I run this mech with 2 heavy rifles and 2 AC5-BF. The AC5's are a constant fire, remove small vehicles/VTOL/turrets and strip armor application while the heavy rifles are for finishing the job the AC5's start. It's a really nice combination backed up by a pair of higher end Artemis SRM4's.
@@thetrustysidekick3013 It is hurt from the degree it sucks at ranged combat, though. There is a niche for it as a lead element in a medium-speed lance or city-fighting, but in a true assault lance, it just doesn´t carry its weight. The GHE solves some of the problems, with the double PPC. But all the Mechs which need to close distance in an environment regardless of cover tend to be taken out very quickly by concentrated fire. The other thing is that, in this game, I´m not a big fan of weapons you need to stay on target with, but that may be my personal preference.
The Heavy rifles are a head shot weapon. I think two tier 4 or 5 heavy rifles can head shot just about anything within optimal range with some damage increase quirks. Before quirks a tier 4 heavy rifle has 21.6 damage, and a max armor king crab can have at most 45 head health. That means two +5% damage quirks should net you around 23 damage with is a total of 46 for two rifles which is an instant kill. Also the AI tends to not run max armor, and it seems to like around 18 or head armor. 18 head armor with 15 structure is only 33hp, and no built in quirk other than headshot immunity will save it. This is even more true if you have tier 5 heavy rifles, and honestly 4 tier 5 heavy rifles with damage increase quirks can probably drill through an AI's medium CT, thanks to the AI tending to run armor at like half to two thirds. Doing the two rifles in each claw targeting the head for instant kills. In theory this could melt lances long before they can even damage you. Head shots in this game are far easier than in MWO thanks to much larger head hitboxes and very predictable movements from the ai. The concept is to use all 4 to alpha from outside of optimal range, and then fire in groups of two within optimal range. In theory this could result in two dead 100 ton assaults every 10 or so seconds. To average 5 combat seconds per dead 100 tonner is good even for a brawler. However this is a theoretical case of perfect aim at 700+ meters.
@@Specter-wt1wt i picked up a black widow which comes with 4 machine guns. Wanted to upgrade them but tonnage was rough. Ended up pulling the ppcs for large lasers, removing the srm and putting 4 light rifles in, and sb medium lasers. Its a tie between this and my srm catapult for most fun!
I've been using two heavy rifles, two UAC/5's, and two SRM4 ST. Works great. Can keep firing the the ultras and srm's to take care of smaller stuff like tanks and helicoptors or destroying buildings, etc and then drill mechs in the face with the heavy rifles.
You should group the rifles by each arm, firing over obstacles while on a slope really ruins it. With that much heat and damage on the line you want to make sure you are not firing into a rock or the ground...
Shoot rifles in pairs to minimize heat and fire every 5 seconds. Also, when using air strikes against drop shop landings, try aiming directly at the dropship itself.
The reason you couldn't see any AC/20s in the loadout screen is that little checkbox "Valid Only" next to the Inventory and Market view tabs. Since the KK does not have any Large Ballistic slots, this checkbox filtered out all Large Ballistic weapons, like the AC20.
For warzone and defense, there's nothing better than an Annihilator with 4x Tier 5 LB10X-SLDs and 3x MLs. For all other modes, the Archer AGC with 4x SRM6, 2x SRM4, and 4MLs is king of the battlefield.
Large Rifles are excellent early-game shoulder weapons for an AI shadowhawk. AI doesn't take proper advantage of rapid fire anyway, so something that hits like a truck and has a huge range but doesn't fire so often is ideal for AI. I usually take 2 shadowhawks early game because only the cheap replaceable medium lasers are exposed to being disarmed: The ballistic hardpoint is torso. And the fact that the heavy rifles are light lets you pack more into the missile hardpoints.
UAC5's are godly and when they don't jam shred pretty everything faster than any other weapon shy of insta delete one shots. I run 4 tier 5's on my crab with 2 LRM ST ART IV's, and I love it. Easily pulling 2-3K damage every mission, sometimes the AI team mates can't even break 100 damage I murder everything so fast.
Nah, just aim better. If you can one shot a heavy mech CT with four heavy rifles, you ain't gonna give one fuck about DPS or projectile speed (which frankly is faster on a heavy rifle than you're implying here). Heavy rifles are basically the get gud of MW5, and I love the rage over them lol.
The thing is, the heat generated by the Heavy Rifle is a lot, but if you multiply that heat per shot times the rate of fire, you get a number that's actually lower than the AC/20 using a similar formula. So, over time, they generate less heat, if they're in constant use. Big guns generally don't get used continuously though, so the fact that the Heavy Rifles dump more heat on you right when you shoot it is the main problem. That and the looong reload time. But then the long reload time mitigates the heat issues to some extent, as long as you're not firing PPCs and whatnot in the long wait time while reloading. I think as long as you take carefully curated center-torso and head shots with the Heavy Rifles, they're effective. I wouldn't try to hit a Flea with them though. But then I use a HOTAS, not the mouse, to aim and move. Also, if you don't like risking the good Gauss Rifles on the lancemate mechs, just put the Heavy Rifles on there instead. AI pilots generally don't fire fast enough to overheat in the first place, and the corsair only mounts two.
Regarding the Corsair and lost Gauss Rifles: The side torso is an extreme damage magnet even when I pilot it myself. It tends to almost always concentrate incoming damage there, so much more than comparable Mechs. In fact, that put it out of my primary lance.
