I'm glad they established and defined "Else-Worlds" as a brand and are going to clearly label the projects in that brand as such. It frees me as a fan to just enjoy it as a stand-alone project without trying to shoe-horn it into my head-cannon.
I am so glad that the "what it is it?" came back. That made my night. 🤣🤣🤣 I think you all are spot on about a hunger for something more hopeful (Ted Lasso-ish). I think this is why Everything Everywhere All at Once hit so hard, for me. Ke Huy Quan's character, Waymond, is such a shining example of the kind of kindness that feels out of place, but ultimately is exactly what is needed to save the day. I cry every time he talks about kindness.
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 Dont tell me ur one of those artards that want to #firejamesgunn... Birdbrain, for the first time in decades, we have someone with a passion for DC in charge... For the first time, we have someone who understands these characters and HES IN CHARGE. Why the f are u pessimistic? Use ur brain, slowpoke.
*sniff sniff* you smell that? Smells like an optimistic and hopeful discussion! It’s honestly so nice to feel excited for DC projects again. Even if there’s a lot of questions being left unanswered right now, I know it’ll come together and I can’t wait to see what they have for Chapter 2. Great job as always homies
My only concern is James Gunn practicing a little bit of nepotism. Replacing almost every actor and then confirming that Peacemaker actors stay doesn't sit right with me.
@@Serryy I don't know why this is a complaint before seeing the stories. All that matters is that the stories don't suffer and I don't think his wife played a character who didn't contribute greatly to the plot. Goodness... it's like folks are trying to find stuff
This is the only analysis I wanted to see on this stuff. I'm not even that big of a DC fan but there's some interesting stuff in there. I actually read Booster Gold, which is one of the few DC comics I actually bought back in the day.
Marvel has done some amazing things but it has also trained people to always look at what's next. So much now to the point that they can't enjoy the movie in front of them if there's no cameo or major hint at what's next. People say they won't go see Shazam because there is no future. What happened to just going to see a movie to entertain yourself for 2 hours. I've read many comments saying this DC slate is boring and that there was no mention of the big bad. Like c'mon this is chapter one, let it breathe. Watch a movie first before saying everything is trash. Live in optimism not pessimism for once people.
I am so excited for The Authority and I am already starting to fancast. It's going to be very The Boys-esque without the parody, and so very very messy, but I loved how obnoxious the team was with each other. I *NEVER* thought I'd get to see Shen on ANY screen, but we'll get the entire team? Will we get Jenny Sparks or Jenny Quarx/Quantum? FYI - The Engineer is going to be full CGI for a lot of it, but I can't wait to hear who they get for Angela Spica! I... think David Tennant should be The Doctor just because it would be HILARIOUS. Also, I can't wait for Paradise Lost - the armor, the fighting, the threats. It's going to be so cut throat.
Here I am, looking forward to a Superman film. It's been too long! I'm even looking forward to the last few not quite-DCU films more as well? Optimism is infectious
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 And Christopher Reeve was Superman. An actually optimistic Superman who also pulled off the public Clark Kent persona perfectly at that. Henry Cavill was wasted potential for far too long and it’s time to move on.
I'm glad the DC fans are getting what seems like a properly thought out series of stories across all media. I am not a DC fan, or a superhero fan at all, so I have no dog in this fight. I just like that James Gunn (and presumably Peter Safran) are clear-headed as they shape this universe, instead of flying by the seat of their tights.
1:10:00; LOL! Ppl just need to be patient pls and let Gunn/Safran cook! Looking forward to Lanterns, Paradise Lost & Waller on the TV side, and curious as to what both a written & likely directed James Gunn Superman movie & James Mangold Swamp Thing movie looks like! The specific writers/directors selected for each of these 10 projects will be crucial! My order of preference; 1) Lanterns 2) Paradise Lost 3) Superman Legacy 4) Swamp Thing 5) Waller 6) Batman: Bold and the Brave 7) Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow 8) Booster Gold 9) The Authority 10) Creature Commandos
Blue Beetle needs live screen time & I cannot wait to see it plus the actors in it are spot on! Very excited for that project & hope Blue Beetle gets the love he deserves to finally have a story on screen. I am ready for a live action Teen Titans!!
Lanterns has my excitement level through the roof, A HBO show in the style of True Detective with a Sci-Fi Element that's a Major Win for me. Exciting times for DC Fans.
Green Lantern the Animated Series is absolutely incredible. Since the show got canceled, they split up the conclusion in 2 episodes of different shows. Justice League Action had an episode called "Barehanded" that tells you what happened to one of the main characters. And an episode of Young Justice called "Encounter Upon the Razor's Edge" tells you what happened to another main character
To echo what you guys have said, this slate presentation has boosted my excitement their TV/Film stuff but also to read more of the comics. As a lifelong DC Comics fan…these last few years have been tough. For the first time in a long time…it feels like they have a clear plan and direction for where they wanna go and what they wanna do. I am going to dig into the comics that are the inspiration for these upcoming project. S/O to James Gunn/Peter Safran and they’re whole crew. Let’s go! #DCU
Always a good time listening to you guys' thoughts on upcoming film slates, haha. You always get so pumped and that just gets me pumped. More than anything I'm looking forward to the Superfamily films-- love me some kryptonians. Love that Gunn just seems to get it, with Damien, with Kara, etc. He knows the source material, and that more than anything gives me hope for the future. As a DC fan, all of this news just makes me unbelievably happy.
Tyler Hoechlin's portrayal is what finally made me invested in Superman and now I am totally invested in the future of the character. Also excited for Paradise Lost and of course the live action Bat Family. Great discussion guys!
I'm so excited at the idea of the Superman movie outright tackling the fact that he's old fashioned. It sounds a lot like Action 775/Superman vs. The Elite, which is brilliant. Also pretty obvious that his look and characterization will be very All-Star, which is also great news. God I'm stoked for this.
