While in college studying for my pilot's license, I took an aircraft accident course and the one thing all aviation accidents have in common is that it's almost never just one event that leads to an accident, but rather it's a series of small events, and complacency is almost always a factor, just as Ed admitted, great video breakdown!
Agreed! Specially in aircraft maintenance! It’s NEVER a singular event that leads to catastrophe. Thankfully during My 20 years of service I was never a cause. If I ever felt something was moving too fast or things were being assumed we started from scratch and did it again slow and steady until all boxes and paperwork were done correctly.
You 2 are so down to earth and such an enjoyment to watch, thanks for sharing and explaining the real life events of living aboard a yacht, good luck and looking forward to the next video.
A couple of things in this video really stand out for me. First, I was impressed by your post problem analysis. You didn’t shy away from accepting responsibility for things that you could have done better and will do differently next time. Your analytical approach maximizes the learning potential from any challenge. Second, it’s encouraging to see you always willing to roll up your sleeves and tackle a boat problem or project. Thanks for making and sharing your videos. I’m a sailboater, but I definitely enjoy watching your channel.
Thanks. I appreciate your comments. We try to keep our videos as real as possible, and sometimes that means admitting our mistakes. The "rolling up the sleeves" part is because I am cheap! 😁 Actually it is a necessity when doing the type of boating that we do. There is not always someone there to help.
We love our Mantus anchor for the Bahamas. And the anchor you show LOOKS small for your boat. And also should discuss how much CHAIN you have out. Much of the hold comes from the rode.
Thanks for the update and the thoroughly honest review. The best lessons are those learned by others misfortunes. All your viewers including myself will be better prepared because of this video. Thanks for taking the time.
You all did well as so many things going wrong at once is rare, but on the water, can eventually happen. You kept your cool and figured it out. One thing, my Riva 50’ came with a SS Danforth anchor worth $8,000. I immediately put it in storage and bought a 30kg Mantus for $800 at the time. Best anchor I ever had and have used it in sand, clay, mud, and even grass. The thing digs in and resets like no other anchor I’ve ever used, except maybe an Ultra. Worth every penny.
@@tryingnottosink9107 all 3 are great anchors. I think my Mantus resets better than my Rocna did, and is about the same as the Ultra, but 1/3 the price unless you go SS.
Great job saving the boat and your decisions! We always do the What we did Right and What we did wrong after an event! We also switched our danforth anchor out for a Manson Supreme and have never had a problem! Fair winds S/V Anam Cara Alan & Eileen
As for your anchor choice…it’s like asking a truck buyer if they are a ford or Chevy guy…they can’t see beyond their own opinion…we had you same dilemma before our 7 week Bahama trip last spring. Rocna and Mantus seemed to be the Chevy/Ford. We bought a M1 Mantus one size larger than our boy needed. We had many 30mph nights in the Bahamas on our trip…pretty sure we didn’t move an inch.
@@tryingnottosink9107 ha…I am a ford guy…so u better get the Rocna…lol. As u pointed out…it’s all about what the bottom material is to define the best anchor…from what I saw, you can go wrong with either
Ed and Lynn, I am so happy that all is well for you'all., you just never can anticipate everything. Remember though, "Its better in the Bahamas" Cheers, Rik Spector
We use a Mantus also, never had any problems and sets very fast. We also have a rocna, its a great anchor but the mantus is better because of the fast set. If you put them side by side on the dock you can see why. The Main reason the mantus sets faster is the angle of the shank.
@@tryingnottosink9107 my Rocna is a heavy anchor, but my go to is the 10 lb less Mantus . We cruise West Florida ( Destin area ) sandy bottom. As you know when buying your new Anchor over sizing is a great idea if it fits on your bow. I would recommend 2 sizes larger then the anchor calls for on the size of your boat. Cheers
Lynn, love the matching martini and top. Sorry for the degeneration, but thankful you guys are ok and solved the mystery. Great problem solving skills under duress. We all should learn from you success. Many thanks.
I'm glad you all are ok and found the problem. No one's perfect my friend your only human , you all did a great job on making sure you didn't sink and every one was safe. Again you have a amazing channel and I've enjoyed all your videos since you started out from the beginning, I don't miss any of your videos . See ya on your next adventure have a great night 🙋👻
I have watched your vLogs for some time now. I just (Aug 2024) bought a late 1980s 70 Hatteras CMY in FL. It is my intention to mimic much of the traveling you have been doing these last 5-6-7- years. I sooooooo enjoy your videos like this one where you talk about what has gone wrong and your diagnosis and fix. Especially for a Hatteras! I look forward to crossing paths with you some day in the future! Safe steaming and following seas (well, with a Hatt, maybe. IF you have stabilizers...)
Life is a learning experience. I like how you all take to time to dissect the accident and learn what all had to go wrong to make this happen. That is the best way to prevent it in the future. Hey at least you haven't sunk yet. :)
Talk about learning through experience! Cool to see the follow-up so we could see how things played out. And that was a reasonable Roger Out @ 10:57. Under the circumstances of duress, I'll take it. I will say, however, the very end of this episode might have been the perfect opportunity for a closing Roger Out. Just saying.
Lyn your comments are priceless and add something light hearted - in serious circumstances - those attached to hull sea chests are a pain should be integral to the hull - that wiring near the prop shaft coupling also may require attention - love your work Regards
Yeah, I need to work on that wiring. It's on the list. On new Hatteras' they just made a PVC manifold on the inside and had a regular through hull. I like that idea much better.
