Moral of the story: Healthy, fact-based, scientific-method-based skepticism, along with the ability to resist sunk-cost and confirmation bias fallacies, are the true spirit of discernment.
You can reject Mormonism and not reject God. The problem with Joseph Smith is that there is plenty of proof he was a false prophet. When you find that, you can either lose all faith or return to the Christianity of your ancestors pre-Joseph Smith.
@@bbob70 You say you can reject Mormonism and not reject God. Is that what you did? If so, how long were you an active Latter-day Saint before you left the Church? I am also interested to know what became of you after you left the Church. Are you now in a better situation than that of the faithful of 16 million Latter-day Saints so that they can follow your example?
I remember when this happened. There were several of us believers who chuckled at the notion that it was the Tanners who first figured out that Hoffman was a fraud. I loved the Tanner's passion for truth regardless which side the answer fell.
The only unconditional love I experienced growing up in our LDS home came from my dog! 🐕 I personally prefer the isolation over hanging out with people that would prefer I lie to them and myself instead of being a honest and authentic person. What kind of crazy is that? 🤪 No wonder I have trust issues. 🤣
John, I love how you interview! You actually let people talk, and you don’t try to restate what they are saying and twist it in a way that is not authentic to what they are saying. Personally, I can’t stand the Church and asked for excommunication in 1978. They did not follow through with my request until 1980 wherein the Bishop’s Court told me that if I ever change my mind you would be welcomed back. In other words at the time, you couldn’t just resign you had to be excommunicated.In other words, I didn’t do anything to cause an excommunication other than I asked for it. But now, when I say I was excommunicated everyone feels I did something against church teachings. That sucks!
It always amazes me how someone as interested in facts and truth as she is still remains Christian after figuring out Mormonism. The Bible is just as silly as the Book of Mormon.
The Bible is composed of genuinely ancient books. The Mormon scriptures are proven forgeries. The dangers of Joseph Smith is that he was actually leading people away from God by luring them with craziness.
Because the docs challenged the church's traditional origin story. Gordon B. Hinckley ordered that the docs be purchased and hidden "where they could never see the light of day."
Sandra Tanner, I’m having problems with my LDS Church. Can you or someone please guide me to someone to help me? The Bishop’s and leaders of my Church will not help me. Please let me know! Thank you very much ! 🌈
You can find so much info on RUclips. First read the Christian Bible cause every question you raise it’s in our Christian Bible. All different leaders pull out some of the words from the christian Bible and add to their book….I can guaranteed you this cause I’ve researched different religions….their leaders all shut down Jesus is God, died on the cross, and that He’s God. Just read the Bible and start on John Chapter and Hebrews. It literally goes back to many OT…God bless you for being curious…Jesus is very patient and waiting for all to come to Him. John 3:16/14:6….He’s the only way ans he’s the eternal life…❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽👍
Like you said brother John, there’s two sides of every story from an educated, but I do build America am I union Boilermaker? I work on power plants and oil refineries. But like I said, there’s two sides to every story and it’s usually the one that’s wrong that don’t want to hear the other side of the story. Or the evil side and who knows I might be excommunicated. Cause I ain’t hiding my name I am John Kaufman
Help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!’ I come to the Church with Logic. The LDS Church comes to me with lies, secret and insanity. I’m I in the twilight Zone ?
I don’t know I’ll look at that date. If you’re a profit from God, the president and profit and the 12 apostles and quorum of the 70. And if they’re praying, and they’re pondering, and they have a God, our father guiding them. Why they didn’t know. Saving a few lives in the process. I’m not educated I only have an eighth grade education. I only went one year of high school. But I built America and I don’t lie, and I do have faith in God and Jesus. But maybe not in the leader ship of the church anymore.
And if all the leaders from the church from Joseph Smith to now being an honest and hiding, I love the church. But I feel betrayed, and I don’t trust anyone except my family and God. Thank God. now, seeing all this stuff that I started to be more active in the church right now. yes, Beyond asked I’ve never been through the temple and now I don’t know if I want to. I know a lot of Masons I don’t know if they were latter-day Saints, but they told me stuff about the Masons and after watching investigating.. that they wanted me to go to the temple and get my endowment. And I’m saying all this I might as well just go join a motorcycle game or what they caught which I know a lot of Mormons latter-day Saints that belong to a motorcycle clubs as they call it, not a gang. Like the Crips and the bloods I’m street smart and I think I’ve been conned by one of the biggest cons in American history
These interviews have had me riveted. Sandra and Gerald Tanner’s insights into the mind of a fraudster are fascinating. 🌟
Met her in line for lunch at Sunstone in 2017. Got a chance to chat with her. It was great. Thank God for Sandra and Jerald.
Time for a documentary about her and Gerald. Rock Stars of the Mormon truth movement.
Moral of the story:
Healthy, fact-based, scientific-method-based skepticism, along with the ability to resist sunk-cost and confirmation bias fallacies, are the true spirit of discernment.
@@gomerpyle7721 Exactly. You are one of the few who got the correct subtle messaging.
You can reject Mormonism and not reject God. The problem with Joseph Smith is that there is plenty of proof he was a false prophet. When you find that, you can either lose all faith or return to the Christianity of your ancestors pre-Joseph Smith.
@@bbob70 You say you can reject Mormonism and not reject God.
