Anders Kristensen F1 motors was _limited_ to 18krpm and before limitation rpms was like 18-20krmp. I think idle was and is around 4000-7000krpm. Next season fuel flow limitation maxes rpms to around 12-13krpm. Not 100% sure about the numbers, i'll stand corrected.
As a kid we lived about 10 or so miles away from Route 66 Raceway. We would watch the races on tv and then a short while later you would hear a low hum from the engines from the direction where the track was located. Pretty fun stuff
When the throttle is floored, a switch is operated, starting the pre-set timers for everything. There is a multi-plate clutch, which is gradually engaged as the car runs, only locking up at about half to two-thirds track. The power output from the engine is controlled by varying the ignition timing and the amount of fuel fed to the engine, by diverting some back to the tank. We have the fuel pressure set to 50psi for the burnout, and it actually runs around 600psi.
Yes, and more. At idle only the injectors just above and below the supercharger are used, and they work constantly. The lever is used to adjust the fuel pressure, to limit flow, and to avoid opening valves which allow fuel to the injectors in the cylinder heads. Excess fuel at idle cools the cylinders, and can lead to them not firing, hence cylinders going out early in the run. By running leaner, the cylinders stay hot. Pressure possibly the middle reading on the right hand side.
Just before going into full stage, Phil pulls the fuel mixture from lean to rich. You can hear the engine note deepens and the revs drop a bit. I don't think it reflects on the dash. When fuel injectors are spraying as hard as garden hoses, it's hard to meter the fuel quantity precisely. But you don't want to risk flooding the cylinders and causing a hydraulic lock-up. I might be quite wrong, but that's why I understand they have a 'lean' setting up to the last possible second.
All I can say is Awesome awesome awesome video guys. I've never seen a full video from inside. On tv they only show a couple of seconds worth. From the burn out through the full pass awesome.
Yeah thanks. We did shoot it for the TV broadcast and they did only use a little bit, but after 3 years of shooting all the pro series events, my out-takes bin is fully of interesting and funning moments before staging or down the deep end. One day I should put them all together. It'd make a feature film...
I went to the Pomona NHRA races yesterday and holy shit, these things are fucking fast!! They accelerate to 313 mph in like less than a second, and when they go by your damn eardrums feel like exploding and the sound of the engine runs right through your body...I can't imagine the G forces these drivers must experience...and how in the hell can they control the fucking car??
I am going to need to do this.... When I was asked as a kid what I wanted to be when I grew up I said, " I want to be a drag racer, I want to drive top fuel."
@RIPSTOPPA Engine explosion. Blew the supercharger off. At the end when Phil looks at the smoking remains of his motor, you can see the blower is askew. All good though. Couple of hours - good as new.
Also the lever is set at half for the burnout, that’s plenty of power to spin the tires and get them sticky. The clutch is tuned to just pull the car when the you release the pedal and they hold it back with the hand break. They roll into the line and as soon as they stage that lever goes full on. As soon as the driver sees the yellow light up they mash the throttle pedal down and move from the hand break to the steering wheel and hold on. This is where the clutch man earns his pay.
man the just the feel is amazing, my dads friend races in the super comp class, his car scared the shit out of me me when he let me drive it during test & tune so i know to fuel is much crazier
I've always wondered what it would be like.........this is as close as I will get.....Thank you very much.!!!! Stu.... "Excellent" cliched but says it all !!!!
I had a bike that was rated 11.0 sec at 125. I never raced it but when I got on the gas it felt like I was going to fly off the end of the world and it was all I could do to not be pulled off the seat. Before this video I watched a go pro view on a dragster make a 6 sec run at just over 200. That seemed incredibly fast compared to my bike. Then I watched this video at 4.8 252 and it made the 6 sec 200 look slow. So it is beyond my imagination what a 4 sec 330 run would be like. I don't see how they can control the car. I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks. The first time you make a run like that it must seem like you are going to die because your brain is telling you there is no way you can stop before you get to the end of the track.
Fastrack Racing now has a ride experience in rail-type cars. Unfortunately only at Willowbank and Sydney, not yet at the Motorplex. Not T/F cars though. Normally aspirated, *just* 1000hp and 0-100km/h in around 1.6 seconds. With 2 passengers on board. 200km/h in 660 feet and they are only allowed to run 1/2 track with passengers for insurance reasons. Nothing like the fury of a T/F car but still a great experience. I've had a couple of runs and it launches pretty hard. (Full track = 8.6)
TF is so high tech nowadays! I can remember the old front engine AA-FD dragsters where an oil pressure gauge was the only instrument to view engine condition! Do modern TF dragsters use Data Loggers to record speed, RPM etc. ?
