12:00 the thing with gear from reputations being pointless (because by the time you can purchase it you won't need it any more) is as old as Cataclysm. Maybe even older. Devs don't seem to be willing to learn that gear and recipes from reputations must be available early while later stages must be dedicated to vanity items.
Without the 'maybe', it is older. WotLK reps were already like that. Even the late BC new reps were already in that line. At any rate, the idea is (or at least was) to have that gear so players could have at least 'something' in case they had very bad luck with drops. It was never intended to improve progression, but to protect against bad luck.
well it is actually usefull if you have alts. With the current warbound renown system every alt I have gets their renown champ gear. They are only useless for your main.
Gotta say, I really just want them to keep, or expand the story options for raids and dungeons. I loved the ability to experience everything story related as a solo player.
Like actually being able to do the actual raid like follower dungeons for one thing. To pop in and do the raid with a bunch of npc and only slap the raid final boss with a couple of sticks isnt fun. Even if all the bosses are dumbed down, just to get a look an feel of the raid, being able to see a few of the minor mechanics, being able to understand what each boss is like before enduring the whole swimming pool of nails gauntlet... Sounds like a decent an logical idea honestly. Much better than how it was handled right now.
@@XCygnusX there's always some tryhard edgelord in the comments picking on someone who just wants to solo play or enjoy the story. Blizz already put the solo content and systems in the game. They do see value in those who like the rpg over mmo. Don't like it? Cry harder.
@ThatGuyBill1985 Rep grinds have always been grinds. I'm not here to play the game forever to get quality of life things in the raids that other games already have without an arbitrary gate keeping grind.
Renown ALWAYS is to slow to advance for it to be useful. Most people wont need the champ gear from the current renown systems by the time they get high enough to get it. This happens every time for "renown" and "reputation".
TIMEGATING IS NOT needed as if you make fun content, we will COME BACK on alts !!! Helping new noobie guildies and so forth. Make your core SATISFIED and EXCITED blizzard
yes it is, season would be dead way sooner. not all timegating is needed but some is. with this argument we ahould just remove raid lockouts. let me be a degenerate and farm allf of the raid loot in a week
Hydroxian Waterlords from Classic worked similarly with Molten Core, yet people didn’t complain about time gating back then, nor do they complain about that faction today. Makes you think
@@Syngrafer trust me, there were complaints even back in the day but most reputations really didnt reward as much as they do now. so it was mostly the ones required for raid quests like with AQ. its just people handwaved it and grumbled while they did the activities. plus most were kids at the time, so really they had all the time in the world even if they had complaints.
They really are zoned in on four months for catch up systems, for good or ill. The buff maxes out, and the puzzling cartel chip start around this mark, and that lines up roughly with the .07 patch, which is typically when alt catchup primarily kicks in.
for alts too, if I want to catch up on an alt I have to do well over 50-60 Mythic+ in the gilded crest tier and another 50-60 in the champion tier. I can barely stand to do more than 0-4 a week.
@@benismetahl5467 that there is no getting around of if you want an engaged player base, like were not going back to launch where there were guilds progging MC when Naxx was out
@ Disagree, Constant resets dont respect my time so I dont play anymore and that's the problem. Some gear could remain relevant throughout the expansion to soften this. There are other design solutions than constant band-aids
The only relevant currency and renown is from current patch. Everything else is irrelevant (maybe for cosmetics). What is your problem? In other garbage mmos those currencies are still used years after making all this shit worse
i miss when raid where like go to raid --> kill boss --> loot purple pixel --> be done with and enjoy your bis that DONT need to be upgraded or spreadsheet checked to know is it bis or not:)
This has always existed dude, people were just stupid back in the day! People look up bis gear, stats, guides etc etc, but thats a player problem not a blizzard problem🎉
@@Pandan3D were there not justicepoints in wrath? Didnt upgrade but u could buy gear with em, with m+ being in place what do you think is a better system? Imo scrap valor all togeter and keep crests
Time gating is fine as long as it's not too slow, taking 19 weeks to unlock everything is way too slow and they need to change it because there's gonna be a lot of people that might just quit regardless of whether the patch is awesome or not.
Timegating is done all for the sake of player retention. If players have to grind, they either stay and grind, or pop off to do something else. It is all designed to keep the sub cash constantly flowing...
@@barrelracer318nah dude that's a tinfoil hat take. The timegating makes sense from a game design perspective. Its basically the same reason bosses have lockouts.
@@TheSirtempest No tinfoil hat about it. Everything a large company does nowadays is to make money. $90 mounts included. If Blizz let the game flow like players would like, players would play till they get satisfied, and stop playing till the next step comes about. Its all about the subscriptions. Especially now with whoever is running the financial department. An I hope they dont start doing like D4 is doing. You have to pay for the game an the latest DLC. Seriously all about money and there isnt much more about it. Easily told by how deaf and blind blizz has been to all the complaints about the game changes being made constantly. No company does anything lately without the sake of money.
Blizz definitely has a pacing problem with loot, I remember I was big into delves at the start of the ex-pack. I don't think I need to remind anyone how bad some of the gear rewards were for that. 540ilvl gear after like 80 delves where you've probably geared yourself to over 613 just from that let alone if you do other activities too
Im thinking of getting into retail again but man, you pay for an expansion, for a sub, the game has in game shop, wow token and yet it still time gates everything.