I was definitely waiting for this discussion all day Tuesday and yesterday, and it delivered as usual! Loved what you guys said about getting excited to read DC again. Proof of that is several of the books mentioned, including Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow sold out THAT DAY on Amazon. I definitely pulled my All-Star Superman off the shelf for a re-read. Looking forward to your insight as these projects start to see the light of day! Cheers!
The Judi Dench in Casino Royale example is a good one. If The Flash properly establishes that a DC universe exists where all the actors, new and/or old have known each other since the beginning, they can just carry on as if they have known each other. There's definitely no more need to do origin stories or first meet up type movies either.
"Space Cops" is what I've been screaming for on the internet when it comes to Green Lantern. Any time I've been asked to make a pitch or come up with a concept, I've always said "It needs to be Law & Order in space." It just makes TOO MUCH sense.
Keep all of this content coming, homies! Agustin put it perfectly, there's just that little remnant of the previous run that just won't let go and can't get rid of. The added experience about Agustin's interactions with the "fandom" just made it even more clear about the baggage that comes with that. I am also with Adam on Superman Legacy being the make-it-or-break-it project that will define the James Gunn era. Side note, I think James Gunn is not going to "fire" his wife (from Suicide Squad and Peacemaker) so that means those franchises are going to be part of the new DCU? Finally, PEDRO PASCAL as Batman!? OMG YES!!! Perfect choice!
Jensen Ackles as Batman is the perfect casting. He’s 44. He voiced Batman in long Halloween AND in the upcoming new animated film. And to get Ben affleck to direct?! COME ON!
Recasting isn't a big deal, Marvel has done it and is doing it in the new Ant-Man movie coming out soon. I'm half certain they're only doing the whole Flashpoint thing so they can simultaneously ignore most of the DCEU stuff while keeping Peace Maker and The Suicide Squad. Also the Flashpoint aspect may have already been in place before James/Peter so they're taking advantage of what they have available to them.
Hotshot the problem is that Gunn is wrong what his trying to do ( picking his own old actors for peacemaker & TSS ) there are other actors from old DCEU we want in DCU example Gal Gadot her first movie made over 840M already she has a second movie, Mamoa his movie made over 1 B and his having a coming second movie ) how can they let go of them while they accept Viola Davis to stay,they are going to lose the fan base
@@michaelkaggwa4915No you do not want Gal Gadot. She might look like Wonder Woman but shes a horrible actor. Shes the woman version of Arnold Schwarzenegger. No acting skills but her looks get her roles
Hi guys, big fan of the channel, Adam that DC slate titles graphic u did is very impressive, still surprised WB/DC and Gunn didnt do one, they cheaped out on this..I have seen a few people making them online but they are not great..Yours is spectacular, got it off reddit..i think DC should contact u to work with when they next do a comic con presentation or something👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👌
As soon as you guys mentioned Sinestro, it got me thinking. What if the thing Hal and John uncover is Sinestro's corrupt ways and possible corruption of other GLC officers? We already know that Sinestro when he was in the Corps was a dirty cop.
First time in years I’ve been excited for DC stuff. Every step they take away from Snyder is an exponential increase in my own hype level. Nothing but faith in James Gunn, and I’m particularly excited to see Tom King stories being centered. This is gonna be great.
I see a rated R version of The Authority, an established team, eventually being the inspiration for the formation of the Justice League. Heroes that know of the Authority, but want to form a team the takes more of a moral high ground.
Great discussion guys as always! I need to ask... Will you ever release the rest of the watchalong for Superman and Lois on RUclips? I could never afford Patreon, could only support by tuning in here...
I'm very excited for everything James Gunn announced. But the stuff I'm looking forward to the most is The Lanterns, Paradise Lost and Swamp Thing. Gimme gimme gimme! 👏 I got goosebumps with his descriptions of everything.
Cautiously optimistic for this. As you mentioned, Adam, Superman must stick the landing for me as well. He's my favorite DC character and gold standard, so this new iteration has to earn my trust. 🤞
I'm really interested to see how James Gunn is going to operate with other directors. He's clearly more directly involved with some projects while being half of the Kevin Feige of DC. I hope he learned a lot about working with Feige and can iterate on what he experienced so he is less restrictive with creatives while still keeping things cohesive. After Superman hopefully proves the new status quo is worthwhile, I think that's going to be the next big test.
What I’m hoping for is Lanterns is like a southland. You start off with Hal being vet assigned a new Partner John. Preferably after a Senistro betrayal. So you get see Hal be the mentor he never had. Also John being new on the field(space).
I’m 100% with Adam on Brave and the Bold, the Bat Family completely changes the context for who Batman is and by jumping in with the newest member of that family we’re missing out on so many important moments and major character arcs Think about it, depending on what they do with the timeline this Batman will have: Already raised two sons, had one grow up and move out and lost the other one to his archenemy, have what is essentially his niece be crippled by the same archenemy, adopted a mute daughter and potentially had to deal with the resurrection of one of his sons who now hates him ALL OFFSCREEN
It has to be that none of them existed. Damian the only one. Otherwise Batman goes from young 30’s into at least 40’s and then he’s 15-20 yrs older than Superman. Are fans gonna go at Gunn now like they did to Snyder over Dick Grayson? Uggh comic fans are the worst.
@@kaisa8204 but if you’re going to do all that then why start here? There are SO MANY other Batman movies or shows you’d have to make to explore all that stuff in retrospect that you’re not saving time you’re just confusing people
@@jonasquinn7977 Same reason New52 Batman comic just started in the present and eventually filled in the five years since Batman's origin that we didn't technically see.
@@bestlexluthor7596 Batman: The Animated Series established that Batman was active for at least ten years before Superman showed up in Metropolis. It's fine. Relax.
Guys, there is also the fact that they want these 2023 movies to make money. No way would they say that those characters are done right now. It makes no sense to destroy what interest is left in Flash, Shazam and Aquaman. These characters are done. We will hear about the reboot of Flash after the 2023 movies are done. I also think Mamoa is Lobo, too much clues there for it to not be a thing.
Stuff I'm gonna read soon - given Tom King is on the brain trust and Gunn has specifically referenced these two in the last year or so as being great: his Mr Miracle and Strange Adventures. Loved this whole show guys, hopefully lots to dig into and get excited for over the next few years!
