Game companies have been relatively competent until recently that we never had a Negative Example for reference. Concord is a "what not to do" guide for character design.
@@kylespevak6781 Around 2015 many game companies started to replace the old staff with new guys for a 'modern audience'. Some of it was inevitable as older devs retired or were burned out, but HR departments made an aggressive push to replace first everyone not in a leadership position and then the people in leadership roles as well.
I really like the contrast of colour schemes between Thor's silver and red against Loki's golden and green. So much portrayed just by the character designs alone.
You can tell they wanted Squirrel Girl to be their Mei. Even the squirrel on the shoulder is reminiscent of Mei's robot companion, and the fur trim also looks like her winter coat.
I love how you go through the process to show us why a design is good instead of just telling us. Most people seem like they are biased because they just go, "yup, looks good" But you explain it to us in simple terms while showing all the tricks. Also helps to identify bad designs because we now know what to look for! Another A+ video!
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. Before I am an artist or designer, I am a gamer and a guy who just enjoys cool stuff. Thanks for having fun and watching this video.
The fact that the buckle on Squirrel Girl's belt is also shaped like a sideways acorn really got to me. It's a bit silly and yet so fitting and thought out
@@alexm.a.d892 In case he's busy, I'll say he has an eclectic dark supernatural fiction series called Silver Falls that spans multiple genres, consoles, and mediums from novels to old-school ROM hacks and everything in between. It's quite good.
you can tell the marvel rivals character designs are great because they're what people would usually like to see in art to like and share from its sheer cool factor
Black widow is colored to look like a Black Widow spider. The black with red lines. Her arm dots are like a stun device that gives her like stun gun punches. Sadly I don’t think they use them in the game. She gets her stun rods instead. People also say her curves help give that spider like body
yes, I was about to comment the same about the spider look, without pushing the design into a sort of "spiderverse" direction. She's very well designed and I think it's my favorite. She is consistent with her classic look, but with just a few details that enhance it and make it more contemporary and thematic. The body shape and bulky forearm weapon are so good.
I've just sporadically seen people share comic book covers with her on them an always thought she looked fun, so it's really nice to see her used in such a big game and with a fantastic design.
IM so glad your reviewing this games character designs! Iv been playing this game a bunch and its just fantastic I absolutely the art direction in this game I hope theres an artbook or something in the future.
Growing up with comics I saw so many different artists styles. Joe MAD quickly became my favorite artist and these character designs mimic his art style. I LOVE IT. I would definitely buy it if I was into hero shooters. 🤘🏽❤️
@@no.1spidey-fan182 he is the CEO of his own company -Airship Syndicate. They have quite a lot of games released, Battle chasers, Ruined King, Darksiders and recently Wayfinder.
These are some of the coolest videos on YT - it's a really humble tutorial in art design/critique, and especially palatable for people that don't have the same level of expertise. Thank you for the content
@galadrigal7644 I'd rather them just take away the blue stripe running through it, because that's not supposed to be just some random patch of web pattern, that's supposed to be his belt. It only looks odd in that manner because it's divided, which most modern Spider-Man designs really like to do for sone reason. I think the belt is a key facet of the character design, and would like it to simply be more visually clear, rather than removed entirely.
I think the kidney window helps to...reflect?...mirror?...the red on his fist and the overall costume. When the kidney windows was blued, it gave the impression of a solid blue center with red bits slotted in. With the kidney window red, it gives the impression of a solid red suit with a blue oversleeve.
Nice analysis. I liked the way that the highlights on the silhouetted versions of the characters directed the eye back to the character in the foreground. Excellent craft all around. 👍
one details that are not mentioned here is that squirrel girl's slingshot used all the colors on her costume, the brown on the branch, the white under the branch, the orange on the knots, and even the gray on the patch, what a masterful design.
i remember when I first opened this game, the first thing i thought was.. "i wonder what Sungrand thinks about these designs" haha I'm so glad you decided to make a video about it, you point out and see things I couldn't find myself and give me the ability to appreciate the art work even more. amazing video man!
When I first opened the characters ingame, I was like "okay here's a photo, what about the ingame model?" and then I realised it was the ingame model, it was so good too, the visual style mimicing drawing, what a great art style.
Between the characters, their abilities and voice lines (especially those between different characters) really shows that the devs really do know and care about each individual characters background and overall style. Enough creative liberties to show off their own style but not so much that it's unrecognizable. The game has so much high quality in all the aspects that matter.