Wow, amazing how all those things needed to line up for this to happen. Some good changes will come from this one incident. Glad it wasn’t worse. Thanks for the learning experience! Maybe we’ll run into to you guys in Titusville. I occasionally smoke cigars at the Leaf too. We live in the area and have used that boat ramp many times.
Physically speaking those captains bars get heavy at times like this. Due diligence observed and commendable. Outstanding job diagnosing practically instantly. Thank you for sharing. This navy vet appreciates that.
You know what I love about this video and you guys, Is how real you are. We’ve been on the boat for 40 years of various sizes and had all kinds of troubles. I love the fact that you expose it review with that wrong and make sure you analyze and correct. Our goal is to get our smaller boat sold and we are upgrading to some thing similar to you so that we can do a little more travel on the water. Hope to see you out there and safe travels. Awesome job
Well there's a Saying and in this case so many possible causes the Words are Shit HAPPENDS I Think you need StarLink on the Boat always have GPS then expensive but cheaper that the repairs to a boat Im Just Happy All on Board are safe and no one Hurt On Wards and Up wards all a Leaning Curve Great Vlog thanks
A few tips using fibre glass matting and epoxy resin 1. NEVER use more mekp hardener than is needed and ALWAYS keep the mixing cup with the excess after use somewhere it wont matter if it self combusts (it happens) 2. Fray the ends of the fibreglass matting before applying it makes a stonger bond as there is not a simple straight line where it could crack 3. the mating surfaces have to be clean and COMPLETELY DRY otherwise it wont cure properly and cause issues later. You did right by sanding it before hand. i find when laying up matting i cut the brush bristles down maybe in half so its slightly more rigid when tamping the matting down.
There should be some wireless set up to monitor alarm sounds(wireless sound alarm, a child monitor,etc.... so you dont have to run line. Also a bilge alarm would be beneficial or tilt/list alarm. I would think for that chest to separate there might be some flex which could cause some worry on the exterior. I know they are built like a tank but it did have to flex to make that crack. Be safe and what a life!
My dad and I were caught in a storm on the Chesapeake when the bottom of the boat split open. Dad disconnected the engine from the closed sea chest and used the engine as a bulge pump to forestall floundering. You always have to be prepared--damage control.
Wow, Ed! If this isn't a prime example of the need for redundancy of systems, I don't know what is! Thanks for passing along your plans to use AIS as the main anchor alarm and relegate the phone app to backup status. That one's going right into my SOP for Concorde. Glad all worked out, all is well, and things are shipshape and Bristol fashion on Triton. Fair winds and calm seas man!
Hey Ed and Lyn! So sorry that happened to you guys, glad your okay! You could use an audio baby monitor in the bridge and your room to hear the alarm as a temporary fix until you wire it down to you room. Love your toddler parent fans lol
I mounted a small GPS chart plotter next to my bed. I set it on track (trace?) mode so it shows the past movements of the boat. While sleeping, I would occasionally open my eyes and glance at the screen. This would only take a second and it was very comforting to see that everything was ok. (I also have two anchor alarms).
I use a program called Anchor Lite as I did not pay for the premium. It is really a pain in the butt in a different way. If you do not have that app as the primary open screen, the display will go blank. When this happens, the phone will also turn off GPS and the alarm goes off whenever the signal is lost. Took me a while to figure out and now having this on a tablet and a phone, both plugged in with the screens dimmed. My Axiom also has an alarm, but like your equipment, it is on the bridge. I discussed the problems with anchoring in Nassau in my last comment, so beware. I have the feeling these videos are a couple of months behind though. I hope you have some luck with that CQR, but I have heard they are not great. The 33lb Bruce anchor worked great in mud and sand with zero problems for us in Florida. It does not do good on a hard bottom though. I changed it over to a 44lb Danforth after the Nassau snafus and had minimal problems with it. Sometimes in the turtle grass, it rips a ball off the bottom and now you are just dragging a soft grass ball around. I usually try to find a sand hole to drop the anchor in. Also, when the wind is blowing toward the island, I like to stay a couple of miles off Shore. I must say though, that anchoring seems to be the trickiest part of boating so far, but we got pretty good at it fast. Also, save my name and if ever in the Charleston Area when I am at home, I would be happy to assist in parts or grocery runs. This we found to be about the second hardest thing to accomplish, especially when there are just no dinghy docks near anything. Glad everything turned out alright. Charleston I just such an area. This invitation goes out to anybody on a boat in the area also. I go down to the boat every couple of days, so it is not really a problem and I love meeting new people.
That is the app we use. However, the alarm did not go off when it lost signal. I don't know why, other than them telling us it must be the primary app. In any case, we are using the Vesper AIS in the future and the app as backup.
This video was very interesting and educational. A nice follow-up to the last. This type of boating is not for the casual boater. Lot's of learning, planning, research, training, experience, etc., are needed. Start slow and build your way up to these types of adventures should be one of the lessons for your viewers. Glad you are safe! Safe cruising!
Captain! You did a great job! I love you both. I hope for my girl and I to meet you one day. We spent over a month in the Bahamas on our 51’ and created many memories like you guys. Our boat is named Triton as well.
I applaud you as usual for doing your on trouble shooting and repairs. If I had to pay someone to maintain my boat I could not afford my boat! You said you had to move your hot water heater! Why do you need to heat hot water? I have a cold water heater🤣🛫
The Rocha Vulcan is an outstanding anchor. We have been using the 73# version for over a year and have never dragged in our 30,000# 42’ Navigator, while cruising the Great Loop. 240’ all chain rode w/HiTest Stainless swivel.
Been going to bahamas for over 40 years I always dive on my anchor to make sure it's set,I drug anchor once when I anchored at midnight and didn't dive on it to check it.
