Ascaso Steel Duo PID V2 Review!
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The Ascaso Steel Duo PID is a stylish and compact home espresso machine that allows for simultaneous brewing and steaming thanks to it's dual thermoblock heating configuration (hence the name DUO). But is this new version of the Ascaso Steel Duo PID all good looks? Or does it have performance and features to match? In this review, we take a close look at the updated Ascaso Duo PID V2, and find out exactly that!
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0:00 - Intro
0:33 - Disclaimer
0:51 - Build Quality
1:49 - Design
2:20 - User Experience
4:59 - Espresso Quality
6:34 - Steaming Performance
8:23 - Conclusion
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Thank you for your excellent review. You recommend an IMS 20 g basket for the Steel Duo. Can you provide a link for the specific basket you are recommending? Also, is there a compatible distributor/tamper (model and size) that you would recommend?
Perhaps worth noting that the requirement for a power socket capable of 20A will apply in the US with 110v circuits, but as the UK uses 240v (220v in Europe) a standard 13A socket will be fine given the total power requirement is 2100W (2100W / 240v = 8.75A).
Thanks for clearing that up. Virtually impossible to find a 20A circuit in Australia.
I don't understand that lol but I'm in Korea so it's the same 220-240. So you say it should be good?
@@devw4967 As long as your standard socket can supply 9A minimum you should be good, yes.
EU often uses 220-250V.
which is considered the safe range, anything above it and the fuses can break due overcurrent
I was curious about this machine. Thanks so much for the thorough review!
Great review as always... We were really interested in getting this updated version but finally settled for Ascaso Dream PID (price difference mainly)...thank you!
Stoked to finally see this review. This machine and the uno deserve more attention. Saturated/non-E61 groupheads are the future. Love the mention of aesthetics and competitive machines in the same price bracket. I went into Seattle Coffee Gear a few months ago ready to walk out with a Duo, but alas they didn't stock it, so they lost my potential impulse buy haha. If Ascaso put a group head heater on it, like their Baby T and the BDB, it would be perfect. In the end, I saved for months and just snagged a Decent De1 Pro.
I thought it had an electrically heated grouphead?
Amazing really considering this machine. The warm up time the thermoblock is quick. I’ll be sipping on my latte before a pro x boiler is heated up.
I've been looking at this machine for a while, but the low steam power put me off. It's good to hear that they've improved it. I would have loved to hear about the energy usage. Part of the benefit of a thermal block system is that it uses a lot less energy than a boiler. Especially with energy costs going up, this could be a big money saver
Ascaso has a study they did comparing energy use to HX and DB machines on their website.
Have had the V1 Steel Duo for a year and had my local store update the steaming of the machine to V2 with a conversion kit that was released simultaneously with the new machine. Overall I'm very happy with our Ascaso and can second basically everything you've mentioned, great review! But here's another three small things from my experience over a year of daily use that I might add: a) two perks over a similarly priced boiler machine apart from the quick warmup times are the fact that the thermoblock will always use fresh water directly from the tank. So especially in an americano or tea you won't have an off taste from the water having been heated and reheated several times. AND it's a lot more power efficient as well. b) man, the polished surfaced on top and below the group head may be beautiful at first, but that's where you put the cups. which (in our case) are made of ceramics. which scratches steel, especially with a vibration pump which causes the cups to move (quite a bit in our case). So by now it's mostly a scratched up mess and i just wish they had brushed the steel instead. c) and finally the slope of the cup rack (in combination with the vibration) is annoying as well, because cups will move to the back of their own volition and then group up there and start to rattle....
The idea of setting the single shot to purge has been a game changer! Now i can consistently set my shots and purge in- between without losing any settings! Thank you!
I can’t take credit for the idea, but boy is it a game changer!
"single shot to purge" can someone explain please?
@@rxonmymind8362 when you stop pulling a shot, the change in pressure can draw coffee and oils into your machine. One method to deal with this is to run your machine after to force those coffee bits and oils out, and you can use the "1 shot" option to push out the same amount of water each time. Really fancy machines will do this automatically when you take out the portafilter.
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Thanks.
@@frewert1969 which machines have this option automatically?
I have this machine and absolutely love it! The steam, as you said, is not amazing but I tend to drink americanos any so that's no big deal. Would love to see a video on the Baby T if you ever have the chance - I see it as my end game but I haven't seen many in depth reviews of it. Thanks for the video!
Thank you very much for the in depth review and honest thoughts. I noticed when comparing this machine to the pro 300 in the case of steaming you said that if you make back to back shots and steam you should think about other options. That is the beautiful about these thermoblock machines. Steaming time for 1 cup of milk might be 30-40 seconds. BUT, you can keep steaming back to back to back with no difference in steaming pressure. Unlike the pro 300 which after two steams back to back you’re gonna have to wait for the boiler to reheat. So yes I agree, home boiler machines in the same price range can steam faster but I don’t think they can do them back to back to the same extinct the steel duo PID can.
That is a interesting difference. Its like comparing 2 negatives. On dual boiler, you make them fast and wait, OR with thermoblock make them slow and wait...LOL. Maybe the take away from these steamers is to not have too many guests?
I would love this machine so much ! Such a good looking machine !
After a load of research this is now my dream machine. But cant afford it (yet) Beautiful ❤, PID , dual thermo block, real wood accents, side accessed reservoir, comes in WHITE etc
You are the man!! Finally a good review of the V2. Thank you so much! But I’m still left with one big factor for me, and that is the potential chirping sound if you adjust the (easy to reach!) OPV below 9 bars, lets say to 7 bars. Maybe you could make a short of that? A lot of people are wandering that. You would help me tremendously! Thanks again and keep up the good work!
