад +3407

    2,000 years on and this is still the cringiest moment in history

    • @Uroboro_Djinn
      @Uroboro_Djinn 5 лет назад +296

      I know a certain WW2 French line that would like to have a word with you.

    • @CloudCosm0ss
      @CloudCosm0ss 5 лет назад +12

      @@Uroboro_Djinn .

    • @admontblanc
      @admontblanc 5 лет назад +99

      @@Uroboro_Djinn the world's most impregnable defense line, defeated by some sneaky bois going behind it ;)

    • @Boxghost102
      @Boxghost102 5 лет назад +64

      @Brylle Cruz Really, I heard that the French didn't defend the forest at Sedan because they thought the germans couldn't get through the trees? That being said, the Maginot was still strong and stopped the germans directly attacking it.

    • @adamclark1972uk
      @adamclark1972uk 5 лет назад +19

      @Brylle Cruz No. Was it good?

  • @haraldr3223
    @haraldr3223 7 лет назад +287

    The "Nah" led to his demise

  • @Weatherboy1102
    @Weatherboy1102 4 года назад +146

    18:34 such a humiliating defeat that it caused HC’s microphone to downgrade as it seems

    • @estebson
      @estebson 6 месяцев назад +3

      It was such a cringe defeat even the audio quality cringed away

  • @freycomm35
    @freycomm35 7 лет назад +1069

    The Chinese had a fairly simple (albeit expensive) way to deal with horse archers employing Parthian tactic. In a similar period, the chinese Han dynasty embarked on punitive raids deep into Mongolia. Han with their previous experience in dealing with the nomads employed a large percentage of infantry crossbowmen/archers. Almost half of the infantry were ranged troops armed with strong crossbows and bows. Even though both the Han and Mongolians used similar composite technology in their bow construction, horse archers use drastically smaller bows than the infantry counter part. Horse archer can't use big bows due to it interfering with them riding. The chinese crossbows were extremely effective. Not only it has an aiming device allowing it easy estimation of range. It also outranges horse archers due to its size, bigger the bow, more power, more power, longer range. So when the Mongolians tried to use shoot and scope against a large formation of Han infantry they were simply out matched. The horsemen lose the range engagement and can't charge in due to the other half the infantry were spearmen. Infantry ranged troops are also denser, because horses are bigger, so they can output far more arrows/bolts per area. Han's punitive raids were far more successful as a result.

    • @Tirajis
      @Tirajis 6 лет назад +129

      Works in theory but the romans Never had Good archers or cavalry. Also the parthians in this instance had an unlimmited Supply of arrows

    • @Ildskalli
      @Ildskalli 6 лет назад +125

      But there wasn't an unlimited supply of horses and archers. Honestly, given the massive Roman numerical advantage, even a large force of soldiers with slings could've beaten the Parthians - just move the box each time you run out of rocks to sling at the horsemen :D

    • @Kurvaux
      @Kurvaux 6 лет назад +1

      Ildskalli
      Cough cough
      Mount jindarus cough cough

    • @Ildskalli
      @Ildskalli 6 лет назад +2

      What happened at Mount Jindarus? I honestly have no idea :/

    • @Tirajis
      @Tirajis 6 лет назад +28

      @@Ildskalli again, works in theory, but again the roman archers/skirmishers and bows were significantly inferior to the parthians. Also men don't want to die, so the romans wouldn't really be able to just hunt after the parthians until they ran of, because they would take massive casualties trying to do so. They only reasonable thing to do for crassus would have been to force a pitched battle by taking parthian settlements and thus taking out the parthian supplies etc., forcing them to engage the romans.

  • @rin_etoware_2989
    @rin_etoware_2989 7 лет назад +1759

    This is the perfect tragedy. A man who desires glory being ruined by his own hubris.

    • @Smikkelboy69
      @Smikkelboy69 7 лет назад +57

      Shame those soldiers had to die, this is why you shouldnt join the army.

    • @cheap1.05
      @cheap1.05 7 лет назад +1

      Bernard Bruinsma what if are conscripted

    • @commanderkei9537
      @commanderkei9537 7 лет назад +41

      Bernard Bruinsma
      This is exactly why you try to become an officer, so you can stop this sort of thing from happening, and be there for the poor chaps who happen to be caught in it

    • @facelessman9224
      @facelessman9224 7 лет назад +14

      Kind of like what happened to Hillary.

    • @RoboBoddicker
      @RoboBoddicker 7 лет назад +62

      Ah, yes. The vain, avaricious rich man, known for his sleazy business tactics, reviled by the populace for initiating a foreign war with no tactical benefit except to further inflate his own bloated ego, whose obvious incompetence is matched only by his arrogance, who repudiates the wise counsel of his allies and instead draws close to him a treacherous man of dubious origin who leads him and his men into the jaws of utter destruction. Remind you of anyone today? That's right. It's just like Hillary Clinton.

  • @maxis2k
    @maxis2k 5 лет назад +91

    Crassus: "Pompey! How far from Rome do I have to go to get away from that name!"
    Pompey: "Oh don't worry. You won't hear it again."

  • @evershumor1302
    @evershumor1302 7 лет назад +885

    crassus, think OUTSIDE the box!

  • @TheBasjenator
    @TheBasjenator 7 лет назад +1206

    That Parthian General has no chill.

    • @thankstfh3227
      @thankstfh3227 7 лет назад +10

      what is his name

    • @thankstfh3227
      @thankstfh3227 7 лет назад +21

      TheBasjenator Thanks I needed to know the name of the world's savigest savigest person XD

    • @CarrowMind
      @CarrowMind 7 лет назад +240

      It's ok, the Parthian king at the time grew jealous of Surena's (the Parthian General) fame and had him executed. That's what you get for excessive showboating.

    • @gaiusjuliuscaesar8450
      @gaiusjuliuscaesar8450 7 лет назад +61

      Thanks, that was getting to depressive.

    • @nebeskisrb7765
      @nebeskisrb7765 7 лет назад +96

      @CarrowMind: Fuck man, this entire story ends up in a downer.

  • @hollandmeester347
    @hollandmeester347 5 лет назад +118

    Crassus went to Parthia for eternal glory.
    All he got was a mouth full of gold and 2000 years of shame.