I don't know if it's been said yet, but you don't want to alpha strike your heavy rifles, you want to chainfire them and AIM FOR HEADS. You get way more salvage and kill assault mechs faster because they tend to have fat heads. I prefer heavy rifles over any AC or gauss and the saved weight means more ammo/cooling.
Seems like you'd be better off with the heavy rifles split between two groups, which you could fire together with a double button press, and missiles on your third button. You don't really want Chainfire on, and your heat management just can't keep up with consistent 4 gun fires.
he said anyways that he didnt enjoy them to much, the constant shuting down or alternatively having to groupfire 2/2 and spread all that dmg over half the enemy mech just doesnt seem to viable tbh. they might be for earlier game, when u dont have tonage yet to run AC20 or only have 1 med cannon hardpoint, but for late game... nah to many drawbacks, what good does longer range do u, if u cant make use of it because enemys will be in close range before u can shoot a 2nd time
Okay yes your points about overheating and accuracy are absolutely valid but good lord the absolute RUSH you get when instantly coring a quickdraw or just straight up ripping the RT off an atlas in one shot makes me prefer firing all four guns at once. Sure, it's not 100% optimal, but to me it's much more _cool._ it's like the planet itself shakes when you shoot them. And on the overheating after four shots, well, six heavy rifle hits to the CT can core any mech in the game, so if you can reliably nail CTs those four shots are all you need, although I've found if you want to go quad HR it's best you dont put other guns on and instead devote that to as many heatsinks as you can fit
@@kingkuma4112 I know that feeling. It is empowering to just destroy an enemy, but in those situations where you take the risky shot at the fast lateral mover, the pain of missing is just too much to bear :)
@@LemurMaster I have two bound to both left and right click, so I can fire two if I need to keep my heat down or fire all four if I feel the chances for a big hit are in my favor. Still cant beat a quad slug ac/10 build in terms of raw dps, but as far as opening volleys go it's hard to top. If I'm up against something like a light or otherwise hard to hit mech I basically go tell whatever pilot is in my lrm vomit stalker or quad LL king crab to deal with it and that does the job 90% of the time. My main role is just going after whatever I feel the biggest potential danger is in the general area and dealing enough damage to it before it becomes a problem. Been in marik territory lately, so lots of 2x lrm15 awesomes to shoot... yay...
Weapons in MW5 don't have perfect convergence every time like in MWO, there's some minor inaccuracy and you'll get more drift leading a target since the aimpoint is set where you're aiming, not at your target's distance. I've had dual gauss shots that just take both arms off of a spider, or nail two different torsos, and Rifles are even worse about it.
Man losing those guasses sucks. I wouldn't let AI pilots in the corsair anymore. Also you still need to put the ER PPCs in it once you find good a set of good guass rifles again.
I love the heavy rifles. I run one on a Marauder and two on the Victor you get after completing part of the campaign. I’ve been nailing some headshots with the Victor dual heavy rifle set up here lately. One shot kill. I love the sound of the rifles when they fire and the look of the impact.
The Mediums at higher tiers seem ok. I have the Black Knight P hero with one and three Large and Med lasers. I think the Smalls are lack-lustre and the Heavies are just grossly inefficient as demonstrated by this video.
That's why I pair them with large/ med lasers or uacs. Whittle down the armor then use the heavy rifles to land that fatal sucker punch. So satisfying!
Rifles need the Ballistics heat reduction skill, i ran nearly the same build and it was fantastic, as long as your allies can deal with the small stuff it cracks open mechs so fast
HR build is lethal as f*** but also very hot. I was able to kill Black Knight with an alpha strike, Stalker with 1 alpha strike + second SRM salvo. Do not brawle with this build. Hit hard and take cover to cool off and to reload. Higher tier (4 or 5) rifles and some upgrades are useful.
My Carapace runs all tier 5 heavy rifles and srm6. I head shot like a madman. I miss entirely very randomly. But I also only shoot 2 at a time unless alpha brawl. My biggest gripe is ai running in front of me during aim.
I like heavy rifles as a complimentary weapon system. For example, I love using it in a marauder with 4 Medium short burst. Use the rifle to strip off armor and the lasers to defend yourself while it reloads.
Heavy rifles are better brawling if you chain fire instead of broadside alpha strikes, the recoil is fine with the long firing cooldown to bring it back on target between each shot
I'm fairly certain that heavy rifles are bugged when you fire 4 at once. The killyness of the CAR goes up when you go left right instead of all at once. No idea what's causing it though. Be nice if someone else could confirm.
My drop partner says it's due to spaghetti code and ghost heat. When you fire 3 or more of the same weapon, PGI hits you with an extra heat penalty on top of the base heat. Also, hitting the fire input before a weapon fully reloads aka holding down the fire button, appears to register the reloading weapon as an extra weapon and adds the heat penalty when it actually fires. There is also another ghost heat penalty when you have latency issues if you drop with other people. We found out when he claimed my mechs were overcooled when in reality i'm an alpha strike addict, and the ghost heat was spiking throughout engagements
I built a hero Mauler KO with 2 ERLLSB, 2 LRM10 and 2 Heavy Rifle. The idea is to kneecap something with the ERLL and LRMs, then finish it with the rifles. So far it appears to be working. The Mauler can engage all sorts of targets and doesn't overheat, puts out 1.5k damage consistently
The last mission with the AC/10s shows one of the worst problems that I have with MW5 vs MWO, the weapon convergence is horrible since the effective weapon velocities are so much lower in this game. there were several shots he took that should have nailed the target, but since his lead pulled him off the target the convergence adjustment of the arms shifted to far past the range his target was actually at, making the shots miss/not hit pinpoint. I wish the convergence range adjustment was smarter about how it switches, right now it just shifts on a scan line of your targeting reticle, but it really should adjust based on the nearest target to your reticle.