Just like you guys this has me pretty stoked to dip back into the comics. I kinda dropped off when Rebirth happened, read some of the Tom King batman, but not much else. Not because it wasn't good, but just because I felt a bit overwhelmed with just how much there was to catch up on I stopped trying. But 100% I will be heading out to get a copy of Supergirl Woman Of Tomorrow. And, like you guys said, if Swamp Thing leans into a Green/Red/The Rot scenario and we get some Animal Man that borrows from that Jeff Lemire/Travel Foreman run I will be so excited!
Give me that Lanterns goodness AHHHHHHHH. The fact that also Brave and the Bold will potentially have an established Bat-family has me hoping for an EVENTUAL like....solo Nightwing movie or Titans movie. GIVE IT TO MEEEEEEEE
before i go into it, thanks guys, for a balanced and completely groovified breakdown of the Slate [also, Master Hector, i'm 41 ... i have no idea what that means, iChuckle. thinking about the end of the 2020s low-key freaks me out] there is one thing that's been nagging me since the day Sirs James and Peter got hired and [bear with me], it's Zaslav. WB has in recent memory, felt chaotic when it came to DC, i admit that. and i admit that everyone should be given a fair chance. but the decisions and statements that WBD CEO Zaslav have made and said, does not fill me with joy. so i'm wondering how MUCH of James and Peter's vision will see the full light of day. Zaslav gives me Perlmutter vibes. Feige could've gone around Perlmutter to get the job done. James and Peter still [i suspect] need to report to Zaslav. so while i feel excited for Chapter One and all that it could bring, that one thought lingers. be well.
The variety of this slate is what gets me, every project could have a different tone and feel to it, Swamp Thing and Booster Gold probably being polar opposites. So exciting!
OK, going wayyyy out on a limb here but with Paradise Lost giving us a link to the past, Booster Gold giving us a link to the future and Lanterns exploring a "terrifying mystery" in the present, I’m just going to go ahead and predict that the overarching big bad for the DCU will be… MORDRU From Wikipedia: Considered among the most prominent members of the Lords of Chaos, the character is typically depicted as being an adversary of several teams and characters, including the Justice Society of America, Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld, Doctor Fate, Justice League Dark and his primary enemies, the Legion of Super-Heroes. A parasitic-like cosmic entity, the character is depicted as being among the most powerful magic users in the DC Universe and a would-be conqueror, often working to increase his already overwhelming power to control all of existence.
Mordu…… that makes sense as also swamp thing protects the tree of life in the JL dark rebirth comics. So JL dark will happen in the future and mordu does make an appearance. I would love to see mordu
Doing Lanterns as a television show is the best way to slowly introduce the lore and complexity of the Green Lantern Corp to the general audience. Keeping it terrestrial based and saving the epic space opera for the big screen is the best way to do it.
Actors changing/not changing doesn’t bother me. MCU changed hulk and war machine and switched actors without issue. I’m excited for this slate. Love you guys!
Yes, But a clean slate to be fair means all new people cause if not your Shafting Cavill but keeping Ezra and Heard. No one had said Gal would be back right.
I think Heard is done for. There been reports that her runtime in the film was largely cut down plus she’s been in “hiding” after she was proven guilty. I doubt she’ll ever come back again.
Ringking 1978 its not a clean slate Viola Davis staying and i want more to stay example J Momoa and Gal Gadot there movies have made money for the company and if they let go of them they are going to lose fans including me
This was a great lineup for the DCFU. I need to pick up The Authority. Gal and Robert Pattinson is in the Elesworlds like Fox movies and Fox Searchlight movies. James Gunn said after the video there will not be the same actor playing a different character.
Maybe I'm a little off with my interpretation of Superman but I never felt like he's simple or naive. To do what he does, he has to be optimistic so, sometimes against all odds, he chooses to be. He's basically Waymond from Everything Everywhere All at Once. He chooses to be optimistic and positive, to be a beacon of hope and that's a very smart decision, which is extremely difficult to live. To me that makes Superman even more endearing and a little tragic in some ways. Overall I'm super excited for DC, the slate so far looks super interesting and got huge potential! The problem I got with the MCU right now is that everything feels the same to me, it's more important to have hype and spectecular events, than good stories and well developed character (It's totally fine if you disagree), especially with James Gunn being in the position that he is, I feel like DC could do something different here. I do feel superhero fatigue and stopped visiting cinemas for MCU movies, because whenever I left the cinema it didn't take more than 15 minutes to almost forget the movie again. I hope that Gunn, Safran and all the creatives working on future DC projects, will be different, exciting and emotional gripping again.
I'm cautiously VERY optimistic. I agree with Adam about Supes being pivotal for DC, they need to nail him. I'd love for my boy Kyle to get at least a cameo in the GL show and (eventually) we neeeeed Icon! This is just personal bias though, if they can make this work, I'll take good stories for whomever. Thanks again, guys!
Gunn is taking a page from Feige’s book. Where Feige was trying to get a hero in there that represented each of us (high schooler,patriot,tech genius, man of anger, young ethnic girl, etc… Gunn will go the same but from more of a family aspect. Supes is single child with old parents, Bats is a single father, Diana is a manless world, Lanterns bring in color and ethnicity, monsters brings in visual outcasts, Wildcats brings in pack mentality rebellious youths, Waller is govt manipulation, etc.
I wonder what Momoa was so stoked about after he left the meeting with James and Peter a few weeks back. Doesnt seem like it was anything in the first slate of project Gunn revealed.
All the Hollywood insiders are pointing to Jason Momoa being re-introduced as Emiko Queen (Red Arrow), who is the half-Japanese half-sister half-dragon half-double decaf of Oliver Queen (Green Arrow). You heard it here first.
