2009 Volkswagen EOS P2711 Unexpected Mechanical Gear Disengagement DSG (Dual Clutch Replacement)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this video I will show how to replace a Dual Clutch Assembly in a 2009 VW EOS with a DSG Transmission, complaint is vehicle has harsh engagement and harsh disengagement when going in and out of gear between P, R, N, and D. also veh will be put into gear and feel like its in N (delayed engagement or no engagement). P2711 Unexpected Mechanical Gear Disengagement fault stored
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Same problem on a 2011 golf GTI. Solved by changig clutch pack like you. Thanks for the video
Hey buddy did you have a weird whine noise when you got this problem? My GTI has had a whine or whirring noise when applying throttle for a few days now. Finally got this code last night after rough... late engagement of first gear from a stop like the clutch was slipping. I had the clutch packs done about 5-6 years ago, but the noise was rough gear select clunks and vibrations, not this whine.
Mad props to you for sharing this. Keep on posting video's
I'm glad you liked it thanks for watching
I am so glad I found this video this is exactly what my 2006 vw Jetta tdi 6 speed auto dsg is doing. I am going to replace my clutches and the flywheel at the same time. My car is throwing the same fault code but it's also at times flashing the prnds in the instrument cluster and I believe my tranny goes into limp mode first gear only and I have to turn off and on my car and then it's fine. When I replace my clutches do I just replace the plates themselves or the whole assembly including hub there's a pretty big price difference $250 vs $650.
Same my car but how to fix it
P2711 code and flashing the prnds i dont know what is problem
Only video on the internet showing exactly my symptoms. Car stopped, changing between P, N, R, D you can hear the clunks and sometimes it even appears that something is moving below the car!
Coming dead stop, put R to park. If you don't wait for the clunk to stop and press the accelerator it will keep trying to go into R, and sometimes flash R and go to limp mode. That's when I get the P2711 recorded!
DSG went for repair a year ago, they changed the mechatronics in one go.
Not repaired, DSG went in again, dunnon what they've done, but it's still doing exactly the same.
Will now attempt myself to get a new clutch pack and DMF while at it and perform it.
Thanks for the video.
It is not mechatronic, i have the symptoms and some other friends have the same fault code as well. replaced clutch and its all good. I think clutch adaptation is a good info as well to keep in mind after changing the clutch.
Unexpected? Man, this is one of the most expected "features" you get with a VAG product ;)
Haha I know. I hate the dsg
Going threw it right now dealership trying to charge me 5 grand for these job I hate the dsg also
Informative but would have been better if you had shown us the damage to the old clutch pack so we would know what to look for. Thanks
I didn't think to do that, il look into doing that I may still have the old clutch pack
Good video,i had the pleasure of doing dual clutch on dsg (dry type) last week.
This is a good video I'm trying to find info on doing the clutch but in replacing the clutch I found the input shaft has a decent amount of in/out play but I cant seem to find any info on it!
Thanks mate. Save me from changing the all gear box
I have this issue right now, no transmission noise or clunking but I get the R flashing with no movement when I step on gas and flashing D only seems to run on 1-2 gears. When I shut the car off for a minute it’s ok but my mechanic says I need a rebuilt tranny which when you include labor is about 6-7k 🚬 so will go to a transmission specialist shop and get the mechatronic unit and clutches replaced and see if that helps it and for how long.
Very informative video Tommy ! Thanks for sharing. I never realised (please correct if I'm wrong) that the dual clutch packs are wet clutches ?? I thought they were twin dry clutches with two different sized inputs shafts ? The oil and filter replacement procedure would be ace as one of your future videos 😉Great work
I believe the standard DSG transmission on VWs is a wet clutch
It's both. There's a few different versions of the DSG box, some are wet clutch and some are dry.
@@speakdino10the 7 speed had a dry clutch
This problem is definitelly problem with clutch. You need to replace the clucth + readapt the greabox via ODIS. But another problem why clutch failed could be caused by bad mechatronics unit and bad solenoids, or low oil volume or pressure in the gearbox.
wao,thats good upgrade to the transmission, I will get a cluth assembly and replace mine,thanks.
