for sure! i can't watch that aew shit! i just can't! It is good for a laugh to hear Jim and Brian talk about that shit, but it takes too much time. THIS IS THE BEST PART OF JIM'S CHANNEL! I LOVE HISTORY CHATS!
@@tylerdurden788 Bruce Pritchard doesn't know history 🤣🤣 he knows bullshit Vince revised, sanitized, Corporate "history". Bruce does not know legitimate historical facts,
Honestly I much prefer territory talks over current wrestling shows. Hopefully this won't be a one time thing and you guys would make a series out of it.
@@seanodeli7031 yea the drive thru is just used to review dynamite, nxt and occasionally raw and sd.. the experience is just the same as well as plugging the same sponsors and jim ranting about politics etc. The old stuff was great, this stuff is golden and the rest is crap!
Some of the best episodes are Cornette talking about the territories. Being from the Carolinas and a lifelong wrestling fan it is always great hearing the stories and history of everything
Love this episode. I was born in 1965 and grew up watching wrestling during the territory days. To me, it was the best time to be a wrestling fan. In those days, it was professional wrestling, not sports entertainment.
Please please please please do more of this kind of stuff This is why I love this channel! I know there are people that listen to Jim for his opinions on politics and modern wrestling but personally I could care less I want to hear stuff about real wrestling!
This is the kind of stuff I listen for! Jim talking about territory wrestling is better than anything on TV. I would have loved to see a Midnight vs. Von Erichs feud.
This is the content i'm looking for, i discovered Wrestling during the Attitude Era and i don't really know really too much about the landscape of american pro wrestling before WWE turning in the big corporation of the last 20 years. This is solid gold for me
Check out the RUclips channel “original wrestling documentaries” they have a short history of every territory, even some of the smaller more obscure ones.
This is without a doubt the most delightful edition of Official Jim Cornette ever. This was just incredible and insightful. I am chomping at the bit for the next episode. And I might be a dick but I can't help doing this - Mike Graham didn't draw a dime.
Thanks for the mention, Jim! We would have loved to have had you guys, that's for sure! For the record, we owned part of Amarillo with Blackjack and Murdoch, too. I'd have been happy to help with that book you mentioned.
I saw "Jumpin' Joe" on TV as IWCCW from Parsippany when I was a kid (I'm 47 now). I cant remember the channel, but it was an independent station in Columbus, Ohio Jumpin' Joe was my guy 💯 I read about Angie in the magazines
I ALSO REMEMBER A GUY FROM IWCCW THAT WAS A PAINTER, I THINK NAMED ELLIS, a Lightweight Champion. Tony Rumble RIP, The Original Undertakers with Val Puccio, Darren Wyze, Tony Atlas, Eric Embry. STILL remember 30 years later. Just dont remember the TV affiliate
Feb 2023: X This is part 1(JCE 409) of "where midnight Express Could've gone in 1985" besides JCP. part 2(JCE 433) was realsed in February 2023 Edit: 2 Oct 2024, i liked listening to this after gaining more knowledge of territories
Anytime Corny talks up the territories, I get excited!! Learning how talent trades, contract notices, and blow off matches were done before the business was exposed is a great deal. Nowadays we know when all transactions take place like the MLB waiver wire.
@@maxxdahl6062 Agreed!! I've said it time and time again that if AEW had a developmental brand that would have allowed the Indy wresters to clean up their bad habits (which are many), and allow the veterans like JR, Arn, and Tully to enforce realistic on-screen narrative for Tony Khan's company to be well-received, it would be a solid alternative to Sports Entertainment.
@@maxxdahl6062 Agreed!! I've said it time and time again that if AEW had a developmental brand that would have allowed the Indy wresters to clean up their bad habits (which are many), and allow the veterans like JR, Arn, and Tully to enforce realistic on-screen narrative for Tony Khan's company to be well-received, it would be a solid alternative to Sports Entertainment.
10:00 Yes they DID show Savoldi's ICW show in syndication. I was living in Dallas at the time. In World Class, Gary Hart was the heel manager and Bruiser Brody was a face trying to take him down. They started showing ICW in Dallas and Gary Hart was Brody's manager there. Furthermore it was the crosseyed Brody who only barked and never spoke words. It caused quite an uproar in the Dallas wrestling community. So bad I remember Gary Hart had to go on World Class TV and address the situation. I seem to remember he claimed the stuff "they showed on TV from the East Coast" was taped a long time ago and Bruiser Brody currently was his arch nemesis.