The shop is basically invisible unless you actively go into the main menu and search for it and frankly there isn’t *that* much stuff in there. It’s a tiny fraction of what you’d find in ESO which also hits you in the face with the Crown Store every time you log in. They’ve made a good effort in recent years to shift more and more systems over to being deterministic instead of time gated, so it’s less of an issue than it used to be. In this case I suspect they’ll start conservative and then speed it up based on player feedback. They’ve been much better at listening to the player base these days, and far less arrogant, willing to rapidly make changes as they go. I’m not suggesting the game is perfect, but the rate of player friendly meaningful improvements over the past four years is the highest I’ve ever seen.
"So close to nailing it" has been the case for the last 15 years. A legacy of unrealized potential. Take no chances, innovate nothing, copy-paste content, half-bake new features, wait 10 years to finish cooking them, add expansions that never actually expand the game, and instead just render all previous expansion irrelevant.
For all of it's faults (and there was A LOT I couldn't hope to list in a reasonable amount of time) one thing I liked about Cata is it actually expanded the world by slotting the new zones in to the old world rather than being another case of Instance of Continent/Islandcraft. In retrospect the expansion model, ignoring the business perspective (which is seemingly good considering they redo it constantly), hasn't been the best. Right now 90% of the game is a Ship of Theseus held together by duct-tape and glue going unused. The whole thing needs an overhaul and clear vision, WoW is really in need of Palingenesis, which the argument is always "Cata did it! And look how bad it was!" to that I must say Cata was too soon, it tried to fix what was not yet broken for the sake of appeal/efficiency. Blizzard needs to throw out the glue and duct-tape and build a new ship. Ultimately the big issue is nobody trusts modern Blizzard with such a project, and from Blizzard's perspective, the risks outweigh the rewards.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark People complained soooo much about Cataclysm changing the landscapes that they sure have it in a "never again" list. They do need to hard reset on most things. They already sacrificed most their subscriptions since Legion. A massive overhaul over-weighs the risk of the eternal stagnation. Dragonflight took a great risk that kinda payed off... I mean... *Classic servers are empty*
@@hrodbjartrSure retail is doing better now but the Classic servers feel "empty" becsuse of playerbase fragmentation, and even then on every different version there are enough people to have things running smoothly.
Remove the timegating, Blizz. It's literally the thing that's going to kill interest in this patch and the game. Also, walk back the Tank\Healer nerfs that you started with this xpac. We dont want you to improvise. Dumb it down.
I don’t see anything good here , all I see is more horrendous grinding , don’t need another rep system for cosmetic junk , sure some of the QOL stuff is nice all but at the end of the day it’s still junk . This patch just keep feeling more and more like there 100% relying on cars to be fun because everything else just seems like there making the grind worse because there is no content . Nothing in these systems actually fix the fking problem and that’s the loot in raiding is absolutely atrocious, not only is the need greed a horrible ass system , the loot per boss is garbage , vault is garbage , nothing here fixes the true problem and that’s raid gearing is fking horrible and to make matters worse there taking gear away from people from the 1600 PvP etc. Want to fix raiding , boost the loot drops , get rid of the fking vault and stop relying on RNG for gear and stupid external buffs , if you had a proper fking gearing system then you won’t need buff assistance for raids etc and garbage ass crests don’t do anything if you don’t get any loot .
WoW is a Ship of Theseus being held together with duct-tape and glue with 90% of it going unused. Blizzard needs to put down the duct-tape and glue and build a new ship with a clear vision. The main problem is, nobody trusts current Blizzard with such a task, and Blizzard doesn't have any real financial incentive to do it either.
Blizzard over complicating they systems as usual. If they want to balance their raids by buffing characters over time to slowly and steadily make the content easier over time, just do it. No track is needed. If they apply the changes to everyone towards the end of the season it might become easy enough that more casuals will give it a try.
I agree the cap is bad. Personally I'd have loved to see it removed; let me play as much as I want to, I'm paying the sub. But those days of infinite grind are over. I miss those days.
I hate it. I dislike the Renown system already. My guild does normal and heroic raiding and once we’ve cleared three or four times we stop. So I don’t see getting Renown 20 even if Blizzard didn’t time gate it.
They certainly need to fine-tune the pacing, but as a collector I'm looking forward to being able to come back in a few expansions, catch it up nice and fast, get a teleport and speed boosts and just go ham. I wish they'd add this kind of renown to all older raids, and I hope they keep this going forward.
If we all stoped playing for few months, they would do necessary changes. Nothing gets you motivated more then losing shit tone of money. Maybe that way they would get rid of the all the shit devs that dont even play this game, and actually get some who care about the product they sell
MMOs should not be designed for 100% solo play. The clue is in the name. If you don't do the raid, this renown is useless for you. LFR exists. If you really, REALLY need it, it'll be soloable in a few years, it'll still be in the game and be just as useful, so there's no issue other than the one you're trying to find.
Why repair stations? We have auto hammers. Auctioneer in the raid lobby? You know what? Just remove moving from the game and let us select spots for instant teleportation. Make one food for everyone so we don't need different food. Remove gear type so we can all wear the same. Blizzard is changing things that make something else useless. They should change the name to the Expansion of Warcraft because anything besides the expansion is useless.
I just wish the trading post was not so Fomo esque because 90% of the stuff I dont really care for and the stuff I would want is likely gone for months. Just let me buy the things I want so I can mog a cool outfit or fly the mount that I like.
