Instead of talking to people who want to tell you what you SHOULD believe, concentrate on YOU and YOUR feelings. Trying to "talk to the biblical jesus" won't work, because it will essentially be you talking to yourself through the filter of what you've been taught how jesus would interact with you. Spend time deconstructing what YOU know - look at the facts, not what people tell you that the facts mean. Get advice on all the different places to look for information, both for and against, but trust how YOU interpret all the information. Focus on the scientific method, logical fallacy, and human cognitive biases. Start with deconstructing your current beliefs and don't stop at Mormonism. If you are going to begin the journey of finding what you truly believe and if any of it holds water, go all the way. Mormonism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism, and the chain continues even beyond that. Don't fall for appeals to authority, follow what YOU believe and what makes YOU happy. If that means you stay in Mormonism, great. If that means you leave Mormonism but stay Christian, great. If that means you join another religion or become an atheist, great. In the end, you have to live with yourself 100% of your day and you need to be comfortable and confident in your own skin. It will take a long time and you don't need to rush it, and you shouldn't rush it. Take the time to digest and process all the bits of information. What are the implications, does it really support a conclusion one way or another or does it rely on the premise itself to be true in the first place, is the person providing this data doing it in good faith or are they leaving out important context? ALWAYS check the source yourself, especially if it is provided. This is a very important first step, simply being honest with yourself and allowing the possibility that things might not be what you have always thought they should be. Remember - the truth will always be the truth and will always hold up to scrutiny. If it doesn't withstand scrutiny, then it isn't the truth. "The lord works in mysterious ways" and "We just can't know in this life" are already assuming the premise is true before the evidence is collected and are not helpful explanations. Above all, again, be honest with yourself. Question everything and accept that sometimes you won't like the answer but that doesn't make the answer not true.
We use the term "faith crisis" too much and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It doesn't have to be a crisis. Think of post mormonism as a life progression, a growth. Whatever it was you think the mormon church provided, it is no longer worth living in a spiritual Stalinist Russia complete with thought crimes and having to confess those thought crimes to a bishop with an undue interest in what adults do and think when naked.
I've always felt that for 70-80% or more, membership in "the Church" is more of a social thing than a spiritual thing. Social pressure causes people to do a lot of things, including resisting change, complying with "authority," etc., etc. As an ecclesiastical hierarchy, if you can keep people constantly feeling guilty and not quite up to par, then you can expect more compliance, fewer questions, and more efforts for people trying to prove their "worth," and avoid their "unworthiness" by doing whatever you ask them to do. And you can maintain power and control by keeping "the flock" convinced of your moral, spiritual, and / or intellectual superiority.
if a person is following Christ to their best effort, they will not feel guilt, if a person reads the bom and bible regularly and goes to sunday school where we study it, they will not feel guilt, if a person tries to keep themselves unspotted from the world, the same. If a person tries to gain a testimony away from their siblings, friends and parents, a person, will not feel guilt and then a person will thrive and not get sucked into believing those things that others who find their voice and have to share it on venues like this and will feel happy and not unsettled.
TBM wives who stick with apostate husbands, deserve a very special place in heaven; Along with John Dehlin; may the God I no longer believe in bless you! On the other hand, Smith, Young, et al, deserve something very different.
Chelsea, you said, that you are grateful for people like John's channel. Are you kidding? John Dehlin only has one objective and one only. To pull people away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. To destroy their faith in truth. That's is his one and only objective.
Your personal opinion I became a Master Mason to answer my questions what I found was many of the same signs I found in Mormon temples I found in my lodge Joe Smith Expropriated Masonry for his own purposes.
@@montyjackson8156 there are similarities, as Joseph was a Mason, as were many upstanding men in those times, so he used some of the physical aspects of that to help people remember certain phrases etc in temple ceremonies, however the center of what we do in the temple has nothing to do with what masons do
I am struggling with my faith crisis. I need help someone I can talk to. Who understands
Instead of talking to people who want to tell you what you SHOULD believe, concentrate on YOU and YOUR feelings. Trying to "talk to the biblical jesus" won't work, because it will essentially be you talking to yourself through the filter of what you've been taught how jesus would interact with you.