Good analysis, but unless I missed you saying it, the single biggest factor is that you did not have nearly enough rode out if you dragged at all. You shouldn’t rely of the anchor to hold the boat, the weight of the 7 to 1 rode (10 to 1 in foul weather) will make for a proper hold.
We had 9 to 1 rode out. I always go a bit longer than needed, unless it is a small area. The weather was supposed to be good, or a would have gone 10 to 1 or more. Plus, we are all chain.
@@tryingnottosink9107 If you had 9 to 1 all chain rode out and still dragged, then it is either the wrong Anchor/Chain combo for your tonnage, or that the calculation of depth (sea bottom to bow pulpit…some people just look at the depth finder figure) was somehow inaccurate or miscalculated. Not trying to criticize, just trying to figure out so it doesn’t happen again. 9 to 1 all chain would hold in almost any conditions.
@@jonathanweiss3545 it was likely some combo of poor bottom (grassy?) and a light weight (aluminum) fortress anchor. Fortress anchors are great as day anchors in sand or mud (you can adjust the fluke angle from 32deg (sand) to 45deg (mud) before you release it and set it. If you have heavy (say 3/8ths inch or bigger) chain, more scope helps obviously. But if a gusty wind shift or strong tide change comes in the night, modern anchors (Mantis or Rocna) have proven enhanced ability to reset themselves.
Summer island weather is convective; forecasts can't be specific to a discrete location. Consider carefully at how you link that 'new' anchor to your chain rode; lots of bad choices being marketed. What and how do you set up your anchor rode's snubber? Better shock absorption that night might have delayed or avoided dragging. Glad it turned out OK.
WOWSER, couldn't wait to see what had happened . By gosh you got stuck into that problem and kicked its backside. A very well deserved few drams. Terrifically well handled.
Good information, I'm looking at adding 1-3 seachests during my overhaul over the next 3-5tears. I didn't really understand how a Seachest worked. Thanx a bunch. Danforth anchors (I have a #35# that is my backup) can let go. My primary is a 75# plow (CQR) for a "82 Carver 3607.
Hatteras yachts are like tanks. That must’ve been some impact if it did that kind of damage happened. I’d be willing to bet that if you guys were on another boat that it would’ve sunk. Glad everyone is safe and the boat made it out alive. Triton was looking out for you guys! 🔱
great video and honest evaluation. I'm not nearly as experienced as you folks are but my vote is to go to the Manson Supreme at least one size larger , maybe 2 sizes up based on your vessels weight than your boats recommended size. Those seem to be the go to for many cruisers and I had one on my small cabin cruiser and that thing set and held every single time I used it.
Sounds like Uncle Murphy (Murphy's Law) was running rampant that night. Nice that you are so willing to discuss everything that occurred so others may not make encounter the same situations.
Hi Ed, We have two anchors on board. We navigate waterways with lots of weeds and vegetation and we also boat in the Thousand Islands (st Lawrence) where we have a lot of sandy bottoms. Our Danforth is worthless in weeds, it just skims on top, great in the sand. In weeds, we use our Plow anchor which just dives right to the bottom and digs in. Hope there is not to much glass damage.
We are using our CQR anchor now with the Danforth as our backup, ICW anchor. We plan to purchase another anchor at the boat show. Glass damage was not bad at all considering. I show it in a future video.
When you set your anchor and pull the chain tight, zoom the scale on your chart plotter and drop a waypoint just off the stern of your boat. The resolution and precision of this waypoint is the most accurate indicator if your anchor is dragging. As the night progresses and you feel a strong gust of wind, look at your position relative to that waypoint (or an arc from the waypoint if wind shifted). This is much more accurate than land references and is an earlier indicator than say a 150 foot circle of the anchor alarm. Relative to the waypoint you can see if you have dragged as little as 5 or 10 feet. You can be proactive then and not reactive because you have already dragged 50+ feet and are on the move! I go back to bed and sleep easier during a windy night knowing with 100% certainty the anchor has not dragged even 5 feet since we dropped it.
We actually do that. Lyn tracks our movement on a chart plotter on her tablet which she takes to bed. It doesn't have an alarm but she glances at it through the night. This was just an occasion when everything went wrong at once. We have since added more redundancy. Specifically, using our AIS system with an alarms in addition to our anchor alarms.
We do have them. It might not have been shown in the video but they went off just as we were noticing that we were listing. I now have secondary bilge alarms that are sent to my phone as well, in case I am not at the boat.
I would suggest putting a switch in line for that extra speaker for those times when you DON'T need it down below. Say for those times when one of you are up and the other is taking a snooze.
@@kevinmccann938 True enough, I was also thinking about a pair of 3-way light switches so it could be activated from below decks or at the helm. Maybe with a "pilot light" of sorts to let you know when it's OFF would help. I guess putting up with the noise would be better though.
My wife suggested that rather than going through the hassle of running wires from the AIS in the bridge to a speaker, get a wireless baby monitor, base unit on the bridge, and take the handset wherever you are.
First of all, good emergency management…Aviate, navigate, investigate, mitigate. Great to have crew to assist Captain. If it wasn’t a Hatteras, leak might have been much greater. I am thinking , as you are, there was a previous incident/repair. Hatteras put so much fiberglas in the hulls and overbuilt where joints occurred, I am surprised this limited contact would open a glassed seam inside the hull. I am on my 2nd Hatt for a total of 12 years….love ‘em! Oh, I always snorkel my anchor set in Bahamas in a windward anchor position.