    • @neilb143
      @neilb143 Год назад +1

      Mouth full of gold out-of-context sounds pretty good

  • @AlgaeNymph
    @AlgaeNymph 7 лет назад +623

    Here's a case of defeat not due to stupidity, but *miscalculation.* The Armenian ruler's offer seemed too good to be true, and was beyond his initial goals anyway. Furthermore, a square would've been perfect for thwarting being flanked. He did everything *right,* but only in the context of what he knew.
    Except chasing after an army in the middle of the desert instead of city-hopping; that was fucking dumb.

    • @Tirajis
      @Tirajis 6 лет назад +41

      AlgaeNymph well if the Armenians would have been with Crassus, the main parthian Army would have fought against them. Surenas Force was only meant to delay the romans until the King dealt with the Armenians, which he did, but the romans heavy infantry was just no Match to the parthian heavy cav in an open plain.

    • @LyricalDJ
      @LyricalDJ 5 лет назад +92

      I'd argue he didn't do everything right at all. Saying it was within the context of what he knew doesn't make it okay - he chose to start a war against a foe he sorely underestimated and which fought in a way his army wasn't capable of easily defeating. He chose not to scout. He had the initiative, he had the time and opportunity. Therefore, to be thwarted by his lack of knowledge was maybe his biggest mistake alongside his underestimation of his enemy and his overestimation of himself (not listening to his advisors again and again).

    • @napoleoncomplex2712
      @napoleoncomplex2712 5 лет назад +53

      It's certainly hard to believe Caesar would be so reckless... or is it? Caesar did chase various Gallic armies out into No Man's Land from time to time. There are moments where I believe if the Gauls had just been as clever as Surena, they would have wiped Caesar out prematurely, and we'd be talking about just another Roman disaster during the dying years of the Republic.
      Caesar tended to make better use of reconnaissance though, so he might have known what he was up against, and I don't think he would have used Crassus' box formation. The box formation does make a bit of sense against a full cavalry army because, as the video says, it covers any potential flanks. However, Caesar would probably have found out about the size of the Parthian army in the first place. He might also have recognised the withdrawal into the desert as the (in hindsight obvious) lure that it was.

    • @aleksandarnikolovski9518
      @aleksandarnikolovski9518 4 года назад +15

      @@napoleoncomplex2712 Well that's why experience and being able to adapt to the situation is the difference we remember Caesar as a great general and Crassus as a wealthy man who was looking for glory, but found only his doom.

    • @suyci
      @suyci 4 года назад +6

      I'd almost argue the same thing, but there is one thing that always kept Romans back: their dumb pride and refusal to use cavalry. Crassus logically had no other option but to accept the foreign army for a lot of reasons:
      1. Intel on both the surrounding terrain and the enemy army
      2. Free cavalry, which you need when fighting other cavalry units, especially when it comes to ranged cavalry.
      3. A stronger bond with the local populace which makes annexing easier
      I'd fear being backstabbed as well, but anything is better than trying to fight an unknown enemy in hostile terrain without a supply line.

  • @baggelistsormpatzoglou7862
    @baggelistsormpatzoglou7862 7 лет назад +530

    My Lord, I am informed that the Armenian king is willing to aid us in our cause giving us a large portion of his army counting 46.000 men and providing us with a safe passage through his Kingdom.
    Should we accept his offer, the decision is yours.
    -Crassus : Nah.

    • @aleksandarnikolovski9518
      @aleksandarnikolovski9518 4 года назад +108

      Nah, we march deep in enemy territory, through the fucking desert without stopping, looking for some horsey bois.

    • @robopope7584
      @robopope7584 3 года назад +19

      Nah we’ll just decide to deploy in a dumb way after chasing down an army of horse archers a quarter our size and suffer a decisive defeat.

    • @hammer3721
      @hammer3721 3 года назад +2

      The thing is, the Armenians were mainly doing it because they wanted Crassus to basically fight the main Parthian army for them.

    • @Yrkr785
      @Yrkr785 3 года назад +2

      @@hammer3721 the 46,000 Armenian army was bigger than the 40,000 Roman army how does that add up

    • @hammer3721
      @hammer3721 3 года назад +3

      @@Yrkr785 It adds up because the bulk of the Parthian Army was actually preparing to invade Armenia. The army at Carrhae was just a token force compared to what Crassus would have had to face in Armenia.

  • @mushroomsamba82
    @mushroomsamba82 5 лет назад +1166

    "Crassus's Triumph" Absolutely brutal 😂

    • @jacquesmesrine3244
      @jacquesmesrine3244 4 года назад +72

      Apart from forcing Crassus onto that wild horse, this was incredibly humiliating for Rome.

    • @hitrapperandartistdababy
      @hitrapperandartistdababy 4 года назад +10

      Fox D Yeah that one is pretty damn funny and humiliating

    • @sebastiangorka200
      @sebastiangorka200 4 года назад +15

      Just quality ownage

    • @a.h.tvideomapping4293
      @a.h.tvideomapping4293 4 года назад +12

      Fox D
      *Khosrau’s Better Antioch*

    • @sebastiangorka200
      @sebastiangorka200 4 года назад +4

      @@a.h.tvideomapping4293
      "Why doesn't somebody build a town that just works? Somebody did."

  • @IronWarrior86
    @IronWarrior86 7 лет назад +374

    20,000 legionaries annihilated to the loss of 38 Cataphracts. It was a Parthian stomp.

    • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
      @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 5 лет назад +7

      No way, it was a dick move, try to play like that in Rome total war series against an opponent and ask him how he felt after you just brought horse vagina mounted archers, go ahead go play the parthian way in a tournament and we will see if the comments congratulates you or insult you of fucking coward

    • @horstherbert35
      @horstherbert35 5 лет назад +55

      @@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 don't hate the player, hate the game
      The strategy of moving faster and having more range is basically invincible as long as it stays out of choke points.
      that also was the main advantage that the legions had over the hoplites

    • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
      @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 5 лет назад +5

      @@horstherbert35 yeah but guess what the startegy (hit and run is inspired by real tactics of steppe nomad pussies, turkic parthians, even Scythians at some points)

    • @ImiriAgami22
      @ImiriAgami22 5 лет назад +32

      @@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 someones salty👌

    • @krandom9283
      @krandom9283 5 лет назад +1

      @@ImiriAgami22 Miri as in Sarawak?

  • @Zoe-cl7eo
    @Zoe-cl7eo 7 лет назад +610

    Fun fact: While the Romans suffered heavy casualties, the Parthians only lost about 38 Heavy Calvary and a light amount of Horse Archers.