FYI a pair of Knippex snap ring pliars would help you with that clip. comes off with ease. NO TAGS ON THIS VIDEO SHOULD BE TAGGED DSG DSG CLUTCH. I could not find it when looking for it also VW Jetta and some O2E DSG 6 and some other tags would get this more views.
the only reason I found this is it was suggested. If you tag it better and put dsg clutch in the title you will get many more views. it is the best view of how to install the whole clutch assembly. I would like to see someone do the individual clutches. VW requires the whole drum assembly if someone had a video of how to do the clutches without that would help the guys trying to save a buck or 2.
"Fill it up with our great fill procedure, and that's it". What about running the adaptation in VCDS, etc after the fill (unless you mention that as part of the fill procedure)? Not doing that adaptation will toast those clutches in 500 miles. Don't ask me how I know :( Thank you for posting! You do a great job explaining it! Sub'd!
Excellent video really helpful thank you
Wonderful video with beautiful explanation in the simplest possible form for easiest understanding...!!
Loved this video...!!
Ugh! Shop wants $3500 for repair. Gonna drive it till it breaks, then off to the junk yard for this money pit. 2010 EOS
Yeah it’s labor intensive. I feel like a used transmission would be cheaper
Have you ever pulled the clutch pack apart with p2711 to inspect how the clutch plates are worn?
They wear out like any wet clutch pack.
Great video, great job. Thanks for posting.
So if you have the p2711 and a bunch of ckt codes you would believe it to have a faulty mechatronics units right?
Great video content mate, where can i find that special tool to hold the clutch disc?
Thanks this the best DSG 02E clutch replacement video that I've seen so far. For some reason I did not find this video when I was searching for videos like this but it was a youtube suggestion many months later. At the end of the video when you get the cover on how did you do that, 21:45 it looks like you pushed down with your thumbs on the edge of the cover?
My vw mk5 with box DSG 02E I present the code P2711, the failure that presents are the following:
1.- When you stop, for example, when you reach a traffic light and move the selector lever from D to N or P, you feel that it makes the changes very rough or hard.
2.- On one occasion when selecting R the car was neutralized and did not mark any speed in the instrument panel.
3.- When turning on the car, it feels unstable since it trembles more than normal.
The solution to the fault code and the problems described could be the replacement of the double clutch?
Have u solved the problem?
Great job brother. Thanks for sharing,
How long those clutches last with normal driving conditions?
I've read somewhere that should last around 200 000 km
Nice, hope to see more videos about transmissions diagnosis.
Gr8 video MAN I really like it. from India.
how much does something like this cost with labor?
After paying twice as much as the part is worth and labor about 5000$.
So a p2711 code is 100% the duel clutch? And not the gearbox? Please help 😞
I have been told it’s the gearbox also, how did you get on ?
Hi Positive Lead Diagnostics,
I've the same error P2711, however, my problem is, going on the road and suddenly PRNDS starts flashing, it stays in a gear and I have to turn the car on and off again. Do you think it is the Dual Clutch Assembly or Mechatronics?
Best regards
It could be one or the other. Any slipping or harsh engagement? Clunking noises from neutral to reverse or drive?
Positive Lead Diagnostics yes i have clunks on startup when shifting, i have code 1741, clutch adaptation limit exceeded
HI I have clunking noises in neutral is it the clutch or mechatronics?
Right on, didn't know those were in there.
What if you only replace the actual clutch discs? Would you still need to measure
great video . from Glasgow scotland
I enjoyed watching the video I have the same problem with my vw the reverse sometimes does not respond so you think I going to replace the whole clutch assembly? By the way how many bolts are holding the transmisión to the engine?
Could be the mechatronic unit or the dual clutch pack. Any faults?
I also have similar problems, a little delay inserting the speed D1 and R(from N), and the rough start. Sometimes it happens when it is inserted in D1 or R transmission skips. It also has a harsh sound. No fault diagnostics.
@@PositiveLeadDiagnostics where can I find this unit?
Great video! Leave the text comments on the screen a little longer so there is a little more time to read them.
will do thanks for watching
Need some help, I just bought a 08 Jetta 2.0T with 98k miles and DSG. I don’t have no fault codes. Replaced DMF thinking it was that still get the same problem. Most of the time not all the time it drops Reverse gear and Drive. Once in drive it shifts crisp thru out all gears. Would it if need a clutch pack?
Fantastic job from London
London!!! that is awesome thanks for supporting!!!