Thanks. We dived the anchor at every anchorage for the rest of the trip! I think this sea chest might have been an add-on. It was not glassed in, like the other two. And it really only handled the aft bilge and a shower sump (until I added a self-contained AC Unit.
Your GPS being shut off on your phone is a setting you can change. It's to save the battery. You should be able to shut it off or at least shut it off for that app
I was hoping you would not say that the Windless Control Panel failed. ( I did predict that the windless control panel failed about a year or more ago I am still checking mail box every day) Great repair and I really appreciate your objective overview of what happened. Great job guys!😀🛫
Danforth and Fortress anchors work fine for the Bahamas. But you have to be aware of the ocean bottom you anchor on. Only anchor in deep sand. I've used a fortresses anchor through several Bahama hurricanes without any problems. Its all about anchoring in the right bottom conditions.
Our Fortress did us fine for several years in the Bahamas but many of the places we anchor in now do not have the best conditions for it. We love the new Mantus 2 we are using now.
The Android version of WatchMate app (Vesper's app ... connected to your Vesper AIS via WiFi) has a great anchor alarm. It's our primary since it uses the AIS's GPS which is above deck with a 'clear' view of the sky. We use another app (which utilizes the phone's GPS) as a back up, but it losses GPS from time to time and will sound a Loss of GPS alarm that's sort of a bummer when you're trying to sleep.
Hatteras must have changed the design before they made my 63'. On mine, the drain lines go to a multi-inlet manifold with individual hose barbs, then an elbow to a traditional above the waterline through hull.
While in college studying for my pilot's license, I took an aircraft accident course and the one thing all aviation accidents have in common is that it's almost never just one event that leads to an accident, but rather it's a series of small events, and complacency is almost always a factor, just as Ed admitted, great video breakdown!
Agreed! Specially in aircraft maintenance! It’s NEVER a singular event that leads to catastrophe. Thankfully during My 20 years of service I was never a cause. If I ever felt something was moving too fast or things were being assumed we started from scratch and did it again slow and steady until all boxes and paperwork were done correctly.
I agree. It took many different small events/mistakes for this to happen. Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching!
You 2 are so down to earth and such an enjoyment to watch, thanks for sharing and explaining the real life events of living aboard a yacht, good luck and looking forward to the next video.
Glad pretty boat ok......OUTSTANDING
A couple of things in this video really stand out for me. First, I was impressed by your post problem analysis. You didn’t shy away from accepting responsibility for things that you could have done better and will do differently next time. Your analytical approach maximizes the learning potential from any challenge. Second, it’s encouraging to see you always willing to roll up your sleeves and tackle a boat problem or project. Thanks for making and sharing your videos. I’m a sailboater, but I definitely enjoy watching your channel.
Thanks. I appreciate your comments. We try to keep our videos as real as possible, and sometimes that means admitting our mistakes. The "rolling up the sleeves" part is because I am cheap! 😁 Actually it is a necessity when doing the type of boating that we do. There is not always someone there to help.
We love our Mantus anchor for the Bahamas. And the anchor you show LOOKS small for your boat. And also should discuss how much CHAIN you have out. Much of the hold comes from the rode.
It is on our short list for a new anchor. Ultra, Rockna and Mantis. Lyn prefers the Ultra. We let out 9-1 that night, all chain.
Thanks for going over what went wrong. I'm going to take your hard earned lessons and make a some changes to what we do when anchoring out.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the update and the thoroughly honest review. The best lessons are those learned by others misfortunes. All your viewers including myself will be better prepared because of this video. Thanks for taking the time.
I appreciate that! Thanks.
Your lessons learned are now our lessons learned. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
You all did well as so many things going wrong at once is rare, but on the water, can eventually happen. You kept your cool and figured it out. One thing, my Riva 50’ came with a SS Danforth anchor worth $8,000. I immediately put it in storage and bought a 30kg Mantus for $800 at the time. Best anchor I ever had and have used it in sand, clay, mud, and even grass. The thing digs in and resets like no other anchor I’ve ever used, except maybe an Ultra. Worth every penny.
Thanks for the info. We have it narrowed down to Mantis, Ultra and Rockna.
@@tryingnottosink9107 all 3 are great anchors. I think my Mantus resets better than my Rocna did, and is about the same as the Ultra, but 1/3 the price unless you go SS.
Great job saving the boat and your decisions! We always do the What we did Right and What we did wrong after an event!
We also switched our danforth anchor out for a Manson Supreme and have never had a problem!
Fair winds
S/V Anam Cara Alan & Eileen
Thanks. We are in the process of purchasing a new anchor. It looks like we will be going with a Mantus.
Good after action review and candor. We can learn from your experience.
Thanks!
So happy you found and repaired the the leak
I probably don't have to say this but double clamp every through hull
Its a really nice interior in that boat. Looks so cosy and like a home living room.
Thanks!
wow great story, glad all is well ... appreciate the videos !!... I'm learning a bunch from you guys !! -- TY
Glad you like them!
Great learning points 👍
Glad you think so!
Great video! Thanks for the explanation and the things to worry about using that anchor drag app!
Glad it was helpful!
Mantus M1 for sure. I have a 105lb on my 53 Carver.
God bless you guys. Us mortals learn so much from your experience. Really appreciate your humility and candor.
Thanks! We are glad you like the videos. We try to be educational when we can.
Good on you guys for sorting it all out.
Thanks!
As for your anchor choice…it’s like asking a truck buyer if they are a ford or Chevy guy…they can’t see beyond their own opinion…we had you same dilemma before our 7 week Bahama trip last spring. Rocna and Mantus seemed to be the Chevy/Ford. We bought a M1 Mantus one size larger than our boy needed. We had many 30mph nights in the Bahamas on our trip…pretty sure we didn’t move an inch.