I didn’t experience any chirping on the new version, even when choking the machine fully
Great video - on my list for further review.
Great video! This one takes top spot on my list. Thanks for showing the plug!! I can't tell you how many times I googled how to tell if the plug is 20amps in my kitchen. Still haven't figured it out. 🙃
Need to look in your breaker box!
The breakers will likely say how many amps they are rated for :)
Thank you for the video. Ended up purchasing one and loving it so far!! Big americano drinker and love the added spout for hot water, quick and easy. Upgraded from a Breville Bambino Plus. Definitely went down the rabbit hole buying accessories to improve my espresso gam as well. 😂😂😂
Congrats on the new machine!
I’m thinking of doing exactly the same. I have Bambino Plus. Did you find the Ascaso to have a big learning curve?
You compared this machine to the profitec 300 and the rancilio pro x-did you consider the Lelit Elizabeth also? I have one and I’m very happy with it, especially the steaming power.
There is no doubt I picked up the machine from this video on the Seattle coffee gear open box page
do the lelit bianca next!! (please 😂)
I’ve yet to see someone compare that to the decent in a video, both of which seem to be the top contending machines for a lot of people looking to go for an end game prosumer set up
Mine didn’t come with the turned outlet prong……? Is just normal plug. Even if my kitchen has the sideways one. Hmmmm.
THANK YOU for just saying HOLD THE SINGLE DOUBLE to program the shots. It was not in the summaries. And no one who has done a review mentions that. And it’s set for like 12 seconds out of the box including the pre infusion which was horrid.
So THANK YOU. I love it.
I wanted a la Marzocco all my life and ended up actually changing to this last min. And this exceeds my expectations and to be honest it changed my whole outlook on the need to NOT spend $10 grand. Which I am sure is nice. But. I wanted them more when no one had it. Now it’s everywhere. And I actually find this machine more Sleek and timeless. Love the industrial luxury look.
Was looking at the older version before I got my barista pro. I have no complaints about the Pro. But, this is downright sexy. It maybe the next one..
Before you upgrade your machines, Upgrade your beans 6:31 👏 Brilliant !
Glad somebody appreciated my cheesy line 😏
I bought this machine a few months ago and unfortunately had to send it back. I received a faulty unit (steaming not working) so I had a change of heart and bought a Lelit MaraX in black with maple wood. For the brief time I had the DUO I must admit that by the looks alone the machine is a home run. It’s imo one of the nicest looking espresso machines out there that doesn’t have a E61 group head. I think only the LM Micra is nicer looking. I didn’t like the tamper it comes with and like mentioned here the lack of a good filter basket for 18g doses. The portafilter with the walnut handle is so beautiful. The machine made really good espresso, just mine had a malfunction with the steaming element. It packs all the desired features like PID, easy adjustable OPV to play with brew pressure, shot timer, Barista lights, hot water spout, easy access to water tank on the side among other things… at the end I’m happy with my decision going with the MaraX instead but I still consider this machine an excellent choice if you’re not into E61 machines.
Hi I would like to buy lelit maraX too, still torn between manual like flair 58, heat exchanger
Iike lelit marax or dual boiler like breville. I rarely drink milk based coffee tho hope u can enlightenment me.
I don’t have any experience using manual like Flair so can’t comment about it but I prefer a complete machine with heating elements. I come from a Breville machine and got tired of the appliance look with all the plastic and less commercial feeling- main reason for me wanting to upgrade. I had not initially considered E61 style machines that’s why I went with the Ascaso DUO, but then I saw the Lelit MaraX and I just liked it so much that bought it and so far I’m loving it. If you don’t drink much milk drinks still MaraX will be an amazing tool to make great espresso. Just keep in mind that at that price point pretty much every machine will give you the ability to make great espresso but it all will depend on the quality of your grinder. They say better invest in a good quality grinder before buying an expensive espresso machine. For me the looks of the machine has a lot of weight on my decision making process. I love the looks of my black maple wood MaraX. Hope you find what you’re looking for!
Lelit Elizabeth or this?
I used to say I dont do milk based so I dont care about the steam, 2 years in, and now its all about cappuccinos! Also, most other in the house and visits are also cappuccinos. SO I do my own espresso shots between :-) What I want to say is, Dont buy a machine that is going cost your hard work money with something that might change in taste. While I like a lot about this machine, almost 1 minute for steaming 1 drink is a bit long. BUT, it does have temp at the grouphead, which other machines lack, and the water will be straight from the fressh pitcher, not heated chamber. You can bipass this by running the water a bit, but, it is a plus. @@caesienyang
Honestly, even an aesthetic wooden knob to plop on top of the green power button on the side for the original would be nice.
I don't know what it is with this machine, but I keep going back to your review on this one.
It's a pretty looking one 👀 stayed on my counter for a good long while
If one shot is programed on the duo and the other is manual do you have to hold the manual down or is it a simple toggle on/off?
If you program a longer duration can it be stopped by toggling off?
How is the vibration/noise level on the duo?
I was deciding between this machine and the BDB. The ascaso has it beat in looks but it seem to me that the BDB has better features and flexibility.
Your thoughts?