Mine too. As far as my dad and uncles were concerned if it wasn’t the shiek and dick the bruiser it wasn’t wrestling. When I grew up watching wrestling on tbs, dad would always say things like the bruiser would have kicked that guys ass why you watching that pansy southern stuff lol.
Thanks for discussing Bruisers WWA. I would see the weekend broadcasts as a kid growing up just north of Indy. It did age out. They did bring in Scott Steiner to be the champion near the end of the territory but they didnt have any quality young heels to get Steiner over even though Steiner was already an amazing worker. David McClain was the announcer near the end and he went on to produce GLOW.
I remember that in various Issues of "Inside Wrestling" they did a "Roll Call of Champions." Almost invariably the WWA Champ was a guy named "The Great" Greg Wojo and one of the very young guys on the card was indeed eventual Champ "Scott Rechsteiner"!🤔😂🎤🤼♂️B.W.
Courtesy of his all Female groups POWW and LPWA David McClain also managed to make his Companies part of the legendary yet ill starred non WWF, non Crockett "Super Clash 3" in Chicago.🤔🎤🤼♀️B.W.
I grew up in Indianapolis in the 80’s. I didn’t see Bruiser’s wrestling until it’s end. By that time, the quality was rough and unfortunately not very interesting.
This is why I love Jim.. there's always someone left to tell the story..and that is Jim...a true historian of wrestling...So glad he is still here to tell the stories .And so glad I grew up in the best era of wrestling the territory days...Keep it going Jim and Brian..
Loogootee, Indiana....sounds like..la...goat..tee ...thanks for everything you do as a child of the late 70s I grew up around Louisville loved the matches back in the day
In St. Louis, in the mid to late 80s, Wrestling at the Chase/WWF was televised on KPLR ch. 11, NWA was on KDNL ch. 30, and occasionally WCCW aired on KNLC ch. 24. I was a young wrestling fan and it was glorious. I watched my straight wrestling NWA on Saturday nights and get up in the morning on Sunday and watch my over the top WWF wrestling.
David Letterman was a huge wrestling fan. He was a young man during the times Dick the Bruiser in Indy. Letterman named his house band "the worlds most dangerous band" after bruiser. It's no coincidence letterman had Lawler and Kaufman!
Jim and Brian are tiring of watching modern rasslin’, even if it is profitable for them. Personally I’d rather hear about the old territory days anyway.
Talking about new wrestling is damn depressing. Much rather hear Jim show us some knowledge about the territories and why wrestling actually “worked” back in the day.
I saw bits and pieces of Indianapolis, when i would visit my grandparents, in Bloomington, IL; but not down where we lived (west of Decatur). Late in the 70s, we got their show, briefly, while they promoted a card in Springfield, then it disappeared. It showed up again around 1981. This was all after the glory days and the most entertaining guys were Spike Huber & Steve Regal, as the Young Lions, and Wilber Snyder. Never saw Bruiser on the tv, but would see guys like Zoltan the Great (Ken Jugger), Sheik Ali Hassan (Jack Krueger, later a WWF ref), Golden Boy Paul Christy, Roger Kirby and Gentleman Jerry Valiant (and Dr Jerry Graham Jr). Greg Wojokowski, The Great Wojo was there. Not the most exciting tv; but it had moments. Then, it was gone, after a ew weeks and a card, in Springfield, soon replaced by the Poffo ICW, which we had from 1981 until its end. Later, we got cable and I discovered Bruiser's tv, on one of the Peoria stations we got on the cable system, on Sundays, with David McLane as announcer. It was horrid, by that point. That was before Scott Steiner debuted and Jerry Graham Jr was running it, in Toledo. McLane soon turned up running and announcing GLOW. Snyder was the only guy who I really enjoyed, in matches, and his were rare. If it hadn't been for the Poffos, I might never have become a wrestling fan.