    • @viraloracle5151
      @viraloracle5151 6 лет назад +56

      he left out the parthian loses and also name of parthain general lol he is biased to be honest.

    • @MlokLik
      @MlokLik 6 лет назад +95

      How can you NOT be biased in such an EXCRUCIATING defeat? Romans were left to lick their wounds.
      As a german, it makes me happy.

    • @tony9161
      @tony9161 5 лет назад +12

      name öga büga, where the Italic women at.

    • @frenchguitarguy1091
      @frenchguitarguy1091 5 лет назад +78

      NewsOracle tbh I don’t think he’s biased. Without casualties the fact that a force of 10.000 beat one way bigger than it speaks for itself.
      This is because this battle is the result of Roman and specifically Crasus’s incompetence. He had the chance to accept Armenian aid, to scout before advancing, to stop encirclement (if he hadn’t formed a square he might have actually won or been better off as flanking with a much smaller force is quite hard.

    • @garysanders6091
      @garysanders6091 5 лет назад +33

      Bias to what? I'm confused on how you can be biased with history, is there some political drive picking Romans over Parthains or Partians over Romans?

  • @GrayCatbird1
    @GrayCatbird1 2 года назад +79

    An impressive display of military strategy from the Parthians. Always sobering too to remember just how brutal and ruthless ancient warfare routinely was with regards to the defeated.

  • @safrussalmus9056
    @safrussalmus9056 7 лет назад +160

    17:27 So that's where GRR Martin got the ideo of viserys coronation...

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 7 лет назад +52

      Safrus Salmus
      Yup. Also see the Black Dinner for the Red Wedding, Greek Fire for Wildfire, the Wars of the Roses for the general outline of the series, and the Jannisaries for the Unsullied.
      GRRM toned up some, and toned down others, but he does it with style.

    • @TheBacknblack92
      @TheBacknblack92 7 лет назад +15

      Safrus Salmus yes. In the A Song of Ice and Fire universe Every single thing. Every event, family, and character have their basis in either historical fact or mythology
      Nothing about it is new. Nothing. The unique thing is putting it all together in one epic story. GRRM basically reforged human history and mythology into a giant story.
      Sam might be the only unique thing since he's GRRMs Mary Sue character (he represents GRRM himself)
      If you don't know where an aspect of the novels comes from it's just because you don't know that part of history/mythology yet. It's great learning more because you'll slowly start to see how everything fits together
      The war of the five kings is the war of the roses
      The red wedding is the black dinner
      The white walkers are Ragnaroks Jotun (or frost giants). They'll come and destroy the world in a great long winter and kill the gods and only two humans will survive to repopulate
      I could write a fucking novel about how many different historical and mythological things the ASOIAF books have in them. I've found hundreds of different things

    • @nebeskisrb7765
      @nebeskisrb7765 7 лет назад +4

      Well, most of the novels you read is just a reforging of older ideas. Rarely anything is original.

    • @iraqlobster7678
      @iraqlobster7678 7 лет назад +1

      dont forget that the tactics ramsay used in the battle of the bastards lokked like hannibals in the battle cannae

    • @JJ-sq1fv
      @JJ-sq1fv 3 года назад

      @@TheBacknblack92 tru but the books are still entertaining

  • @JohnSmith-nf2qz
    @JohnSmith-nf2qz 7 лет назад +436

    The reason the Partians only had 10,000 men, was a larger army went to fight the Armenians. Thats the reason the Roman scouts overestimated their size.

    • @kekero540
      @kekero540 7 лет назад +88

      John Smith makes sense because the Armenians were probably trying to raid while the romans distracted the Parthians.

    • @Narekinoo
      @Narekinoo 7 лет назад +5

      General noob
      More like trying to create bufferzones in Atropatene and Vaspurakan.

    • @llaftuo3618
      @llaftuo3618 7 лет назад +2

      John Smith Im curious. What was the name of the battle the armenians fought?

    • @kekero540
      @kekero540 7 лет назад

      Narek_ jwz doubt they would be able too too much conflict with the romans if they succeeded.

    • @Narekinoo
      @Narekinoo 7 лет назад +27

      General noob
      Armenia under Tigran the great became an empire and the strongest state in the east for a short period, I think the Romans wanted to stop the Armenian Kingdom from regaining power in the region... even if this meant refusing their help.

  • @DarqIce
    @DarqIce 5 лет назад +139

    I actually went and looked up the definition of "crass" = "showing no intelligence or sensitivity.". Yup, must be linked to our pal Crassus, right? Nah...

    • @yahyachothia
      @yahyachothia 5 лет назад +16

      Crassus in latin means stout or solid or fat or dense. It might be a synonym for the lang term for dense, but I like your idea better.

    • @sleazymeezy
      @sleazymeezy 5 лет назад +7

      @@yahyachothia what about pompous and Pompey? Any connection? I can certainly make one in my head

    • @yahyachothia
      @yahyachothia 5 лет назад +12

      @@sleazymeezy I thought the same too. Whilst Crassus and Crass maybe connected it doesn't stick true for Pompey. Pompey (Latin Pompeius) is thought to be derived from the Oscan given name Pompo whereas pompous is derived from Latin/Greek pompa ‘procession, pomp’.

    • @reinatr4848
      @reinatr4848 4 года назад +2

      It comes from Crassus

  • @matthewmitchell6284
    @matthewmitchell6284 7 лет назад +112

    This Was Really Not His Year - Crassus (53 B.C.E.)

  • @darionsolaris
    @darionsolaris 7 лет назад +400

    Damn Crassus, you should have not used the noob square formation. Only newbie Spartan players do that.

    • @mathy1799
      @mathy1799 7 лет назад +135

      Darion Solaris apparently the Partian army wasn't controlled by the AI.

    • @JP-rf8rr
      @JP-rf8rr 7 лет назад +7

      I'm a noob

    • @MetalGamer666
      @MetalGamer666 7 лет назад

      I like to do it and fill it with archers and slingers. Works pretty well!

    • @HaloFTW55
      @HaloFTW55 7 лет назад

      Axiomatic
      For the Emperor of Man...
      um... for Sigmar!
      Forward Adeptus Astar...
      er... fuck it! Forward!

    • @saintshaggy1372
      @saintshaggy1372 7 лет назад +2

      haha i know right noobie total war formation

  • @ItzCashew
    @ItzCashew 5 лет назад +161

    Parthian General: we need arrows.
    Parthian Supply Sargeant : how much do you need?
    Parthian General:.... *pause for dramatic effect*.... LIKE. ALOT.