Blizzard does not know how to design a good MMORPG. Part of the problem is that you have channels like these who pat them on the back for doing the bare minimum every so often just to then turn around and make some clickbaity negative video later on. The cycle never ends because you contribute to the problems almost directly by playing, making content, doing anything related to this game or any of their games. They don't care and don't want to improve anything really.
Currently unsubbed since Oct/Nov 2024. Did not sub back for Siren Isle and not subbing for season2 until 2-3 months into season2. I can then farm whatever I want in M+ and Raid and have fun without this stupid timegating. Everyone should do it. It's the only way Blizzard stops with this timegating bs. Most of my guildmates doing the same. Playing other games for the time being. If you sub to season2 day 1 and complain about timegating, it's your own fault. This also incentives Blizzard to keep adding more timegating and drain your sub time.
Wait did I hear him correctly? They are removing the tier tokens from KSM, 1600 PvP rating, and Heroic raid clear? I thought they were buffing that by adding a token for each rather than 1 token by doing 1 of the 3?
I have not enjoyed the renown stuff this expansion soo far. There has been very little rewards that actually felt meaningful when I got them. All the top tier rewards I have already out geared, sure great for alts but I dont do alts. I really do hope they listen and bring those rewards forward, being soo late feels like the same thing over again.
Unless they make the entire game like 25-50% easier, it won't matter. Just make a buff that's simple like the ICC buff. Do that = win. Don't do that... stonk go down.
I am very happy they are adding this reward progression system into raids that is NOT going away like seasons! I hate the FOMO induced seasons and their rewards, like if WoW is the only game and thing to do in the world!
They have been "close to nailing it" since wrath, and it's been only downhill from there. You know, if someone keeps making the same mistakes over and over again, despite receiving an avalanche of warnings, criticism, and objections about their decisions, and they keep doing it then walking back when they realize they're driving people away, at some point you have to just ask yourself if these are genuine mistakes at all or if they are intentionally calculated decisions aimed to be "walked back" as a way to display that they are "listening" despite all of the signs and warnings they saw since day one. You can only keep making the same mistake over and over again for a while before it becomes painfully clear that you have no intention of correcting your own behavior and everything about it is playing out exactly as intended. The good old "fool me once shame on you" schtick no longer works if this is the 1000 time you're being fooled...
There's an old saying.. It's takes more time and energy to lie or do the wrong things than it does to be honest or do the right things... Use the time and resources to give us what we are asking for and we stay subbed. Instead they spend more time figuring out how to screw us and then forces them to lie to keep trying to screw us.
Here is why the cap on renown bothers me. I plan to run this raid on multiple characters because there are so many nice sets of gear to be acquired. So, as mentioned by Bellular, I will not be running this raid much beyond 8 to 12 weeks for this renown. Now I am thinking catch up might be more worth my time.
I can understand the pacing to keep people motivated to do raiding for longer. It does seem a bit long to be doing it for so many weeks. Maybe the rewards towards the end should be less about gearing and more about unique rewards/appearances and the gearing rewards should be a bit earlier so you can get that last piece you need to help finish the raid last boss. Maybe dropping it down to 1.5 renown levels per week instead.
the people that work at blizzard RIGHT NOW have a ZERO % chance to EVER understand why people are leaving and they will FOREVER do the same mistakes unless NEW PEOPLE get in charge.
The timegating on that feature means that if this system had been implemented for the current Raid, you would barely have finished it a week or two ago... Who, outside of Mythic Raiders, is still running the current Raid in January 2025? For real... I hope this timegate BS doesn't go through.
Blizzard makes a strong trinket like spymasters again. early season, everyone wants the trinket. Then the dinar comes out at week 5 or smth. Now everyone just buys it and any more that drop get disenchanted
Double the cap allow out-of-raid catchup with DRIVE missions or something no other catch up mechanic everyone wins. you still have to put in a lot of work to catch up but aren't limited by raid lockouts
I dunno. They should just remove the cap and, if you’re a really good raid team, you fill the bar faster. I wouldn’t even care if they let you get rep from different difficulties multiple times a week per boss. Just make it so higher levels give higher rep.
Know what the biggest feature killing flaw Blizz has? Allowing their staff to call for death threats publicly against those they politically disagree with. So progressive and inclusive.
It's frustrating that they still have not figured out that time-gaiting progression content is turning people off. Let the people play the way they want, when they want. Don't give us a 16-week job contract.
they should also buff proffesions. in dragonflight we had these weekly quests that give proffesion knowledge and same in ww. but i believe they should be changed to 2* per week on next tier release. and when we get next raid they should be daily. and when expansion is over they are all available and repeatable infinitely.
The fineary buff was a cool idea but just doing more damage means nothing on princess and silken court where both fights have a relatively low dps check esensstially means the fineary did mostly nothing on those fights.
Bare minimum weekly cap should be the same as the rep from a raid clear. It being 1/2 is dumb. Any guild can easily (and usually does) clear the lower difficulty during prog. And yeah gear token should be instead of buffs. Feels better.
I havent played since Cata and i gave my old account away 10 years ago. How hard would it be for me to get back in? I see soooo many changes and additions which feels really overwhelming.
you just have to lvl up to lvl 80. at lvl 80 go to siren isle you get easy 584 ilvl gear . there you get a ring at 639 ilvl upgradable in few hours by doing quests to 658ilvl. you dont have to do dungeons or raids to get lfr lvl gear(ilvl 590). its the end of this patch so you'll get easy catch up gear. the big change from cata is you get lfr lvl gear from easy outdoor content or delves(solo dungeons type)
So.... anything that is quality of life in that renown track; why isn't it in the base raid experience? I swear Blizzard loves just taking a dump on the floor, letting you whiff it all in for a while and then pat themselves on the back when they finally get around to cleaning it up. Except they do a half ass job cleaning it up and don't open the windows, so you get to keep soaking it in just a bit longer.