Under Sam Muchnick, I don't even think they used the Central States Tag Titles. I think he *might* have used the AWA Tag Title a couple of times...but I don't think the Central States tag title was ever used in St. Louis until after the Kansas City contingent took over (and they started basically running it like another city in the Kansas City territory, but with a small amount of added talent)
I was born in 83, and my big brother had control of the wrestling shows we watched, and it was always wwf. Now being from SC, I had no idea of Jim Crockett or the NWA. I found out my Grandpa use to stop everything he was doing on Saturdays to sit down and watch Mid South Wrestling at 1 in the afternoon I believe, so that, and listening to Jim and Bryan tell the difference it was between wwf and Crockett, with Dusty, Ric, Midnight, and the Rock n Roll, has really got me so into learning about the history of wrestling, especially here in the Carolinas. I lived just down the road from where the Greenwood SC Civic Center was, and for Jim to talk about they did shows there, and I had no idea.
I liked the idea of St. Louis being the spot show territory, where you were invited to appear, week to week. No long term angles. Take it further. It could have been the highlight reel of all the NWA territories. Like test run matches that could be taken to the territories' TV. Brody vs Race. Von Erichs vs Road Warriors. Flair vs...?
I had no clue that many territories were in operation in 85 but when I made the "your choices were limited" comment, I was actually referring to places they could go where they could make the money they were making in Mid-South. It's been stated many times that Memphis and the Central States were not big money territories in the mid 80s. So I was thinking more AWA, Florida, WWF (which Mr. Cornette has talked about). It is very cool the direction they took my question since I love hearing his opinion on the many territories that were and weren't in operation at that time period
Jim's less like your fun druncle and more like the straight laced, successful lone wolf uncle who you can learn a lot off of. Just listening now and I'm rather enjoying being given a masterclass on the wrestling history. I've just started to branch out and check out pre 90s and non WWF/WCW stuff and it's been quite the revelation so far.
the older i get, the more fascinated i am of hearing about the territories. guys and gals can travel to different regions and find work, nobody would overstay their welcome, and each territory seemed to be booked differently. WWWF was more slow and methodical, Crockett was more "wrasslin" yet fast paced and exciting shows, WCCW had the Von Erich/Freebird feud and some great super shows, Stampede was more hard hitting, AWA was more focused on wrestling matches than wrestling characters, and Mid South had some of the best matches and most exciting finishes I've ever seen. I wish I can study the Georgia and Florida territories more or even the LA territory with Piper/Chavo Guerrero.
And I'd say Detroit/Ohio was sort of like Jim described, tag teams and undercard were a bit more scientific, but the main events were bad workrate brawls with big stars. Indianapolis was like that too sort of. Reminds me of basically how WCW did things in the 90's.
My territory was Florida during the era of the Eddie Graham Sports stadium and Tampa Armory. Dusty Rhodes, early Barry Windham, Mike graham, Sweet Brown Sugar, Bugsy McGraw and of course Gordon Solie. These were the superstars of my early wrestling era. I absolutely loved this segment.
You forgot about Big Time Wrestling in Hawaii guys. Pretty surprising considering you talked just a couple days ago about them drawing 15000 fans in a stadium show in 1985. They were definitely far more relevant in 1985 than Calgary was lol.
I remember when Mid South/UWF folded in 1987, Fritz took over and Oklahoma City became a regular World Class town. There were other examples of vacated territories that were taken over by neighboring promoters--you mentioned Verne grabbing a healthy portion of the west. What I don't understand Jarrett didn't make a play for all of Indiana when WWA vacated--he had pretty much the southern half of the state. He had an opportunity to grab a big market like Indianapolis
Pretty sure the Indy version of the WWA made it well into '87 or '88 because I used to stay up late on Saturdays to watch it on Channel 26 in Chicago for some reason.
I love these long, educational talks Jim does. Also proud to hear my Cincinnati mentioned and the Cincinnati Gardens. I saw a lot of WCW shows there as a kid.
THIS is the reason why I love his podcasts. I’m from a different generation of pro wrestling which I love (ruthless aggression-present) but Corny is legitimately pro wrestling’s iconic historian. All of this knowledge should be preserved at the Library of Congress. Verne Gagne even said “wrestling is apart of Americana”
Many of these territories I never got to see. My time with real wrestling was Mid South, Mid Atlantic NWA and Georgia Championship Wrestling. But a lot of the names I know and have seen and Jim with his encyclopedic knowledge of wrestling makes this show golden!
In the 1980's, nova Scotia had no wrestling local, just shows from AWA (Leo Burke Vs Rick Martel, great match), and then the promotions from Montreal that came by more often, can't remember the name of the promotion though
This is actually my email they answered. Very cool hearing more about the territories and that my question led to an hour ± conversation.
dude ur a legend asking that question
Dude, thanks.