I agree. Both would be much better that the CQR we are using now and lightyears better than the Fortress in the Bahamas. I'm a Chevy guy, by the way.
@@tryingnottosink9107 ha…I am a ford guy…so u better get the Rocna…lol. As u pointed out…it’s all about what the bottom material is to define the best anchor…from what I saw, you can go wrong with either
Look at the line of Mantus anchors before you buy. Highly recommended
It is on our short list for a new anchor. Ultra, Rockna and Mantis. Lyn prefers the Ultra.
Blueberry Martini Lyn? Sweet choice!
Incredible!! well look forward to next video be safe!!!! CHEERS!!!
Thanks!
Ed and Lynn,
I am so happy that all is well for you'all.,
you just never can anticipate everything.
Remember though,
"Its better in the Bahamas"
Cheers,
Rik Spector
That's for sure. Cheers!
Just viewed a tour of a 68 foot Princess.........yours for 2.4 Mil. !!!
WOW! A lot to be taken in and learned! Really appreciate the break down of what happened .
Thanks. Glad you liked the video.
Glad you figured it all out and repaired it... Cheers! 🍸🍹🍸🥂👍
Thanks!
Very interesting videos you have. Hello from Arizona City, Az.
Glad you like them!
We use a Mantus also, never had any problems and sets very fast. We also have a rocna, its a great anchor but the mantus is better because of the fast set. If you put them side by side on the dock you can see why. The Main reason the mantus sets faster is the angle of the shank.
That is interesting. We are considering both of those anchors and plan to buy one at the Annapolis Boat Show.
@@tryingnottosink9107 my Rocna is a heavy anchor, but my go to is the 10 lb less Mantus . We cruise West Florida ( Destin area ) sandy bottom. As you know when buying your new Anchor over sizing is a great idea if it fits on your bow. I would recommend 2 sizes larger then the anchor calls for on the size of your boat. Cheers
Lynn, love the matching martini and top. Sorry for the degeneration, but thankful you guys are ok and solved the mystery. Great problem solving skills under duress. We all should learn from you success. Many thanks.
Thanks so much! She always dresses for the drink! 😁
I'm glad you all are ok and found the problem. No one's perfect my friend your only human , you all did a great job on making sure you didn't sink and every one was safe. Again you have a amazing channel and I've enjoyed all your videos since you started out from the beginning, I don't miss any of your videos . See ya on your next adventure have a great night 🙋👻
Thanks so much. It was certainly a learning experience for us. New video coming out this afternoon!
I have watched your vLogs for some time now. I just (Aug 2024) bought a late 1980s 70 Hatteras CMY in FL. It is my intention to mimic much of the traveling you have been doing these last 5-6-7- years. I sooooooo enjoy your videos like this one where you talk about what has gone wrong and your diagnosis and fix. Especially for a Hatteras! I look forward to crossing paths with you some day in the future!
Safe steaming and following seas (well, with a Hatt, maybe. IF you have stabilizers...)
Life is a learning experience. I like how you all take to time to dissect the accident and learn what all had to go wrong to make this happen. That is the best way to prevent it in the future. Hey at least you haven't sunk yet. :)
Trying not to sink is our main objective!😁
thanks for the in depth interview
You are welcome.
Talk about learning through experience! Cool to see the follow-up so we could see how things played out.
And that was a reasonable Roger Out @ 10:57. Under the circumstances of duress, I'll take it. I will say, however, the very end of this episode might have been the perfect opportunity for a closing Roger Out. Just saying.
Roger that!
Lyn your comments are priceless and add something light hearted - in serious circumstances - those attached to hull sea chests are a pain should be integral to the hull - that wiring near the prop shaft coupling also may require attention - love your work Regards
Yeah, I need to work on that wiring. It's on the list. On new Hatteras' they just made a PVC manifold on the inside and had a regular through hull. I like that idea much better.
Mantus Anchor over any others. Also increase your chain length. For all of your anchorage you should be chain and a bridle. Look at Mantus swivel too
We set out 9-1 rode, all chain. It should have been sufficient. We are looking at the Mantus and the Rockna.
Good analysis and debrief. I find value in learning from you and other boaters.
I appreciate that!
Just glad you're safe and that the damage was minimal.
Thanks. It could have been a lot worse.
Wow, amazing how all those things needed to line up for this to happen. Some good changes will come from this one incident. Glad it wasn’t worse. Thanks for the learning experience! Maybe we’ll run into to you guys in Titusville. I occasionally smoke cigars at the Leaf too. We live in the area and have used that boat ramp many times.
It is amazing! We have been to the Leaf a couple times. The whiskey bar as well.
Maybe I wouldn't use the words RUN INTO, for awhile.... LOL
Physically speaking those captains bars get heavy at times like this. Due diligence observed and commendable. Outstanding job diagnosing practically instantly. Thank you for sharing. This navy vet appreciates that.
Always exciting! Thanks for watching!
Been watching for a while. Ever since your carver. Nearing retirement now and looking forward to the loop cruise. Hopefully our wake crosses.
You know what I love about this video and you guys, Is how real you are. We’ve been on the boat for 40 years of various sizes and had all kinds of troubles. I love the fact that you expose it review with that wrong and make sure you analyze and correct. Our goal is to get our smaller boat sold and we are upgrading to some thing similar to you so that we can do a little more travel on the water. Hope to see you out there and safe travels. Awesome job
Thanks. We try to be as real as possible. See you on the water!