Nice video, can you do some diesel videos for us Euro Tech's pls?
absolutely trying to get some diesel stuff on here
+Positive Lead Diagnostics i'd love also but maybe its not what you do :)
This is also a good time to replace the transmission mount for this procedure.
Great video thanks!! Just wondering don’t you to replace the fluid and filter?
Same problem, strange noises when engaging and disengaging gears. Car Skoda Octavia 2010 CCZA Engine Transmission DSG AG6 LQZ.
Hello thanks for the video, l have same error but gearbox is automatic. The car goes smoothly gear 1 and 2 but fails on gear 3. Is remedy the same, sorry not to technical
Hi, just wondering if you managed to fix your problem as I have the exact same symptoms as you ......1 to 2 then fails in 3rd. Thanks
@@adamgrimshaw2447 l replaced the clutch with a brand new one. So the gear side is now fine, but it's now getting stuck on gear2 though the car is no longer stopping like it used. My mechanic pointed to mechatronic so he is still working on it
@@claytonmurungu2671was it mechatronic?
Awesome video
Was it a genuine vw clutch that you replaced with?
Yes oem parts
Where can i find this DSG kit? Part#? Tried on FCP and others, and can only find the discs themselves....any help would be awesome !
Great video,but from a technician stand point when we teach everyone how to do our job how do we make any money.
There are plenty of Broken cars to go around. And there will always be broken cars. This type of job is very complicated for the diy guy. Most likely will be coming to a shop for this big of a repair.
Brilliant Video Bro!
Great Video . This code also means it could just be the input or output speed sensors . I am hoping that is the case with my 08 EOS. Should I change out the sensors before doing all of this?
I would not put sensors in it, usually a speed sensor would throw a fault for that specific sensor, you could monitor those speed sensor data pids to see if one is dropping out
I have this code also. I replaced my mechatronics with a new one but still have the same issue. What else can be the problem? Sometimes I scan and it says output shaft speed sensor problem.
It could be the output speed sensor cutting out and causing both of your codes. I would be doing checks on the output speed sensor
@@PositiveLeadDiagnostics Any videos on how to repair or replace this sensor? I cant seem to find the part online and not sure what it looks like.
Followed this the the letter I believe. Its on the later dq250 which is 0D9 instead of 02E (fundamentally they are the same with some revised improvements apparently)
Everything is back to together and fluid level correct. It won't complete basic settinga just clunk's once or twice and says aborted. It will drive sort of but after 2nd gear it won't go to 3rd. There is codes for main pressure valve, cooling valve electrical Malfunction but when tested all ok and replaced mechatronic for working spare and still same codes. Is there any way doing the clutches can affect fluid flow pressures etc that would make the mechatronic think it was electrical fault in the oil control valves? Thanks in advance.
This sounds like maybe you have something mechanically wrong inside the transmission. The internal of a dsg are the same as a manual transmission. Any chunks of metal in the fluid
Good work 👍😁
Hi tommy , thanks for uploading this vid, can I ask the make and or a part number, of the circlip pliers you are using , I could do with a strong set like those , Thanks
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I have a 2010 vw cc with the same error code, took it in they told me it was the mechatronic unit hade it changed still didn't fix it, so do you think this is the next possible solution to fixing it?
It is very possible.
Go back and forth between R N D and you can actually hear it trying to disengage and engage
What does CLUTCH 1 OPENS UNINTENTIONALLY mean or how do you fix it?
Do the 2.0 TDI GTD’s have the same gearbox as I’ve got the exact same issue on my car?
Hello, great info!! My 09 EOS has the same fault code p2711 my transmission is not making any noise at all it engages normally. But my issue is that it goes up to 3rd gear and after 3k rpm goes limp mode. I shut it off and back on and engages normal again. Any suggestions would be very appreciate it. TIA!
I have a Skoda Superb doing the same thing. If you also have a fault code relating to overheating then it could just be low fluid (I'd do a full fluid change and filter), if it goes into limp mode very early in the trip (ie. not long enough to cause actual overheating), then it could be the TFT (Transmission Fluid Temperature/Speed) sensor has failed - in this scenario it's worth replacing the sensor when you do the trans fluid/filter change. Hopefully that will fix the problem. If it is just the p2711 code, then it may be a clutch pack issue. Hope that helps? Cheers!