Thanks
I'm a Steel DUO PID V2 user for 2 months now and would like to share my 2cent on this machine:
Pros:
Good looking (after all it will sit nicely in your kitchen or bar table)
Great controls and features (PID/Preinfusion/Steam Temp)
OPV easy to adjust externally
Coffee extraction is great
Relatively small sized
Heats up fast from cold start (
Mine came with a scratch on the front painted panel like a little piece chipped off small but annoying and the walnut pf handle also had a scratch. I don’t think they pack up the machine that well. It was not double boxed like I have experienced from other manufacturers. All that not a deal breaker for me but I had to send it back due to steaming malfunction. It’s a great looking machine but I did not like the cup warming top being so ridiculously hot and also cups sliding from the vibration. Another thing it bothered me was that for some reason the puck was not that well dried after extraction. No machine is perfect but those were some annoying things I experienced.
@@CarlosVargas-js8qz wow wet puck also occurred to me, I thought it was my problem only... seems there are still room for improvement to justify the price tag!
Wet puck is not uncommon. Using a screen helps a lot. The does is often less on the deeper baskets and you will get a wet puck here and there. Great feedback on your experience. I read enough of the cups and vibrations to not have a regrest and desire for this machine,....and with steam delay, its not something I would go after. But has some nice strong advancements. I am super happy with my machine now. I thought I would drink mainly espresso, but now, more lattes and cappuccinos, so, very glad I didnt go for this. Steam for me now takes about 10 seconds for a latte.@@CarlosVargas-js8qz
Something to note: most modern kitchens are wired to have 20a gcfi circuits. However, the outlets themselves are 15a gcfi. Double check your cirtcuit breaker but you *should* be good to go off the bat. You *may* just need to change out your outlet where you want the Ascaso to live.
Its interesting point...My kitchen counter has 5 outlets across the long counter, and it is a 20amp breaker, and I have two 20amp gcfi outlets, but my La Spaziale on 20Amp draw trips the gcfi outlet(not breaker). But luckily it has a switch for 15amp or 20amp, and on 15amp, it does not trip. I want to leave it on 20amp, but the gcfi trips, not the breaker. Weird. I did get a cord converter so I can plug it into a standard 15amp outlet. but I had the wiring link to the gcfi so they are protected, and they will also trip, LOL. WTfrappuccino do I do?!!
One very nice feature is you can adjust the pressure easily with a screwdriver.
Hi I would like to buy lelit maraX too, still torn between manual like flair 58, heat exchanger
Iike lelit marax or dual boiler like breville. I rarely drink milk based coffee tho hope u can enlightenment me.
Could you link the IMS filter basket that you found to work well. I am unsure of what specific model to go with after looking up filter baskets. I found the IMS B702TCH26E as well as the B702TH26.5M on sites stating they worked for 18/20g capacity.
I was out of my depth with looking into some of the options for rounded vs convex shaped baskets and hole patterns on the base, so I would appreciate knowing what specifically worked for you!
Do you know the pre infusion pressure is the same or setup lower?
I'm sure the grid feels more solid because it's not removable, however I like to throw the grid in the dishwasher twice or three times a year, plus i'll move the grate so I can put my scale on the bottom in the event I need more room under the group head. I really like this one for home because it doesn't use a storage boiler and has a dedicated steam thermoblock that even the Baby-T uses a steam boiler. I like the look of a steam lever though, do you think this machine could be fitted with a lever? Didn't the previous model use an on-off toggle to use the steam which couldn't be configured to use a level? Thanks for the review.
Hi thanks for this updated review I’ve been waiting for some one knowledgeable to do this,
It’s on my list of possible machines along with the Bezzera Crema de pid, and Profitec 300 you had mentioned, do you have any experience of the Bezzera ? Would be nice to see an updated review of the crema as it to comes in black, steel or white with wood accents and around the same price , cheers thanks for the review,
I don’t have any experience with Bezzera yet unfortunately
I think choices between these machines will really come down to what kind of capacity you need. If you’re only making a few drinks daily, this Ascaso is MORE than enough for 99% of people. Others like the Profitec 300 and Bezzera will have far more capacity, but do you need it? If not, you’re just heating up big boilers every day for no reason 😬
@@LifestyleLab_ hi thanks for the reply funny you should mention the heating up a big boiler issue, I sort of had a look In to this , the Bezzera, crema is 1300 watts compared to the Ascaso steel duo pid 2100 watts so I did some calculations having Both machines on for half an hour per day over a year span the Bezzera with its bigger boiler and more powerful steam wand works out cheaper to run, both machines are the same price , that’s one reason I can’t make my mind up as to which one to buy . Thanks for you input ,
The Ascaso is FAR more energy efficient than a traditional boiler machine like the Bezzera. You can’t just run calculations with peak energy usage.
If energy consumption is a concern, that should push you heavily towards the Ascaso
Thank you for a great review! That was extremely helpful.
One question:
what are the visual cues to understand that you're buying an updated Steel Duo PID V2 version (vs V1)?
I found that most of the online shops don't mention the version on their pages.
Biggest hint will be the wooden steam knob :)
He mentioned it in the video, just as you see his ear glowing red like a devil horn,(just giving him a hard time, lol) he mentions it @4:27
I've been keen on this Duo V2 model for a while now however I'm also keen to compare it with the Quickmill Luna which seems to be a very similar machine. Do you have any thoughts about which machine actually performs better including steaming milk comparison? Not sure if the Luna has it over the Duo V2 or not? Cheers Steph.