In the perfect world , nothing ever goes wrong and you never make mistakes .
Definitely not the world I live in!
Very informative, great follow-up video. Don’t beat yourselves up too much, and enjoy the Basil Hayden’s 😂
We always bounce back. I don't worry about things like this. Boats are safe in harbor but that is not what boats are meant to do.
Well there's a Saying and in this case so many possible causes the Words are Shit HAPPENDS I Think you need StarLink on the Boat always have GPS then expensive but cheaper that the repairs to a boat Im Just Happy All on Board are safe and no one Hurt On Wards and Up wards all a Leaning Curve Great Vlog thanks
It was definitely a learning experience! We have several GPS antennas on the boat and are now using our AIS as the main anchor alarm.
Excellent content and greatly appreciate the list of what went wrong…
Glad you enjoyed it!
A few tips using fibre glass matting and epoxy resin 1. NEVER use more mekp hardener than is needed and ALWAYS keep the mixing cup with the excess after use somewhere it wont matter if it self combusts (it happens) 2. Fray the ends of the fibreglass matting before applying it makes a stonger bond as there is not a simple straight line where it could crack 3. the mating surfaces have to be clean and COMPLETELY DRY otherwise it wont cure properly and cause issues later. You did right by sanding it before hand. i find when laying up matting i cut the brush bristles down maybe in half so its slightly more rigid when tamping the matting down.
Thanks for the tips.
Fyi....mek won't work with epoxy resin...its used with polyester resin.
Also the forteress anchor is a back up anchor not to be a main.
It is now our backup anchor.
May be in the settings for the app there is something that you could say keep the GPS on at all times?
The main thing is you are all OK and the boat is still afloat. interesting video 2x👍
Yep, the crew comes first, but glad the boat was not harmed. Just superficial damage.
There should be some wireless set up to monitor alarm sounds(wireless sound alarm, a child monitor,etc.... so you dont have to run line. Also a bilge alarm would be beneficial or tilt/list alarm. I would think for that chest to separate there might be some flex which could cause some worry on the exterior. I know they are built like a tank but it did have to flex to make that crack. Be safe and what a life!
We are looking into various different ways to set up anchor alarms, wired and wireless. We have a bilge alarm but I am adding backups as well.
My dad and I were caught in a storm on the Chesapeake when the bottom of the boat split open. Dad disconnected the engine from the closed sea chest and used the engine as a bulge pump to forestall floundering. You always have to be prepared--damage control.
Wow, Ed! If this isn't a prime example of the need for redundancy of systems, I don't know what is! Thanks for passing along your plans to use AIS as the main anchor alarm and relegate the phone app to backup status. That one's going right into my SOP for Concorde. Glad all worked out, all is well, and things are shipshape and Bristol fashion on Triton. Fair winds and calm seas man!
It was definitely a learning experience!
Glad you're all ok.
Thanks!
Love your videos good stuff y’all are living the life, I’m from Fayetteville NC be blessed be safe
Thanks for watching!
I AM SO HAPPY IT IS OK. MAY THE WIND BE WITH YOU.✌✌✌🏁🏁🏁🏁
Thanks!!!
the stars lined up just about right for all that to happen ,glad to see that you and your boat are okay.good video
It is amazing how many things had to go wrong!
Hey Ed and Lyn! So sorry that happened to you guys, glad your okay! You could use an audio baby monitor in the bridge and your room to hear the alarm as a temporary fix until you wire it down to you room. Love your toddler parent fans lol
That's a great idea! We won't be anchoring again until next spring.
I mounted a small GPS chart plotter next to my bed. I set it on track (trace?) mode so it shows the past movements of the boat. While sleeping, I would occasionally open my eyes and glance at the screen. This would only take a second and it was very comforting to see that everything was ok. (I also have two anchor alarms).
That is what Lyn does, usually, but not that night. She keeps a tablet on her nightstand.
I use a program called Anchor Lite as I did not pay for the premium. It is really a pain in the butt in a different way. If you do not have that app as the primary open screen, the display will go blank. When this happens, the phone will also turn off GPS and the alarm goes off whenever the signal is lost. Took me a while to figure out and now having this on a tablet and a phone, both plugged in with the screens dimmed. My Axiom also has an alarm, but like your equipment, it is on the bridge.
I discussed the problems with anchoring in Nassau in my last comment, so beware. I have the feeling these videos are a couple of months behind though.
I hope you have some luck with that CQR, but I have heard they are not great. The 33lb Bruce anchor worked great in mud and sand with zero problems for us in Florida. It does not do good on a hard bottom though. I changed it over to a 44lb Danforth after the Nassau snafus and had minimal problems with it. Sometimes in the turtle grass, it rips a ball off the bottom and now you are just dragging a soft grass ball around. I usually try to find a sand hole to drop the anchor in. Also, when the wind is blowing toward the island, I like to stay a couple of miles off Shore.
I must say though, that anchoring seems to be the trickiest part of boating so far, but we got pretty good at it fast.
Also, save my name and if ever in the Charleston Area when I am at home, I would be happy to assist in parts or grocery runs. This we found to be about the second hardest thing to accomplish, especially when there are just no dinghy docks near anything. Glad everything turned out alright. Charleston I just such an area. This invitation goes out to anybody on a boat in the area also. I go down to the boat every couple of days, so it is not really a problem and I love meeting new people.
That is the app we use. However, the alarm did not go off when it lost signal. I don't know why, other than them telling us it must be the primary app. In any case, we are using the Vesper AIS in the future and the app as backup.