Spend time deconstructing what YOU know - look at the facts, not what people tell you that the facts mean. Get advice on all the different places to look for information, both for and against, but trust how YOU interpret all the information. Focus on the scientific method, logical fallacy, and human cognitive biases. Start with deconstructing your current beliefs and don't stop at Mormonism. If you are going to begin the journey of finding what you truly believe and if any of it holds water, go all the way. Mormonism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism, and the chain continues even beyond that. Don't fall for appeals to authority, follow what YOU believe and what makes YOU happy. If that means you stay in Mormonism, great. If that means you leave Mormonism but stay Christian, great. If that means you join another religion or become an atheist, great. In the end, you have to live with yourself 100% of your day and you need to be comfortable and confident in your own skin.
It will take a long time and you don't need to rush it, and you shouldn't rush it. Take the time to digest and process all the bits of information. What are the implications, does it really support a conclusion one way or another or does it rely on the premise itself to be true in the first place, is the person providing this data doing it in good faith or are they leaving out important context? ALWAYS check the source yourself, especially if it is provided. This is a very important first step, simply being honest with yourself and allowing the possibility that things might not be what you have always thought they should be. Remember - the truth will always be the truth and will always hold up to scrutiny. If it doesn't withstand scrutiny, then it isn't the truth. "The lord works in mysterious ways" and "We just can't know in this life" are already assuming the premise is true before the evidence is collected and are not helpful explanations. Above all, again, be honest with yourself. Question everything and accept that sometimes you won't like the answer but that doesn't make the answer not true.
We use the term "faith crisis" too much and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It doesn't have to be a crisis. Think of post mormonism as a life progression, a growth. Whatever it was you think the mormon church provided, it is no longer worth living in a spiritual Stalinist Russia complete with thought crimes and having to confess those thought crimes to a bishop with an undue interest in what adults do and think when naked.
@@sevensickszero6112 Except the biblical jesus doesn't answer back, or make his presence known in any demonstrable or evidentiary way.
I am not mormon. But I will send you my best wishes. You are a human being 100% whether or not you are mormon.
Thank you for all your wonderful advice. I just feel lied to. Being told something is true for most of your life and it turns out to be a fraud
Damn. We're in the same boat right now. I think we're gonna be okay because my wife is stellar and super supportive!
I've always felt that for 70-80% or more, membership in "the Church" is more of a social thing than a spiritual thing. Social pressure causes people to do a lot of things, including resisting change, complying with "authority," etc., etc. As an ecclesiastical hierarchy, if you can keep people constantly feeling guilty and not quite up to par, then you can expect more compliance, fewer questions, and more efforts for people trying to prove their "worth," and avoid their "unworthiness" by doing whatever you ask them to do. And you can maintain power and control by keeping "the flock" convinced of your moral, spiritual, and / or intellectual superiority.
if a person is following Christ to their best effort, they will not feel guilt, if a person reads the bom and bible regularly and goes to sunday school where we study it, they will not feel guilt, if a person tries to keep themselves unspotted from the world, the same. If a person tries to gain a testimony away from their siblings, friends and parents, a person, will not feel guilt and then a person will thrive and not get sucked into believing those things that others who find their voice and have to share it on venues like this and will feel happy and not unsettled.
Is there anyway to get ahold of John dehlin I have so many questions
He’s a busy guy I’m sure but if you want a community of people in your similar circumstance to talk to, go to Reddit.com/r/exmormon
mormonstories@gmail.com
What kinds of questions do you have? Maybe I would know the answer.
Incredibly powerful interview.
If she doesn't let the man talk, things will end regardless
Getting people to hard-sell a product they don’t believe in? It’s a pretty crappy thing to do.
She keeps interrupting him.
TBM wives who stick with apostate husbands, deserve a very special place in heaven; Along with John Dehlin; may the God I no longer believe in bless you! On the other hand, Smith, Young, et al, deserve something very different.
Chelsea, you said, that you are grateful for people like John's channel. Are you kidding? John Dehlin only has one objective and one only. To pull people away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. To destroy their faith in truth. That's is his one and only objective.
Exactly!
And the more people that leave the church, or never join it in the first place, the better!!!
@@valeries3392 Right out of Satan's mouth.
Your personal opinion I became a Master Mason to answer my questions what I found was many of the same signs I found in Mormon temples I found in my lodge Joe Smith Expropriated Masonry for his own purposes.
@@montyjackson8156 there are similarities, as Joseph was a Mason, as were many upstanding men in those times, so he used some of the physical aspects of that to help people remember certain phrases etc in temple ceremonies, however the center of what we do in the temple has nothing to do with what masons do