Love the optimism. Regarding the possibility of some characters carrying over and how that would affect continuity, I don't actually think it's that big of a deal. Take Shazam, for example: if he carries over, the two films he's appeared in are still set in the pre-Flash timeline, but the events of them still happened after the reboot. For Shazam, his two films still happened, just without the existence of Cavill's Superman or Affleck's Batman. Same for Aquaman: his two films still would have happened, just not Justice League (and in the post-Flash timeline, Aquaman 2018 was Arthur's full origin story). Same for Waller and the Suicide Squad: they still exist and those two past films still happened, just with altered plotlines (Bloodsport probably didn't shoot Superman, Waller never met Batman and gave him JL info, etc. etc., and maybe the first one just straight-up won't have ever happened). My main point: there's no point in worrying about this. Just watch through the Flash and keep treating this universe as one thing. Some things will get rebooted, other things won't: the past stories for those that didn't get rebooted still happened, just without the elements that were rebooted.
I love this episode and am glad I found the channel. There's so much negativity and misinformation out there. Shoot, I appreciate how whenever someone on the panel got info one, another member came in and cleaned it up fast. You guys have a new fan!
I pray Gunn does my boy Eobard justice with Antony Starr in the role, professor zoom must live. Also green arrow year one would be a great start with maybe Charlie hunnam 🤷🏻♂️
My friend Andy thinks SUPERMAN LEGACY might be a secret Legion of Superheroes movie. Clark as a young Superman : Superboy ends up in the future and sees the legacy of his deeds as Superman as presented from the 31st century perspective, and he has to contend with that - predestination, temptation to learn about his own future, time travel mind effery, perhaps seeing his future self as an impossible standard to live up to, et cetera. I just want to see Reep Daggle, Tasmia Mallor, Imra Ardeen, Brainiac 5, and the Ranzz twins.
I think that Aquaman: The Lost Kingdom may be in a completely different universe. That corner of the universe, based on confirmed reports and rumors, seems to have already been reset in a way.
Looking forward to all of it. Also had the thought that if this new DC stuff actually happens, the Justice League forms in response to the Authority pulling their shenanigans, and wouldnt be surprised if either the Authority movie, or the JL movie, borrows heavily from Superman vs the Elite/Action Comics 775.
I will absolutely be reading The Authority because they just sound cool. This whole slate sounds so diverse and covers every aspect of the DCU i.e. supernatural, the trinity and the cosmos. Very hype for Damian Wayne. Also gonna read Supergirl didn’t know these things existed until yesterday lol.
And if you want to find out what happened to Stormwatch in between that and the Authority... You might want to check out the Wildcats/Aliens (from the movies), crossover... it's a weird place for such an important continuity moment, but there it is...
Imagine at the end credits of The Flash you hear a phone ringing in the distance and then it cuts to Henry Cavill sitting in a mansion in a black turtleneck sweater and you hear an elderly gentleman say, "it's for you Mr Wayne..."
I've loved all the animated DC films & CW Arrowverse shows I've seen, but I've never really cared much for the live action films tbh - I think the main issue for me is that they're too dark, tonally/ thematically *and* visually. This announcement hasn't won me over yet, but I'm hoping these films will bcos I see more potential in it now.
Maybe Aquaman 2 takes place at the same time as The Flash similar to how Ant-man 2 took place at the same time as Infinity War. Aquaman 2 may have a post-credit scene referencing what happened at the end of The Flash. Maybe Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 should flip release dates.
I don't care if they hang on to the peripheral Amanda Waller Suicide Squad related stuff and actors but they really have to reboot all the "core" Justice League characters right?
Oooh, I know, I know... imagine if Gunn follows up Creature Commandos with (drum roll) Grant Morrison's "Seven Soldiers"!! I know, them using a Grant Morrison story. Shocking!!😂
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Absolutely agreed. This was a fucking beautiful conversation. LOVE these guys.
I'm glad they established and defined "Else-Worlds" as a brand and are going to clearly label the projects in that brand as such. It frees me as a fan to just enjoy it as a stand-alone project without trying to shoe-horn it into my head-cannon.
I am so glad that the "what it is it?" came back. That made my night. 🤣🤣🤣
I think you all are spot on about a hunger for something more hopeful (Ted Lasso-ish). I think this is why Everything Everywhere All at Once hit so hard, for me. Ke Huy Quan's character, Waymond, is such a shining example of the kind of kindness that feels out of place, but ultimately is exactly what is needed to save the day. I cry every time he talks about kindness.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A VERY LONG TIME IM SO EXCITED FOR DC STUFF.
Great we get to see all the movies Gunn wants to make and nothing the fans want......marvel wins again
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 superman, batfamily, green lanterns, booster gold. And you said not fans want? What do you mean?
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 Dont tell me ur one of those artards that want to #firejamesgunn... Birdbrain, for the first time in decades, we have someone with a passion for DC in charge... For the first time, we have someone who understands these characters and HES IN CHARGE. Why the f are u pessimistic? Use ur brain, slowpoke.
At this point I just hope it will succeed.. After everything we have gone trough with DC...
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 speak for yourself.
You are just a cavill fan Who cant let go of the mediocre snyder"garbage"verse.
*sniff sniff* you smell that? Smells like an optimistic and hopeful discussion! It’s honestly so nice to feel excited for DC projects again. Even if there’s a lot of questions being left unanswered right now, I know it’ll come together and I can’t wait to see what they have for Chapter 2.
Great job as always homies
YES!
I can smell what James Gunn is cooking and it smells delicious. The Authority!
My only concern is James Gunn practicing a little bit of nepotism. Replacing almost every actor and then confirming that Peacemaker actors stay doesn't sit right with me.
@@Serryy I don't know why this is a complaint before seeing the stories. All that matters is that the stories don't suffer and I don't think his wife played a character who didn't contribute greatly to the plot.
Goodness... it's like folks are trying to find stuff
@@Serryy Nepotism is prevalent, not only in Hollywood, but in every other business. So why does it bother you again?