I dont mind some time gating but 17 weeks for a gear token is a LONG time and, I agree with you that at least one of those tokens should come earlier even if the other stays where its at. Either way this new patch looks really good and im excited especially because it looks like I will actually have things to do considering the fix to myth+ and delves giving gilded now and the new raid looking great.
Hot Sauce reads like it just increases how much your consumables provide in stats while in the raid. Nothing about a fire breath or damage, not sure where that came from.
I only play WoW for the story. I'm also i solo player, I don't like guilds or playing with others unless its another real life friend. Every guild that i have been in over my years of playing (since TBC) every one of them forced me to level faster or demanded that i heal for them. every one. so i no longer like guilds at all. I also don't like killing the same boss over and over again for a chance for something you need or an upgrade that may drop. If there was a guaranteed drop for something you need then yeah I'd be all for it, only on LFR level though. I don't want to spend hours doing a raid and not recieve anything for it... for me that's frustrating and a waste of time.
cool but it seems like its going to be way too slow to progress through this, one would have to raid each week, maybe multiple times per day with no downtime. Fine for more hardcore people but for more casual raiders who maybe don't have time to raid each week due to work conflicts or whatever will be left behind. Why not just have these things in the raid by default like some other games do instead of having to grind for it? And im guessing this progress will reset with each raid season which makes it kind of pointless
I don't like retail, unfortunately, but I like retail's visuals, and I hope, someday, Blizzard gives is the option to use new visuals (or not) PS: I'm talking about the OPTION for turning new visuals on/off, if you are an 'old visuals are better' person, you can still play the game with shitty graphics lol
He also said that there is a 2500 rep cap, which will increase by 2500 every week. So week 1 you can only get 2500 rep, week 2 you can either get another 2500, week 3 it's another 2500 for a total of 7500, etc. Even if you clear the raid three times for supposedly 15k during those three weeks, you're still not going to get more than 7500.
12:00 the thing with gear from reputations being pointless (because by the time you can purchase it you won't need it any more) is as old as Cataclysm. Maybe even older. Devs don't seem to be willing to learn that gear and recipes from reputations must be available early while later stages must be dedicated to vanity items.
Like I said in another comment. Replace the WoW team. These guys/girls/they/thems can't get it right.
@@ThyFleshConsumedOh shut up
Without the 'maybe', it is older. WotLK reps were already like that. Even the late BC new reps were already in that line. At any rate, the idea is (or at least was) to have that gear so players could have at least 'something' in case they had very bad luck with drops. It was never intended to improve progression, but to protect against bad luck.
The gear from these can be upgraded to mythic level.
well it is actually usefull if you have alts. With the current warbound renown system every alt I have gets their renown champ gear. They are only useless for your main.
Gotta say, I really just want them to keep, or expand the story options for raids and dungeons. I loved the ability to experience everything story related as a solo player.
Like actually being able to do the actual raid like follower dungeons for one thing. To pop in and do the raid with a bunch of npc and only slap the raid final boss with a couple of sticks isnt fun. Even if all the bosses are dumbed down, just to get a look an feel of the raid, being able to see a few of the minor mechanics, being able to understand what each boss is like before enduring the whole swimming pool of nails gauntlet... Sounds like a decent an logical idea honestly. Much better than how it was handled right now.
Tell us you're terrible without saying you're terrible
Make Raids Soloable
@@XCygnusX there's always some tryhard edgelord in the comments picking on someone who just wants to solo play or enjoy the story. Blizz already put the solo content and systems in the game. They do see value in those who like the rpg over mmo. Don't like it? Cry harder.
I forgot story mode was a thing.
Locking Quality of LIfe behind a grind. Very Blizzard, much wow.
A grind. You mean playing the game?
@ThatGuyBill1985 Rep grinds have always been grinds. I'm not here to play the game forever to get quality of life things in the raids that other games already have without an arbitrary gate keeping grind.
Renown ALWAYS is to slow to advance for it to be useful. Most people wont need the champ gear from the current renown systems by the time they get high enough to get it. This happens every time for "renown" and "reputation".
It’s for casual players who don’t play high end content, and transmog
@@Cultist-Cat LFR gear makes it obsolete alone..
@@Gungrave123 there is a decent chunk of playerbase that doesnt even do lfr
is that a bad thing tho? do you really want to grind rep at the start of the season on top of doing all other activities ?
@@Cultist-Cat The gear from renown is for casuals transmogers? That sounds like come copioum trying to justify Blizz behavior to me.
TIMEGATING IS NOT needed as if you make fun content, we will COME BACK on alts !!! Helping new noobie guildies and so forth. Make your core SATISFIED and EXCITED blizzard
Objectively wrong
yes it is, season would be dead way sooner.
not all timegating is needed but some is.
with this argument we ahould just remove raid lockouts. let me be a degenerate and farm allf of the raid loot in a week
Time gating is what's killing WoW, literally feels like an mobile game at this point! REMEMBER TO LOGIN TODAYYY
You can catch up at any point, you don't need to log in if you don't want to which you will anyway but let's whinge a little why not.
Hydroxian Waterlords from Classic worked similarly with Molten Core, yet people didn’t complain about time gating back then, nor do they complain about that faction today. Makes you think
@@SyngraferBack then people had no alternative to wow and were young with free time.