This video was very interesting and educational. A nice follow-up to the last. This type of boating is not for the casual boater. Lot's of learning, planning, research, training, experience, etc., are needed. Start slow and build your way up to these types of adventures should be one of the lessons for your viewers. Glad you are safe! Safe cruising!
I agree. We are five years in and still have so much to learn.
Captain! You did a great job! I love you both. I hope for my girl and I to meet you one day. We spent over a month in the Bahamas on our 51’ and created many memories like you guys. Our boat is named Triton as well.
Sounds good. Where is your home port?
I applaud you as usual for doing your on trouble shooting and repairs. If I had to pay someone to maintain my boat I could not afford my boat!
You said you had to move your hot water heater! Why do you need to heat hot water? I have a cold water heater🤣🛫
Our water heater is very attractive! 😁
If I ever decide to buy a Hatteras I’m going to make you an offer . Your boat is pre-disastered and I know where the repairs are !
Whomever buy this boat next will have the most thorough breakdown of anything that could possibly be wrong. Our videos are better than a survey!
Awesome
Great video! Always good to critique ones self and what happened. We all learn from our mistakes and timing. Love you guys!
Yes! Thank you!
Every boat, no matter how big or small or how expensive, the moment it's put into the water it starts to sink. Some just take a little longer!!!!
The Rocha Vulcan is an outstanding anchor. We have been using the 73# version for over a year and have never dragged in our 30,000# 42’ Navigator, while cruising the Great Loop. 240’ all chain rode w/HiTest Stainless swivel.
Thanks for the input. That is how we are leaning.
When we're anchored out we routinely rotate anchor watch. Someone is ALWAYS up. (along with crew of 2)
Love the Martini Glasses!!!!! I'm a Belvedere fan....what's yours?
Kettle One. Cheers!
Been going to bahamas for over 40 years I always dive on my anchor to make sure it's set,I drug anchor once when I anchored at midnight and didn't dive on it to check it.
We often dive the anchor. The water was cloudy this time but we probably should have tried anyway.
@@tryingnottosink9107 yeah I drug at Great Stirrup, guess it's called something else now, cruise ship island, lol
Great show folks try a mantis that will be the best anchor you ever had
It is on our short list.
AARRRR! scuppers then???
Good analysis, but unless I missed you saying it, the single biggest factor is that you did not have nearly enough rode out if you dragged at all. You shouldn’t rely of the anchor to hold the boat, the weight of the 7 to 1 rode (10 to 1 in foul weather) will make for a proper hold.
We had 9 to 1 rode out. I always go a bit longer than needed, unless it is a small area. The weather was supposed to be good, or a would have gone 10 to 1 or more. Plus, we are all chain.
@@tryingnottosink9107 If you had 9 to 1 all chain rode out and still dragged, then it is either the wrong Anchor/Chain combo for your tonnage, or that the calculation of depth (sea bottom to bow pulpit…some people just look at the depth finder figure) was somehow inaccurate or miscalculated. Not trying to criticize, just trying to figure out so it doesn’t happen again. 9 to 1 all chain would hold in almost any conditions.
@@jonathanweiss3545 it was likely some combo of poor bottom (grassy?) and a light weight (aluminum) fortress anchor. Fortress anchors are great as day anchors in sand or mud (you can adjust the fluke angle from 32deg (sand) to 45deg (mud) before you release it and set it. If you have heavy (say 3/8ths inch or bigger) chain, more scope helps obviously. But if a gusty wind shift or strong tide change comes in the night, modern anchors (Mantis or Rocna) have proven enhanced ability to reset themselves.
Very interesting video and it's informative too. By the way I love your nails Lyn.
Thanks!
Summer island weather is convective; forecasts can't be specific to a discrete location. Consider carefully at how you link that 'new' anchor to your chain rode; lots of bad choices being marketed. What and how do you set up your anchor rode's snubber? Better shock absorption that night might have delayed or avoided dragging. Glad it turned out OK.
We will be shopping for anchors and swivels at the Annapolis Boat Show. We use a snubber every time we anchor. Runs from the two bow cleats.
Lekker man lekker 🇿🇦
Why would you want to heat hot water? See, I am paying attention! It is more commonly called a Water Heater! Thanks for the videos!
yep, it's actually a cold water heater,
Our water is very attractive!!!😁
WOWSER, couldn't wait to see what had happened . By gosh you got stuck into that problem and kicked its backside. A very well deserved few drams. Terrifically well handled.
Good information, I'm looking at adding 1-3 seachests during my overhaul over the next 3-5tears. I didn't really understand how a Seachest worked. Thanx a bunch.
Danforth anchors (I have a #35# that is my backup) can let go. My primary is a 75# plow (CQR) for a "82 Carver 3607.
We are currently using a CQR but plan to get another anchor this fall.
Hatteras yachts are like tanks. That must’ve been some impact if it did that kind of damage happened. I’d be willing to bet that if you guys were on another boat that it would’ve sunk. Glad everyone is safe and the boat made it out alive. Triton was looking out for you guys! 🔱
Yes, they are solid boats. All we had were scratches. We already painted over them (in a future video).
Oh Lynn don’t let your hubby see this but❤️
Too late!
great video and honest evaluation. I'm not nearly as experienced as you folks are but my vote is to go to the Manson Supreme at least one size larger , maybe 2 sizes up based on your vessels weight than your boats recommended size. Those seem to be the go to for many cruisers and I had one on my small cabin cruiser and that thing set and held every single time I used it.
We plan to go anchor shopping at the Annapolis Boat Show. Thanks for watching!
Glad you guys are aok. Lynn..... ice cubes in the martini?
It wasn't a martini. Vodka and energy drink I believe.
