1963 1/2 was an indie comic in the works before Alan Moore's series was announced. At first, they were both called "1963". To resolve the confusion, the creators decided to promote each other's works; but I don't think 1/2 ever came out.
While we are talking about Tyrant, I definitely saw and interview with Bissette where he said he stopped teaching due to Covid and is now heavily researching current dinosaur science with the intent to finish Tyrant. He promised it wouldn’t have a happy ending. I hope that means Tyrant gets eaten by another dinosaur and not that Bissette never finishes the book. I. Can. Not. Wait.
I purged all the Image comics from my collection long ago, including my copies of 1963. I get the urge to buy just about every comic you guys talk about. This time I did it. I just ordered the complete set of 1963.
Now that 1963 is complete let’s see Alan Moore’s amazing supreme run! Lot of Rick Veitch art in those issues that have never gotten the spotlight they deserve
You guys were very polite not to mention the reasons why the annual never came to be. But me? I've got nothing to lose but my shackles! It had to do with the founding fathers trying to steal Alan Moore from Jim Valentino. It had to do with that Steve Bissette TCJ interview that caused Moore to never speak to him again. It had to do with Jim Lee jumping into the project, then taking a sabbatical from drawing comics, and then selling Wildstorm to DC together with Moore's ABC Comics. Lovable as he is, Affable Al never ever forgives anyone who crosses him and turns his passion for writing into just another pedestrian business operation -- and I think he is absolutely right to do so. 1963 was a CRITICAL tribute to the Silver Age and a comment on the Image era... and the fact that it ended the way it did... it's just perfect. Sadly, sadly perfect.
I will always mourn the quiet death of 1963. I've been on the edge of my seat waiting for you guys to cover Tomorrow Syndicate. Now that it's here, it's a bit bitter sweet. But I'm glad to see it get the attention it deserves. Despite how unfair it is that we'll never get that annual, any kind of conclusion, reprints, or even the Naut Comics continuation, atleast Tomorrow Syndicate bid us farewell with a bang.
At 7:30: In the Rick Veitch piece, Veitch is drawn (by himself?!) in a pose by the drawing table that seems to reference Art Spiegelman in "Breakdowns".
Thanks for showing these off fellas, I found these thru you, these are some of the best comics I’ve ever read. Favorite image is N-Man calling On The Road a “crummy dime novel”
I hope you guys look into the Big Bang and Shadowhawk crossovers down the road. They're nowhere near as great as the proposed annual could have been, but they're just as fun as the main series. 63' ties eith Big Bang doesnt end there either, 1963 and a quarter was meant to be a parody of 1963 itself. Eventually the project fell through, and we ended up with the character "Mister U.S." making his appearance in the pages of Big Bang sometime soon thereafter. Same idea really, the evolution of comics superheroes through time, but recounted in just one issue.
Wow! You guys perked up my interest in 1963 again. I may need to long box dive at a few comic stores to find them. If there were a different, new mystery villain at the end of the book, 1963 Annual would more likely to happen to avoid stumbling over character copyrights.
Fun Fact: The name "Victory Vanguard" was reused in Alan Moore's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Vol. 4: The Tempest. In Moore's last comic book, THIS version of Victory Vanguard is a team of British [public domain] superheroes sanctioned by MI-5 to rival the Seven Stars [a group of British public domain superheroes].
@@prof_werneck with you 100%. If someone came up with a story, I know there are enough subscribers to this channel that would do a page and we could print it ourselves. A return to APAs. This needs to happen
one of my comic strips last few years was a satire of 70's dc comics. So, A Korean gal who published one of them, told me about this and Supreme, and what it reminded her of my stuff. I went to New Horizon i think in Pittsburgh and bought the issues I could find, and thought it was brilliant. I didn't read Alan Moore as a younger kid, like many, but I think hes brilliant and it has become hip to dislike him, as said to some one who was tearing apart his comics somewhere else. His Anglican lit prism as held against him, for League Gentlemen, as i geuss they are used to comics book writers being illiterates in whole. But like all great satire, it was a sense I got too, under the facade, he was saying something about comics, and Marvel that no one else would. The best line of the books , which i have to buy again, was him asking in that Stannish vernacular...No wait...what have you heard...?
Still waiting for this 80 Giant....But fuckin' love this. This is the comic that got me into all of these artists and turned me into an AltComic lover.