This is the only analysis I wanted to see on this stuff. I'm not even that big of a DC fan but there's some interesting stuff in there. I actually read Booster Gold, which is one of the few DC comics I actually bought back in the day.
this is such a diverse line up. we have action, drama, comedy, horror in 1 slate. just so hyped for this 💖
Marvel has done some amazing things but it has also trained people to always look at what's next. So much now to the point that they can't enjoy the movie in front of them if there's no cameo or major hint at what's next. People say they won't go see Shazam because there is no future. What happened to just going to see a movie to entertain yourself for 2 hours. I've read many comments saying this DC slate is boring and that there was no mention of the big bad. Like c'mon this is chapter one, let it breathe. Watch a movie first before saying everything is trash. Live in optimism not pessimism for once people.
I am so excited for The Authority and I am already starting to fancast. It's going to be very The Boys-esque without the parody, and so very very messy, but I loved how obnoxious the team was with each other. I *NEVER* thought I'd get to see Shen on ANY screen, but we'll get the entire team? Will we get Jenny Sparks or Jenny Quarx/Quantum? FYI - The Engineer is going to be full CGI for a lot of it, but I can't wait to hear who they get for Angela Spica! I... think David Tennant should be The Doctor just because it would be HILARIOUS.
Also, I can't wait for Paradise Lost - the armor, the fighting, the threats. It's going to be so cut throat.
The Authority is the project that got me most excited too! I never thought I would ever get to see it live action.
Creature Commandos BABY!!!!! G.I. Robot was my jam growing up and seeing him in both animation and live action is going to be a blast!!!!
I fkn LOVE DC's Frankenstein and I'm right there with you
Here I am, looking forward to a Superman film. It's been too long! I'm even looking forward to the last few not quite-DCU films more as well? Optimism is infectious
You mean superboy movie.....Henry is superman
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 Henry was matched with the worst lex luthor in history. This time hopefully they do good casting for luthor.
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 A Superman in his 20s isn’t Superboy. 🤦♂️
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 And Christopher Reeve was Superman. An actually optimistic Superman who also pulled off the public Clark Kent persona perfectly at that. Henry Cavill was wasted potential for far too long and it’s time to move on.
@@davidmichaelbabin1053 bro doesn't read comics
So excited for this! Waited two days for you guys to do this video!
I'm glad the DC fans are getting what seems like a properly thought out series of stories across all media. I am not a DC fan, or a superhero fan at all, so I have no dog in this fight. I just like that James Gunn (and presumably Peter Safran) are clear-headed as they shape this universe, instead of flying by the seat of their tights.
1:10:00; LOL! Ppl just need to be patient pls and let Gunn/Safran cook! Looking forward to Lanterns, Paradise Lost & Waller on the TV side, and curious as to what both a written & likely directed James Gunn Superman movie & James Mangold Swamp Thing movie looks like! The specific writers/directors selected for each of these 10 projects will be crucial! My order of preference;
1) Lanterns
2) Paradise Lost
3) Superman Legacy
4) Swamp Thing
5) Waller
6) Batman: Bold and the Brave
7) Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow
8) Booster Gold
9) The Authority
10) Creature Commandos
Blue Beetle needs live screen time & I cannot wait to see it plus the actors in it are spot on! Very excited for that project & hope Blue Beetle gets the love he deserves to finally have a story on screen. I am ready for a live action Teen Titans!!
Lanterns has my excitement level through the roof, A HBO show in the style of True Detective with a Sci-Fi Element that's a Major Win for me. Exciting times for DC Fans.
I've been waiting to hear you guys' take on this! ✌️
Green Lantern the Animated Series is absolutely incredible. Since the show got canceled, they split up the conclusion in 2 episodes of different shows. Justice League Action had an episode called "Barehanded" that tells you what happened to one of the main characters. And an episode of Young Justice called "Encounter Upon the Razor's Edge" tells you what happened to another main character
Was waiting for this one, let's go!
To echo what you guys have said, this slate presentation has boosted my excitement their TV/Film stuff but also to read more of the comics. As a lifelong DC Comics fan…these last few years have been tough. For the first time in a long time…it feels like they have a clear plan and direction for where they wanna go and what they wanna do. I am going to dig into the comics that are the inspiration for these upcoming project. S/O to James Gunn/Peter Safran and they’re whole crew. Let’s go! #DCU
Always a good time listening to you guys' thoughts on upcoming film slates, haha. You always get so pumped and that just gets me pumped. More than anything I'm looking forward to the Superfamily films-- love me some kryptonians. Love that Gunn just seems to get it, with Damien, with Kara, etc. He knows the source material, and that more than anything gives me hope for the future. As a DC fan, all of this news just makes me unbelievably happy.
One of the most enjoyable discussions on the topic. You all just earned a new subscriber.
I just want the indefatigable Superman. Where his superpower is that he can do anything, but he can't save everyone, and yet he never stops trying.
I didn't realize how long it's been since I've read DC comics until I suddenly wanted to read thirty of them after this video
Tyler Hoechlin's portrayal is what finally made me invested in Superman and now I am totally invested in the future of the character. Also excited for Paradise Lost and of course the live action Bat Family. Great discussion guys!
Yall have been the go-to lately for superhero breakdowns. Keep on killing it 🍻
Waited for this from you guys ❤
I'm so excited at the idea of the Superman movie outright tackling the fact that he's old fashioned. It sounds a lot like Action 775/Superman vs. The Elite, which is brilliant. Also pretty obvious that his look and characterization will be very All-Star, which is also great news. God I'm stoked for this.
Agreed with Hector. This announcement has reignited my love for the comics. Just ordered All Star Superman and Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow
I was definitely waiting for this discussion all day Tuesday and yesterday, and it delivered as usual! Loved what you guys said about getting excited to read DC again. Proof of that is several of the books mentioned, including Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow sold out THAT DAY on Amazon. I definitely pulled my All-Star Superman off the shelf for a re-read. Looking forward to your insight as these projects start to see the light of day! Cheers!
The Judi Dench in Casino Royale example is a good one. If The Flash properly establishes that a DC universe exists where all the actors, new and/or old have known each other since the beginning, they can just carry on as if they have known each other. There's definitely no more need to do origin stories or first meet up type movies either.