Likely the Luna. Not used it, but the steaming on this is pretty "held back". Also, Quickmil is a maker with easy parts. I dont know if Ascaso uses standard parts like ECM and others.
Additionally, are repairmen familiar with this machine? Will it be hard to get it serviced in the future?
are the shots time programmed or volumetrically programmed? its never clear
Thanks for the great review! I'm curious - how did you program the 2 cup to go for as long as it can? I'd prefer to dose by weight as well, just not quite sure how to get that programming. Seen @ 4:06.
I just held it down for a really really long time 😂
@@LifestyleLab_ I sorta did thest earlier but just held it until I wanted my pull to be done. It'd be worth doing an empty run to do something like 60s so I don't have to hold and can just flick when I want to be done. Good call! Thanks 👍
Nice video!
Will you test the Ascaso Steel DUO PID Plus in the future? That would be awesome too.😊
It was featured in our video from HOST this year!
I doubt I'll bring one into the studio because the upgrades over this machine are mostly cosmetic. The steam lever is very nice
Could a person make a custom metal or some non plastic reservoir and replace the plastic one? Or is there a sensor in the machine that will not allow a shot to be pulled if the sensor does not identify some design element of the plastic reservoir it has?
Would be no problem designing your own reservoir if you wanted
Nice looking machine, but I don’t like that the drip tray cover isn’t removable. I see a real problem with coffee residue, making it tough to clean.
its a good point. It will drip through and channel across the underside, then need to wipe inside that narrow space to try and clean the top area. Not the end all, but for some folks that can be annoying. Yet , it is an advantage to not remove the tray to refill water, so a plus there. Also, you can simply wipe the top tray and be done. It is water that goes to the sink drain. Not a big deal. Other issues of this machine are more important.
I settled on the Ascaso Baby T Plus and I'm pretty happy with it. Did you have any issue with the water tank vibrating out a bit during brewing?
No, that’s not something I ever experienced
A couple other have mentioned how the vibe pump is a issue, as the cups start moving back from top, and one person has to hold the shot while pulling a shot as it vibrates so much. maybe a QC issue or just a bad mount design or pump model.
So does it just take longer to steam milk, or is the steamed milk/froths quality not up to par? I drink only milk drinks, but can wait the extra few seconds -- but I want a high quality froth.
Absolutely great texture, as you saw I actually said I was getting along unusually well with it from a latte art perspective :)
Great machine, can you leave the lights on when the machine is off?
Unfortunately not, that would be a cool idea
I have the option to get one of these (v2 model) for $1000 used or I could go with a breville dual boiler for $1000 used, which option would you personally take?
I would take the Ascaso
How does the quality of the espresso taste (say a traditional medium/dark espresso blend ) compare to a similarly priced E61 HX machine like an ECM Mechanika?
Taste will be completely dependent on the grinder you pair with it. I’d challenge anyone to tell the difference between machines running the same grinder and same filter baskets. Machine choice is more down to features set and form factor
How about the issues with the volumetric measurements of the shot ? I see some reviews and this system seem to be very problematic and something that you can't rely on
Volumetric shots will have limitations on any machine. It’s not a hyper-precise method of shot programming. Better than simply timed dosing, not as good as gravimetric, somewhere in the middle.
Generally good for +/- 5g if your puck prep is very consistent
You use a 20g basket for your espresso ? So 1:2 ration thats 40ml, thats a big shot and a lot of caffeine! However if you use 15g baskets you can extract more by grinding finer !
Thanks again for another great review. A question: is there a way to see the steam temperature as you are steaming or at any point on the PID display? I would appreciate any info in this regard.
Yes, the steam temperature can be viewed and adjusted with the display. This is an update on the new version :)
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for your prompt response. But whenever I have seen on RUclips anybody steaming on the Duo, there seems to show the brew temperature. Do you need to push one of the buttons to display the actual steam temperature.?
Steam temperature doesn’t show while steaming. Only when setting the temp
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks again for your prompt response.
@@LifestyleLab_ Watching a German youtube clip, I learned that the per-infusion programming actually have a second option that you seem not to be aware of. Apart from setting the duration of it from 0 to 5 seconds, you can also changed the time the pump stops. That number 0 at the left of your display when you were showing how to change the pre-infusion duration, can also be change with the left button up to 5 seconds. I thought you would want to know.
Would love to see a Review of BEZZERA BZ10 & BEZZERA MAGICA e61
Is that flat knob on the side of the machine hard to grasp? I feel like it's too flat to get a good grip?
No, totally easy and nice to use. It isn’t flush to the machine
Is it possible to upgrade it with a dual hole steam tip? Would it be worth it?
If the steam power isn’t that high to begin with, you generally shouldn’t add more holes.
I'm a bit confused with the pressure Guage it shoots up to 11bar is it not ment Tobe 9bar?
Pump pressure does not equal brew pressure at the puck :)
Interesting layout
Very compelling machine. What's holding me back is the thermoblock(coil) technology. Specifically, when compared to boiler machines, does thermoblock(coil) technology (1) reduce the quality and consistency of the shots produced; and (2) result in machines that are less reliable and with a shorter lifespan? Interested in your expert views on this?
Absolutely doesn’t impact the quality of the shots negatively. The Decent DE1 also uses thermoblocks and it’s a very high-end reliable machine.
Thermoblocks to have the POTENTIAL to be more vulnerable to scale buildup, but if taken care of properly (as any machine should) it will absolutely not be an issue. And if you do run into an issue, it can be serviced.