I have the P2711 code on my Audi a3 8v (PUQ engine code). Did you replace whole tranny or just the dual clutch assembly? If just the assembly, what about this code let you know it was just that and not something else (like tiptronic/mechtronic unit)?
great video helped me loads!!!
but can you tell me the importance of the shim being perfect? like what does it do as i just changed my clutch packs and put in a shim the same size as the one taken out but now i have a delay when changing to even gears??? no faults on mechatronics
I believe the shim limits the clutch play on the input shaft. It is pretty important for that shim to be correct.
ok nice one thanks for the advice do you have an email i also wanted to ask about the software i changed gearbox to a newer but didnt copy the software data will that cause any issue as i have ocassional short to ground on 215 solenoid???? and fault always there is implausible message from load controller????
My guess would be the software is causing the implausible message from load controller. But I don't know the one and outs of the software. I would do some wiring tests on the solenoid.
Or overall it could just be a mechatronics issue. Check you wiring to the mech unit
So I ran the computer on my TT. I got that same code pop up. What’s the likelihood that it will be the same issue?
Very good video, but I’m concerned about the mechatronic failure which causes this code?? Some say the input speed sensor can be faulty?? Which is the tcu, can you clarify? Thanks in advance!
My guess is that you would have a code for the speed sensor along with the disengagement fault. In which You would diagnose the speed sensor first.
I have a 2012 volkswagen with a code p2711, with the same code that you fixed. I already changed the part that you changed, but the problem keeps on going. Do you have an idea of what else I can do? The reverse gear is dead (doesn’t work). Thank you, I expect your reply.
Sounds like you could have internal transmission damage or a problem with the mechatronic unit
How long will it last once readjusted? I have exactly the same fault on a 06 jetta tdi
Thanks for the video! Do you know what could cause the same error on an automatic transmission? We've got a 2010 vw passat
Is it a dsg or is it the normal automatic ? Those other transmissions have issues with the valve body and harnesses
Great video! I'm having the same issue as you described in the video. My question here is if I drive like 40 000 km with this condition will affects other parts of the gear?
I would imagine it cant be good for the components and could potentially affect them
It is necesary to take down the transmission? or can it be done mounted on the car?
I think you have to take it off the car. The DSG on VWs is a sealed system and very compact. It's hard enough changing the fluid let alone repairing it while it's on the car.
Hi man . I ve a vx golf 6 GTD 2010 170CV ....when I start walking the automatic gearbox does not exceed the third then the minute revolution increases and the letter D flashes and I have these error codes p2711 and 19143. thank you.
Im scared . What can be . Is it mechatronic or mechanical part .
Did you have to complete an adaptation/coding after the dual clutch assembly replacement or is it not mandatory. Will with run with the original coding? Thank you
you shouldn't have to mess with coding, but you should do basic settings and clutch adaptations
great video nice job
Hi everyone how much cost this work ?
does it not make more sense to just replace the clutches?
How many miles was on this transmission? just curious on how long the dual clutches last thanks so much.
I don’t remember honestly but I want to say I think around 100k
i got the p2711, ive had my clutch packs replaced. i have trouble getting in to reverse and park sometimes if the car is dead stopped, if i let the car roll a little bit, it'll be fine as it locks in. would this be the mech unit now thats causing the shifting issues? i have no issues in drive at all.
mines 6 speed 02e on 1.9 tdi
it is very hard to say, the mech unit controls the clutches so that could be the issue, but it could be an issue with the clutches too usually a mech unit causes shifting issues or a no comm. i would lean more toward the clutches even though you had them replaced
Hi Ryan.
Have you checked the automatic selector cable? That could be the fault as it may be a bit loose.
After you had changed your clutches did you get any more P2711 issues?
i have problem sometimes when i start to drive car jump and when press brake car stop and jump a lit bit
how bout the output and input shaft sensor
Hello, I am a Vietnamese child who is currently studying and repairing a car, I would like to ask for less information on automatic numbers. Currently chhaus is learning so not yet.
Can you fix my eos.....It has the same problem.....and how much am I looking at to fix the car plz?
Hi great video, where did you get the tools from ie the dials?
i would try harbor freight tools
Great video. Would you mind sharing the 02E398321 various ring thickness?