I know top cow left image shortly because of a feud with liefeld in 1996, but do you think they were giving us inside knowledge on this before it happened with not having cyberforce in the last page?
That ending is just... heartbreaking... This is way up there on the pantheon of the great comics that never were, perhaps even above Big Numbers? Any others come to mind?
Grant Morrison and Gene Ha's authority seemed like an interesting project although the only two issues released were only ok, Underwater by Chester Brown, and of course too many Image Projects.
I was gunna say veitch & bissette should just do the annual & kickstart it & then just get the image guys to draw there character but then I remember the image United story erik larsen told how frustrating it was to get the other guys to get it done & that fell through SO RIP 1963 annual 😭😭
Alan Moore’s supreme never got its finale issue either. I wonder if a script exists for them. I’d imagine Alan Moore has everything planned out beforehand
From what I've gathered, 1963's annual finale was killed by a thousand cuts. The speculator bubble bursting, the clashing egos of the Image co-founders, the Steve Bissette TCJ interview, and so on. Much like Image United, we may never see this promised annual due to so many bitter wounds & primadonnas. BTW. I disliked Moore's petty jabs at Stan Lee during this series. Especially now that Stan is no longer with us. At least he put in the work to earn his co-creator status. The same cannot be said for Bob Kane. I find it bitterly ironic that Affable Al spewed this venom while doing business with the Image co-founders. Jim Lee took his Wildstorm ball and went home to DC Comics. Rob Liefeld threatened Jack Kirby's widow and lost the rights to Youngblood. And Todd McFarlane learned the hard way to never screw over Neil Gaiman. Another tragic case of those failing to learn from history.
Alex Cox was the director of the cult movies such as Repo Man and Sid and Nancy Dick Rude was an actor was was in a lot of his movies. I have no idea what they were supposed to do with 1963 1/2
Nope, even getting it reprinted proved to be a pain in the ass because Moore is a primadonna. The best you'd get is a custom made job. Have a look, ruclips.net/video/g5nR4Qh16Y4/видео.html
How do we get these guys to finish this! Somebody start bothering Alan Moore until he agrees to let the Annual be published. We don’t need Jim Lee’s art. Let’s goooooooooooooooooo!!!
Alan Moore must've grown to like the taste of Orange Tang in his mouth, so after riffing on Silver Age Marvel, he went on to Silver Age DC with the Supreme series and a reboot of the "Awesome" Universe in Judgement Day. Of course, the publisher ended up flaking out eventually, so Moore goes from being hosed by Lee (allegedly) to being hosed by Liefeld (allegedly). I hope you cover the Supreme series, at least, but Judgement Day is a real tour de force of comics history. As you say, Silver Age DC seems closer to Moore's heart and this all leads directly to ABC.
The 1963 1/2 plug wasn't just in that one panel, it was what that whole weird JFK page was--THAT was a plug for it. "Some form of Subgenius," they say in that last panel. I wanted to get this so much because I loved Mavrides (and Alex Cox, who did SID AND NANCY) and his Church of the Subgenius stuff, which also uses that conspiracy mashup aesthetic. I was very sad when it never came out--I wonder why.
1963 1/2 was an indie comic in the works before Alan Moore's series was announced. At first, they were both called "1963". To resolve the confusion, the creators decided to promote each other's works; but I don't think 1/2 ever came out.
10:00 It's fun to see Alan Moore's jab to The Death of Superman in the bottom left, haha!
And there's Swamp Thing in the crowd
While we are talking about Tyrant, I definitely saw and interview with Bissette where he said he stopped teaching due to Covid and is now heavily researching current dinosaur science with the intent to finish Tyrant. He promised it wouldn’t have a happy ending. I hope that means Tyrant gets eaten by another dinosaur and not that Bissette never finishes the book.
I. Can. Not. Wait.
Finally some good news in this fallen world
I purged all the Image comics from my collection long ago, including my copies of 1963. I get the urge to buy just about every comic you guys talk about. This time I did it. I just ordered the complete set of 1963.
Now that 1963 is complete let’s see Alan Moore’s amazing supreme run! Lot of Rick Veitch art in those issues that have never gotten the spotlight they deserve
You guys were very polite not to mention the reasons why the annual never came to be. But me? I've got nothing to lose but my shackles!
It had to do with the founding fathers trying to steal Alan Moore from Jim Valentino.