And thanks again, I’m painting and listening to this.
Thanks for asking this, I can't sleep so I'm listening to old corny clips and loving ive come across this one.
@AJWE can I see your work XIST47?
A seventy-five minute, Jim Cornette segment on Territory Wrestling... This is the Meat of this channel.
Him and Bruce prichard are great for history
Love these kind of videos. Don't care much for aew or wwe
for sure! i can't watch that aew shit! i just can't! It is good for a laugh to hear Jim and Brian talk about that shit, but it takes too much time. THIS IS THE BEST PART OF JIM'S CHANNEL! I LOVE HISTORY CHATS!
💯
@@tylerdurden788 Bruce Pritchard doesn't know history 🤣🤣 he knows bullshit Vince revised, sanitized, Corporate "history". Bruce does not know legitimate historical facts,
Honestly I much prefer territory talks over current wrestling shows. Hopefully this won't be a one time thing and you guys would make a series out of it.
I agree. Modern wrestling isn’t worth talking about.
@@seanodeli7031 yea the drive thru is just used to review dynamite, nxt and occasionally raw and sd.. the experience is just the same as well as plugging the same sponsors and jim ranting about politics etc. The old stuff was great, this stuff is golden and the rest is crap!
For me, territory talk "IS/WAS" wrestling. Anything after 1985 is trash.
I much prefer these types of shows over the reviews of what passes for wrestling now days.
Same. Honestly I don't even watch modern wrestling. Haven't in about 10 years
Jason is the MVP for asking the question that opened up this talk
Thank you for the compliment
Some of the best episodes are Cornette talking about the territories. Being from the Carolinas and a lifelong wrestling fan it is always great hearing the stories and history of everything
Love this episode. I was born in 1965 and grew up watching wrestling during the territory days. To me, it was the best time to be a wrestling fan. In those days, it was professional wrestling, not sports entertainment.
Please please please please do more of this kind of stuff This is why I love this channel! I know there are people that listen to Jim for his opinions on politics and modern wrestling but personally I could care less I want to hear stuff about real wrestling!
I would love Jim to just do a deep dive into every territory and just spend hours talking about this. It's fascinating!
This is the kind of stuff I listen for! Jim talking about territory wrestling is better than anything on TV. I would have loved to see a Midnight vs. Von Erichs feud.
Ye
This is the content i'm looking for, i discovered Wrestling during the Attitude Era and i don't really know really too much about the landscape of american pro wrestling before WWE turning in the big corporation of the last 20 years. This is solid gold for me
Geek
Same
In the 70s in the south, the NWA was awesome.
@@Jefso1404let's face it we are all geeks here 😂😅
Same
As a Detroiter, it was nice to hear about Big Time Wrestling. There isn’t many documentaries on RUclips about it that I’ve found. Thanks JC.
I Like To Hurt People is the only "documentary" anybody needs to see about Big Time Wrestling...
Check out the RUclips channel “original wrestling documentaries” they have a short history of every territory, even some of the smaller more obscure ones.
ruclips.net/video/cp9wZPEEZMY/видео.html is the link for it but check them all out the channel is great.
Check out Big Time Memories with Terry Sullivan.
I LOVE when jim tells stories and talks about the territory days, it's so fascinating
An hour and 14 minutes of Jim talking territories, absolutely brilliant
Agreed
Information
I agree also
An hour of JC? Yes.
Fuck yes
an hour of Corny that's not modern wrestling reviews. hell's yes!
Love his tangents about anything, always interesting.
Yeah.
This is without a doubt the most delightful edition of Official Jim Cornette ever. This was just incredible and insightful. I am chomping at the bit for the next episode.
And I might be a dick but I can't help doing this - Mike Graham didn't draw a dime.
He knew how to draw a gun though lol
@@louis3141 OOOOOH! A burn on Graham. Not to be messing with Louis, he is hot tonight.
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Thanks for the mention, Jim! We would have loved to have had you guys, that's for sure!
For the record, we owned part of Amarillo with Blackjack and Murdoch, too. I'd have been happy to help with that book you mentioned.