"Space Cops" is what I've been screaming for on the internet when it comes to Green Lantern. Any time I've been asked to make a pitch or come up with a concept, I've always said "It needs to be Law & Order in space." It just makes TOO MUCH sense.
Going to get real comfy for this one :D
Keep all of this content coming, homies! Agustin put it perfectly, there's just that little remnant of the previous run that just won't let go and can't get rid of. The added experience about Agustin's interactions with the "fandom" just made it even more clear about the baggage that comes with that. I am also with Adam on Superman Legacy being the make-it-or-break-it project that will define the James Gunn era. Side note, I think James Gunn is not going to "fire" his wife (from Suicide Squad and Peacemaker) so that means those franchises are going to be part of the new DCU? Finally, PEDRO PASCAL as Batman!? OMG YES!!! Perfect choice!
Jensen Ackles as Batman is the perfect casting. He’s 44. He voiced Batman in long Halloween AND in the upcoming new animated film. And to get Ben affleck to direct?! COME ON!
And now all is feeling right with DCU. 🧘🏻♂️
Recasting isn't a big deal, Marvel has done it and is doing it in the new Ant-Man movie coming out soon. I'm half certain they're only doing the whole Flashpoint thing so they can simultaneously ignore most of the DCEU stuff while keeping Peace Maker and The Suicide Squad. Also the Flashpoint aspect may have already been in place before James/Peter so they're taking advantage of what they have available to them.
Hotshot the problem is that Gunn is wrong what his trying to do ( picking his own old actors for peacemaker & TSS ) there are other actors from old DCEU we want in DCU example Gal Gadot her first movie made over 840M already she has a second movie, Mamoa his movie made over 1 B and his having a coming second movie ) how can they let go of them while they accept Viola Davis to stay,they are going to lose the fan base
@@michaelkaggwa4915No you do not want Gal Gadot. She might look like Wonder Woman but shes a horrible actor. Shes the woman version of Arnold Schwarzenegger. No acting skills but her looks get her roles
Hi guys, big fan of the channel, Adam that DC slate titles graphic u did is very impressive, still surprised WB/DC and Gunn didnt do one, they cheaped out on this..I have seen a few people making them online but they are not great..Yours is spectacular, got it off reddit..i think DC should contact u to work with when they next do a comic con presentation or something👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👌
As soon as you guys mentioned Sinestro, it got me thinking. What if the thing Hal and John uncover is Sinestro's corrupt ways and possible corruption of other GLC officers? We already know that Sinestro when he was in the Corps was a dirty cop.
First time in years I’ve been excited for DC stuff. Every step they take away from Snyder is an exponential increase in my own hype level. Nothing but faith in James Gunn, and I’m particularly excited to see Tom King stories being centered. This is gonna be great.
I see a rated R version of The Authority, an established team, eventually being the inspiration for the formation of the Justice League. Heroes that know of the Authority, but want to form a team the takes more of a moral high ground.
Great discussion guys as always! I need to ask... Will you ever release the rest of the watchalong for Superman and Lois on RUclips? I could never afford Patreon, could only support by tuning in here...
Come back on Tuesday 😉
I'm very excited for everything James Gunn announced. But the stuff I'm looking forward to the most is The Lanterns, Paradise Lost and Swamp Thing. Gimme gimme gimme! 👏
I got goosebumps with his descriptions of everything.
LOL... I loved the video with Hector and Alex. It was great. 😂
Cautiously optimistic for this. As you mentioned, Adam, Superman must stick the landing for me as well. He's my favorite DC character and gold standard, so this new iteration has to earn my trust. 🤞
I'm really interested to see how James Gunn is going to operate with other directors. He's clearly more directly involved with some projects while being half of the Kevin Feige of DC. I hope he learned a lot about working with Feige and can iterate on what he experienced so he is less restrictive with creatives while still keeping things cohesive. After Superman hopefully proves the new status quo is worthwhile, I think that's going to be the next big test.
What I’m hoping for is Lanterns is like a southland. You start off with Hal being vet assigned a new Partner John. Preferably after a Senistro betrayal. So you get see Hal be the mentor he never had. Also John being new on the field(space).
I love the explanation of the Superman characteristics because it just made me think of him as Forrest Gump with super powers lol
I’m 100% with Adam on Brave and the Bold, the Bat Family completely changes the context for who Batman is and by jumping in with the newest member of that family we’re missing out on so many important moments and major character arcs
Think about it, depending on what they do with the timeline this Batman will have: Already raised two sons, had one grow up and move out and lost the other one to his archenemy, have what is essentially his niece be crippled by the same archenemy, adopted a mute daughter and potentially had to deal with the resurrection of one of his sons who now hates him ALL OFFSCREEN
That’s why you can revisit all those stories via spin-off tv shows and movies that’s the beauty of a cohesive universe
It has to be that none of them existed. Damian the only one. Otherwise Batman goes from young 30’s into at least 40’s and then he’s 15-20 yrs older than Superman. Are fans gonna go at Gunn now like they did to Snyder over Dick Grayson? Uggh comic fans are the worst.
@@kaisa8204 but if you’re going to do all that then why start here? There are SO MANY other Batman movies or shows you’d have to make to explore all that stuff in retrospect that you’re not saving time you’re just confusing people
@@jonasquinn7977 Same reason New52 Batman comic just started in the present and eventually filled in the five years since Batman's origin that we didn't technically see.
@@bestlexluthor7596 Batman: The Animated Series established that Batman was active for at least ten years before Superman showed up in Metropolis. It's fine. Relax.
Guys, there is also the fact that they want these 2023 movies to make money. No way would they say that those characters are done right now. It makes no sense to destroy what interest is left in Flash, Shazam and Aquaman.
These characters are done. We will hear about the reboot of Flash after the 2023 movies are done. I also think Mamoa is Lobo, too much clues there for it to not be a thing.
Stuff I'm gonna read soon - given Tom King is on the brain trust and Gunn has specifically referenced these two in the last year or so as being great: his Mr Miracle and Strange Adventures.
Loved this whole show guys, hopefully lots to dig into and get excited for over the next few years!