I really enjoy your videos in general, but it is great to see your positive side. Recently there is so much to cover that slants towards the negative and I respect you for covering it. You do it justice and handle it with class, but too much of that can eat away at my mood. Seeing you gush about something with your expertise is a treat. It also shows a side of you I didn't know before this video, which means I need to watch more of your stuff. In short: Great work. Your excitement is contagious because you articulate what makes something special. As an amateur artist (hobbyist) it's also very helpful!
I have no interest in this kind of genre nor in MOST Marvel characters and yet, these character designs are making me want to try the game out. That's definitely a sign of a great job. Concord's character designs had the opposite effect so I didn't even touch it and it was actually a genre I was more familiar with and casually interested in.
@@johnpauljonesisabadass8134 Oh? Even better then. I thought this was going to be another attempt at one of those cheaper online games like the ones who were tried with the DC Universe as well.
Jerrell, insightful and interesting as always, thank you. Yes! Do more on Marvel RIvals (i played a bit on the weekend). With 33 heroes on release the game is going off. What I like about the design in this game is that it brings in its own style to what is almost anime in its look but is faithful to the original Marvel source material. Please do a breakdown of "Jeff The Land Shark" and "Cloak and Dagger" next? Also, if you are playing on PC, it's around a 40GB download, 70GB install.
I love these videos you do about character design. I'm no artist, but really enjoy looking at character designs and what does or doesn't work. You professional insights are very interesting and help me understand more about why I do or don't like different designs. Now for my takes: That Loki design is fantastic! A really good, unique, take on the character, whilst keeping all the base elements of his costume. The fur was a very nice touch. It's a very royal look, that ties into how he see's himself as the rightful king of Asgard, whilst also invoking colder climates, which references his backstory as a frost giant. Easy 10/10 from me. Wolverine is a decent idea that I personally don't think was very well executed. My biggest problem is less with the costume itself, but more with the fact that his hands and arms are ludicrously, comically, huge. That, combined with the collar on the jacket, make it look like he has no neck, which is very off-putting. I get they're going for more exaggerated proportions, but I think they really overdid it on Wolverine. I do kind of like what they were going for with combining the casual jacket look, with the colours and aesthetics of his comic book suit. There's a good idea there, that's buried under the weird gorilla proportions. 4/10 Spiderman is ok, but I agree with you that less is more with him. I think there's a bit too much blue on his costume, and removing the bits on his hands would probably have been enough to tone that down a bit. Otherwise, not bad though. Not my favorite interpretation of the suit, but nowhere near the worst I've seen either. 5/10 Thor is pretty good. He suffers from the same lack of neck issue as Wolverine, but to a lesser extent, due to the lack of collar. His hands are also much more proportionate to his arms, and the exaggerated proportions are overall much better executed here. My biggest complaint is the lack of a cape. That's a big element to his costume, which is just completely absent, and I'm not liking that. Giving him his red cape would probably have solved the issue of not having enough red on his costume. Also, the hammer is the same colour as the armour on his chest, which makes it kind of blend into his torso in that picture. 6/10 Iron Man is pretty great. Maybe a little bit too much bulk around the arc reactor area, but otherwise, no real complaints from me. Solid 8/10. Black Widow is overall nice. That hairstyle is getting a bit too dangerously close to the SJW "shaved on one side" haircut, (that I absolutely loathe with a passion on female characters) but I love her suit design. I like the red accents, that resemble the markings of actual black widow spiders. Change the haircut to something less modern and cringe, and this would be an easy 10/10. As is, I'll give it 8/10. (Yes I hate the SJW haircut that much. That awful design fad needs to stay in 2014, where it belongs. Make women feminine again.) I'm not very familiar with squirrel girl, but that's a pretty nice, short-stack style, design. Good balance between sexy and cool. She looks pretty strong, without looking like a man in drag, and no SJW haircut in sight. Your interesting insights just made me appreciate the design even more. Very cute design, I like it. 10/10
Everyone looks sick in this game. And all the DLC costumes are awesome too. If anything Wolverine is the most polarizing, but he has a traditional costume available in the store for those that can't stand it.
Wolverine actually has his Deadpool x Wolverine movie, which is far closer to his original design. It costs money but you can look at it for free, I recommend viewing it with his unique MVP screen. They nailed the comic designs here very well and I considered buying that skin, despite not being a Wolverine fan myself.