I saw "Jumpin' Joe" on TV as IWCCW from Parsippany when I was a kid (I'm 47 now). I cant remember the channel, but it was an independent station in Columbus, Ohio
Jumpin' Joe was my guy 💯 I read about Angie in the magazines
I ALSO REMEMBER A GUY FROM IWCCW THAT WAS A PAINTER, I THINK NAMED ELLIS, a Lightweight Champion. Tony Rumble RIP, The Original Undertakers with Val Puccio, Darren Wyze, Tony Atlas, Eric Embry. STILL remember 30 years later. Just dont remember the TV affiliate
Feb 2023: X This is part 1(JCE 409) of "where midnight Express Could've gone in 1985" besides JCP. part 2(JCE 433) was realsed in February 2023
Edit: 2 Oct 2024, i liked listening to this after gaining more knowledge of territories
I have been watching all the Back To The Territories episodes lately and was hoping you would do something like this. Thanks. Loved it.
have to agree with everyone else and say this was a great breakdown by Jim
Anytime Corny talks up the territories, I get excited!! Learning how talent trades, contract notices, and blow off matches were done before the business was exposed is a great deal. Nowadays we know when all transactions take place like the MLB waiver wire.
The industry as a whole is worse off without more companies that actually knew what they're doing.
@@maxxdahl6062 makes the narrative that "Cornette is stuck in the past" kind of amusing doesn't it?
@@mecha2001 Yep. He knows what he's talking about.
@@maxxdahl6062 Agreed!! I've said it time and time again that if AEW had a developmental brand that would have allowed the Indy wresters to clean up their bad habits (which are many), and allow the veterans like JR, Arn, and Tully to enforce realistic on-screen narrative for Tony Khan's company to be well-received, it would be a solid alternative to Sports Entertainment.
@@maxxdahl6062 Agreed!! I've said it time and time again that if AEW had a developmental brand that would have allowed the Indy wresters to clean up their bad habits (which are many), and allow the veterans like JR, Arn, and Tully to enforce realistic on-screen narrative for Tony Khan's company to be well-received, it would be a solid alternative to Sports Entertainment.
I've waited a long time to finally hear some Indianapolis talk at some real length. Thank you, Jim!
10:00 Yes they DID show Savoldi's ICW show in syndication. I was living in Dallas at the time. In World Class, Gary Hart was the heel manager and Bruiser Brody was a face trying to take him down. They started showing ICW in Dallas and Gary Hart was Brody's manager there. Furthermore it was the crosseyed Brody who only barked and never spoke words. It caused quite an uproar in the Dallas wrestling community. So bad I remember Gary Hart had to go on World Class TV and address the situation. I seem to remember he claimed the stuff "they showed on TV from the East Coast" was taped a long time ago and Bruiser Brody currently was his arch nemesis.
We were on over 200 local channels nationwide, as well as on some sports cable channels like Mr Last mentioned.
Depending on his being in The AWA, the late great Frank Goodish was King Kong Brody because they already had Bruiser as a top Star.😏🎤🤼♂️B.W.
My dad grew up around the Indianapolis Fairgrounds in the 60s. Love hearing Bruiser lore!
My Dad and my Uncles were at some of those shows in Detroit at Cobo and the Olympia.
Mine too. As far as my dad and uncles were concerned if it wasn’t the shiek and dick the bruiser it wasn’t wrestling. When I grew up watching wrestling on tbs, dad would always say things like the bruiser would have kicked that guys ass why you watching that pansy southern stuff lol.
Thanks for discussing Bruisers WWA. I would see the weekend broadcasts as a kid growing up just north of Indy. It did age out. They did bring in Scott Steiner to be the champion near the end of the territory but they didnt have any quality young heels to get Steiner over even though Steiner was already an amazing worker. David McClain was the announcer near the end and he went on to produce GLOW.
I remember that in various Issues of "Inside Wrestling" they did a "Roll Call of Champions." Almost invariably the WWA Champ was a guy named "The Great" Greg Wojo and one of the very young guys on the card was indeed eventual Champ "Scott Rechsteiner"!🤔😂🎤🤼♂️B.W.
Courtesy of his all Female groups POWW and LPWA David McClain also managed to make his Companies part of the legendary yet ill starred non WWF, non Crockett "Super Clash 3" in Chicago.🤔🎤🤼♀️B.W.