There are a bunch of different thicknesses that come in the kit
Las descalibracion de los embragues causa esta falla p2711
I changed my new clutch, and still the P2711 error continues, which step would you do?
It could be a mech unit issue or an input or output speed sensor dropping out. Any other faults stored. Was it an oem dual clutch that was installed and was the correct shim installed?
out of curiosity why wouldn't you take the time to flush it before refitting it to the car, get rid of any clutch or metal shavings etc, or i guess even after refitting it,
I flushed the fluid and there’s also a filter you change. I just did it after I put it in the vehicle off camera. The point of this video was to show how to replace the dual clutch.
Hi i like your video I have the same issue unexpected gear disengagment p2711 in my touran dsg 2 liter 2011 automatic car, please guide me what could be the problem?
Do you have the same symptoms when switching gears? Clunking. Harsh engagement. Harsh disengagement?
@@PositiveLeadDiagnostics hi I have the same problem in my VW Passat 2011 TDI dsg 2.0l when putting it into prnd it makes these clonking noise and I had the same fault code, do u advise I change the flywheel and clutch or get a new gearbox with mech unit? I will appreciate any feedback from yourself, thanks alot.
Is the value 1.85mm fixed? Rule for all dsg6 models?
No. You have to do the measurement to get the correct size shim.
Thanks for this awesome video! Do you know where can I find the T10303 tool? I can't find it in Europe. Thanks!
no dealers offer purchases of their tools?
Positive Lead Diagnostics I guess I have to ask them. I didn’t find yet an online store to buy it. Thanks!
Need a dual clutch kit can you assist?
Do the clutches in a new VW clutch kit require soaking in trans fluid before installing
I changed a new clutch, and you still passed code P2711, what step would you give me?
Carlos good afternoon, you solved your problem, I have that fault code
oh cool!
On how many kilometers needs to be replaced the clutch
I've heard that so long as you replace the fluid every 40k miles, the transmission as a whole lasts a very long time.
Was this the issue?
Or was it the Gear selector fork bearings?
Dual clutch fixed this car
@@PositiveLeadDiagnostics Thank you 😊
@@PositiveLeadDiagnostics So the Technical Service Bulletin for P2711 is correct?
you think DSG removal is doable on jackstands at home
That would be tough. You would have to pull the subframe. And you need a support brace on the top to hold the engine up.
Dual mass flywheel
Fuel pump
Where are you located?
Direct Shift Gearbox ???! 😂
Hello, pleass your model name or type of your snap ring in 15:47
Sk circlip pliers I think
Rai3 top
Mahindra Scorpio car timing dekhna hai
Can someone please share what is the background song at ruclips.net/video/ga_4y7thB8w/видео.html ?
We're is you location?
Pittsburgh pa
FYI. That is not a micrometer That is a Digital Caliper. Micrometers look like a c clamp that measure really accurately. Those are dial/digital Caliper
I always laugh at the goofy measurements VW expects us to make. Extremely inaccurate, and inefficient if you ask me.
Lynx Star Automotive Seems quite ridiculous!
@@EB-ok3io I've done a fair number of these since my initial post. First trick I learned, is that you need to double check your initial placement of the clutch pack onto the input shaft. This is where a lot of techs get stuck. Make sure it is seated all the way. Then install your tool #T10303
Next trick I learned is that you get a more accurate reading by *rocking* the clutch end to end vs pulling straight up on it.
Final trick I learned is toss that worthless plastic ball gag the plate comes preinstalled with and use VW tool #T10302 to resize the seal, and protect on installation. Makes popping that final cover on a breeze.
thanks for the video!
I replaced the clutch discs, but the same error appears, what should I do?
error generates with cold engine
when I do basic settings on the VCDS it returns to normal
hot engine works perfect
gearbox sound: ruclips.net/video/vZiBu0FWdiU/видео.html
dashboard: ruclips.net/video/Bikn8_JmZdY/видео.html
Was it shimmed correctly? How's the fluid level? Factory parts installed? Maybe a solenoid issue with the mechatronics unit
My mechanic did not change the part
"02E398321" he used the same, put 7.2 liters motul multi dctf, changed 9 composite discs out of the factory, keeping the original steel discs, heard reports he could have solved by changing the original complete factory part, I heard reports that mechatronics appears solenoid error. these errors do not present
Note to self. Don't ever buy these POS's VWs.