Is that what you did? If so, how long were you an active Latter-day Saint before you left the Church? I am also interested to know what became of you after you left the Church. Are you now in a better situation than that of the faithful of 16 million Latter-day Saints so that they can follow your example?
@@bbob70 yup. I did a 180° turn and went to Catholicism. Long story.
It’s incredible to me that the Tanners had more integrity than the Church when I’ve been taught all my life how terrible the Tanners were. Just crazy.
I remember when this happened. There were several of us believers who chuckled at the notion that it was the Tanners who first figured out that Hoffman was a fraud. I loved the Tanner's passion for truth regardless which side the answer fell.
The only unconditional love I experienced growing up in our LDS home came from my dog! 🐕 I personally prefer the isolation over hanging out with people that would prefer I lie to them and myself instead of being a honest and authentic person. What kind of crazy is that? 🤪 No wonder I have trust issues. 🤣
I always wondered why a prophet would not be warned by God that it’s a fraud ! But knowing how dodgy JS etc was - I see why they wanted to cover up
John, I love how you interview! You actually let people talk, and you don’t try to restate what they are saying and twist it in a way that is not authentic to what they are saying. Personally, I can’t stand the Church and asked for excommunication in 1978. They did not follow through with my request until 1980 wherein the Bishop’s Court told me that if I ever change my mind you would be welcomed back. In other words at the time, you couldn’t just resign you had to be excommunicated.In other words, I didn’t do anything to cause an excommunication other than I asked for it. But now, when I say I was excommunicated everyone feels I did something against church teachings. That sucks!
of all the players of church history, the Tanners are the most professional and honest, and have the most integrity
Great interview! Really enjoyed learning more about this.
It always amazes me how someone as interested in facts and truth as she is still remains Christian after figuring out Mormonism. The Bible is just as silly as the Book of Mormon.
The Bible is composed of genuinely ancient books. The Mormon scriptures are proven forgeries. The dangers of Joseph Smith is that he was actually leading people away from God by luring them with craziness.
@@bbob70 This terrifies me greatly. I love the lord so much he is enough. Moromanism is a book by Satan.
I have to say amen sister Tanner, and it must’ve been hard for you and your family. And I believe that God, our father will bless you and your family.
I love Sandra Tanner, God keep her safe!
Question: Why would the church purchase & then hide the docs?
Good question. I would say to further an agenda by higher positions.
Because the docs challenged the church's traditional origin story. Gordon B. Hinckley ordered that the docs be purchased and hidden "where they could never see the light of day."
@@randyjordan5521 💯
Sandra Tanner, I’m having problems with my LDS Church. Can you or someone please guide me to someone to help me? The Bishop’s and leaders of my Church will not help me. Please let me know! Thank you very much ! 🌈
You can find so much info on RUclips. First read the Christian Bible cause every question you raise it’s in our Christian Bible. All different leaders pull out some of the words from the christian Bible and add to their book….I can guaranteed you this cause I’ve researched different religions….their leaders all shut down Jesus is God, died on the cross, and that He’s God. Just read the Bible and start on John Chapter and Hebrews. It literally goes back to many OT…God bless you for being curious…Jesus is very patient and waiting for all to come to Him. John 3:16/14:6….He’s the only way ans he’s the eternal life…❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽👍
Shawn Mccraney, RUclips
@@nl9490 pp
It is obvious that Hoffman learned his con in the Mormon Church...
I do see God's hand working here, unfortunately for the church it's for the Tanners and not for them.
Because he was the devil in sheep’s clothing
Like you said brother John, there’s two sides of every story from an educated, but I do build America am I union Boilermaker? I work on power plants and oil refineries. But like I said, there’s two sides to every story and it’s usually the one that’s wrong that don’t want to hear the other side of the story. Or the evil side and who knows I might be excommunicated. Cause I ain’t hiding my name I am John Kaufman
¿A Salamander in a angel?😲..¿And the true apostles of Jesus validating it?😵💫
Bro I’d love to see a talking salamander.
No ody believed you 😂 now thats devine intervention! 😉😁36:50ish
Help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!’ I come to the Church with Logic. The LDS Church comes to me with lies, secret and insanity. I’m I in the twilight Zone ?
I don’t know I’ll look at that date. If you’re a profit from God, the president and profit and the 12 apostles and quorum of the 70. And if they’re praying, and they’re pondering, and they have a God, our father guiding them. Why they didn’t know. Saving a few lives in the process. I’m not educated I only have an eighth grade education. I only went one year of high school. But I built America and I don’t lie, and I do have faith in God and Jesus. But maybe not in the leader ship of the church anymore.
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And if all the leaders from the church from Joseph Smith to now being an honest and hiding, I love the church. But I feel betrayed, and I don’t trust anyone except my family and God. Thank God. now, seeing all this stuff that I started to be more active in the church right now. yes, Beyond asked I’ve never been through the temple and now I don’t know if I want to. I know a lot of Masons I don’t know if they were latter-day Saints, but they told me stuff about the Masons and after watching investigating.. that they wanted me to go to the temple and get my endowment. And I’m saying all this I might as well just go join a motorcycle game or what they caught which I know a lot of Mormons latter-day Saints that belong to a motorcycle clubs as they call it, not a gang. Like the Crips and the bloods I’m street smart and I think I’ve been conned by one of the biggest cons in American history
Hinckley & Cpmpany
the Tanners were scam artists. they detected another scam artist.