Its actually the advantage of the machine. It also uses just the fresh water at all times. If you leave the machine on or if you do not purge boiler machines, you will be using chamber water thats been heated. Although this is understood and most people just purge the machine before pulling a shot. But worth noting. The reason this machine was taken off my list was the steaming, and glad it was so, as many here mention about the top getting very hot and the pump being a vibration king and shaking everything. That is not possible to deal with on machines in this price point.
I've the first version of duo and absolutely love it. My only complaint can be the steaming, I'd love to have the control steam with this kind of dial instead of a on-off button, because I need to slow down on pressure while finishing. My included baskets are also 14gr max but I'm able to fit 18 gr of coffee most of the time. When I don't, it doesnt reach to the desired pressure on the gauge. I wonder if I could take better shots with less dose 🤔 Thanks for the brilliant review.
A puck screen on top can help with the extra space
maybe finer grind if the timing is not too off? I do use a screen on top to keep the head clean, and it does help with having a dry puck. Not on this machine though.
Great review! I just bought the machine and realized I didn’t have the plug adapter.. I cannot find the Amazon link of where to buy the adapter.. would you be able to post a link of where to buy the adaptor? Thank you
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@@LifestyleLab_ amazing thank you 🙏
You missed mentioning the La Zpaziale Lucca A53/Mini Vivaldi S1.... its a steam king, and does everything here in dual boiler, pre infusion, under $3K.
Thank you for your excellent review. You recommend an IMS 20 g basket for the Steel Duo. Can you provide a link for the specific basket you are recommending? Also, is there a compatible distributor/tamper (model and size) that you would recommend?
Any 58mm IMS nanotech will work great, just depends on your desired dose :)
When looking for a tamper, get one that is precision 58.5mm such as the excellent Normcore V4. Instead of a distributor, I highly recommend doing WDT instead. Far more effective and eliminates the need to distribute
I hope and wish your channel keeps growing and allows you to keep bringing great content, remaining as engaging as possible and as you currently are with your viewers!
Thanks Carlos, we hope for the same!
@@LifestyleLab_ It appears that distribution of the Ascaso machines is very limited. Maybe only two distributors in the US? This is a little concerning because the brand does not have much of a track record in terms of build quality and longevity. Your review is excellent, but there are relatively few additional reviews or consumer discussions on the internet regarding Ascaso. Can you comment on this? Would this be a risky purchase given how little coverage there is regarding Ascaso?
@@ivyguetta3775 Absolutely not risky at all. Ascaso is a top tier company, and has full local support through Espresso Parts, Seattle Coffee Gear, and Ascaso USA. Great people.
Do you know when the new Steel Duo "Plus" will be available for purchase?
I do not! Looks like purely aesthetic changes though + more portafilters etc
There are complaints from a lot of V1 owners that the vibrations of the machine are quite bad. Is this issue solved with V2?
so far it doesnt sound like it.
The Lelit Elizabeth isn’t a P61. It’s a dual boiler that directly competes with these models, but isn’t as widely known. You might want to have a look at it.
Ahh my apologies, I’m getting my Lelit’s mixed up (was thinking of the Mara X)
I’m very happy with the Elizabeth.
@@gregaddison6067 I've got the Elizabeth and am super happy with it too.
how do you think this stacks up against something like the Profitec 400? As someone who is looking to upgrade from the De'longhi Dedica, gain more control with my shots, but also be able to host my big family on the weekends!
would love to hear your thoughts!
If you're going to be steaming a LOT of back to back drinks, the Pro 400 will definitely have the edge in terms of speed.
In terms of pure espresso quality, this will have an advantage thanks to the full PID and pre-infusion control.
Check out the La Spaziale Vivaldi2 S1 or the Lucca A53(a bit more $). Some are not into the retro look, while others love it.....I was ok with it, but it actually grew on me more due to performance. Like some cars. Maybe they dont first look great, but performing and reliability, you appriciate it and end up liking it more and the look...lol, thats how I see it.
Wish there was a way to update an existing steel duo model-pretty cool
There is. At least here in Europe, you can update for around 200€ at your seller.
Unfortunately the Review didnt point out one of the main plus points. The temperature stability after its very fast heat up time. Being able to produce perfect espresso after 5-8 mins is very nice in combination with its low power consumption. (uno pid owner)
It is temperature stable, but not excessively so worth mentioning more than I did at 5:09 . In fact, I wish I had added that like most thermoblock machines, a purge before brewing is almost always necessary
There is a new updated version for 2023 in Europe the steel duo plus I wish you could do a review on that as well one soon
I included it in my video from HOST :)
Go check out the video from the conference!
Can you help with adjusting OPV on this machine? It produces weird noise and gives inconsistent shots when I try to lower the pressure below 11bars
That is an issue with the older generation Steel Duo. Plenty of articles online about it. New machine version doesn’t make that noise
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for your reply. I just purchased it last week 2/8. I believe it's v2 with the wood steam knob...
@@little78926 I'm in the same boat. Sounds like it is a manufacturing issue. I'm trying to decide if I want to send it back for repair or a refund. There really isn't another machine in this price range that offers all of these features, so it's a really hard decision. Did you ever get your issue resolved?
I love the idea to set the 1 shot to purge the group head and 2 shot to run as long as possible. How do you do this? I can only change the bottom one by holding the toggle down? I want to weigh my shots and I’m struggling
Holding the toggle down is how you program. Tapping it down once will then repeat what you programmed next time
@@LifestyleLab_while I’m setting it up I’m changing it so much that I’m holding it down every time 🙈 how did you get the 2 coffees to run as long as you want as to meet the volume of shot? Or is that just what you’ve programmed?