  • @stuka80
    @stuka80 7 лет назад +54

    When Crassus's head was presented to the Parthian King, he was in the middle of watching a greek play, the Bacchae by Euripides. The actor in the play took the head of Crassus and danced around the stage shouting the verses of the play loosely translated "....a mighty prey, we have caught today!"

  • @akrybion
    @akrybion 7 лет назад +211

    That shit could be a perfect Drama. I kind of feel bad for Crassus, but if the sources are right, he really was making very stupid decisions.

    • @legion999
      @legion999 6 лет назад +12

      Also he was a greedy invader, soo dont feel bad.

    • @Innengelaender
      @Innengelaender 6 лет назад +5

      How does this have anything to do with hindsight? If this video got it right, Crassus' own soldiers repeatedly told him that they should not just march into the desert, which is only made worse by not letting your soldiers rest or rehydrate.
      Before all that started he also completely ignored the first rule of Roman warfare. Divide et impera: get local allies for intelligence and let neighboring tribes fight each other instead of you. Conveniently there was one perfectly fitting candidate offering his help and expertise on how to deal with the Parthians (or rather what not to do) but Crassus ignored that. Apparently the Parthian cavalry could be difficult to deal with in the open desert.
      So in hindsight the Armenian king got off lucky by not getting himself involved with such a knucklehead.
      That he understood basic Roman combat tactics doesnt really make any of this better.

    • @corettaha7855
      @corettaha7855 6 лет назад +1

      P K not really. We have information laid out for us very neatly which he had no way of knowing. Most reasonable people would have expected him to win irl until at le”ast the camels part 🐫 “bloody camels! Crassus at Carrhae

    • @thegamer9302
      @thegamer9302 5 лет назад

      he made my total war desicions.

    • @BuRsTiNxMLB
      @BuRsTiNxMLB 5 лет назад

      P K Crassus was a piece of shit enslaver who also crucified thousands and thousands of slaves. Don’t feel bad for him, he deserved to go out in such a pathetic fashion

  • @mimus6596
    @mimus6596 6 лет назад +74

    And the BibulusAward goes to....: CRASSUS, congratulations!

    • @sleazymeezy
      @sleazymeezy 5 лет назад +8

      Omg, hes so bad at this!

  • @dunadan1995
    @dunadan1995 7 лет назад +341

    Parthian Empire is legitimately incredible and doesn't get nearly enough recognition for keeping Romans from fairly rich lands of Mesopotamia. Also, Armenian Empire was quite a big player in the Eastern politics of that time, weird that Crassus decided to turn their proposal down - Armenians have been fighting descendants of the Persian Empire for years. And really would've helped against Parthian tactics. Oh well, Crassus couldn't command armies for shit anyway.

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 7 лет назад +19

      True. The Parthians undid the filth of Alexander.

    • @vardansimonyan966
      @vardansimonyan966 7 лет назад +19

      dude get lost )))

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 6 лет назад +15

      Alexander died from desperately trying to subjugate the Persians. BTW I like how fucking racist you are but you wouldn't glorify Xerxes, who actually had legitimate reason for invading Greece. Alexander died by the hands of Persia itself, because you never fuck with the Persians and expect to live early. Darius III has the last laugh. The culture, art, history, philosophy of Persia to this day remains Persian. Where are the remnants/legends/leftovers of Alexander now in Iran? Nowhere. On the other hand, the Achaemenids are immortals in Iranian culture. The Islamic government also respects them. Sassan I was a descendant of Darius III.
      Also get your fucking history right, the Parthians undid the Seleucid filth who were way after Alexander.
      Darius III was not incompetent, his resistance is the prime reason for the survival Persian culture to this day. His electing of Ariobarzanes as the satrap of Pars (Persis or Pasargadae) is what delievered a massive blow against the hellenistic cunts, ensuring that even though Iran might be sacrificed, the rest of the world will remain protected. The Indians then took vengeance for him, and the Parthians wiped the floor with the Greeks. This is why Greece respects Iran now.
      Fuck yes.

    • @louie97ation
      @louie97ation 6 лет назад

      Sepehr Voshmgir Here I thought he died from malaria

    • @asswizardofsiberia520
      @asswizardofsiberia520 6 лет назад +2

      dude
      Then why hadn't Parthia conquered it? It wasn't as powerful, but it could compete.

  • @TechShowdown
    @TechShowdown 7 лет назад +771

    Should be called how to be a terrible military tactician 101

    • @marcinsobota14
      @marcinsobota14 7 лет назад +13

      His tactics weren't his problem- a line would expose the rear to create more casualties. He just set himself up badly.

    • @chaosherald8879
      @chaosherald8879 7 лет назад +2

      strategist*

    • @lachlandebel8745
      @lachlandebel8745 7 лет назад

      He should've just pulled all his men into a testudo formation, like a kind of large block of men, this would limit his manoeuvrability, but until the literal infinite supply of arrows stopped, he would be largely protected, with tight shields packed together. Or he should've pushed his men out in testudo formation which would've either scared off the horse archers or disrupt their infinite arrows for the cavalry to come in and smash them.

    • @chaosherald8879
      @chaosherald8879 7 лет назад +44

      He did both, and neither worked. Weren't you paying attention?

    • @chaosherald8879
      @chaosherald8879 7 лет назад +39

      Because they had firearms and bayonets. If you have no ranged weapons and the enemy does, it's a disaster waiting to happen. He should have just accepted the Armenian's aid, it was victory on a silver platter if he had.

  • @tiodichia5309
    @tiodichia5309 3 года назад +52

    For a long time, I knew nothing about Crassus outside of his history with the first triumvirate and this Parthian campaign. I used to think of Crassus as a tragic victim.
    Then I learned about Spartacus and the Servile Wars.

  • @goranperssonfanaccount1956
    @goranperssonfanaccount1956 7 лет назад +385

    Vetoing a veto. I can see russia's ambassador to the UN drooling

  • @kriegsmarine1930
    @kriegsmarine1930 7 лет назад +200

    i open my eyes and what do i see? A new historia civilis video. Today is going to be a good day

  • @lukedias5233
    @lukedias5233 2 года назад +19

    It's crazy how the massive crusader army under Guy de Lusignan made a similar mistake over a thousand years later at Hattin that cost them everything. Doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past if you don't learn from them.