I grew up in Indianapolis in the 80’s. I didn’t see Bruiser’s wrestling until it’s end. By that time, the quality was rough and unfortunately not very interesting.
California native here, we agree with Jim's sentiments on the state. SoCal is a human septic tank.
It’s awesome to hear the history and knowledge Jim and Brian have of the old territories. This is great stuff.
I miss the territory days. I am so glad I lived in Tampa Florida and was able to see great wrestling
I hope this stays a series. This is why i listen to cornette despite not always agreeing about modern wrestling.
32:47...
I Think I Met "Billy RedCloud" in The Early 1990's Beckley WV CrossRoads Mall.
(He Was Retired From Wrestling, & Was Just Shopping.)
I'm hearing names from my 60s-70s childhood in Chicago watching AWA and Bob Luce wrestling.
Prince Pullins
Spike Huber
Art Thomas
Billy Red Cloud
Etc.
This is why I love Jim.. there's always someone left to tell the story..and that is Jim...a true historian of wrestling...So glad he is still here to tell the stories .And so glad I grew up in the best era of wrestling the territory days...Keep it going Jim and Brian..
Loogootee, Indiana....sounds like..la...goat..tee ...thanks for everything you do as a child of the late 70s I grew up around Louisville loved the matches back in the day
These are my favorite segments. It is fun to hear Brian & Jim destroy modern BS, but I love the history lessons.
1:14:40 of listening to great Jim Cornette talking about proper wrestling. Keep them coming Jim, Brian & Travis.
I wish Jim would do a back to the territories documentary on the sheiks michigan/ohio territory
I'm glued I'm listening to stories two years before I was born and I'm glued Jim is a Master of speechcraft I tell you.
As a Hoosier, I loved the extended talk about the Bruiser territory. But Jim, it's Luh-go-tee
It made me laugh the way he said it lol
Same here. A "la-gootie" sounds like something you would cough up and spit out hahahaha
@@donburton7766 lol
400,000 in 1973 is 2.6 million dollars. That’s good money.
This was fantastic. Please make this a regular part of the show.
In St. Louis, in the mid to late 80s, Wrestling at the Chase/WWF was televised on KPLR ch. 11, NWA was on KDNL ch. 30, and occasionally WCCW aired on KNLC ch. 24. I was a young wrestling fan and it was glorious. I watched my straight wrestling NWA on Saturday nights and get up in the morning on Sunday and watch my over the top WWF wrestling.
I've been binging any talks about the territories from Jim. Loving this
1 Hour and 15 minutes of Cornette and the history of the territories! I'm all ears! Enjoy everyone! 😁
Not defending Bruce Hart but to be clear the WWE was paying him 100 dollars per occasional house show as an agent. The classic "starve him" strategy.
What a brilliant listen, Love all this!
Gonna listen to this tonight while falling asleep
bruh lmao same
i usually listen to his podcasts while i sleep
not cuz hes boring but i just need some background noise lol
@@rafeekhan4265 until you hear "THE MOTHERSHIP"!! 😆
David Letterman was a huge wrestling fan. He was a young man during the times Dick the Bruiser in Indy. Letterman named his house band "the worlds most dangerous band" after bruiser. It's no coincidence letterman had Lawler and Kaufman!
Jim and Brian are tiring of watching modern rasslin’, even if it is profitable for them. Personally I’d rather hear about the old territory days anyway.
Talking about new wrestling is damn depressing. Much rather hear Jim show us some knowledge about the territories and why wrestling actually “worked” back in the day.
I saw bits and pieces of Indianapolis, when i would visit my grandparents, in Bloomington, IL; but not down where we lived (west of Decatur). Late in the 70s, we got their show, briefly, while they promoted a card in Springfield, then it disappeared. It showed up again around 1981. This was all after the glory days and the most entertaining guys were Spike Huber & Steve Regal, as the Young Lions, and Wilber Snyder. Never saw Bruiser on the tv, but would see guys like Zoltan the Great (Ken Jugger), Sheik Ali Hassan (Jack Krueger, later a WWF ref), Golden Boy Paul Christy, Roger Kirby and Gentleman Jerry Valiant (and Dr Jerry Graham Jr). Greg Wojokowski, The Great Wojo was there. Not the most exciting tv; but it had moments. Then, it was gone, after a ew weeks and a card, in Springfield, soon replaced by the Poffo ICW, which we had from 1981 until its end. Later, we got cable and I discovered Bruiser's tv, on one of the Peoria stations we got on the cable system, on Sundays, with David McLane as announcer. It was horrid, by that point. That was before Scott Steiner debuted and Jerry Graham Jr was running it, in Toledo. McLane soon turned up running and announcing GLOW. Snyder was the only guy who I really enjoyed, in matches, and his were rare. If it hadn't been for the Poffos, I might never have become a wrestling fan.