Now theres too many games and wow players have jobs.
only thing missing is a premium currency option to forgo the timer.
@@Syngrafer trust me, there were complaints even back in the day but most reputations really didnt reward as much as they do now. so it was mostly the ones required for raid quests like with AQ. its just people handwaved it and grumbled while they did the activities. plus most were kids at the time, so really they had all the time in the world even if they had complaints.
They really are zoned in on four months for catch up systems, for good or ill. The buff maxes out, and the puzzling cartel chip start around this mark, and that lines up roughly with the .07 patch, which is typically when alt catchup primarily kicks in.
Blizzard, comes up with a cool idea.
Also Blizzard.. "okay, now how can we slow people down with arbitrary time-gating?"
It’s as much about time gating it so you stay subbed longer as any of the other reasons.
New treadmill, better than the old treadmill; this time we promise for sure!
Seeing this timegating makes me glad i stayed away from this expansion. Seems that Blizzard still didn't learn
They really think I will waste my life running a raid for 19 weeks? I can barely get myself to do a raid more than two or tree times.
Catch up mechanics are *absolutely* necessary for returning players to not always feel behind.
but there is no catch up mechanic for professions so there still behind
they are a Band-Aid fix
for alts too, if I want to catch up on an alt I have to do well over 50-60 Mythic+ in the gilded crest tier and another 50-60 in the champion tier. I can barely stand to do more than 0-4 a week.
@@benismetahl5467 that there is no getting around of if you want an engaged player base, like were not going back to launch where there were guilds progging MC when Naxx was out
@ Disagree, Constant resets dont respect my time so I dont play anymore and that's the problem. Some gear could remain relevant throughout the expansion to soften this. There are other design solutions than constant band-aids
So many currencies. So many reputations. They become meaningless.
when i look back at all my left over currencies, most of them come from bfa lol
How do we keep people playing? I know! More grinding useless doodads! I hate that it works on me... 😢
The only relevant currency and renown is from current patch. Everything else is irrelevant (maybe for cosmetics). What is your problem? In other garbage mmos those currencies are still used years after making all this shit worse
17 weeks is insanity, this is such an out of touch decision.
i miss when raid where like go to raid --> kill boss --> loot purple pixel --> be done with and enjoy your bis that DONT need to be upgraded or spreadsheet checked to know is it bis or not:)
This has always existed dude, people were just stupid back in the day! People look up bis gear, stats, guides etc etc, but thats a player problem not a blizzard problem🎉
@@kevinvegerud205 Upgrading your gear always existed...? Having to farm valor stones and stuff always existed?...?
@@kevinvegerud205 are you 5??
@@Pandan3D were there not justicepoints in wrath? Didnt upgrade but u could buy gear with em, with m+ being in place what do you think is a better system? Imo scrap valor all togeter and keep crests
@@mikali1704 what?
Time gating is fine as long as it's not too slow, taking 19 weeks to unlock everything is way too slow and they need to change it because there's gonna be a lot of people that might just quit regardless of whether the patch is awesome or not.
Why do they do the time gate crap AGAIN.
Timegating is done all for the sake of player retention. If players have to grind, they either stay and grind, or pop off to do something else. It is all designed to keep the sub cash constantly flowing...
@@barrelracer318nah dude that's a tinfoil hat take. The timegating makes sense from a game design perspective. Its basically the same reason bosses have lockouts.
just unsub until tis not timegated anymore?
@@1un4cy I'm seriously considering doing this.
@@TheSirtempest No tinfoil hat about it. Everything a large company does nowadays is to make money. $90 mounts included. If Blizz let the game flow like players would like, players would play till they get satisfied, and stop playing till the next step comes about. Its all about the subscriptions. Especially now with whoever is running the financial department. An I hope they dont start doing like D4 is doing. You have to pay for the game an the latest DLC. Seriously all about money and there isnt much more about it. Easily told by how deaf and blind blizz has been to all the complaints about the game changes being made constantly. No company does anything lately without the sake of money.
Blizz definitely has a pacing problem with loot, I remember I was big into delves at the start of the ex-pack. I don't think I need to remind anyone how bad some of the gear rewards were for that. 540ilvl gear after like 80 delves where you've probably geared yourself to over 613 just from that let alone if you do other activities too
Im thinking of getting into retail again but man, you pay for an expansion, for a sub, the game has in game shop, wow token and yet it still time gates everything.
Raid progression is sort of inherently a time gated enterprise, though, isn't it? Since it's tied to weekly resets.
The shop is basically invisible unless you actively go into the main menu and search for it and frankly there isn’t *that* much stuff in there. It’s a tiny fraction of what you’d find in ESO which also hits you in the face with the Crown Store every time you log in. They’ve made a good effort in recent years to shift more and more systems over to being deterministic instead of time gated, so it’s less of an issue than it used to be. In this case I suspect they’ll start conservative and then speed it up based on player feedback. They’ve been much better at listening to the player base these days, and far less arrogant, willing to rapidly make changes as they go. I’m not suggesting the game is perfect, but the rate of player friendly meaningful improvements over the past four years is the highest I’ve ever seen.
@@tronam I've played since 2009 and I couldn't have said it better myself. Honestly the most responsive they've been since I've been playing
you don't need to come back
you can ignore the shop.