  • @berzerker4026
    @berzerker4026 7 лет назад +38

    Happy to see my fav youtubers having sponsers

  • @kyleknighttv9330
    @kyleknighttv9330 7 лет назад +56

    I had just signed up for the mailing list a day or two ago and I couldn't be happier. Truly amazing work as usual! I cannot express enough how this channel has become my absolute favorite. You're style is distinctive, informative, and well presented. I only see you exploding upward from here, best regards!

    • @DangerRussDayZ6533
      @DangerRussDayZ6533 7 лет назад

      Dumb question, but where does one sign up for the mailing list?

    • @kyleknighttv9330
      @kyleknighttv9330 7 лет назад

      On the Historia Civilis website, linked in the description, the first page should be the sign up for the mailing list

    • @DangerRussDayZ6533
      @DangerRussDayZ6533 7 лет назад

      thanks. I found it shortly after I asked. I didn't check the drop down for the actual website, stupid me.

  • @MrJoking4fun
    @MrJoking4fun 6 лет назад +8

    I have been binge watching your content for 2 days now. By far my favorite history channel. The little drums for music goes perfectly with the retelling of past events. Don't stop, man.

  • @irodwen
    @irodwen 7 лет назад +422

    man all those Armenian archers suuuure would of been nice right about then.

    • @hoplite6164
      @hoplite6164 6 лет назад +41

      The square probably could have worked with Armenia archers, like in the Battle of Jaffa, where Richard's crossbows behind shield walls defeated Saladins cavalry.

    • @imm0rtalguard
      @imm0rtalguard 6 лет назад +5

      What's this point to Armenian!!? Parhtian are Persians!!

    • @Loj84
      @Loj84 5 лет назад +4

      @@imm0rtalguard Did you watch the video? lmao

    • @imm0rtalguard
      @imm0rtalguard 5 лет назад +2

      @@Loj84 what video lol you mean Zionist globalism history!? I talk about reality not stupid westerns thoughts!!

    • @Loj84
      @Loj84 5 лет назад +5

      Ahmadreza Iglesias you've gotta be braindead lmao

  • @vincents.6310
    @vincents.6310 7 лет назад +287

    Crassus is the definition of a 0/0/0/0 general

    • @TheGuyWhoIsNeverMad
      @TheGuyWhoIsNeverMad 7 лет назад +79

      Vincent S. id say 0/0/0/1 after all he did seige alot of towns down in quick succession. useful seige pip

    • @alphasword5541
      @alphasword5541 7 лет назад +20

      Not really, he made a lot of mistakes here, but you can tell from the beginning of the video that he's not a complete fool.

    • @RoNPlayer
      @RoNPlayer 7 лет назад +30

      BlueSword You can be a competent politician or economist, but still be an utter moron on the battlefield.

    • @vincents.6310
      @vincents.6310 7 лет назад +12

      BlueSword he may be a 3/3/0, but he will never fight as good as Skanderbeg

    • @fonzyfermin8896
      @fonzyfermin8896 7 лет назад +15

      But Crassus didn't have to deal with 500 Aggressive Expansion.

  • @t.c.bramblett617
    @t.c.bramblett617 6 лет назад +34

    You gotta love the Romans. "I want to go to war." "I veto that!" "well, I veto THAT!"

  • @oakhouse1997
    @oakhouse1997 7 лет назад +76

    What would be the most effective strategy against archer cavalry with unlimited arrows when your army consists of infantry?

    • @WhitepawWolfGaming
      @WhitepawWolfGaming 7 лет назад +237

      Not walking in the middle of an open desert would be a good start.

    • @mathy1799
      @mathy1799 7 лет назад +84

      Oak House Preparation and a clear and obtainable goal is what Crasius should have done. Don't walk of into the middle of the desert without any scouting which causes you to fight on a terrain favouring the enemy. And if you have a clear goal, like capturing a city or strategic hilltop you can focus your men and push to that location like moving the whole square. A hill can't run away when you get close.
      The best option if you have to face your enemy in open battle and you have time to prepare is: better/more skirmishes. Archers can, most likely, shoot more powerful bows than horsearchers, mainly because they stand on solid ground. This gives them more range and power. Combine this with some cover and higher concentration(higher concentration=deadlier raining arrows) of the archers and they can take out any archer cavalry unit)
      One should also note that losing 100 horse archers is worse than losing 100 normal archers since you also lose 100 horses.

    • @oakhouse1997
      @oakhouse1997 7 лет назад +2

      and easier targets maybe, once dismounted a direct assault may cause routing. I must admit it´s a shame the rarely specify unit descriptions more than how heavy and either infantry or cavalry.

    • @tn9711
      @tn9711 7 лет назад

      Oak House It would depend on the terrain of the battlefield

    • @evershumor1302
      @evershumor1302 7 лет назад +4

      Mathyas i'll sent this to crassus when I see him.

  • @bbarbeck
    @bbarbeck 7 лет назад +110

    Man, someone needs to make a Game of Thrones style Rome series, this would have been PERFECT for a drama series, and this shit ACTUALLY happened

    • @danielvictor3262
      @danielvictor3262 7 лет назад +65

      There's already a tv series by HBO creatively titled 'Rome', and a lot of scenes in GoT are heavily copied from the 'Rome' series

    • @zakback9937
      @zakback9937 7 лет назад +19

      and that ended because the budget cost was to high as they spent a lot for the props to be accurate.

    • @TheBacknblack92
      @TheBacknblack92 7 лет назад +1

      zakback99 yup. The entire second half of the second season had to condense three seasons worth of stuff into half a season. That's why Octavian inexplicably gets his actor changed midseason. They couldn't tell the story with an actor who looked that young and they thought they'd have longer to do it and the actor would naturally age up during the course of the show.
      They got the news they were cancelled partway through the filming of the second season so it shows

    • @uchicha666
      @uchicha666 7 лет назад +2

      Rome is an awesome TV series. Love it.

    • @honeybadger4396
      @honeybadger4396 7 лет назад

      +Don Donnie Lol what the fuck are you even talking about? That's a big ass lie

  • @Sobieski1
    @Sobieski1 4 года назад +6

    The drop in audio quality around 18:40 had me troubleshooting my setup way too long

  • @N14-b1m
    @N14-b1m 7 лет назад +514

    Watching a documentary of human evolution. Notification pops up, Historia Civilis posted a new video.
    Fuck evolution then.

    • @evershumor1302
      @evershumor1302 7 лет назад +23

      N14 learning exams for tomorrow. Historia Civilis is more important than chemistry.