Under Sam Muchnick, I don't even think they used the Central States Tag Titles. I think he *might* have used the AWA Tag Title a couple of times...but I don't think the Central States tag title was ever used in St. Louis until after the Kansas City contingent took over (and they started basically running it like another city in the Kansas City territory, but with a small amount of added talent)
He forgot Vancouver and Hawaii..both were pretty much dead in 85 but limping along
All Star Wrestling ⭐🤼💪 Haha
Everybody forgets about Vancouver, for good reason. Haha That was my local wrestling growing up.
What a great breakdown of the old territory days & good "What If" love it...
Brilliant.
I do love stories about the old days.
I was born in 83, and my big brother had control of the wrestling shows we watched, and it was always wwf. Now being from SC, I had no idea of Jim Crockett or the NWA. I found out my Grandpa use to stop everything he was doing on Saturdays to sit down and watch Mid South Wrestling at 1 in the afternoon I believe, so that, and listening to Jim and Bryan tell the difference it was between wwf and Crockett, with Dusty, Ric, Midnight, and the Rock n Roll, has really got me so into learning about the history of wrestling, especially here in the Carolinas. I lived just down the road from where the Greenwood SC Civic Center was, and for Jim to talk about they did shows there, and I had no idea.
Great show, have no idea what’s going on currently but could listen to this old stuff all day.
Loogootee, Indiana...
Literally has a CVS and a Ruler Foods there and thats nearly it.
Territory days are like the wild wild west. I'd love a story line about this in current wwe. Idk how but it'd be cool if they could execute it
I liked the idea of St. Louis being the spot show territory, where you were invited to appear, week to week. No long term angles. Take it further. It could have been the highlight reel of all the NWA territories. Like test run matches that could be taken to the territories' TV. Brody vs Race. Von Erichs vs Road Warriors. Flair vs...?
I had no clue that many territories were in operation in 85 but when I made the "your choices were limited" comment, I was actually referring to places they could go where they could make the money they were making in Mid-South. It's been stated many times that Memphis and the Central States were not big money territories in the mid 80s. So I was thinking more AWA, Florida, WWF (which Mr. Cornette has talked about). It is very cool the direction they took my question since I love hearing his opinion on the many territories that were and weren't in operation at that time period
That was a pretty cool question! Too bad that it seems he doesn't intend to continue this in a series like he stated he would :(
Jim's less like your fun druncle and more like the straight laced, successful lone wolf uncle who you can learn a lot off of.
Just listening now and I'm rather enjoying being given a masterclass on the wrestling history. I've just started to branch out and check out pre 90s and non WWF/WCW stuff and it's been quite the revelation so far.
the older i get, the more fascinated i am of hearing about the territories. guys and gals can travel to different regions and find work, nobody would overstay their welcome, and each territory seemed to be booked differently. WWWF was more slow and methodical, Crockett was more "wrasslin" yet fast paced and exciting shows, WCCW had the Von Erich/Freebird feud and some great super shows, Stampede was more hard hitting, AWA was more focused on wrestling matches than wrestling characters, and Mid South had some of the best matches and most exciting finishes I've ever seen. I wish I can study the Georgia and Florida territories more or even the LA territory with Piper/Chavo Guerrero.
And I'd say Detroit/Ohio was sort of like Jim described, tag teams and undercard were a bit more scientific, but the main events were bad workrate brawls with big stars. Indianapolis was like that too sort of. Reminds me of basically how WCW did things in the 90's.
I'm here for the old school talk!!! Finally!!
Finally much rather hear about this stuff than AEW/WWE tv show
Fantastic piece. Please do more!
I love the modern reviews but nothing beats the territory discussions
I grew up in Memphis and loved Memphis wrestling.
My territory was Florida during the era of the Eddie Graham Sports stadium and Tampa Armory. Dusty Rhodes, early Barry Windham, Mike graham, Sweet Brown Sugar, Bugsy McGraw and of course Gordon Solie. These were the superstars of my early wrestling era.