In the Hero King Crab with 4 Tier 5 heavy rifles and 2 srm 6 Artemis. In the upgrades you put Max cooling for ballistics and heat dissipation and 1 into 10% ballistic damage. Then group fire 2 heavy rifles each and set the srm's to single fire. With this set up you'll only create about 25% heat and deal a whopping 52 damage each volley!
Just got this KC hero, i have 2x T4 AC 5 2x T4 AC 5 BF and 2x Lrm 15 ST, buit tbh i like this build , maybe 2x Heavy rifle 2x UAC 5 , but i gotta find minimal T4s of em first ;) TY for the awesome vid ^^
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The purpose of the rifle is to give lighter mechs a chance at a big punch, or fill in some of the random ballistic slots on heavies and assaults. Like the shoulder mount on a Shadow Hawk, or filling in that AC slot on the MAD-3R Dual Light Rifle Flea or Quad Light Rifle Black Widow are hilarious meme builds.
One of my favourite annihilator loadouts involves two heavy rifles and two uac/5s, I use heavy rifles to nuke armour and the uacs as more constant damage.
I think the 4x heavy rifles are just meme build.. imo the 4x uac 5s with srms is the best build on the carapace. Its fun and shreds, applicable too in warzone to farm for c-bills. The Annihilator with 4x solid slugs with 7 small lasers or 4 MLs also shreds. I used 2-3 alphas with the 7 SLs can also delete mechs fast and single single alpha on lights. Sure i mean 4x heavy rifles hit hard and can delate but the rate of fire is just too slow for my taste. 4x solid slugs deletes way faster.. nice episode though! Keep it up! 🍻
I love the rifles for when I have ballistic slots I wanna fill instead of just overcooling my mech. I tend to do double lights or a medium. Been playing around with Heavys but I got LBX10s now so we'll see lol
The sentiment that the progression of the game is flawed I agree with. I was a tabletop BattleTech and MechWarrior player and If you followed the rule sets the game is very much about resource management and trying to squeeze out every C Bill. Now having said that, I pulled the trigger on buying this game as It looks a whole lot of fun if you look at it in an alternative BattleTech universe view. Hoping that a mod will be released to change that balance.
I like to run my king crab with 2 AC5 BF's, 2 heavy rifles and 2 SRM 6' all on chain fire. I usually keep the pressure up with the AC5s and alternate shredding them with heavy rifles and SRMs.
I much prefer heavy rifles to the hyper assault Gauss. They only do 1 heat per shot, but they aslo do continuous fire. And I overheated myself into oblivion. I'm using the Pirate Tech mod. The Pirate RAC/5's are really nice!
Stupid question, how can I put the 6 white squares on the front for the weapon reload "warning"?. And the other thing, how can I switch to the different targets that fast? O.O, in my game I have to aim to the mech like 5 seconds before it's shown as target. O.O
I like Heavy rifle as a support weapon, when you have only one medium balistic slot and some large energy/missile weapons as primary. They are good at opening enemies at long range or deleting small mechs. Also mech legs - especialy WArhammers. But I would never use them in alpha strike, chain fire gives you chance to start cooling and fix aim. btw for uAC/5 build one of fun mech is hero Cataphrax - IM i think. 3 uac5, some backup weapons, good speed. Too bad these mechs come late in game, but even diff 100 is not a big problem, unless you are using mod for more intense warzones :)
I run 4 heavy rifles and a LRM 15 on King Crab for fliers and have zero issues with heat. Not every shot has to be an alpha strike your bias came through a bit there. Admittedly LBX SLD is probably going to be the most efficient build overall but heavy rifles are more than viable. AC20 levels of firepower in a medium slot what's not to like. The biggest issue is only 12 rounds in the ammo.
I’ve used rifles, but with the mechs I’m stuck with, not viable, no extra slots for others but some wimpy lasers. And the arm kept getting wrecked, losing them. So now I salvage or buy good ones, and just saving them for better mechs. And I’m guessing I need to progress the campaign more to get bigger tonnage limits?
there kinda is, instant action lets you play with builds. sure I think there should be like training sim on the drop ship.....but this is pgi we are talking about.
Man I bet that King crab would make a fun and balanced ballistic build if you swapped out both those SRM6s and X2 Heavy rifles for X2 of those tier 4 AC10 Burst fires 29:30 some extra AC10 ammo and if possible another heat sink or two. You can use the X2 Heavy Rifles for targets around 800m and the AC10 Burstfire and Heavy Rifles for any target within 500M It looked like you could probably make shots easily at 100-200 meters with the Heavy rifles so despite being long range weapons the rifles can still be initial pinpoint burst damage on top of your AC10s or a finishing blow after stripping the armor down with dual AC10 burst fire dakka if you ever got into a brawl unwillingly.
I find that the heavy rifles are a butter weapon. Not great on their own but good to spice something up. For instance, a MAD-3R running 2x er large SB, 2x med pulse, and a heavy rifle has netted me some pretty fun games. Bur I don't think I'd boat this weapon system.