Sounds like Uncle Murphy (Murphy's Law) was running rampant that night. Nice that you are so willing to discuss everything that occurred so others may not make encounter the same situations.
Amazing how many things needed to go wrong for that to happen!
Hi Ed, We have two anchors on board. We navigate waterways with lots of weeds and vegetation and we also boat in the Thousand Islands (st Lawrence) where we have a lot of sandy bottoms. Our Danforth is worthless in weeds, it just skims on top, great in the sand. In weeds, we use our Plow anchor which just dives right to the bottom and digs in. Hope there is not to much glass damage.
We are using our CQR anchor now with the Danforth as our backup, ICW anchor. We plan to purchase another anchor at the boat show. Glass damage was not bad at all considering. I show it in a future video.
When you set your anchor and pull the chain tight, zoom the scale on your chart plotter and drop a waypoint just off the stern of your boat. The resolution and precision of this waypoint is the most accurate indicator if your anchor is dragging. As the night progresses and you feel a strong gust of wind, look at your position relative to that waypoint (or an arc from the waypoint if wind shifted). This is much more accurate than land references and is an earlier indicator than say a 150 foot circle of the anchor alarm. Relative to the waypoint you can see if you have dragged as little as 5 or 10 feet. You can be proactive then and not reactive because you have already dragged 50+ feet and are on the move! I go back to bed and sleep easier during a windy night knowing with 100% certainty the anchor has not dragged even 5 feet since we dropped it.
We actually do that. Lyn tracks our movement on a chart plotter on her tablet which she takes to bed. It doesn't have an alarm but she glances at it through the night. This was just an occasion when everything went wrong at once. We have since added more redundancy. Specifically, using our AIS system with an alarms in addition to our anchor alarms.
You need bilge alarms to alert you to high water in the bilges!!!
Im surprised you don't have them now!!
We do have them. It might not have been shown in the video but they went off just as we were noticing that we were listing. I now have secondary bilge alarms that are sent to my phone as well, in case I am not at the boat.
I would suggest putting a switch in line for that extra speaker for those times when you DON'T need it down below. Say for those times when one of you are up and the other is taking a snooze.
Nope, why, because you may forget to put it back on.
@@kevinmccann938 True enough, I was also thinking about a pair of 3-way light switches so it could be activated from below decks or at the helm. Maybe with a "pilot light" of sorts to let you know when it's OFF would help. I guess putting up with the noise would be better though.
Thanks for the input. Running the speaker line is one of my winter projects, since we won't be anchoring again this year.
@@tryingnottosink9107 As Kevin McCann said though, forget about that switch, so you DON'T forget about it one evening as you're hitting the sack!
Maybe an aftermarket component added?
My wife suggested that rather than going through the hassle of running wires from the AIS in the bridge to a speaker, get a wireless baby monitor, base unit on the bridge, and take the handset wherever you are.
That would probably work well.
I thought about that on the last video because you didn't check if it was fresh or salt water. I love your trips and info you put on your channel
First of all, good emergency management…Aviate, navigate, investigate, mitigate. Great to have crew to assist Captain. If it wasn’t a Hatteras, leak might have been much greater. I am thinking , as you are, there was a previous incident/repair. Hatteras put so much fiberglas in the hulls and overbuilt where joints occurred, I am surprised this limited contact would open a glassed seam inside the hull. I am on my 2nd Hatt for a total of 12 years….love ‘em! Oh, I always snorkel my anchor set in Bahamas in a windward anchor position.
Thanks. We dived the anchor at every anchorage for the rest of the trip! I think this sea chest might have been an add-on. It was not glassed in, like the other two. And it really only handled the aft bilge and a shower sump (until I added a self-contained AC Unit.
Your GPS being shut off on your phone is a setting you can change. It's to save the battery. You should be able to shut it off or at least shut it off for that app
I spoke with the app people and they say I must keep the app open with the screen on. In any case we are adding additional alarms through AIS.
I was hoping you would not say that the Windless Control Panel failed. ( I did predict that the windless control panel failed about a year or more ago I am still checking mail box every day)
Great repair and I really appreciate your objective overview of what happened. Great job guys!😀🛫
Thanks. I appreciate that. Cheers!
Danforth and Fortress anchors work fine for the Bahamas. But you have to be aware of the ocean bottom you anchor on. Only anchor in deep sand. I've used a fortresses anchor through several Bahama hurricanes without any problems. Its all about anchoring in the right bottom conditions.
Our Fortress did us fine for several years in the Bahamas but many of the places we anchor in now do not have the best conditions for it. We love the new Mantus 2 we are using now.
I’ve been waiting to hear the outcome, every boat owners worst nightmare
Your watch mate app on your Vespa has an anchor alarm option that you can set up on your iPad. Just keep it plug in while sleeping Works great
That is what we plan to do from now on, in addition to the phone app.
The Android version of WatchMate app (Vesper's app ... connected to your Vesper AIS via WiFi) has a great anchor alarm. It's our primary since it uses the AIS's GPS which is above deck with a 'clear' view of the sky. We use another app (which utilizes the phone's GPS) as a back up, but it losses GPS from time to time and will sound a Loss of GPS alarm that's sort of a bummer when you're trying to sleep.
Sea chest! I thought they were collectors but like sea chest better..lol
I like sea chests better as well. D's are nice too! 😁
Hatteras must have changed the design before they made my 63'. On mine, the drain lines go to a multi-inlet manifold with individual hose barbs, then an elbow to a traditional above the waterline through hull.
We have a friend with a 63 and it is the same, a manifold. I like that design much better. I think they changed to that design in the 80s.