Yes, but the way I understand it - electronics manage the gradual feeding of the power to the drivetrain through a series of clutches. These are often timer-based and pneumatically actuated. The art is in programming how progressively that power is delivered - based on changing weather and track condition. Note that the burnout is done with a throttle-stop in place - set at 10% throttle. More than enough to frighten the kiddies.
It wasn't actually a GoPro. It was a much smaller lipstick camera, attached to the outside of the helmet, half way between the side and top. Because the bolster cushions in the cockpit are so close, and designed to protect the driver in the event of severe tyre shake, I had to put the little camera where it wouldn't either be a risk to Phil, or get damaged in the event of 20+G tyre shake. It was secured with "tenatious tape" but any good race tape would do if the camera is light enough.
Can you explain the lever on the left you are adjusting...I assume its the fuel lever?? Does your adjustment show up on the display, and if so where? Great vid, thanks for sharing!
That was a fantastic view from actually inside the helmet right? May I ask was it a GoPro camera that you used, and if so, I also race myself what is called autocrossing where I drive my own car around a course and I have a GoPro too, and If I could ask you a very BIG favor, would you somehow be able to show me how you actually placed the camera inside your helmet for this view, Mine is a open face helmet so I dont know if this would matter or not, but I would love to film this way please
Nah, motor and transmission stayed in alignment. Just the blower studs all sheared (by design). Crankcase and liners were OK. As I remember, a couple of pistons were a little unloved so they threw a new set in, but they had the thing running fine an hour later.
Noob question: Why don't top fuel dragsters build revs to launch like regular drag cars? Is it something to do with them using multiple clutch plates instead of transmission? (Or something like that, I can't remember exactly)
no drive system on the planet could withstand a top fuel motor dumping all of its power in one go like a pro stock, and it would be pointless. at the start of the run every single clutch plate is slipping so only about 1/10th of the power is actually going to the rear wheels, (and even at that they still smoke the tires at launch regularly) plus you cant run a top fuel motor at full power for any length of time what-so-ever, the only reason they can do a burnout is because they are running half the fuel they would normally run in a pass, when you see him push that lever all the way forward to his left, thats him turning on the second fuel pump. you can actually hear the engine tone get deeper as it starts to run richer. any longer than 4 seconds and the engine is guaranteed to blow up. sometimes they let loose in less than 4 ;)
He doesn't. He keeps his foot flat. Computers manage a pre-programmed run. So the engine goes straight to max revs and stays there. It won't over-rev. Of course Phil can lift his foot and modulates the throttle manually - if the car were to get tyre shake for example.
Yeah, I think a 4.72 beat Phil, from memory. Fastest I have personally witnessed in this country is 4.59 @ 332mph. Yep, 332mph! Phil Lamattina in Perth. It's on one of my other video compilations.
these guys are crazy at 2.24 there are flames in the cabin with him. Mark webber couldnt do this- his reaction times are too slow of the line! poor mark lol. I'd sooo love to give that a go- id go to the motorplex more often if we had 20 top fuelers going head to head doing runs between 4.4-4.8 consistently. RIO/BHP/FMG/ATLAS/SANTOS/WESTRAC/CHEVRON/WOODSIDE should all sponsor a Perth based team each.
Umm.. please see the comments. Phil lost in the next round in a very close race. At the end of the season Darren Morgan won the championship. At the very very end a year later, Phil sold the car and it went to New Zealand I believe. Beyond that I don't know.
Oh, flames in the cockpit at 252 mph? Yeah, that's on Mondays.
I wouldn't even want to go that fast because then everything else would feel slow.
Idles at the same rpm regular cars cruise on the freeway with. Insane.
you are not familiar with formula 1 I guess?
No, but im sure you are gonna tell me.
Anders Kristensen F1 motors was _limited_ to 18krpm and before limitation rpms was like 18-20krmp. I think idle was and is around 4000-7000krpm. Next season fuel flow limitation maxes rpms to around 12-13krpm. Not 100% sure about the numbers, i'll stand corrected.
Internet is you friend Anders :)
Yeah, my four cylinder jeep runs about 2500 at 100 km/h (about 63 mph).
wtf? i blinked my eyes, and the race was over.
+dukenukem706 race over kids xD
I’ve heard it costs about 3k per go, mad sport
Looks just like my Prius going down the track....