Umm, we were just reminding you of what you said you wanted to do with the ERPPC's. How did it suddenly turn into we were screaming that you needed to use them...LMAO Another fun episode thanks Baradul...
It's like 1st person real time Battletech Light. I hope that one day the modding community can come back and update to inner sphere, maybe see something like RogueTech Light come to MW5IS, that be great! I rather use a couple UAC20's in this type of situation. Rifles are basically poor man AC's after-all :) Unless the game has Hellstorm Artillery, then it can be pretty useful, lol (RogueTech thing).
This build does better with 4 tier 4 or 5 rifles, then it was coring instantly for me. Still nice seeing Baradul using it, because he just has better aim than me. lol
Annihilator 1x has better convergence for the heavy rifles. Tier 5 is pretty much instant kill on anything less than 60 tons. Up to 80 tons is red after being hut with a quad can opener.
Just 3 short hours of play time, and Baradul finally figured out that he has to put his purchased 60point pilot into a cockpit. By the time he does it, he completely forgot why he is not there in the first place? Dementia, at such a young age? But next to noone in the comments of previous videos managed to notice that, too.
Both are wrong. Your forget to put your new skill 60 pilot in the lance. Good job. Maybe try the autocannon build in less hot environment. The first build from the last episode was just perfect.
I like the rifles but they generate so much heat. Combining it with a mech that has a lot of energy weapons, it's going to heat up quickly. Maybe your need two heavy rifles for range and two AC20s for close range
I run this mech with 2 heavy rifles and 2 AC5-BF. The AC5's are a constant fire, remove small vehicles/VTOL/turrets and strip armor application while the heavy rifles are for finishing the job the AC5's start. It's a really nice combination backed up by a pair of higher end Artemis SRM4's.
"73 days to repair"
Ah, yes, repairing the flesh, the most important kind of repairs.
“I don’t believe in the 1P.”
*sad Battlemaster noises*
The 1G is pretty great though, perfect brawler.
@@thetrustysidekick3013 It is hurt from the degree it sucks at ranged combat, though. There is a niche for it as a lead element in a medium-speed lance or city-fighting, but in a true assault lance, it just doesn´t carry its weight. The GHE solves some of the problems, with the double PPC. But all the Mechs which need to close distance in an environment regardless of cover tend to be taken out very quickly by concentrated fire.
The other thing is that, in this game, I´m not a big fan of weapons you need to stay on target with, but that may be my personal preference.
The Heavy rifles are a head shot weapon. I think two tier 4 or 5 heavy rifles can head shot just about anything within optimal range with some damage increase quirks.
Before quirks a tier 4 heavy rifle has 21.6 damage, and a max armor king crab can have at most 45 head health. That means two +5% damage quirks should net you around 23 damage with is a total of 46 for two rifles which is an instant kill. Also the AI tends to not run max armor, and it seems to like around 18 or head armor. 18 head armor with 15 structure is only 33hp, and no built in quirk other than headshot immunity will save it. This is even more true if you have tier 5 heavy rifles, and honestly 4 tier 5 heavy rifles with damage increase quirks can probably drill through an AI's medium CT, thanks to the AI tending to run armor at like half to two thirds.
Doing the two rifles in each claw targeting the head for instant kills. In theory this could melt lances long before they can even damage you. Head shots in this game are far easier than in MWO thanks to much larger head hitboxes and very predictable movements from the ai.
The concept is to use all 4 to alpha from outside of optimal range, and then fire in groups of two within optimal range. In theory this could result in two dead 100 ton assaults every 10 or so seconds. To average 5 combat seconds per dead 100 tonner is good even for a brawler.
However this is a theoretical case of perfect aim at 700+ meters.
My double rifle Jagermech is nicknamed my "cockpitter" mech for a reason 😁
I went medium rifles on the hero crab. Easier to manage heat, more ammo and tons of single heatsinks. Excellent for head shots
then you mkight as well use lbx10`s with solid slugs but yes, sadly the KCB-CAR one of few mech that you would want to run medium rifles on
@@Specter-wt1wt Can you equip four LBX10 with 44t AND enough ammo on the KC?
Four mediums only weight 20t.
But not instant headshot each like HRs or GRs
@@Specter-wt1wt i picked up a black widow which comes with 4 machine guns. Wanted to upgrade them but tonnage was rough. Ended up pulling the ppcs for large lasers, removing the srm and putting 4 light rifles in, and sb medium lasers. Its a tie between this and my srm catapult for most fun!
I've been using two heavy rifles, two UAC/5's, and two SRM4 ST. Works great. Can keep firing the the ultras and srm's to take care of smaller stuff like tanks and helicoptors or destroying buildings, etc and then drill mechs in the face with the heavy rifles.
Heavy rifles are very rewarding when you can land the shots. Higher skill curve, higher reward.
This. And they're like sex in the ears.
It’s all or nothing if you’re going to demo the Heavy Rifles, no SRMS. All ammo and HS. Anyway the the LBX solids are the correct answer here
I had the same thought, replace those with heatsinks and maybe more ammo, consider chain firing too
You should group the rifles by each arm, firing over obstacles while on a slope really ruins it. With that much heat and damage on the line you want to make sure you are not firing into a rock or the ground...
Yes
Seeing those gauss rifles destroyed hurts so much.
Reload save just for that
Especially the T5
Totally ok with a save reload to get those rifles back. This was just a bad experiment.
Lost my first gauss before I realized how rare they are in this game. Might have reloaded if I knew then what I know now.