I came close to purchasing this, but ultimately went with the pro x
Really can’t go wrong with either, congrats on the new machine!
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks man, great video by the way
I recently bought the Acaso Steel UNO PID basad on your positivie review (and from others). The Ascaso USA recommends to set the OPV to 11 bar (in stead of 9 bar), and suggests to adjust the grind size, dose, and tamp pressure to achieve 9 bar reading. I have been trying, with different types of freshly roasted beans, for a few weeks, and whenever I could reach to 9 bar, the extraction was too quick. i.e. getting 1:2 ratio (17g coffee ground to 34g yield) in 10 to 14 seconds. If I grinded finer or increased the dose, then the extraction time would be longer, but the pressure would go above 9 bar. As of now, I just focus on getting the 1:2 ration in 25 to 35 seconds and let the pressure reach anywhere between 11 to 12.5 bar. (My OPV is set to 11.75 bar as it will provide chirping noise if the OPV is set lower than that.)
Do you have any experience with it and how to resolve it?
Thank you
You cannot taste numbers.
Dial in your coffee to taste, and not an arbitrary pressure and flow rate that may not be correct for your coffee.
In my opinion, 12 bar is too high to set the pump pressure. I would opt for closer to 10, which would result in around 9 at the group with coffee instead of a blind basket.
@@LifestyleLab_ Thank you for responding so quickly. BTW, thank you for all your videos. I started as a real beginner with Breville Express Impress a year ago, and your vidoes help me a lot to understand and to pick up skills of making espresso. I did attempt to adjust the OPV, but like many other users who have experienced, if the OPV goes lower than 12.5 on my machine, it will cause a lound chirping sound. I did check with Ascaso USA, and I was told if the OPV is set below 11, chirping sound could occur. So basically it is stuck with OPV at 12.5. I did do the taste test, and it tastes better when the extraction time is closer to 30 seconds (with pressure at 11 to 12 bars) than when the extraction time is at 13 seconds (with pressure at 9 bar). Thank you.
@patricklam6646 glad you’re getting closer with the shot! Follow your taste buds and you’ll never have to worry if you’re doing the “right” thing :)
@@patricklam6646 Hi, Patrick, I have got Ascaso Dream PID (which is almost identical to Uno) and my experience is exactly like your. For a long time I tried to do shots with OPV set to 9 bars (recommended everywhere) and it id didn´t taste well. Then I raised OPV to 12,5 bars, while brewing I am at about 11,5 (slowly going down to about 9 during shot), preinfusion 2 sec and I found out that the best taste I get with time from 33 to 38 sec (basket IMS B702TH26.5M) 19g in, 40-45 out. I drink medium-light coffee. Milos
It's interesting that you talk about the steam power being a drawback compared to competitors, taking 35 to 40 seconds, but doesn't the time you save during the heat up make up for it completely? I would rather have to steam for 20 to 30 seconds longer than wait 10 minutes longer to pull a shot.
If you’re only making one drink, sure. But steam power starts to be more noticeable when making multiple drinks back to back. Like 3 lattes in a row
Again, for home use, MORE than adequate power
no one cares how long the machine took to warm up. When your wife and her friends want lattes, they want it asap, and they have no clue how good the coffee is. SO dont sweat the shot so much, but make some good microfoam! and make it quick!. But if you are alone....You dont care about anyone else :-)
Since this machine is using a "saturated" Grouphead I am wondering why you set the temp to 97 degrees? There shouldnt be as much heat loss as with the e61 machines so I thin 93 would be more appropriate?
A temp review would be nice :D
But how do you know what coffee I’m using and what temperature is appropriate for it? 🧐
@@LifestyleLab_ good point haha.
Can you compare how this steams to the non-Pro Silvia? I have a PID modded Silvia, that I've had for years and have been mostly happy with, but am considering upgrading from. Steaming on the Silvia is decent, but not spectacular and it's a single boiler so you're either trying to cool it down to brew or heat it up to steam and either your milk or the crema suffer. The big challenge to me upgrading is my espresso setup is in a built in cabinet that only has 15" of depth, when almost any dual boiler or thermoblock system is deeper than that.
The steaming on this will be about half as fast as either the Silvia or Silvia Pro. Those two machines are absolute beasts, while the thermocoil setup on this Ascaso is more around average
@@LifestyleLab_ interesting. I've never found my Silvia to be super fast. Videos on the Silvia Pro or rather Pro X, seem crazy fast. Granted, being able to brew and steam simultaneously more than makes up for time currently as the machine probably needs a solid minute to get to full steam temp after pulling a shot on my Silvia.
That is interesting!
My Silvia is one of the fastest steaming machines I own. Is yours an older generation perhaps?
@@LifestyleLab_ I believe it's a V2 or V3. I bought it back in 2014, it was slightly used when I bought it, but less than a year old.
That may be the difference then. Think we’re up to V5 now
I’ve a Barista Express. It’s ok but I always think the espresso could be better and I’ve an itch for a new machine. I think I’m looking a thermoblock machine and rarely use milk frothing. I basically want quick start up and good espresso. What would you recommend? I nearly bought a Lelit Bianca V3 with an E61 head until I realised start up times were 15-20 mins. My beans are always less than 3 weeks old roast and from a good supplier. Thanks
You’re missing the most important aspect which is a good grinder. The grinder makes a much larger difference in the machine itself.