One of the sweetest videos I've seen on RUclips so far! . . And I watch a crap load of videos. Too much. I need a job. Anyway, awesome vid!
fantastic footage. Almost felt the blower explosion concussion.
Just great to see everybody in action, knowing exactly what they're doing, cool, calm & collected.
I was fast forwarding on an iPad so it was skipping every 10 seconds. I did one and he was already slowing down. Damn.
Scary just watching it. Huge balls these guys have
As a kid we lived about 10 or so miles away from Route 66 Raceway. We would watch the races on tv and then a short while later you would hear a low hum from the engines from the direction where the track was located. Pretty fun stuff
It’s a reusable, rebuildable, rocket on wheels. 👍
Deep pockets hobby... good share..cheers
3:27 I didn't know engine had stretchers too
h82bu223 it was a joke smartass
Shut up honda boy
This might just be the best onboard shot I've seen!
Man things I’d do to drive a top fuel or even a funny car.
Phil lost at 311mph. Sounds like a win even if he was second. What a thrill. 3 seconds of pure terror.
Damn even though im behind a TV screen i still felt the adrenaline as if i was at the track. amazing video.
When the throttle is floored, a switch is operated, starting the pre-set timers for everything. There is a multi-plate clutch, which is gradually engaged as the car runs, only locking up at about half to two-thirds track. The power output from the engine is controlled by varying the ignition timing and the amount of fuel fed to the engine, by diverting some back to the tank. We have the fuel pressure set to 50psi for the burnout, and it actually runs around 600psi.
blink and its over lol
Yes, and more. At idle only the injectors just above and below the supercharger are used, and they work constantly. The lever is used to adjust the fuel pressure, to limit flow, and to avoid opening valves which allow fuel to the injectors in the cylinder heads. Excess fuel at idle cools the cylinders, and can lead to them not firing, hence cylinders going out early in the run. By running leaner, the cylinders stay hot. Pressure possibly the middle reading on the right hand side.
Fantastic! Thanks for posting!
Did it shift gears or is it one gear in forward?
It has multiple clutch plates not actual gears so no you wont hear it shift.
THAT is so awesome :D felt like I was in the car with Phil on that pass. Great stuff
In the drivers seat for a unique view of a 1/4 mile pass......Top Fuel..GREAT VIDEO 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟TURN IT UP!!!!!!
Andrew Dixon they only do 1000 feet
No I shot this in Perth. We run 1/4 mile for the pro series here in Australia.
Thanks for the ride.
Just before going into full stage, Phil pulls the fuel mixture from lean to rich. You can hear the engine note deepens and the revs drop a bit. I don't think it reflects on the dash. When fuel injectors are spraying as hard as garden hoses, it's hard to meter the fuel quantity precisely. But you don't want to risk flooding the cylinders and causing a hydraulic lock-up. I might be quite wrong, but that's why I understand they have a 'lean' setting up to the last possible second.
All I can say is Awesome awesome awesome video guys. I've never seen a full video from inside. On tv they only show a couple of seconds worth. From the burn out through the full pass awesome.
It's scary enough to watch and feel these things drive by, I can barely imagine driving one.
Yeah thanks. We did shoot it for the TV broadcast and they did only use a little bit, but after 3 years of shooting all the pro series events, my out-takes bin is fully of interesting and funning moments before staging or down the deep end. One day I should put them all together. It'd make a feature film...
man i just love top fuel geat video mate.
im so glad there's no tuner&domestic nonsense here.
P.S this has got to be one of the most badass videos on youtube.
I went to the Pomona NHRA races yesterday and holy shit, these things are fucking fast!! They accelerate to 313 mph in like less than a second, and when they go by your damn eardrums feel like exploding and the sound of the engine runs right through your body...I can't imagine the G forces these drivers must experience...and how in the hell can they control the fucking car??
Good to see another one hooked. >:)
I think they remove the stock power steering.
+jdspreest Just to correct your post, the fastest ones do 0 -100 mph in under one second, not 0 to 300 plus mph.
+Belicose777 LOL these cars aren't "stock". liek wet r u evn saye rit now
Obviously a joke. These are dedicated, custom fabricated dragsters not commuter vehicles. That's blatantly obvious.
I am going to need to do this.... When I was asked as a kid what I wanted to be when I grew up I said, " I want to be a drag racer, I want to drive top fuel."
I think when he opened up the throttle he opened the doors of hell, as we can hears all the tormented souls screaming for dear life at 8000 rpm!
@RIPSTOPPA Engine explosion. Blew the supercharger off. At the end when Phil looks at the smoking remains of his motor, you can see the blower is askew. All good though. Couple of hours - good as new.