Shoot rifles in pairs to minimize heat and fire every 5 seconds. Also, when using air strikes against drop shop landings, try aiming directly at the dropship itself.
Definitely
The reason you couldn't see any AC/20s in the loadout screen is that little checkbox "Valid Only" next to the Inventory and Market view tabs. Since the KK does not have any Large Ballistic slots, this checkbox filtered out all Large Ballistic weapons, like the AC20.
The UAC/5s seem more effective and way more fun tbh lol. Its fun to experiment with builds tho
For warzone and defense, there's nothing better than an Annihilator with 4x Tier 5 LB10X-SLDs and 3x MLs. For all other modes, the Archer AGC with 4x SRM6, 2x SRM4, and 4MLs is king of the battlefield.
Large Rifles are excellent early-game shoulder weapons for an AI shadowhawk. AI doesn't take proper advantage of rapid fire anyway, so something that hits like a truck and has a huge range but doesn't fire so often is ideal for AI. I usually take 2 shadowhawks early game because only the cheap replaceable medium lasers are exposed to being disarmed: The ballistic hardpoint is torso.
And the fact that the heavy rifles are light lets you pack more into the missile hardpoints.
The ultra 5’s seemed like a MUCH more efficient build, the projectiles were much faster too. I look forward to your videos every day!
UAC5's are godly and when they don't jam shred pretty everything faster than any other weapon shy of insta delete one shots.
I run 4 tier 5's on my crab with 2 LRM ST ART IV's, and I love it. Easily pulling 2-3K damage every mission, sometimes the AI team mates can't even break 100 damage I murder everything so fast.
Nah, just aim better. If you can one shot a heavy mech CT with four heavy rifles, you ain't gonna give one fuck about DPS or projectile speed (which frankly is faster on a heavy rifle than you're implying here).
Heavy rifles are basically the get gud of MW5, and I love the rage over them lol.
The thing is, the heat generated by the Heavy Rifle is a lot, but if you multiply that heat per shot times the rate of fire, you get a number that's actually lower than the AC/20 using a similar formula. So, over time, they generate less heat, if they're in constant use. Big guns generally don't get used continuously though, so the fact that the Heavy Rifles dump more heat on you right when you shoot it is the main problem. That and the looong reload time. But then the long reload time mitigates the heat issues to some extent, as long as you're not firing PPCs and whatnot in the long wait time while reloading. I think as long as you take carefully curated center-torso and head shots with the Heavy Rifles, they're effective. I wouldn't try to hit a Flea with them though. But then I use a HOTAS, not the mouse, to aim and move. Also, if you don't like risking the good Gauss Rifles on the lancemate mechs, just put the Heavy Rifles on there instead. AI pilots generally don't fire fast enough to overheat in the first place, and the corsair only mounts two.
love how we all ignore the fact, that the awesome got killed through a heatshot xD
Regarding the Corsair and lost Gauss Rifles: The side torso is an extreme damage magnet even when I pilot it myself. It tends to almost always concentrate incoming damage there, so much more than comparable Mechs. In fact, that put it out of my primary lance.
Yeah one of the reasons why I hate the corsair. The arms are comparativly small but take most of the damage, it's rediculess.
I don't know if it's been said yet, but you don't want to alpha strike your heavy rifles, you want to chainfire them and AIM FOR HEADS. You get way more salvage and kill assault mechs faster because they tend to have fat heads. I prefer heavy rifles over any AC or gauss and the saved weight means more ammo/cooling.
you missed the fact that you pulled some great battlefield salvage. t4 ERPPC and a t5 AC-20/BF!
that king crab looks so great the paintjob looks like blood
thats the intention and honestly its not far off with the stock build
Seems like you'd be better off with the heavy rifles split between two groups, which you could fire together with a double button press, and missiles on your third button. You don't really want Chainfire on, and your heat management just can't keep up with consistent 4 gun fires.
he said anyways that he didnt enjoy them to much, the constant shuting down or alternatively having to groupfire 2/2 and spread all that dmg over half the enemy mech just doesnt seem to viable tbh. they might be for earlier game, when u dont have tonage yet to run AC20 or only have 1 med cannon hardpoint, but for late game... nah to many drawbacks, what good does longer range do u, if u cant make use of it because enemys will be in close range before u can shoot a 2nd time
Still only get 4 shots before overheating and still waiting for Christmas to come around for those reloads. Ditch the rifles they suck!
Okay yes your points about overheating and accuracy are absolutely valid but good lord the absolute RUSH you get when instantly coring a quickdraw or just straight up ripping the RT off an atlas in one shot makes me prefer firing all four guns at once. Sure, it's not 100% optimal, but to me it's much more _cool._ it's like the planet itself shakes when you shoot them. And on the overheating after four shots, well, six heavy rifle hits to the CT can core any mech in the game, so if you can reliably nail CTs those four shots are all you need, although I've found if you want to go quad HR it's best you dont put other guns on and instead devote that to as many heatsinks as you can fit
@@kingkuma4112 I know that feeling. It is empowering to just destroy an enemy, but in those situations where you take the risky shot at the fast lateral mover, the pain of missing is just too much to bear :)
@@LemurMaster I have two bound to both left and right click, so I can fire two if I need to keep my heat down or fire all four if I feel the chances for a big hit are in my favor. Still cant beat a quad slug ac/10 build in terms of raw dps, but as far as opening volleys go it's hard to top. If I'm up against something like a light or otherwise hard to hit mech I basically go tell whatever pilot is in my lrm vomit stalker or quad LL king crab to deal with it and that does the job 90% of the time. My main role is just going after whatever I feel the biggest potential danger is in the general area and dealing enough damage to it before it becomes a problem. Been in marik territory lately, so lots of 2x lrm15 awesomes to shoot... yay...
the corsair lost the gauss, well i would have hit that restart button hard
Succession War chances... Gauss giveth, Succession Wars taketh away...