"So close to nailing it" has been the case for the last 15 years. A legacy of unrealized potential. Take no chances, innovate nothing, copy-paste content, half-bake new features, wait 10 years to finish cooking them, add expansions that never actually expand the game, and instead just render all previous expansion irrelevant.
For all of it's faults (and there was A LOT I couldn't hope to list in a reasonable amount of time) one thing I liked about Cata is it actually expanded the world by slotting the new zones in to the old world rather than being another case of Instance of Continent/Islandcraft. In retrospect the expansion model, ignoring the business perspective (which is seemingly good considering they redo it constantly), hasn't been the best. Right now 90% of the game is a Ship of Theseus held together by duct-tape and glue going unused. The whole thing needs an overhaul and clear vision, WoW is really in need of Palingenesis, which the argument is always "Cata did it! And look how bad it was!" to that I must say Cata was too soon, it tried to fix what was not yet broken for the sake of appeal/efficiency. Blizzard needs to throw out the glue and duct-tape and build a new ship. Ultimately the big issue is nobody trusts modern Blizzard with such a project, and from Blizzard's perspective, the risks outweigh the rewards.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark People complained soooo much about Cataclysm changing the landscapes that they sure have it in a "never again" list. They do need to hard reset on most things. They already sacrificed most their subscriptions since Legion. A massive overhaul over-weighs the risk of the eternal stagnation. Dragonflight took a great risk that kinda payed off... I mean... *Classic servers are empty*
@@hrodbjartrSure retail is doing better now but the Classic servers feel "empty" becsuse of playerbase fragmentation, and even then on every different version there are enough people to have things running smoothly.
Remove the timegating, Blizz. It's literally the thing that's going to kill interest in this patch and the game. Also, walk back the Tank\Healer nerfs that you started with this xpac. We dont want you to improvise. Dumb it down.
I don’t see anything good here , all I see is more horrendous grinding , don’t need another rep system for cosmetic junk , sure some of the QOL stuff is nice all but at the end of the day it’s still junk . This patch just keep feeling more and more like there 100% relying on cars to be fun because everything else just seems like there making the grind worse because there is no content .
Nothing in these systems actually fix the fking problem and that’s the loot in raiding is absolutely atrocious, not only is the need greed a horrible ass system , the loot per boss is garbage , vault is garbage , nothing here fixes the true problem and that’s raid gearing is fking horrible and to make matters worse there taking gear away from people from the 1600 PvP etc.
Want to fix raiding , boost the loot drops , get rid of the fking vault and stop relying on RNG for gear and stupid external buffs , if you had a proper fking gearing system then you won’t need buff assistance for raids etc and garbage ass crests don’t do anything if you don’t get any loot .
Does LFR count cause this is gonna suck for us who can't get living guilds
Holy bots in these comments lol
Feelin' a bit outnumbered lol
advertisers pay more because RUclips claims they aren't bots lol
I don't see bots
They should just remove the time gates, honestly they're so stupid, people aren't gonna stop playing the game if they do that.
I really like the renown track for raids, allows one to easily see what you're working towards, plus combines with world contents tracker.
WoW is a Ship of Theseus being held together with duct-tape and glue with 90% of it going unused. Blizzard needs to put down the duct-tape and glue and build a new ship with a clear vision. The main problem is, nobody trusts current Blizzard with such a task, and Blizzard doesn't have any real financial incentive to do it either.
Blizzard over complicating they systems as usual. If they want to balance their raids by buffing characters over time to slowly and steadily make the content easier over time, just do it. No track is needed. If they apply the changes to everyone towards the end of the season it might become easy enough that more casuals will give it a try.
I agree the cap is bad. Personally I'd have loved to see it removed; let me play as much as I want to, I'm paying the sub. But those days of infinite grind are over. I miss those days.
Sounds pretty wack
If we like it "too much" it blizz will take it back in the next patch. Blizz hates letting the game be fun and rewarding.
I can’t be the only one that feels that WoW is increasingly being designed more like a mobile game than an mmorpg
My sub goes out the door the day it crosses that boundary in earnest.
You already forgot Legion playing itself, huh?
@@barrelracer318 WoW already went there with the mission tables.
I hate it. I dislike the Renown system already. My guild does normal and heroic raiding and once we’ve cleared three or four times we stop. So I don’t see getting Renown 20 even if Blizzard didn’t time gate it.
You don't have to and people who like to do more can still have a reason.
Well you won't get rewards which now are non existent. So don't cry.
@@aaronjohnson2215don't cry
@@aaronjohnson2215don't cry
Then why are you complaining, if you stop after that long then this shouldn't matter.
They certainly need to fine-tune the pacing, but as a collector I'm looking forward to being able to come back in a few expansions, catch it up nice and fast, get a teleport and speed boosts and just go ham. I wish they'd add this kind of renown to all older raids, and I hope they keep this going forward.
If we all stoped playing for few months, they would do necessary changes. Nothing gets you motivated more then losing shit tone of money. Maybe that way they would get rid of the all the shit devs that dont even play this game, and actually get some who care about the product they sell
P. S. 19 weeks is not "almost four months" it's almost five. (about 11:30 into the video)
Built-in FOMO. Blizzard needs it to keep people playing the game and paying for subs because end-game is that bad.
all they are achieving is keeping me unsubbed.
This is great news! I was already excited for the next patch, now I'm really excited!
These are some legitimate project ascension type of QOL features. I’m proud of blizzard.
Just double the speed. 10 weeks for everything is fine and we can move on to the next drama.
