Ascaso Steel Uno vs. Steel Duo | Crew Comparison
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Hi, does anyone else have an issue with vibration and the cup etc moving across the drip tray when pulling an espresso. Thanks
Any one know how the steam pressure on these compares to breville barista pro and dual boiler respectively?
Regarding the heat-up time for the steam, I think you have to consider that you are using 110 Volt in the US. In european reviews of the ascaso Steel Uno PID, it takes "just" approx. 1 Minute to get it up to temp for steaming (220V). Yes, that's longer as for a dual boiler or E61, but it's OK for home use IMHO. On the other hand, the Ascasos have a great temperature stability from shot to shot. Very exact and very stable during the shot too. The only downside with the Steel Uno is, that it takes long to cool down after steaming milk. So if you are changing a lot between Espresso and milk drinks, the Duo will probably be the better choice. But if you are just making 2 Cappucino in the morning, and then some espressi after a a few hours (you can even turn it off until you need it again), the Uno is a great choice.
USA is 120v
Could anybody advice and compare quality of espresso from that machine with Profitec 300 and 600?
Modern thermoblock with alu pipes seems perfect solution but has it negative or positive influence to espresso?
The ascaso with thermocoils are more tempstable then boilermachines, but lack a bit of steampower. The new version with improved steamingpower ander instant steam should be more than enough in home use.
I’ve got the duo and although I can make some great coffee on it, I’ve got a fair bit of experience. The biggest issue is the no option for a manual brew. The timed shot, as shown in the video, isn’t well implemented. The shots are very inconsistent in length and quantity and the volumetric doesn’t work as it should. For me, I have to manually hold the brew switch for 30+ seconds. The build quality is nowhere near the likes of Rocket and Bezzera for the same money and I’m not sure it will run for 7 years without a hitch like my Bezzera BZ10.
Thank you for showing the steaming performance. It confirms how underpowered/slow it is (including the duo). The most telling sign is when you were trying to purge the steam wand on the duo and nothing happened during the wipe. I really wanted a duo to replace my BES870XL but these Ascasos are a hard pass for me.
@madrubicon: good catch. Hard-pass for me too. I have a BE Pro and I’m very happy with it (coming from an Express), but always looking for at what is out there.
Was think to move from Breville to this because my breville DB has had endless leaks but ya the steam performs seems pretty bad on these in this video
Ooohhh I just heard they have a fix coming out that adds 25% to the streaming power. That vid led me here
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What did you end up going to for your new machine? TIA
When will the duo be in stock?
What grinder do you use?
On the double can you brew and steam at the same time?
Yes
Great video comparo, thanks! Is the OPV adjustable on these machines to dial in brew pressure?
Yes OPV easily adjustable with instant feedback from the manometer. I’ve cranked it up and use grind to dial in brew pressure though.
@@stefdriver could you mod this to work like pressure profiling during your shot?
@@jlyt18 maybe if you were so motivated! The PID also has pre-infusion.
What was that dripping noise I heard right before the shot was coming out and throughout the shot?
The OPV
could you flip the switch to turn on the steam block while still pulling a shot on the duo? Or do you have to wait to turn it on?
I was thinking the same Thing
Yes, Duo may brew coffee and froth milk in same time. It has two separates thermoblocks.
What espresso bean do you use ?
ehhh idk some of this is some ...interesting technique.. wonder if some of it is user error , those shot pulls were lacking
The uno is really a one drink machine . That would drive me nuts waiting all that time
What I can’t understand is why does the thermal block take so much time to heat up? Thermal blocks are typically faster to heat than a comparable single boiler system i would think.
@@ThorMaxx it’s not that bad. 90 seconds to go from 90C to 165C which allows me to bang out the puck and get the milk out of the fridge. The part I don’t like is waiting for it to cool if you are making more than two milk based coffees.
that milk steaming was very very very painful to hear
Oh man... to gauge what they're like, the steam on them both were horrible, you hit the switch on the steel and it didn't even purge.. this sucks as i was under the impression that it was half decent.