Weapons in MW5 don't have perfect convergence every time like in MWO, there's some minor inaccuracy and you'll get more drift leading a target since the aimpoint is set where you're aiming, not at your target's distance. I've had dual gauss shots that just take both arms off of a spider, or nail two different torsos, and Rifles are even worse about it.
I believe Sleepy King Crab is the proper term.
I run my Carapace with quad AC5s. It is really nice.
Man losing those guasses sucks. I wouldn't let AI pilots in the corsair anymore. Also you still need to put the ER PPCs in it once you find good a set of good guass rifles again.
I won't let the AI use anything that is not easily replaced.
I love the heavy rifles. I run one on a Marauder and two on the Victor you get after completing part of the campaign. I’ve been nailing some headshots with the Victor dual heavy rifle set up here lately. One shot kill. I love the sound of the rifles when they fire and the look of the impact.
I'm not a fan of rifles. Works great when enemies are sparse but they just don't shoot fast enough for major engagements with lots of bad guys.
The Mediums at higher tiers seem ok. I have the Black Knight P hero with one and three Large and Med lasers. I think the Smalls are lack-lustre and the Heavies are just grossly inefficient as demonstrated by this video.
That's why you have to chainlink them works great for me.
I built a Marauder with H rifle and two PPC, very nice.
That's why I pair them with large/ med lasers or uacs. Whittle down the armor then use the heavy rifles to land that fatal sucker punch. So satisfying!
Running around with a Vulcan, and installing a Rifle on it is fun... I did that in the beginning...
For King Crab I'd go Heavy Rifles on the Bottom of Claw, UAC 5 on top, that would work well. Or even UAC 2's on top for crazy bullet streams.
They are by far my favorite weapon. Your problem was you didnt go all in with them. Forget everything but the rifles and stack heat sinks.
Rifles need the Ballistics heat reduction skill, i ran nearly the same build and it was fantastic, as long as your allies can deal with the small stuff it cracks open mechs so fast
HR build is lethal as f*** but also very hot. I was able to kill Black Knight with an alpha strike, Stalker with 1 alpha strike + second SRM salvo. Do not brawle with this build. Hit hard and take cover to cool off and to reload. Higher tier (4 or 5) rifles and some upgrades are useful.
My Carapace runs all tier 5 heavy rifles and srm6. I head shot like a madman. I miss entirely very randomly. But I also only shoot 2 at a time unless alpha brawl. My biggest gripe is ai running in front of me during aim.
I have quad heavy rifles in my Annihilator, haven't found a king crab yet. Definitely super toasty, but I find it tons of fun.
New episode yay 😁
Oof, those gauss rifles. RIP.
I like heavy rifles as a complimentary weapon system. For example, I love using it in a marauder with 4 Medium short burst. Use the rifle to strip off armor and the lasers to defend yourself while it reloads.
I run 2x Gauss, 2x UAC. Sniper rifle with a chainsaw attached! Lol
Looks like your Corsair had a Gauss explosion fighting the Wolvie. Boom boom. 😭
How do you run two Gauss in medium ballistic slots?
@@blktom Expanded Hardpoints mod. It's the only one I'll run anymore, but makes the game a lot more enjoyable for me without being EZ mode.
(vaporizes some poor bastard with a single shot) "We have a 'YOU ARE DEAD' button!". (I full force blew my drink out my nose)
Heavy rifles are better brawling if you chain fire instead of broadside alpha strikes, the recoil is fine with the long firing cooldown to bring it back on target between each shot
Two Gauss and two Medium Rifles works extremely well together. Give it a shot!
You running a mod that allows you to throw heavy ballistic weapons in medium slots?
I'm fairly certain that heavy rifles are bugged when you fire 4 at once. The killyness of the CAR goes up when you go left right instead of all at once.
No idea what's causing it though. Be nice if someone else could confirm.
My drop partner says it's due to spaghetti code and ghost heat. When you fire 3 or more of the same weapon, PGI hits you with an extra heat penalty on top of the base heat.
Also, hitting the fire input before a weapon fully reloads aka holding down the fire button, appears to register the reloading weapon as an extra weapon and adds the heat penalty when it actually fires. There is also another ghost heat penalty when you have latency issues if you drop with other people.
We found out when he claimed my mechs were overcooled when in reality i'm an alpha strike addict, and the ghost heat was spiking throughout engagements
I built a hero Mauler KO with 2 ERLLSB, 2 LRM10 and 2 Heavy Rifle. The idea is to kneecap something with the ERLL and LRMs, then finish it with the rifles. So far it appears to be working. The Mauler can engage all sorts of targets and doesn't overheat, puts out 1.5k damage consistently
I found 2 heavy rifles and 2 lb10x was a lot of fun. Lb10x allowed constant fire and the heavy rifles would pop the damaged mechs
The last mission with the AC/10s shows one of the worst problems that I have with MW5 vs MWO, the weapon convergence is horrible since the effective weapon velocities are so much lower in this game. there were several shots he took that should have nailed the target, but since his lead pulled him off the target the convergence adjustment of the arms shifted to far past the range his target was actually at, making the shots miss/not hit pinpoint. I wish the convergence range adjustment was smarter about how it switches, right now it just shifts on a scan line of your targeting reticle, but it really should adjust based on the nearest target to your reticle.