Once you have a good grinder, consider the Gaggia classic pro or The Profitec GO. Easy easy choices for mostly espresso and some steaming
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you for replying. I really like the Profitec Go but my wife says no to the colour schemes. She only wants a stainless brushed steel in the kitchen. I’ll not win that argument so I’m thinking now to get a Lelit Elizabeth V3. I know it’s a dual boiler which I probably don’t often use but I think the brew head is an upgrade on the cheaper Victoria single boiler model. Assuming I get it would pairing it with a Lelit Fred grinder be ok (38mm burrs) or do I really need to go to a more expensive Lelit William with the larger burrs. I’ll only ever dose 18.5g at a time anyway. Thanks again
@chrismccannIRL I would recommend going with a grinder like the Eureka Specialita or Libra (comes in metal finishes) or the Mahlkonig X54 over and if the Lelit options for grinders. You’ll be much better off
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks again for replying - your time is appreciated. I think the wife and I have settled on the ECM Mechanika Slim VI Heritage - predominately on looks and size for my wife. You mentioned the Malhkonig X54 and Eureka Specialita. Could I ask your view between those two and adding in the Solo DF64 and Eureka Mignon Oro 64 - which would you choose? All look ok and have black finishes but are the bigger Burrs better. Thanks
What type of pump does it use? Vibration or Rotary?
Vibration. Not aware of anything in this price range with rotary pumps
How does this compare with a Breville Dual Boiler?
Similar functionality, Dual Boiler has more pre-infusion options and programmability. Biggest difference will be build quality where the Ascaso will be head and shoulders better
How would this compare to the Rancilio Silvia Pro X
Ascaso will be slower at steaming, but more attractive, more programmable, and more energy efficient, and a bit cheaper
Will this be a worthy upgrade for my Breville barista pro? Or I should just upgrading to a flow profiling machine.
This will be a great upgrade, assuming of course you’re investing in a good grinder to pair with it
@@LifestyleLab_ yep, I’ve got a nice grinder. I’m just thinking how much better than barista pro. Other than 58mm portafilter and can steam at the same time. Maybe I should skip it and go with E61 group with flow control.
I’d take the temperature stability and consistency of a saturated group over an E61 any day. Far superior technology.
The pre-infusion on the Ascaso is all you really need. Check out my video on E61 flow control and why it’s not necessarily all its cracked up to be
@@LifestyleLab_ just checked your video. I was considering Decent DE1 as well, but too much variable to play with is kind of intimidating. And the price tag is much higher, too.
If you had to pick between the Breville Dual Boiler and the Ascaso Duo, which would you choose?
By the way, great video!
Thanks :)
I would choose the Ascaso for the better build quality and longevity. Steaming power is on par, both have programmable shots, both good pre-infusion. Ascaso fits 3rd party portafilters, and is more energy efficient as well
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for your reply, that makes a lot of sense!
Take the steam tip off and pull out the plastic no burn straw and see your steam power go through the roof!! Massive improvement.
Could you share more about this!? Lack of steam power and potential vibrating cups are the only things pushing me from the Steel Duo to a Bianca v3
@@loganburleson933
When I picked mine up I was close to taking it back as the steam power was not as strong as I'd expected. After removing the plastic no burn wand straw inside the wand I found the steam pressure is far better. I think the straw was stopping the steam from getting to the nozzle correctly and also seemed to make the steam wetter for some reason.
In regards to the vibrating cups you can't get away from that I'm afraid. I got a small rubber coaster and that holds the cup in place fine.
For me these things didn't outweigh that this machine can do back to back great coffee and be ready in about 5 minutes. I was initially going to go for an E61 machine but decided speed was something I needed.
How long have you had the machine now ? Any issues ?
Why only 5s preinfusion? I do 10s preinfusions with my Sage Barista Pro
You can also program up to a 5 second pause after the infusion, so a total of 10 seconds :)
@@LifestyleLab_ I see. Still I wonder what is limiting them.
I do have a few questions: 1. Does the PID control temperature at the Group head? Or does one have to compensate? 2. Is the brew pressure variable?
Ps; the genius link says that it is out of stock. So what is the price of the V2?
The PID controls the temperature at the thermoblock, so yes you have to compensate and it does include settings to adjust the offset so you read the "compensated" value. We did a few temperature experiments on the Ascaso subreddit and found that it's typically offset by roughly 5°C.
There is an adjustment screw for OPV under the group yes :)
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for the replies. 🙏🏽
And great video as usual. 🤙🏽
How is this heating system compared to single boiler like Profitec GO. Both machine are 300GBP at current sales.
It’s faster to start up, but less steaming power. However, the fact that it can brew and steam at the same time makes up for any lower difference. If you’re going to be steaming a lot, go with the Ascaso. If you’re making just espresso without milk, get the Profitec
@@LifestyleLab_Thank you. Your channel has proven helpful to me. Will let you know which one I will end up with. Regards
@hussainmahmoud7881 congrats either way! Both great machines
1 - 2 cup @ time. @@LifestyleLab_
What’s the price? It’s out of stock.
Should ai continue saving and get the La Marcozzo Micra? Would that be worth it?
Depends what grinder you’re planning to use. That’s where a good chunk of your budget should be allocated
@@LifestyleLab_ I’m looking at the Ceado E37S. It’s a tank of a grinder. Thanks!