@ 0:11 That fly on his glove is in for the ride of it's life.
6 years later I may now laugh
Holy shit what a rush this is better than drugs
is this what it would feel like to be in Sebulba's podracer?
Also the lever is set at half for the burnout, that’s plenty of power to spin the tires and get them sticky. The clutch is tuned to just pull the car when the you release the pedal and they hold it back with the hand break. They roll into the line and as soon as they stage that lever goes full on. As soon as the driver sees the yellow light up they mash the throttle pedal down and move from the hand break to the steering wheel and hold on. This is where the clutch man earns his pay.
Just FYI, top fuelers don't have injectors. Solid fuel rail with holes in it. Even during the exhaust cycles, fuel still pours into the cylinders.
2:19 the take off
Thats so fast its almost fuckin unbelievable 😂 oh how marvelous modern technology is
At least you guys down under still run 1\4 mile unlike up here in the states nice video
man the just the feel is amazing, my dads friend races in the super comp class, his car scared the shit out of me me when he let me drive it during test & tune so i know to fuel is much crazier
I've always wondered what it would be like.........this is as close as I will get.....Thank you very much.!!!! Stu.... "Excellent" cliched but says it all !!!!
Great helmet cam. He beat the other guy with a hole shot.
I had a bike that was rated 11.0 sec at 125.
I never raced it but when I got on the gas
it felt like I was going to fly off the end of the world
and it was all I could do to not be pulled off the seat.
Before this video I watched a go pro view on a dragster make a 6 sec run at just over 200.
That seemed incredibly fast compared to my bike.
Then I watched this video at 4.8 252 and it made the 6 sec 200 look slow.
So it is beyond my imagination what a 4 sec 330 run would be like.
I don't see how they can control the car.
I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.
The first time you make a run like that it must seem like you are going to die
because your brain is telling you there is no way you can stop before
you get to the end of the track.
its called downforce and glued asphalt and balls :)
+Barry 1337 and parachutes :P
EDIT: (sorry if i spelled it wrong)
+Barry 1337 mostly balls, alot of em
I could never do it, but i've been told those who do just want to go faster for the bigger thrill.
...wow...its amazing
I get a rush at only 140mph on my old Vmax!!
These blokes rock .😈😈
This sounds awesome through surround sound..👍😄😀
720p, Fullscreen.
This is awesome
the motor at idle is muy calming
Thanks for that. Fascinating!
Nothing unusual for the reads. Like father like son.
Someone needs to design a ride that mimics these cars. Hell Id pay $20 per ride
Explosion from the motor behind Phil as the supercharger separates from the manifold. The flames do have a habit of going forward into the cockpit.
Fastrack Racing now has a ride experience in rail-type cars. Unfortunately only at Willowbank and Sydney, not yet at the Motorplex. Not T/F cars though. Normally aspirated, *just* 1000hp and 0-100km/h in around 1.6 seconds. With 2 passengers on board. 200km/h in 660 feet and they are only allowed to run 1/2 track with passengers for insurance reasons. Nothing like the fury of a T/F car but still a great experience. I've had a couple of runs and it launches pretty hard. (Full track = 8.6)
Holy crap! What a ride!
R.I.P Supercharger!
amazing stuff...and well prepared crew
Holy cow the flames is the cabin at 2:24
@nashvilleraidersfan Thanks. And it helps to have the volume way up, too.
Yes, it has moved in the chassis. The block was OK. They fixed it quickly.
TF is so high tech nowadays!
I can remember the old front engine AA-FD dragsters where an oil pressure gauge was the only instrument to view engine condition!
Do modern TF dragsters use Data Loggers to record speed, RPM etc. ?
Yeah they do. In fact they have more devices to record data in them than a commercial airliner.
lol look at the RPM jump thats awesome
It's Nitro after all
buggati vs dragster I'll be laughing my ass out😂😂😂I'm already imagining the race already😂😂😂😂I hope one day this wish comes true!
Drag strip or race course? Venue determines which side of your ass you'll be laughing out of. However, I would pay good money to see both.
The dragster will get to the veyrons top speed in the same time it will get to about 100mph!
Yes, but the way I understand it - electronics manage the gradual feeding of the power to the drivetrain through a series of clutches. These are often timer-based and pneumatically actuated. The art is in programming how progressively that power is delivered - based on changing weather and track condition. Note that the burnout is done with a throttle-stop in place - set at 10% throttle. More than enough to frighten the kiddies.
Quite a few G's!!!