In the Hero King Crab with 4 Tier 5 heavy rifles and 2 srm 6 Artemis. In the upgrades you put Max cooling for ballistics and heat dissipation and 1 into 10% ballistic damage. Then group fire 2 heavy rifles each and set the srm's to single fire. With this set up you'll only create about 25% heat and deal a whopping 52 damage each volley!
Just got this KC hero, i have 2x T4 AC 5 2x T4 AC 5 BF and 2x Lrm 15 ST, buit tbh i like this build , maybe 2x Heavy rifle 2x UAC 5 , but i gotta find minimal T4s of em first ;) TY for the awesome vid ^^
The heavy rifles really come into their own with 4 tier 5s they do a bit less heat and enough damage more that most medium and heavies are 1 shot ct
crazy how tier 4>5 halves the heat generation, absolutely critical for monsters like the HeavyR, 8 tons for hot gauss is so tasty
I certainly cannot wait for my quad heavy rifle king crab and annihilator 😁
Just found this video. My favorite setup for the King-CAR is 2 tier 5 Heavy Rifle-Burst and 2 tier 5 UAC 5’s with a LRM-20ST tier 5 and Tier 5 SRM6
I am fond of rifles as a secondary for their high pinpoint range and velocity
The rifles are fun. I play a Corsair PVT with 2x Heavy Rifles and 2x Binary lasers, the kill potential is so entertaining.
DC Spider: "I've lost a component!"
DC Command: "Which one, we'll order parts."
DC Spider: "Erm. Part number.... is.... SDR-5V"
DC Command: "That's.... that's your *mech*."
DC Spider: "Yep, that's the one. That's the component I'm missing now."
The rifles seem pretty underwhelming. The AC5 build was better, IMO
medium rifles seem more efficient for me, they feel like classic AC than the AC10 for me
The purpose of the rifle is to give lighter mechs a chance at a big punch, or fill in some of the random ballistic slots on heavies and assaults.
Like the shoulder mount on a Shadow Hawk, or filling in that AC slot on the MAD-3R
Dual Light Rifle Flea or Quad Light Rifle Black Widow are hilarious meme builds.
There's a mod you can get that doubles the effectiveness of the cantina perks, makes the time and money spent a lot more worthwhile
I enjoyed rifle.
Long range sniping is fun.
Luv and Peace.
One of my favourite annihilator loadouts involves two heavy rifles and two uac/5s, I use heavy rifles to nuke armour and the uacs as more constant damage.
I run 2x UAC5 + 2x LB10x + 2x srm6, really great balance of range and brawl firepower
Corsair build using my 2 favorite weapons systems in MechWarrior is my favorite. Hoping this Heavy Rifle build ends up cool and similar!
I think the 4x heavy rifles are just meme build.. imo the 4x uac 5s with srms is the best build on the carapace. Its fun and shreds, applicable too in warzone to farm for c-bills.
The Annihilator with 4x solid slugs with 7 small lasers or 4 MLs also shreds. I used 2-3 alphas with the 7 SLs can also delete mechs fast and single single alpha on lights.
Sure i mean 4x heavy rifles hit hard and can delate but the rate of fire is just too slow for my taste. 4x solid slugs deletes way faster.. nice episode though! Keep it up! 🍻
With the lack of cooling the DPS on the AC-10 build was slower than the pure Alpha strike damage of the Heavy Rifles. Plus they killed quicker
Heavy rifles by far. ditch the srm6 for better heat management. Thanks for your videos :)
Somehow I have the feeling the time to kill is kind of the same, but the only different is just the rate of fire and ammo consumption.
I love the rifles for when I have ballistic slots I wanna fill instead of just overcooling my mech. I tend to do double lights or a medium. Been playing around with Heavys but I got LBX10s now so we'll see lol
These heavy rifles are terribly inefficient but man are they fun to use lol...
The sentiment that the progression of the game is flawed I agree with. I was a tabletop BattleTech and MechWarrior player and If you followed the rule sets the game is very much about resource management and trying to squeeze out every C Bill. Now having said that, I pulled the trigger on buying this game as It looks a whole lot of fun if you look at it in an alternative BattleTech universe view. Hoping that a mod will be released to change that balance.
Steel Battalion vibes, who needs silly lasers when all you need is a well placed dumbfire missile and a pair of dual cannons
I like to run my king crab with 2 AC5 BF's, 2 heavy rifles and 2 SRM 6' all on chain fire. I usually keep the pressure up with the AC5s and alternate shredding them with heavy rifles and SRMs.
The Torso Twist upgrade isn't really worth the install cost, but the Turn Speed upgrade is a godsend in Heavy and Assault Mechs.
The heavy rifles remind me how I played and beat MW3... All Large Lasers. Point, shoot, shut-down. Restart. Repeat.
I much prefer heavy rifles to the hyper assault Gauss. They only do 1 heat per shot, but they aslo do continuous fire. And I overheated myself into oblivion. I'm using the Pirate Tech mod. The Pirate RAC/5's are really nice!
I think Heavy Rifles + AC5 combo build would be good.