Great renown for people that don’t raid often as a solo player lol
MMOs should not be designed for 100% solo play. The clue is in the name.
If you don't do the raid, this renown is useless for you.
LFR exists.
If you really, REALLY need it, it'll be soloable in a few years, it'll still be in the game and be just as useful, so there's no issue other than the one you're trying to find.
Why repair stations? We have auto hammers. Auctioneer in the raid lobby?
You know what? Just remove moving from the game and let us select spots for instant teleportation. Make one food for everyone so we don't need different food. Remove gear type so we can all wear the same. Blizzard is changing things that make something else useless. They should change the name to the Expansion of Warcraft because anything besides the expansion is useless.
I just wish the trading post was not so Fomo esque because 90% of the stuff I dont really care for and the stuff I would want is likely gone for months. Just let me buy the things I want so I can mog a cool outfit or fly the mount that I like.
Blizzard does not know how to design a good MMORPG. Part of the problem is that you have channels like these who pat them on the back for doing the bare minimum every so often just to then turn around and make some clickbaity negative video later on. The cycle never ends because you contribute to the problems almost directly by playing, making content, doing anything related to this game or any of their games. They don't care and don't want to improve anything really.
Currently unsubbed since Oct/Nov 2024. Did not sub back for Siren Isle and not subbing for season2 until 2-3 months into season2. I can then farm whatever I want in M+ and Raid and have fun without this stupid timegating. Everyone should do it. It's the only way Blizzard stops with this timegating bs. Most of my guildmates doing the same. Playing other games for the time being.
If you sub to season2 day 1 and complain about timegating, it's your own fault. This also incentives Blizzard to keep adding more timegating and drain your sub time.
This game just keeps making me go on burnout hiatus.... it's so messy and overwhelming
Wait did I hear him correctly? They are removing the tier tokens from KSM, 1600 PvP rating, and Heroic raid clear? I thought they were buffing that by adding a token for each rather than 1 token by doing 1 of the 3?
19 weeks is almost 5 months, not 4
I have not enjoyed the renown stuff this expansion soo far. There has been very little rewards that actually felt meaningful when I got them. All the top tier rewards I have already out geared, sure great for alts but I dont do alts. I really do hope they listen and bring those rewards forward, being soo late feels like the same thing over again.
Unless they make the entire game like 25-50% easier, it won't matter. Just make a buff that's simple like the ICC buff. Do that = win. Don't do that... stonk go down.
I am very happy they are adding this reward progression system into raids that is NOT going away like seasons! I hate the FOMO induced seasons and their rewards, like if WoW is the only game and thing to do in the world!
They have been "close to nailing it" since wrath, and it's been only downhill from there. You know, if someone keeps making the same mistakes over and over again, despite receiving an avalanche of warnings, criticism, and objections about their decisions, and they keep doing it then walking back when they realize they're driving people away, at some point you have to just ask yourself if these are genuine mistakes at all or if they are intentionally calculated decisions aimed to be "walked back" as a way to display that they are "listening" despite all of the signs and warnings they saw since day one.
You can only keep making the same mistake over and over again for a while before it becomes painfully clear that you have no intention of correcting your own behavior and everything about it is playing out exactly as intended.
The good old "fool me once shame on you" schtick no longer works if this is the 1000 time you're being fooled...
Renown is such a crap mechanic imo. it feels so gimmicky.
There's an old saying.. It's takes more time and energy to lie or do the wrong things than it does to be honest or do the right things...
Use the time and resources to give us what we are asking for and we stay subbed. Instead they spend more time figuring out how to screw us and then forces them to lie to keep trying to screw us.
Here is why the cap on renown bothers me. I plan to run this raid on multiple characters because there are so many nice sets of gear to be acquired. So, as mentioned by Bellular, I will not be running this raid much beyond 8 to 12 weeks for this renown. Now I am thinking catch up might be more worth my time.
20 years later Blizzard has discovered that running back is not gameplay
I can understand the pacing to keep people motivated to do raiding for longer. It does seem a bit long to be doing it for so many weeks. Maybe the rewards towards the end should be less about gearing and more about unique rewards/appearances and the gearing rewards should be a bit earlier so you can get that last piece you need to help finish the raid last boss. Maybe dropping it down to 1.5 renown levels per week instead.
💯 they said war within would have a faster pace, I thought 2-3 month seasons was going to be the norm.
15:25 The only actual reason they time gate shit is so they can keep people playing and paying for subscription over several months for each patch.
If they want new players they really f-ed up cause for a new player the question wich wow version to play is mindblowing
Oeehh that mount actually looks so different. Cool!
When is the patch going live tho? Or still no date
the people that work at blizzard RIGHT NOW have a ZERO % chance to EVER understand why people are leaving and they will FOREVER do the same mistakes unless NEW PEOPLE get in charge.
blizzard is finally giving us a T-rex mount! Bout time
The timegating on that feature means that if this system had been implemented for the current Raid, you would barely have finished it a week or two ago...
Who, outside of Mythic Raiders, is still running the current Raid in January 2025? For real... I hope this timegate BS doesn't go through.
Blizzard makes a strong trinket like spymasters again. early season, everyone wants the trinket. Then the dinar comes out at week 5 or smth. Now everyone just buys it and any more that drop get disenchanted
Double the cap
allow out-of-raid catchup with DRIVE missions or something
no other catch up mechanic
everyone wins. you still have to put in a lot of work to catch up but aren't limited by raid lockouts
I dunno. They should just remove the cap and, if you’re a really good raid team, you fill the bar faster. I wouldn’t even care if they let you get rep from different difficulties multiple times a week per boss. Just make it so higher levels give higher rep.