@jonathanl2748 Nice!
My point there being don’t go for the Micra until you have an excellent grinder, which it sounds like you’re planning to do.
In that case it will largely come down to steaming performance and capacity. You could run a small cafe off the Micra, and it has steaming power to match. If you’re going to be making only 1-2 drinks at a time, this may not pay itself back to you. If you’ll regularly be serving 3+ people, then it would be a very nice upgrade if your budget allows
@@LifestyleLab_Thanks! I’ll use your link for purchasing if I commit to the Ascaso Steel Duo. Happy New Year to you!
Happy New Year!
i believe it can be a little niosy. and vibrates. is that true
Vibratory pumps are absolutely louder than the rotary options found in higher end machines, but not a deal-breaker :)
I have the V1. What descaler do you use on the duo?
Good old Dezcal :)
@@LifestyleLab_ At 4:50 of your excellent video, I see you filling the reservoir with a filtered water pitcher. Do you always use filtered water for your espresso machines and, if so, which filtered water products/pitchers do you recommend?
Water is extremely important to both the safety of your machine and the taste of your coffee.
It really depends on the PPM of your water. Anything above 100, or with high calcium, and you should try to filter it down to 50-75.
An easy option which is use is to get distilled water, and re-mineralize with specific espresso mixes like Third Wave Water’s Espresso formula. This will ensure that your machine stays in the best shape possible, and your coffee tastes as good as possible.
@@LifestyleLab_ That sounds like a great solution but, I must admit, it may require a little more effort than I would be willing to undertake. Is there a next best option that would only require me to filter water I can easily get from my tap? Maybe Brita, Pur or some other espresso centric option that you can recommend? What product were you using in the Ascaso video?
Using a Brita is a good next best :)
Or find a bottled water in the right PPM range. People swear by Crystal Geyser
So, the steam's still kinda weak. That doesn't surprise me too too much, getting thermoblock steam to be good is _hard_ and very few have actually managed it - Breville has with the thermojets, but they're the exception rather than the rule.
I’d say this is quite comparable to the thermojet models in terms of steaming. Breville maybe slightly faster at around 30seconds if I remember correctly.
Decent nailed it (in a $5000 machine), can steam as fast as you’d like essentially
@@LifestyleLab_ yes, I'd call decent a notable exception.
Elizabeth PL92T v3, 🤔🤔🤫is that price rite @lifestyle lab...
How do people feel about the lack of Flow Control on this machine. Seems to be the one big miss.
Not aware of any saturate group machines apart from the LM GS3 and Decent DE1 that have flow control. Not as easy to implement cheaply as it is on an E61
Reading on the forums people claim the machine have a 3 to 9 degree C temperature offset. Did you get this problem with your unit ?
If you do find your machine is has a offset between the set temp and group temp, you can compensate for this within the menus. There is an “offset” setting for this reason :)
@@LifestyleLab_ do you have a link to the adaptor you used ?
@@JPC326 Up in the description and top comment :)
@@LifestyleLab_ any tought after almost one year ? Did you have the chance to try the upgraded Duo Plus ?
A summary of the Duo Plus was shown in my HOST conference coverage :)
Did you mention cost?
Nope because it varies a lot region to region :)
Machines are always linked in the description
Is it actually a duo boiler machine?
It uses thermoblocks vs boilers
^^
As said above, there are technically no boilers, it uses thermoblocks. But, there are two of them, so you can brew/steam simultaneously and any other behaviours of a dual boiler.
I am torn between a Profitec Go or a Ascaso Steel Duo???? Which one should I get?
I would get the Ascaso if your budget allows and you’ll be making a lot of milk drinks.
Just espresso and the occasional milk drink? The Profitec will be plenty good :)
@@LifestyleLab_ What bout the Ascaso Duo or the Profitec Pro 300??? both the same price, same features??? what would be your pic?
I would chose the Ascaso if I was going to be drinking straight espresso or Americanos and some milk drinks. While if I was going to be making mostly or only milk drinks, I would choose the Profitec due to it’s better steaming speed
@@LifestyleLab_ what about the "Rancilio Silvia Pro x Dual Boiler Espresso Machine" ??? You should make a compare video with the Profitec 300, Ascaso Duo and Rancilio Pro X. These 3 machines dude....these are it for me.
Unfortunately I don’t have any of these machines in studio any more.
Essentially, if you want programmable shots, go with the Ascaso. If you want to just make lattes, get the Profitec, if you want to make espresso and lattes and don’t care about programmability, get the Rancilio
What’s the learning curve on a machine like this for a complete noob?
No more difficult than any other semi automatic espresso machine! Just need to be patient with learning proper puck prep, and make sure that you have an equally capable grinder to go along with the machine
This is one of those machines that they build for the EU market, then adapted to the USA.
Darn... no 20amp where I need it.
I don't see it being listed as v2
Because it’s not. Best way to tell whether you’re looking at a new or old version is the wood steam knob :)
This machine has me torn. On the one hand, it feels like the most "no compromises" machine at this price point in terms of features and looks. But the 20A requirement does pose a risk for me since I rent my apartment. That would mean I'd have to be careful to only look for apartments with 20A circuits in the future, which could be limiting.
The VAST majority of kitchens have 20A circuits. But I absolutely understand your point
Most kitchens are 20amp...hey, you can also check if you can wire to the garbage disposer outlet, that should be 20amp, or the dishwasher. Might be even more hassle, but I have seen it work.