I absolutely loved this segment.
I lived in Jacksonville at that time. Great wrestling memories! Saw Dusty Rhodes and Harley Race fight at the old coliseum in 1981. Incredible!!
This is the type of stuff that got me listening a few years ago.
Please do more shows like this. I like when Corny loves wrestling better than listening to him hate wrestling.
I hope Mr. Cornette does this every month. Always dig hearing Corny talk about the Territories.
I love listening to these podcasts because I learn so much about Wrestling Territories Jim cornette is the best.
We need more of this!
Vancouver was still running with nationwide wide tv in Canada but there wasn’t money there since 1980
I went to my first card in Indianapolis in 1970, watched it since '65...Great to hear the territory spoken about this many years later!
You forgot about Big Time Wrestling in Hawaii guys. Pretty surprising considering you talked just a couple days ago about them drawing 15000 fans in a stadium show in 1985. They were definitely far more relevant in 1985 than Calgary was lol.
This is great info. Thank you!
I remember when Mid South/UWF folded in 1987, Fritz took over and Oklahoma City became a regular World Class town. There were other examples of vacated territories that were taken over by neighboring promoters--you mentioned Verne grabbing a healthy portion of the west. What I don't understand Jarrett didn't make a play for all of Indiana when WWA vacated--he had pretty much the southern half of the state. He had an opportunity to grab a big market like Indianapolis
I grew up on Championship Wrestling from Florida w/ Gordon Solie. I went to lots of house shows in the early to late 80’s. Great times.
The Midnight Express could've also gone to Vancouver, worked for Al Tomko and done a program with Tim Patterson & Dave Gold
They probably wouldn’t stuck around for long. There wasn’t a lot of money to be made here at that point.
@@JimmyHeartburn I imagine you're right. Still, it would've been an option, even if not a very good one.
I remember watching Piper and Chavo, talk about some serious heat.
I could listen to Jim talk about the Territory Days for hours.
What a great upload. You can't put a value on Professor Cornette's knowledge. Love this, thank you!
Pretty sure the Indy version of the WWA made it well into '87 or '88 because I used to stay up late on Saturdays to watch it on Channel 26 in Chicago for some reason.
Bruiser was my Papaws favorite (from Indiana, so am I).
I love these long, educational talks Jim does.
Also proud to hear my Cincinnati mentioned and the Cincinnati Gardens. I saw a lot of WCW shows there as a kid.
Actually, Fred Ottman was Dusty’s brother in law
St.Louis Wrestling Club.Wrestling at The Chase enough said.
WORD!!!!
I must admit, it is nice to hear Jim discuss the territories
Jim, I really enjoy the Territory Talk epoxide's, I would like to hear more about the HOUSTON territory and PAUL BOSCH.
I would love an omnibus where you go even deeper, and expand even further on these questions.
Loogootee Indiana is about an hour from, been there multiple times and I have always heard it pronounced as La Go Tee
THIS is the reason why I love his podcasts. I’m from a different generation of pro wrestling which I love (ruthless aggression-present) but Corny is legitimately pro wrestling’s iconic historian. All of this knowledge should be preserved at the Library of Congress. Verne Gagne even said “wrestling is apart of Americana”
How the hell did I miss this?! Just made my night!
Every time I hear "Oak City" it's like nails on a chalkboard. In any case, awesome to hear about the territory scene in Oklahoma.
Born there but never heard anyone else call it that🤣
@@rebeccaroanoak5375 yeah I live in Oklahoma City. No one here says that. It's an "outsider" thing. Oh well. Not a huge deal. Just cringe.
More of these. Learning the history of the business is always fun
Many of these territories I never got to see. My time with real wrestling was Mid South, Mid Atlantic NWA and Georgia Championship Wrestling. But a lot of the names I know and have seen and Jim with his encyclopedic knowledge of wrestling makes this show golden!
In the 1980's, nova Scotia had no wrestling local, just shows from AWA (Leo Burke Vs Rick Martel, great match), and then the promotions from Montreal that came by more often, can't remember the name of the promotion though
I have to laugh at Jim's pronunciation of Logotee lol. It's La-Go-Tee if you ever read this Jim
Yep
Learning old school territory facts is always fun!! The cult has influence here in Fresno,CA!!