It had to do with that Steve Bissette TCJ interview that caused Moore to never speak to him again.
It had to do with Jim Lee jumping into the project, then taking a sabbatical from drawing comics, and then selling Wildstorm to DC together with Moore's ABC Comics.
Lovable as he is, Affable Al never ever forgives anyone who crosses him and turns his passion for writing into just another pedestrian business operation -- and I think he is absolutely right to do so. 1963 was a CRITICAL tribute to the Silver Age and a comment on the Image era... and the fact that it ended the way it did... it's just perfect. Sadly, sadly perfect.
I will always mourn the quiet death of 1963. I've been on the edge of my seat waiting for you guys to cover Tomorrow Syndicate. Now that it's here, it's a bit bitter sweet. But I'm glad to see it get the attention it deserves. Despite how unfair it is that we'll never get that annual, any kind of conclusion, reprints, or even the Naut Comics continuation, atleast Tomorrow Syndicate bid us farewell with a bang.
At 7:30: In the Rick Veitch piece, Veitch is drawn (by himself?!) in a pose by the drawing table that seems to reference Art Spiegelman in "Breakdowns".
Thanks for showing these off fellas, I found these thru you, these are some of the best comics I’ve ever read. Favorite image is N-Man calling On The Road a “crummy dime novel”
The day has finally come!
I hope you guys look into the Big Bang and Shadowhawk crossovers down the road. They're nowhere near as great as the proposed annual could have been, but they're just as fun as the main series. 63' ties eith Big Bang doesnt end there either, 1963 and a quarter was meant to be a parody of 1963 itself. Eventually the project fell through, and we ended up with the character "Mister U.S." making his appearance in the pages of Big Bang sometime soon thereafter. Same idea really, the evolution of comics superheroes through time, but recounted in just one issue.
The Big Bang Comic is actually a reprint of another Image comic book called A TOUCH OF SILVER (#5).
That add for Rare Bit Fiends sold me . I had to track it down back in the day. It's a good comic.
As you were studying through the comic, I noted and loved ...... Superman at the front of a que..... Face and badge covered up, but it's him.
Wow! You guys perked up my interest in 1963 again. I may need to long box dive at a few comic stores to find them. If there were a different, new mystery villain at the end of the book, 1963 Annual would more likely to happen to avoid stumbling over character copyrights.
Strange Brain Parts did a video on the 1963 series sheds some light on why the annual never happened
Excellent, and essential. Fine work, gentlemen.
Fun Fact: The name "Victory Vanguard" was reused in Alan Moore's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Vol. 4: The Tempest. In Moore's last comic book, THIS version of Victory Vanguard is a team of British [public domain] superheroes sanctioned by MI-5 to rival the Seven Stars [a group of British public domain superheroes].
Kirby's Phantom Force for Image Comics to the right of the screen. Imagine if Kirby had done the 1963 Annual with Alan Moore!
There's still time to pitch a 2023 series.
If we could put together an army of artists and writers and colorists and everything else... It can be done! Been thinking about this for a while now!
@@prof_werneck with you 100%. If someone came up with a story, I know there are enough subscribers to this channel that would do a page and we could print it ourselves. A return to APAs. This needs to happen
Great video for a great series.
one of my comic strips last few years was a satire of 70's dc comics. So, A Korean gal who published one of them, told me about this and Supreme, and what it reminded her of my stuff. I went to New Horizon i think in Pittsburgh and bought the issues I could find, and thought it was brilliant. I didn't read Alan Moore as a younger kid, like many, but I think hes brilliant and it has become hip to dislike him, as said to some one who was tearing apart his comics somewhere else. His Anglican lit prism as held against him, for League Gentlemen, as i geuss they are used to comics book writers being illiterates in whole. But like all great satire, it was a sense I got too, under the facade, he was saying something about comics, and Marvel that no one else would. The best line of the books , which i have to buy again, was him asking in that Stannish vernacular...No wait...what have you heard...?
Shadowhawk #14 and Big Bang Comics #35 for further adventures of Image 1963
Big Bang actually reprints another Image book (A Touch of Silver #5)
Still waiting for this 80 Giant....But fuckin' love this. This is the comic that got me into all of these artists and turned me into an AltComic lover.
Such a great series this is!