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 7 лет назад +4

      Pepe Jazbec It's more important than physics

    • @PizzaManager101
      @PizzaManager101 7 лет назад +2

      more important than my ap macroeconomics exam tomorrow

    • @danielvictor3262
      @danielvictor3262 7 лет назад +5

      if you are a god watching humans interact is much more interesting than creating them

    • @edthoreum7625
      @edthoreum7625 7 лет назад

      more important than spanking my publius?

  • @prayzqek9112
    @prayzqek9112 7 лет назад +324

    "what if the khergits had good AI?"

    • @teegamew766
      @teegamew766 5 лет назад +11

      Historically, these armies are superb in a large field but aren't as good at taking cities that are built to withstand siege.

    • @11leeson
      @11leeson 5 лет назад +27

      Sw4gBeard Twas a mount and blade reference my dude

    • @teegamew766
      @teegamew766 5 лет назад +7

      @@11leeson I'm aware. The statement applies.

    • @admontblanc
      @admontblanc 5 лет назад +14

      @@teegamew766 heavy cav isn't all that useful either in most sieges, but bowmen can always put work wether they're afoot or on horse back. Mongols swept hundreds of places, including walled cities using mostly their traditional forces.

    • @C00kiesAplenty
      @C00kiesAplenty 5 лет назад +10

      @@admontblanc
      Mostly traditional forces, if you exclude captured siege engineers who could build seige equipment. And "volunteer" foot soldiers from defeated people.

  • @niteryder2995
    @niteryder2995 6 лет назад +149

    "46,000 Armenians are a lot of Armenians"
    -Historia Civillis, 2017

  • @lorisuprifranz
    @lorisuprifranz 7 лет назад +87

    Fun fact: one of the legatii that took control of the army was Cassius ( the one who also organized the murder of Ceasar). He and Crassus were in a never-ending argument during the entirety of the campaign. Plutarch reported also that the encounter with Surenas, the Parthian general, happened after a second escape from Charrae to Syria (that apparently failed because of the betrayal of a scout that guided the roman in another trap). In that occasion, Cassius simply noped to everyone and everything and ran away with the cavalry, abandoning Crassus and the infantry to even more slaughter. And in that situation, Crassus was close to bringing his man to the mountains and back to Syria.
    I also have to break a spear in favor of Crassus decision to not joining the Armenians: it seemed that the Armenians were conscious that the main army of the Parthian (30 K infantry and 10 K cavalry) was heading to their territories. By maintaining the two forces divided Crassus was quite sure to have an open road to the richest Parthian capital, the desert road was taken mainly for rushing through Mesopotamia and cutting the main parthian army away from the region. We should not forget that Crassus wasn't only a rich, powerful politician, He was also a decent commander. He was the one who practically won Rome and handed it to Sulla during his dictatorship. Moreover, he was considered ( by Cicero!), the best orator of his time (except for Cicero himself of course), capable of shame Pompey and Ceasar on many occasions. And He was also quite popular for his plebian ancestry and his very approachable manners.
    In practice Marcus Licinius Crassus was a 60 years old man that, two thousand years ago, was capable of running on horseback, commanding his man and endure their same suffering while giving speeches and exchanging jokes with everyone.
    We should not be so harsh on him

    • @anglophone412
      @anglophone412 Год назад +5

      Wow I never knew that there were people so willing to defend Crassus. I always wonder what would of happened to the triumvirate had his campaign been a stunning success. Would the Caesarean civil war even happen?

    • @ryantoth676
      @ryantoth676 Год назад +6

      Considering his "firefighter" scheme we should be way more harsh

    • @j0nnyism
      @j0nnyism Год назад +1

      I thought Cicero considered Catullus the best orator after himself

    • @enderreaper1482
      @enderreaper1482 Год назад +2

      Too bad the Parthians didn't kill Cassius as well. At least that bastard wouldn't have killed Caesar.

    • @mattsterh7740
      @mattsterh7740 Год назад +4

      I know this is arm chair general shit but the battle was stupid and made no sense whatsoever. The box formation was a good call but the parthian army was made up of a mix of light cavalry and heavy cavalry. There was no way in hell the roman infantry was going to chase and kill cavalry once the parthian army ran out of ammo, they can just run off to go get more for another attack. He shouldve began a march back or just hold the defensive postion until they could later march through the night, minimizing whatever losses. He already held mesopotamia, the pressure was on for parthia to actually storm and besiege the holdings.

  • @legionxiii8055
    @legionxiii8055 7 лет назад +75

    Marcus Licinius Crassus - *_NAH_*

    • @ChevyChase301
      @ChevyChase301 7 лет назад

      Legion XIII I have seen you on MATN videos. I am also one of the generals, formally Lentulus Brutus and now ADMIRAL JON

    • @legionxiii8055
      @legionxiii8055 7 лет назад

      Heyo, it seems we watch similar channels...

    • @sammycw2000
      @sammycw2000 7 лет назад +1

      Joey Kevorkian I watched his Rome playthrough too

  • @BeholdABlackWolf
    @BeholdABlackWolf 4 года назад +27

    I bet Spartacus was smiling in the afterlife.

  • @ryanhughes1101
    @ryanhughes1101 7 лет назад +22

    So essentially, Crassus guaranteed his own death by perpetually making the wrong decision. Got it.

  • @mateuszsulima9586
    @mateuszsulima9586 7 лет назад +155

    i guess after this battle many soldiers got to switch to city guards
    because of an arrow in the knee

  • @khartog01
    @khartog01 7 лет назад +254

    He beat a half starved slave army and then tried his hand against a real one. Silly man.

    • @horaciochapa9620
      @horaciochapa9620 5 лет назад +10

      I find this war fascinating but the only thing I hate is when I read or listen to someone else's account of the war certain details are always different, but the end result is the same Crassus army got slaughtered and he got killed

    • @gizel4376
      @gizel4376 5 лет назад +2

      that slave army, the only feat i remember from Crassus, but it was Pompei, lol

    • @J3diMindTrix
      @J3diMindTrix 5 лет назад +4

      Gizel Z *Pompey. (POMpey). Pompeii (pomPAY) is the place
      Just a little note, but understandable since in history videos like this the narrator often mistakes the two, find it rly annoying (don’t think the one here does though, which is good).