The only analysis that I actually care about 👏👏👏
Just like you guys this has me pretty stoked to dip back into the comics. I kinda dropped off when Rebirth happened, read some of the Tom King batman, but not much else. Not because it wasn't good, but just because I felt a bit overwhelmed with just how much there was to catch up on I stopped trying. But 100% I will be heading out to get a copy of Supergirl Woman Of Tomorrow.
And, like you guys said, if Swamp Thing leans into a Green/Red/The Rot scenario and we get some Animal Man that borrows from that Jeff Lemire/Travel Foreman run I will be so excited!
Agreed on the need for optimism and inspiration with Superman. Also psyched about Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow
I would want the next Batman after Brave and the Bold to be titled Sins of the Father and introduce Red Hood
LOVE y'all breakdown!!!
Feels great to be excited about DC for the first time in almost a decade!
Give me that Lanterns goodness AHHHHHHHH. The fact that also Brave and the Bold will potentially have an established Bat-family has me hoping for an EVENTUAL like....solo Nightwing movie or Titans movie. GIVE IT TO MEEEEEEEE
Lego Batman is the best exploration of the character ever produced outside of Harley Quinn's deep dive (literally) into Bruce's psyche.
Nice work getting a James Gunn like and share on Instagram!
before i go into it, thanks guys, for a balanced and completely groovified breakdown of the Slate [also, Master Hector, i'm 41 ... i have no idea what that means, iChuckle. thinking about the end of the 2020s low-key freaks me out]
there is one thing that's been nagging me since the day Sirs James and Peter got hired and [bear with me], it's Zaslav.
WB has in recent memory, felt chaotic when it came to DC, i admit that. and i admit that everyone should be given a fair chance. but the decisions and statements that WBD CEO Zaslav have made and said, does not fill me with joy. so i'm wondering how MUCH of James and Peter's vision will see the full light of day. Zaslav gives me Perlmutter vibes. Feige could've gone around Perlmutter to get the job done. James and Peter still [i suspect] need to report to Zaslav. so while i feel excited for Chapter One and all that it could bring, that one thought lingers. be well.
Taking a shot every time hector talks over and hijacks someone else’s point 😵💫
I think Gunn should do a new League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
The variety of this slate is what gets me, every project could have a different tone and feel to it, Swamp Thing and Booster Gold probably being polar opposites. So exciting!
OK, going wayyyy out on a limb here but with Paradise Lost giving us a link to the past, Booster Gold giving us a link to the future and Lanterns exploring a "terrifying mystery" in the present, I’m just going to go ahead and predict that the overarching big bad for the DCU will be…
MORDRU
From Wikipedia: Considered among the most prominent members of the Lords of Chaos, the character is typically depicted as being an adversary of several teams and characters, including the Justice Society of America, Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld, Doctor Fate, Justice League Dark and his primary enemies, the Legion of Super-Heroes. A parasitic-like cosmic entity, the character is depicted as being among the most powerful magic users in the DC Universe and a would-be conqueror, often working to increase his already overwhelming power to control all of existence.
Mordu…… that makes sense as also swamp thing protects the tree of life in the JL dark rebirth comics. So JL dark will happen in the future and mordu does make an appearance. I would love to see mordu
And if Mordru leads to a LEGION OF SUPERHEROES movie or series...this fat old dude may just have to jump for joy!
Doing Lanterns as a television show is the best way to slowly introduce the lore and complexity of the Green Lantern Corp to the general audience. Keeping it terrestrial based and saving the epic space opera for the big screen is the best way to do it.
Actors changing/not changing doesn’t bother me. MCU changed hulk and war machine and switched actors without issue. I’m excited for this slate. Love you guys!
Yes, But a clean slate to be fair means all new people cause if not your Shafting Cavill but keeping Ezra and Heard. No one had said Gal would be back right.
I think Heard is done for. There been reports that her runtime in the film was largely cut down plus she’s been in “hiding” after she was proven guilty. I doubt she’ll ever come back again.
@@Megaproductions302 i think ezra is done for too after his movie😂
Ringking 1978 its not a clean slate Viola Davis staying and i want more to stay example J Momoa and Gal Gadot there movies have made money for the company and if they let go of them they are going to lose fans including me
@@michaelkaggwa4915 damn a lot of people are already mixed on that saying those two should be recasted too
This was a great lineup for the DCFU. I need to pick up The Authority. Gal and Robert Pattinson is in the Elesworlds like Fox movies and Fox Searchlight movies. James Gunn said after the video there will not be the same actor playing a different character.
PSGAMERGUY76 what do you mean by DCFU and were did you get that Gal Gadot will be in Elesworlds?
James Gunn sent me here. 😉 Great job on the graphic Adam!
Maybe I'm a little off with my interpretation of Superman but I never felt like he's simple or naive. To do what he does, he has to be optimistic so, sometimes against all odds, he chooses to be. He's basically Waymond from Everything Everywhere All at Once. He chooses to be optimistic and positive, to be a beacon of hope and that's a very smart decision, which is extremely difficult to live. To me that makes Superman even more endearing and a little tragic in some ways.
Overall I'm super excited for DC, the slate so far looks super interesting and got huge potential! The problem I got with the MCU right now is that everything feels the same to me, it's more important to have hype and spectecular events, than good stories and well developed character (It's totally fine if you disagree), especially with James Gunn being in the position that he is, I feel like DC could do something different here. I do feel superhero fatigue and stopped visiting cinemas for MCU movies, because whenever I left the cinema it didn't take more than 15 minutes to almost forget the movie again.
I hope that Gunn, Safran and all the creatives working on future DC projects, will be different, exciting and emotional gripping again.
I’d say Waymond was relatively simple and naive too
@@DamnFineCupOfCoffee No, he was smart and absolutely aware of how he lived his life.
@@DamnFineCupOfCoffee he even explained that he is fully aware how people might think that but being kind was more important.
I'm cautiously VERY optimistic. I agree with Adam about Supes being pivotal for DC, they need to nail him. I'd love for my boy Kyle to get at least a cameo in the GL show and (eventually) we neeeeed Icon! This is just personal bias though, if they can make this work, I'll take good stories for whomever. Thanks again, guys!