I know top cow left image shortly because of a feud with liefeld in 1996, but do you think they were giving us inside knowledge on this before it happened with not having cyberforce in the last page?
Any thoughts on covering the Shadowhawk and the Big Bang issues that featured the 1963 characters?
Shadowhawk #14. I have it along with Big Bang Comics #35 (*which actually a reprint of A Touch of Silver #5).
"There's no annual to go along with this..."
Yet!
(does crossing your fingers for years do permanent damage to your hands? Asking for a friend.)
2023 is right around the corner, man...
That ending is just... heartbreaking... This is way up there on the pantheon of the great comics that never were, perhaps even above Big Numbers? Any others come to mind?
Grant Morrison and Gene Ha's authority seemed like an interesting project although the only two issues released were only ok, Underwater by Chester Brown, and of course too many Image Projects.
Grant Morrison's WildCats...
I need more 1963!
I was gunna say veitch & bissette should just do the annual & kickstart it & then just get the image guys to draw there character but then I remember the image United story erik larsen told how frustrating it was to get the other guys to get it done & that fell through SO RIP 1963 annual 😭😭
Alan Moore’s supreme never got its finale issue either. I wonder if a script exists for them. I’d imagine Alan Moore has everything planned out beforehand
From what I've gathered, 1963's annual finale was killed by a thousand cuts. The speculator bubble bursting, the clashing egos of the Image co-founders, the Steve Bissette TCJ interview, and so on. Much like Image United, we may never see this promised annual due to so many bitter wounds & primadonnas.
BTW. I disliked Moore's petty jabs at Stan Lee during this series. Especially now that Stan is no longer with us. At least he put in the work to earn his co-creator status. The same cannot be said for Bob Kane. I find it bitterly ironic that Affable Al spewed this venom while doing business with the Image co-founders. Jim Lee took his Wildstorm ball and went home to DC Comics. Rob Liefeld threatened Jack Kirby's widow and lost the rights to Youngblood. And Todd McFarlane learned the hard way to never screw over Neil Gaiman.
Another tragic case of those failing to learn from history.
How crazy would it be if they started a 1993 series in 2023?
it all comes full circle
solid blood 17?
The idea has been out there for a while... All we need is a small army of cartoonists... I'll be the first in line
Well it was fun while it lasted.
Woodring please!
Alex Cox was the director of the cult movies such as Repo Man and Sid and Nancy Dick Rude was an actor was was in a lot of his movies. I have no idea what they were supposed to do with 1963 1/2
Is any of this collected and still in print?
easy to find full sets on ebay
Nope, even getting it reprinted proved to be a pain in the ass because Moore is a primadonna. The best you'd get is a custom made job. Have a look, ruclips.net/video/g5nR4Qh16Y4/видео.html
@@lazer-ape I don't think it's only Moore's fault: the founding fathers who left Image also took some copyrights with them, it's a big legal mess.
How do we get these guys to finish this! Somebody start bothering Alan Moore until he agrees to let the Annual be published. We don’t need Jim Lee’s art. Let’s goooooooooooooooooo!!!
Unfortunately, Alan Moore has retired from comic books since 2019. Now he focusing on a film career.
Dude retires every 5 years. He can come back. Or just “okay” the finishing of the script he already mostly if not completely wrote.
Alan Moore must've grown to like the taste of Orange Tang in his mouth, so after riffing on Silver Age Marvel, he went on to Silver Age DC with the Supreme series and a reboot of the "Awesome" Universe in Judgement Day. Of course, the publisher ended up flaking out eventually, so Moore goes from being hosed by Lee (allegedly) to being hosed by Liefeld (allegedly). I hope you cover the Supreme series, at least, but Judgement Day is a real tour de force of comics history. As you say, Silver Age DC seems closer to Moore's heart and this all leads directly to ABC.
What a way to end off the comic. As a parody they could have definitely continued the comic, just no one wanted to.
The 1963 1/2 plug wasn't just in that one panel, it was what that whole weird JFK page was--THAT was a plug for it. "Some form of Subgenius," they say in that last panel.
I wanted to get this so much because I loved Mavrides (and Alex Cox, who did SID AND NANCY) and his Church of the Subgenius stuff, which also uses that conspiracy mashup aesthetic.
I was very sad when it never came out--I wonder why.
Jim Lee took a sabbatical. So its hard for him to follow through on drawing when he is taking some time off from drawing. Just one factor of many