    • @connormcmurphy4276
      @connormcmurphy4276 5 лет назад +13

      Crassus was NOT A completely incompetent leader...he was not dissimilar from other generals of.the time. The Roman war machine valued strength and wealth and honor above all. So generals never used foraging parties or scouts to survey enemies. He was just a product of his time...he had won damn near everything he had ever tried in life...he didn't know the advantages of a fully horsebacked army, or horseback Archers (which were the equivalent of fucking aircraft in the ancient world) a skilled cavalry bowmen could reign HAVOC down on enemy infantry ten times in number, as shown here.

    • @terner1234
      @terner1234 4 года назад +1

      @@connormcmurphy4276 no, that's because of his incompetence, take Caesar for example, he would have conquered the entirety of the parthian empire

  • @CSLucasEpic
    @CSLucasEpic 7 лет назад +45

    The Parthian Sphabed (a rank that would translate to General or Commander) for that battle was named Surena (a popular name even to this day in Iran). He became so popular in Parthia after his victoy that, fearing that he will turn against him, the king of the Parthians, Orodes II, ordered to have him executed. This, of course, did little to erase his "legend", Surena is seen to the Persians of present day Iran in somewhat the same level that Germans regard Arminius.

    • @mysticonthehill
      @mysticonthehill 7 лет назад +5

      Thanks for sharing this interesting detail.

    • @GerryBolger
      @GerryBolger 5 лет назад

      He got the Scipio Africanus/Hannibal Barca treatment. Kings and their equals were so ungrateful back then.

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 2 года назад

      No evidence that Orodes II actually executed him.

  • @stuka80
    @stuka80 7 лет назад +64

    I dont know if you do Greek history, but the "March of the Ten Thousand" by Xenophon would be an amazing subject to cover.

    • @mk9650
      @mk9650 3 года назад

      @Mr. P. Enis he doesn't

    • @ausore9832
      @ausore9832 2 года назад

      @@mk9650 he did

  • @lentoturmahub8214
    @lentoturmahub8214 5 лет назад +2

    What is it with incompetent Roman generals getting encircled by being bad at their job? ”Hey guys, I think our obvious advantage is unfair to the enemy. How about we make this more level?” *proceeds to get entire army of at least 2 times the size of enemy’s encircled and absolutely vanquished.*

  • @TheHenk92
    @TheHenk92 7 лет назад +5

    I just can't get over how awesome this channel is mmkay

  • @AtomicPeacenik
    @AtomicPeacenik 7 лет назад +262

    **Takes an arrow to the arm** OW

  • @MrBubblecake
    @MrBubblecake 8 месяцев назад +1

    “An army of camels” never ceases to amaze me. Like imagine seeing thousands of camels strolling through the desert in unison lol

  • @blitzkrieg2928
    @blitzkrieg2928 7 лет назад +84

    54 B.C.E Marcus Licinius Crassus Not his year

  • @Jmzz542
    @Jmzz542 7 лет назад +146

    isn't he the one who killed thousands of gladiators and slaves with their families by crucifying them along Roman roads?

    • @nimash6273
      @nimash6273 7 лет назад +24

      Yep

    • @JohnWalterGates
      @JohnWalterGates 5 лет назад +46

      @Targaryen Dynasty We have to be fair: nor rebels or romans were 100% good

    • @legion999
      @legion999 5 лет назад +13

      @Targaryen Dynasty slaves used in a blood sport that just wanted their freedom

    • @idk1848
      @idk1848 5 лет назад +12

      @Targaryen Dynasty All roman soilders and leaders were murders

    • @geordiejones5618
      @geordiejones5618 5 лет назад +3

      Caesar did the hard work and pompey got the credit. Crassus never got over that.

  • @seba6078
    @seba6078 5 лет назад +33

    the virgin infantry vs the chad cavalry

  • @cyrusaugustus4640
    @cyrusaugustus4640 7 лет назад +29

    Was really happy to see you uploaded a video!

  • @jophielswings
    @jophielswings 7 лет назад +82

    ...You know what, I don't care that Crassus was rich beyond belief, and simply wanted glory. All he wanted was a triumph, respect as a commander, and the one chance he got against Spartacus was stolen from him. That ending stuck really really uneasily for me. That was horrific.

    • @viraloracle5151
      @viraloracle5151 6 лет назад +14

      all poor crassus wanted was a triumph while slaughtering thousands on his way right ?

    • @VineFynn
      @VineFynn 6 лет назад +5

      Nobody deserves to die, let alone like that. No matter their atrocities.

    • @ThisSentenceIsFalse
      @ThisSentenceIsFalse 6 лет назад +1

      vagina

    • @razrei5218
      @razrei5218 6 лет назад

      The problem with "they did wrong, so do wrong unto them" mentality is that it always results in further divisiveness. Crassus was bad, sure - but you can't up and tell everybody that the Parthians were perfectly justified in their brutal display. It was efficient, it got the job done, the same as annexing foreign territory full of wealth would get the job of increasing one's demesne and legacy well and done. In this particular time of history, it was common to see leaders disregard the lives of many for the prosperity of few. It was less common to see brutal displays and disrespect to the dead, such as this, but it served it's purpose.
      I really doubt the Parthians did it for "justice" for some random, irrelevant slaves that were killed when slaves were mistreated all over the world at the time. They did it because their cities surrendered to Roman annexation meekly, and they needed to show their force, to scare them away from doing it again.

    • @legion999
      @legion999 6 лет назад

      @Harak Mapping The Reds' justifications were bullshit when they were murdering and torturing civilians. That does not apply for instance to hitler or his closest people who perpetrated attrocities. Blaming every german for hitler would be wrong, cruelly punishing people who actually committed horrible things is...justified, if you want to do it. They didnt torture to death the entire roman force here , thhey didnt even torture crassus, but he would probably deserve it. Crassus, was defeated humiliatted an beheaded.. Justifiied..

  • @thattimestampguy
    @thattimestampguy 4 года назад +7

    0:14 Marcus Lacidius Crassus
    1:55 Crassus vs The Parthians
    2:36 Zenododium
    3:54 Armenian Invasion? _Crassus Refused Armenian King's Help_
    5:08 Pull Forward, In Pursuit of the enemy
    7:00 Roman Square
    8:42 The Parthians Brought ALOT of ARROWS
    9:51 GO PUBLIUS!
    12:05 Publius is being overrun!
    13:13 The Parthians depart for the night. Crassus mourns the death of his son Publius
    14:21 Fear in the dark. The Wounded Romans are abandoned.
    The Parthians Capture & Kill Roman Survivors
    16:23 Get Up On The Horse!
    17:07 RIP CRASSUS
    Crassus & His Men Are Humiliated
    18:38 Pompey, Richest Man In Rome

  • @TheFartoholic
    @TheFartoholic 7 лет назад +5

    The tactic of shooting while you retreat was called the Parthian shot and is probably the origin of the term "parting shot" which is an insult that you deliver before you leave.