Gunn is taking a page from Feige’s book. Where Feige was trying to get a hero in there that represented each of us (high schooler,patriot,tech genius, man of anger, young ethnic girl, etc… Gunn will go the same but from more of a family aspect. Supes is single child with old parents, Bats is a single father, Diana is a manless world, Lanterns bring in color and ethnicity, monsters brings in visual outcasts, Wildcats brings in pack mentality rebellious youths, Waller is govt manipulation, etc.
To expand on Augustin's point on tone, think of New Girl, Nick is Batman, Schmidt is Superman and Jess as wonder woman :)
green lantern is what I'm hoping for to be good.
Been waiting for this all dayyyyy
I wonder what Momoa was so stoked about after he left the meeting with James and Peter a few weeks back. Doesnt seem like it was anything in the first slate of project Gunn revealed.
All the Hollywood insiders are pointing to Jason Momoa being re-introduced as Emiko Queen (Red Arrow), who is the half-Japanese half-sister half-dragon half-double decaf of Oliver Queen (Green Arrow). You heard it here first.
Love the optimism. Regarding the possibility of some characters carrying over and how that would affect continuity, I don't actually think it's that big of a deal. Take Shazam, for example: if he carries over, the two films he's appeared in are still set in the pre-Flash timeline, but the events of them still happened after the reboot. For Shazam, his two films still happened, just without the existence of Cavill's Superman or Affleck's Batman. Same for Aquaman: his two films still would have happened, just not Justice League (and in the post-Flash timeline, Aquaman 2018 was Arthur's full origin story). Same for Waller and the Suicide Squad: they still exist and those two past films still happened, just with altered plotlines (Bloodsport probably didn't shoot Superman, Waller never met Batman and gave him JL info, etc. etc., and maybe the first one just straight-up won't have ever happened).
My main point: there's no point in worrying about this. Just watch through the Flash and keep treating this universe as one thing. Some things will get rebooted, other things won't: the past stories for those that didn't get rebooted still happened, just without the elements that were rebooted.
I love this episode and am glad I found the channel. There's so much negativity and misinformation out there. Shoot, I appreciate how whenever someone on the panel got info one, another member came in and cleaned it up fast. You guys have a new fan!
Also very into the slate’s variety
And Brazil says: you're welcome Heroes Reforged
This is a good thumbnail for this video. Its why i even clicked on it.
I pray Gunn does my boy Eobard justice with Antony Starr in the role, professor zoom must live. Also green arrow year one would be a great start with maybe Charlie hunnam 🤷🏻♂️
haven't even watched the video yet and I just wanted to say what a great thumbnail! shoutout to whoever made it 🙇
That would be Adam. He makes all out graphics.
My friend Andy thinks SUPERMAN LEGACY might be a secret Legion of Superheroes movie. Clark as a young Superman : Superboy ends up in the future and sees the legacy of his deeds as Superman as presented from the 31st century perspective, and he has to contend with that - predestination, temptation to learn about his own future, time travel mind effery, perhaps seeing his future self as an impossible standard to live up to, et cetera. I just want to see Reep Daggle, Tasmia Mallor, Imra Ardeen, Brainiac 5, and the Ranzz twins.
I think that Aquaman: The Lost Kingdom may be in a completely different universe. That corner of the universe, based on confirmed reports and rumors, seems to have already been reset in a way.
Looking forward to all of it.
Also had the thought that if this new DC stuff actually happens, the Justice League forms in response to the Authority pulling their shenanigans, and wouldnt be surprised if either the Authority movie, or the JL movie, borrows heavily from Superman vs the Elite/Action Comics 775.
I will absolutely be reading The Authority because they just sound cool. This whole slate sounds so diverse and covers every aspect of the DCU i.e. supernatural, the trinity and the cosmos.
Very hype for Damian Wayne. Also gonna read Supergirl didn’t know these things existed until yesterday lol.
If you can fit it in, you should read Ellis' Stormwatch run which us essentially a prelude to the Authority.
@@nihildomini thanks for the rec. I’m definitely reading that beforehand.
And if you want to find out what happened to Stormwatch in between that and the Authority... You might want to check out the Wildcats/Aliens (from the movies), crossover... it's a weird place for such an important continuity moment, but there it is...
@@nihildomini really appreciate the recommendations man saving a screenshot of these for later.
Imagine at the end credits of The Flash you hear a phone ringing in the distance and then it cuts to Henry Cavill sitting in a mansion in a black turtleneck sweater and you hear an elderly gentleman say, "it's for you Mr Wayne..."
I've loved all the animated DC films & CW Arrowverse shows I've seen, but I've never really cared much for the live action films tbh - I think the main issue for me is that they're too dark, tonally/ thematically *and* visually.
This announcement hasn't won me over yet, but I'm hoping these films will bcos I see more potential in it now.
A Green Lantern TV series is all I ask for.
I still think they’re saying the right things so that these next 4 movies can make money. It’s just odd that The Flash will reboot some but not all……
Holy shit! I had no idea the Checxicans had another channel!
It’s brand new!
Did you guys see James Gunn repost your photo?
Yes! 🙌
Maybe Aquaman 2 takes place at the same time as The Flash similar to how Ant-man 2 took place at the same time as Infinity War. Aquaman 2 may have a post-credit scene referencing what happened at the end of The Flash. Maybe Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 should flip release dates.
Fantastic video boys! The Paradise Lost show is going to take place before Diana's birth. So that should be interesting. :)
23:55 I would say superman is Optimistic. But he's not naive. And I think thats an important disticntion to keep in mind when writing the character.
I don't care if they hang on to the peripheral Amanda Waller Suicide Squad related stuff and actors but they really have to reboot all the "core" Justice League characters right?
Oooh, I know, I know... imagine if Gunn follows up Creature Commandos with (drum roll) Grant Morrison's "Seven Soldiers"!! I know, them using a Grant Morrison story. Shocking!!😂