Know what the biggest feature killing flaw Blizz has? Allowing their staff to call for death threats publicly against those they politically disagree with. So progressive and inclusive.
We need someone who brings the truth to Blizzard like you!
It's frustrating that they still have not figured out that time-gaiting progression content is turning people off. Let the people play the way they want, when they want. Don't give us a 16-week job contract.
They're going to do more than this to make it not convoluted enough for anyone to come back in mass.
I was almost excited...what a freaking drog of a letdown.
they should also buff proffesions.
in dragonflight we had these weekly quests that give proffesion knowledge and same in ww.
but i believe they should be changed to 2* per week on next tier release.
and when we get next raid they should be daily.
and when expansion is over they are all available and repeatable infinitely.
8:06 my heart stopped
Nothing out of all these matters, by the time you reach the reputation you are already deep into Mythic
The fineary buff was a cool idea but just doing more damage means nothing on princess and silken court where both fights have a relatively low dps check esensstially means the fineary did mostly nothing on those fights.
Bare minimum weekly cap should be the same as the rep from a raid clear. It being 1/2 is dumb.
Any guild can easily (and usually does) clear the lower difficulty during prog.
And yeah gear token should be instead of buffs. Feels better.
I havent played since Cata and i gave my old account away 10 years ago. How hard would it be for me to get back in? I see soooo many changes and additions which feels really overwhelming.
you just have to lvl up to lvl 80.
at lvl 80 go to siren isle you get easy 584 ilvl gear .
there you get a ring at 639 ilvl upgradable in few hours by doing quests to 658ilvl.
you dont have to do dungeons or raids to get lfr lvl gear(ilvl 590).
its the end of this patch so you'll get easy catch up gear.
the big change from cata is you get lfr lvl gear from easy outdoor content or delves(solo dungeons type)
Easier than ever
So.... anything that is quality of life in that renown track; why isn't it in the base raid experience? I swear Blizzard loves just taking a dump on the floor, letting you whiff it all in for a while and then pat themselves on the back when they finally get around to cleaning it up. Except they do a half ass job cleaning it up and don't open the windows, so you get to keep soaking it in just a bit longer.
as a warlock, i do not approve of the mass ress gadget thingamajig.
I dont mind some time gating but 17 weeks for a gear token is a LONG time and, I agree with you that at least one of those tokens should come earlier even if the other stays where its at. Either way this new patch looks really good and im excited especially because it looks like I will actually have things to do considering the fix to myth+ and delves giving gilded now and the new raid looking great.
Hot Sauce reads like it just increases how much your consumables provide in stats while in the raid. Nothing about a fire breath or damage, not sure where that came from.
bellular could you stop making videos seeing your clickbait in my feed isn’t pleasant
Just hope rep for rais isn't locked by raid difficulty
The tokens for free gear being THAT far into renown track is so dumb like you said, we'll all be done!
Is this for alts...? Idk ?
Why lock things behind renown at all? Regular gamers are never going to be excited for renown
I only play WoW for the story. I'm also i solo player, I don't like guilds or playing with others unless its another real life friend. Every guild that i have been in over my years of playing (since TBC) every one of them forced me to level faster or demanded that i heal for them. every one. so i no longer like guilds at all. I also don't like killing the same boss over and over again for a chance for something you need or an upgrade that may drop. If there was a guaranteed drop for something you need then yeah I'd be all for it, only on LFR level though. I don't want to spend hours doing a raid and not recieve anything for it... for me that's frustrating and a waste of time.
It is not a game made by gamers for gamers, it is a formula or numbers balanced against trending pop. 3/10 is being generous.
Blizz wants the game to be seasonal instead of patches, thats why they implementing the renown for a 3-4 month time period
Blizzard will do ANYTHING to not reintroduce valor shop.
Raid skip should be the last renown reward. Otherwise, everyone will skip constantly and getting gear will become secondary.
cool but it seems like its going to be way too slow to progress through this, one would have to raid each week, maybe multiple times per day with no downtime. Fine for more hardcore people but for more casual raiders who maybe don't have time to raid each week due to work conflicts or whatever will be left behind. Why not just have these things in the raid by default like some other games do instead of having to grind for it? And im guessing this progress will reset with each raid season which makes it kind of pointless
3:00 Oh wow, a cyberpunk reference too
It seems to me they made it with alts in mind….yes you have a main but you’ll want to gear up those alts too.
Making the game more complex for no reason... joy.
Looking good, Bel. Good job with the weight loss 💪
I don't like retail, unfortunately, but I like retail's visuals, and I hope, someday, Blizzard gives is the option to use new visuals (or not)
PS: I'm talking about the OPTION for turning new visuals on/off, if you are an 'old visuals are better' person, you can still play the game with shitty graphics lol
Blizzard needs to fire most devs and somehow start again but need to not be tarded in general everyday game decisions
Does the Math not math? he said 2500 rep per level and 5000 rep per week, doesn't that make rank 20 happen in 10 weeks?
Expect the maximum Renown level to have a cap that slowly raises with each reset.
He also said that there is a 2500 rep cap, which will increase by 2500 every week. So week 1 you can only get 2500 rep, week 2 you can either get another 2500, week 3 it's another 2500 for a total of 7500, etc. Even if you clear the raid three times for supposedly 15k during those three weeks, you're still not going to get more than 7500.