  • @samotten9874
    @samotten9874 7 лет назад +31

    This is why, in Rome II, I never invade further east than the Seleucids. Horse archers are just the worst.

    • @vardansimonyan966
      @vardansimonyan966 7 лет назад +5

      Sam Otten dude take some foot archers. they are good against mounted ones and are more precise. ;)

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 6 лет назад +3

      Seleucids were long, long dead. The Parthians massacred all the greek usurpers.

  • @dariushmalek6325
    @dariushmalek6325 4 года назад +36

    Spartacus: God, revenge our death and suffering from Crassus.
    Surena: I'm on it, don't bother God.

    • @razgriz821
      @razgriz821 3 года назад +3

      and the got executed by his own king. lol

    • @razgriz821
      @razgriz821 3 года назад +3

      @@mf.m6343 and you think kids arent named after caesar? Hell the name caesar was elevated to mean king or emperor in some countries. Besides, i dont give a shit about rome or crassus. It sucks to be killed by the people you pardoned, sure, but your very own king rewarding you with death for winning is worse. Lol

    • @razgriz821
      @razgriz821 3 года назад +1

      @@mf.m6343 true, worse than carrhae, haha. you seem to have a grudge against rome. But hey to each, their own. My interest in rome starts with july and ends with august.

    • @Rockzilla1122
      @Rockzilla1122 3 года назад

      @@mf.m6343 are you actually simping for a guy who died 2000 years ago

  • @Blacksmith__
    @Blacksmith__ 7 лет назад +531

    This is basically a precursor to the success of the Monghols. Nobody had a real tactical response to mass horseback archery.

    • @Blacksmith__
      @Blacksmith__ 7 лет назад +146

      And man was that a depressing end to Crassus' story. Can't say he didn't play a part in creating it, though.

    • @michaelpsellos2560
      @michaelpsellos2560 7 лет назад +38

      Bennett Harnisch watch lindybeiges video on this topic

    • @romulusnuma116
      @romulusnuma116 7 лет назад +4

      Which Lindybeiges video?

    • @holdinmcgroin8639
      @holdinmcgroin8639 7 лет назад +93

      He made strategic errors. He should've known that the strength of the Parthians was their adaptation to desert warfare. The Arabs and Mongols would later do the same.

    • @Taistelukalkkuna
      @Taistelukalkkuna 7 лет назад +17

      Marcus Antonius had more missile troops, to counter horsearchers, when he invaded.

  • @GenMaj_Knight
    @GenMaj_Knight 4 года назад +53

    4:52 "46,000 Armenians is a lot of Armenians."
    Turks: ...Unsubscribed.

  • @Bartooc
    @Bartooc 5 лет назад +2

    I am addicted to your videos. Thank you.

  • @FlawedFabrications
    @FlawedFabrications 7 лет назад +18

    This sounds like it would make a fucking awesome film.

    • @darkhero5296
      @darkhero5296 3 года назад +2

      It would.but the western media will never film anything making their ancestors look bad and weak.

  • @drgn2580
    @drgn2580 7 лет назад +22

    01:53 'Seriously he's kind of dumb and he doesn't know it'

  • @pcbros8671
    @pcbros8671 5 лет назад +51

    That was cheating, rules said max 4 horse archers

    • @pride2184
      @pride2184 4 года назад

      Max 2 in Rome 1 cwb rules and 31k

  • @HierophanticRose
    @HierophanticRose 6 лет назад +50

    While talking about mistakes of Crassus, which were many, let us not diminish the genius of General Surena

    • @frate9165
      @frate9165 5 лет назад +1

      His genius led to the enemy making mistakes. Interconnected

    • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
      @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 5 лет назад +1

      HAHAHAHAHAHA! GENIUS? THIS PUSSY WITH NO BALLS ARE YOU SERIOUS M8? YOU ARE IDIOT, NO A PROUD IDIOT, just like Crassus.

    • @gizel4376
      @gizel4376 5 лет назад +1

      Parth had different figthing style and a lot of preparation, they are on their territory and they got the suprise effect, Crassus just couldn't find a way to respond this, but i don't think we can call this genius.

    • @benshapiromemesarefunny8725
      @benshapiromemesarefunny8725 5 лет назад +2

      Septic Neuron That battle wasn’t fought by Surena though, he was executed before the Parthian counter attack. Plus, even you must admit that the infinite arrows was actually really smart, as well as adapting to Publius’s counter attack

    • @saeedvazirian
      @saeedvazirian 4 года назад +1

      @Septic Neuron Yeah wrath. Yawn. Was it wrath when the Persians decimated Antony or when they captured THE ROMAN FUCKING EMPEROR? Lol.

  • @ellllllo77
    @ellllllo77 5 лет назад +10

    “How about we just fight normally?”
    “..nah”
    *Rip*

  • @fademusic1980
    @fademusic1980 4 года назад +6

    "it started when he claimed victory for a war crassus won"
    even by todays standards I would be PISSED

  • @TheTariqibnziyad
    @TheTariqibnziyad 7 лет назад +28

    you know a Persian is angry when he asks you to get on a horse

  • @najib9093
    @najib9093 7 лет назад +148

    The Parthians definitely had a sense of humour lol

    • @Uroboro_Djinn
      @Uroboro_Djinn 5 лет назад +28

      I laughed so hard at "Crassus's triumph" with the prostitutes.

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 5 лет назад +5

      They also supposedly used Crassus’s head as a stage prop.

    • @teegamew766
      @teegamew766 5 лет назад +9

      Not for me. Not funny.

    • @CelticSaint
      @CelticSaint 5 лет назад +9

      @@Uroboro_Djinn Think of the guy they picked to play the role of Crassus! Poor bastard!

    • @yarpen26
      @yarpen26 4 года назад

      To me, what they did definitely shot above the threshold between the domain of "funny" and "horrendous".

  • @Bidmartinlo
    @Bidmartinlo 2 года назад +1

    Always listen to experienced or well educated military advisors... like there's a reason why they're there.

  • @aguy3082
    @aguy3082 5 лет назад +67

    He literally made every mistake possible. I think there's a roman proverb about making more than one mistake in war.