With the new update steamingpower is now ok
Because these machines run volumetrically, with a sensor BEFORE the over pressure valve, you cannot rely on the volumetrics when engaging the OPV. The shot needs to be better dialed to not engage the OPV, so you get consistent volumes. It was not the machines fault that the duo pulled short.
Is the duo consistently pulling short? Gracious to call it a ristretto once.
It was actually just too fine a grind. Needed to dial it in better as both were running very slow.
That took a really long time to steam milk.
I think it really depends on your needs. For my own home use it really does not matter if steaming milk takes 60 instead of 20 seconds, especially if this kind of thermoblock machine is ready within a few minutes. Overall you still wait longer on any E61 boiler machine and steaming milk faster is not going to cut it.
What I keep forgetting is that we are better off in Europe with 220 Volts at 16 A and it was striking to see how long an electric kettle takes to boil water at 110 V. But would this not mean that the traditional E61 boilers also take twice as long to heat up for you?
You can get a profitec pro 300 for the same price and have boilers. So you have too heat up 5-10 min and then you can pull shots and steam milk at the same time without waiting. I dont like ascaso Maschines. At the sound and milk you see the steam power is too low. Too build up pressure u need a boiler too steam perfekt. you cant only heat up water trought a termoblock. You will never get that power that you want at that price range. With my pro 300 i have 1.4 bar of pressure and can go up to 1,8-2Bar if i want. You need min 1,4 Bar too get the milk rolling.
Well, depending on the usage, it often doesn't make sense to heat up 2 boilers. Especially for the use at home. A E61 oder dual boiler machine takes at least 20-25 minutes until it's at the right temperature. In that time, you already have your cappucino ready with the Ascasos. Even if steaming the milk is taking longer. If you are drinking 3-4 coffes during the day, the energy consumption of a E61 oder dual boiler is massive, while you could even power off the Ascasos between the shots. Regarding the lower steam power: in the end you still get a good quality milk foam, even if it takes longer. Yes, the ascasos are not for commercial use, where it's really neccesary to have a lot of steam power all day long. But that's not what the Ascasos are designed for. In general - that's a fact for all Thermoblocks, you always have fresh water in your brew, in your hot water outlet, and your steam, while you often have "old" whater in your E61 or dual boiler machines, that is re-heated multiple times. Maintenance (e.g. descaling) is also much easier with thermoblocks.
@@hifimacianer @Björn Schön Thanks, I totally agree E61 boilers are no good fit for home use and I have absolutely no issues producing perfect milk foam with my Breville/Sage Bambino Plus which probably has the tiniest Thermoblock. The Bambino gets one of the best ratings for power consumption (A+) and my measurement confirmed it. This is perfect if you are only pulling 2-3 shots in the morning and a few more over the day/afternoon. Now I am considering the upgrade to the Ascaso Steel Uno which seems like a logical next step and should cover all you can wish for with PID, shot timer and volumetric control.
Is it possible to play with latte art with this machine?
7:36…meanwhile the espresso shot is dead and much too cold …..
2200$ for a thermoblock machine 🤔 Maybe I'm missing something
inflation
Yes we are missing an explanation of what changed in this new version, to justify $400 price increase (beyond inflation).
It’s a nice machine but I hardly see the advantage over a Breville equivalent. What am I missing??
@@cpg8000 Ascaso uses professional sized brewing group, easy to repair and made in Spain. Will last decades with proper maintenance. Not sure about Breville made in China.
@@stefdriver you make some good points. Thanks for the response.
who cares about silly latte art?? it's all about the coffee.
Why not sip in style?
Wow. I was watching this thinking you really knew what you were talking about.. and then I heard you steam those milk pitchers....... and Wow. I know this is a machine review and not a technique tutorial, but im Sorry to say that because of it he Instantly lost credibility from me.
No purging of the steam wand before starting to froth milk - not good