Awesome video man!
how many hp does it take to turn that blow over dang!!!
Cant tell from the frames, but the blower belt got tossed and it looks kinda like it didn't want to be attached to the engine anymore.
THATS FUCKING INTENSE
5gs
3gs I think
its 5, and 7 with the parachutes RefleXezZz Is Here
It wasn't actually a GoPro. It was a much smaller lipstick camera, attached to the outside of the helmet, half way between the side and top. Because the bolster cushions in the cockpit are so close, and designed to protect the driver in the event of severe tyre shake, I had to put the little camera where it wouldn't either be a risk to Phil, or get damaged in the event of 20+G tyre shake. It was secured with "tenatious tape" but any good race tape would do if the camera is light enough.
@grumpystu that engine was all askew..not just the blower lol, but nice vid.
Can you explain the lever on the left you are adjusting...I assume its the fuel lever?? Does your adjustment show up on the display, and if so where?
Great vid, thanks for sharing!
That was a fantastic view from actually inside the helmet right? May I ask was it a GoPro camera that you used, and if so, I also race myself what is called autocrossing where I drive my own car around a course and I have a GoPro too, and If I could ask you a very BIG favor, would you somehow be able to show me how you actually placed the camera inside your helmet for this view, Mine is a open face helmet so I dont know if this would matter or not, but I would love to film this way please
Nah, motor and transmission stayed in alignment. Just the blower studs all sheared (by design). Crankcase and liners were OK. As I remember, a couple of pistons were a little unloved so they threw a new set in, but they had the thing running fine an hour later.
man, did you even feel that fireball?
Noob question: Why don't top fuel dragsters build revs to launch like regular drag cars? Is it something to do with them using multiple clutch plates instead of transmission? (Or something like that, I can't remember exactly)
VoidSixx Because they would explode very, very quickly. They only use 1000 feet for top fuel since a full 1320 (1/4 mile) was too dangerous
no drive system on the planet could withstand a top fuel motor dumping all of its power in one go like a pro stock, and it would be pointless. at the start of the run every single clutch plate is slipping so only about 1/10th of the power is actually going to the rear wheels, (and even at that they still smoke the tires at launch regularly) plus you cant run a top fuel motor at full power for any length of time what-so-ever, the only reason they can do a burnout is because they are running half the fuel they would normally run in a pass, when you see him push that lever all the way forward to his left, thats him turning on the second fuel pump. you can actually hear the engine tone get deeper as it starts to run richer. any longer than 4 seconds and the engine is guaranteed to blow up. sometimes they let loose in less than 4 ;)
He blew his engine at half track and still went faster than most modified street cars.
He went faster than most hypercars at full throttle lol
He doesn't. He keeps his foot flat. Computers manage a pre-programmed run. So the engine goes straight to max revs and stays there. It won't over-rev. Of course Phil can lift his foot and modulates the throttle manually - if the car were to get tyre shake for example.
the lever on the left is the fuel mixture, correct?
Awesome!
Reminds me of my 1/8 th scale nitro buggy =)
What a rush! :D
i dont understand....how do you with stand g force like that..are your eyes blured?
Yeah, I think a 4.72 beat Phil, from memory.
Fastest I have personally witnessed in this country is 4.59 @ 332mph. Yep, 332mph! Phil Lamattina in Perth. It's on one of my other video compilations.
AWSOME
these guys are crazy at 2.24 there are flames in the cabin with him. Mark webber couldnt do this- his reaction times are too slow of the line! poor mark lol. I'd sooo love to give that a go- id go to the motorplex more often if we had 20 top fuelers going head to head doing runs between 4.4-4.8 consistently. RIO/BHP/FMG/ATLAS/SANTOS/WESTRAC/CHEVRON/WOODSIDE should all sponsor a Perth based team each.
now i feel like a big mac.
imagin trying to drive it around a race track lol it would be hell
zak loxray it's not possible actually
Vlas exactly xD. But still
Steering 10000 hp down the track with one hand.
ONLY REAL MEN NEED APPLY
And women. There are some fast chicks out there.
Umm.. please see the comments. Phil lost in the next round in a very close race. At the end of the season Darren Morgan won the championship. At the very very end a year later, Phil sold the car and it went to New Zealand I believe. Beyond that I don't know.
is the throtle flooored at launch ?
I'd be scare to run directly in front of if... what if it launched at you!
Top fuel dragsters: The fastest accelerating manned vehicle in the world from 0 - ~300mph.
2:24 fire!
Respect..
I once caught a fish this big
Who was the Sheehan he raced against?