Stupid question, how can I put the 6 white squares on the front for the weapon reload "warning"?. And the other thing, how can I switch to the different targets that fast? O.O, in my game I have to aim to the mech like 5 seconds before it's shown as target. O.O
I like Heavy rifle as a support weapon, when you have only one medium balistic slot and some large energy/missile weapons as primary. They are good at opening enemies at long range or deleting small mechs. Also mech legs - especialy WArhammers.
But I would never use them in alpha strike, chain fire gives you chance to start cooling and fix aim.
btw for uAC/5 build one of fun mech is hero Cataphrax - IM i think. 3 uac5, some backup weapons, good speed. Too bad these mechs come late in game, but even diff 100 is not a big problem, unless you are using mod for more intense warzones :)
I run 4 heavy rifles and a LRM 15 on King Crab for fliers and have zero issues with heat. Not every shot has to be an alpha strike your bias came through a bit there. Admittedly LBX SLD is probably going to be the most efficient build overall but heavy rifles are more than viable. AC20 levels of firepower in a medium slot what's not to like. The biggest issue is only 12 rounds in the ammo.
I made that exact configuration... And called it "The CrabPOW!"
I’ve used rifles, but with the mechs I’m stuck with, not viable, no extra slots for others but some wimpy lasers. And the arm kept getting wrecked, losing them. So now I salvage or buy good ones, and just saving them for better mechs. And I’m guessing I need to progress the campaign more to get bigger tonnage limits?
18:28: They are based on driving a huge chunk of metal in the face which then greets by exploding
I wish there was a training mode to test builds with your lance rather than risking your mech and equipment in missions
there kinda is, instant action lets you play with builds. sure I think there should be like training sim on the drop ship.....but this is pgi we are talking about.
@@Hierax415 oh ok I haven't tried it yet
Man I bet that King crab would make a fun and balanced ballistic build if you swapped out both those SRM6s and X2 Heavy rifles for X2 of those tier 4 AC10 Burst fires 29:30 some extra AC10 ammo and if possible another heat sink or two. You can use the X2 Heavy Rifles for targets around 800m and the AC10 Burstfire and Heavy Rifles for any target within 500M It looked like you could probably make shots easily at 100-200 meters with the Heavy rifles so despite being long range weapons the rifles can still be initial pinpoint burst damage on top of your AC10s or a finishing blow after stripping the armor down with dual AC10 burst fire dakka if you ever got into a brawl unwillingly.
Tier 5 Autocannon DPS Comparison:
AC/10: 5.77
LB 10-X AC-SLD: 7.7
Gauss: 4.12
UAC/5: 7
Coffin Rifle: 16
Heavy Rifle: 3.12
Light Rifle: 1.52
AC/5-BF: 6.3
AC/2-BF: 4.62
Chain Cannon: 6.35
Long Tom: 5.2
Cemetary Rifle: 17.55 (estimated, currently bugged)
Sniper Art.: 4.33
C-UAC/10: 8.32
C-UAC/5: 6.24
AC/20-BF: 10.83
C-AC/20: 8.67
AC/20: 7.22
C-Gauss: 4.12
I find that the heavy rifles are a butter weapon. Not great on their own but good to spice something up. For instance, a MAD-3R running 2x er large SB, 2x med pulse, and a heavy rifle has netted me some pretty fun games. Bur I don't think I'd boat this weapon system.
Umm, we were just reminding you of what you said you wanted to do with the ERPPC's. How did it suddenly turn into we were screaming that you needed to use them...LMAO
Another fun episode thanks Baradul...
It's like 1st person real time Battletech Light. I hope that one day the modding community can come back and update to inner sphere, maybe see something like RogueTech Light come to MW5IS, that be great!
I rather use a couple UAC20's in this type of situation. Rifles are basically poor man AC's after-all :) Unless the game has Hellstorm Artillery, then it can be pretty useful, lol (RogueTech thing).
I love that heavy rifle build. I use it myself and it rekts
I run an Annihilator with double heavy rifles and double LB-10Xs. It murders everything.
Autocannon was way more fun for sure. And i think also more effective.
This build does better with 4 tier 4 or 5 rifles, then it was coring instantly for me. Still nice seeing Baradul using it, because he just has better aim than me. lol
I like to imagine the recoil is so strong it KO's you a few seconds with every shot.
maybe change SRM6 to SRM 4 and use the tons for more heatsinks
I tried something a bit different.
2 LRM 20 Artemis, 4 Light Rifles.
Works great, even the AI can get over 1000 dmg in a war zone
Annihilator 1x has better convergence for the heavy rifles.
Tier 5 is pretty much instant kill on anything less than 60 tons. Up to 80 tons is red after being hut with a quad can opener.
@Baradul can't we get an all melee king crab build? I mean who doesn't like the idea of giving the enemies "THE CLAMPS" TM registered BPL probably
Just 3 short hours of play time, and Baradul finally figured out that he has to put his purchased 60point pilot into a cockpit.
By the time he does it, he completely forgot why he is not there in the first place?
Dementia, at such a young age? But next to noone in the comments of previous videos managed to notice that, too.
Both are wrong. Your forget to put your new skill 60 pilot in the lance. Good job. Maybe try the autocannon build in less hot environment. The first build from the last episode was just perfect.
Do you use a Joystick? if so what kind? Thank you.
Loved the rifles for the insane alpha strike, but settled on quad ac10 bf now
I really can't stand running the level of heat this guy does.
I like the rifles but they generate so much heat. Combining it with a mech that has a lot of energy weapons, it's going to heat up quickly.
Maybe your need two heavy rifles for range and two AC20s for close range