Dude. I never was interested in these kind of clips. But you made me interested in it. Damn, you're a great speaker. When you're excited, you INFECT anyone with the same excitement. When you switched to Thor I was like "YEP that guy was right" before you even said it haha 😂 You're a great guy. Thanks for your great content and all the best wishes for you, Mr. Dulay.
Rivals has been incredibly fun for me and I too truly enjoy the character designs.I personally would like to see you look at more of the characters. Keep up the good work brother 👍🏽
My favourite thing about the art style in Rivals is the sketchy lines on the 3D models. I'm a beginner with Blender so it might just be some sort of custom grease pencil, but the fact that the strokes change as the model moves or turns around is really cool (and also obviously the direction they went with visual effects are also extremely stylish)
Loved seeing you gush over these great designs! Would love to see a part two on this game, as I think it’s nice to praise great design and hear your thoughts, especially in this day and age of flops!
I hate to ask you to take the time to do this to you Mister Dulay, but I am a gamedev too and I'm trying to learn character design, and I find your character design analysis extremely insightful. I know you just wanted to do a quick video with a handful of these Marvel Rivals characters but.... could you please analyze _all_ of them? Maybe a few at a time? I am really interested to hear your takes on them. Maybe rate them too? Thank you for everything.
I really love the insight you give us when looking at character design, and what the character designer might be thinking when creating certain elements of the costume. Really love this video!
i've been loving this game recently. character design is something i take for granted and don't think about often but your knowledge on the subject makes me appreciate it even more. it's truly fascinating. thank you for all you do
As an artist I don’t work in a digital medium (yet…) but videos like this really give me good things to think about when I am designing and composing my own artwork. Much appreciated!
So great to see your professional and upbeat take on a fresh new game! And very educational, I will be looking at characters with a more informed eye for cohesion, flow and shape. Something I can appreciate even as a total layman for the craft.
This is an outstanding video to show what good character design looks like. The beginning was also fun. I’m waiting for the video where we get to learn about the mug collection.
With the exception being Black Widow... who hardly ever is even seen as a sniper which they shoehorned her into being because they lacked a proper sniper character. She mostly is melee and gadget based with some usage of firearms.
That is straight up untrue. There's even multiple covers with her holding a sniper rifle. She doesn't use it as often as her batons (which she also has in-game) but it's not "hardly ever". She's an assassin.
You should do this comparison in game as the heroes change in gameplay when they use abilities, Wolverines hair for example goes more in the spikey side as in comics when he uses abilities
Hi again Jerrel, First I love the boldness of the art style and designs of the characters, Even though some of the designs aren't really my cup of tea I can appreciate its nailed a certain style and I think its very cool. And that's what you want with character design - that you nail the "cool" factor. You look at some games recently where the character designs haven't been as strong such as Concord and we aren't seeing the "cool factor" that helps a character resonate with players. With Marvel Rivals one thing that absolutely baffles me is the callout shot for Wolverine: he doesn't have his claws popped. Unless I'm missing something like a rollover or select state animation where he pops his claws, but if not I think this may be the first time I have ever seen a callout shot of Wolverine for any comic cover, poster, game, show or movie where he hasn't got his claws out. It's so synonymous with his character, iconic and instantly recognisable. It's well known in character design that a good character design should usually be recognisable by their silhouette - turn this callout shot all black and you can probably guess its Wolvie by his proportions and frame, but whack 6 claws coming out the hands and you know who it is instantly. Same as you Jerrel one of the first things I noticed was that it would have been really nice to have some yellow in his boots to tie in with the jacket and the original design. Keep the tongue silver to tie in with the claws and the soles blue to tie in with the shoulder pads, but add in some yellow to the side panels or as you suggested the trim - to me that would look more unified. Last thing, its a small detail but whenever I have done artwork of Wolvie, I have given him a Canadian Maple Leaf belt buckle. Wolvie is a proud Canucklehead and I think its cool to show more of a narrative element to the character rather than a cheap and easy "W" for Wolverine for his buckle. To me its totally out of his character to wear something like that. But I love the uniqueness and boldness of this games art design. As someone who is a massive Joe Madureira fan - Joe had a massive Manga and anime influence to his art when he worked on X-Men comics back in the 90's. Joe made himself a massive fanbase with his unique takes on the characters, but there were others who really didn't like Joe's style, so I can see this game having it's fans and ppl it wont resonate with. Anyway, another great character design video! Thanks!
Also forgot to add, that nut shaped belt buckle for Squirrel Girl is an absolutely beautiful touch to her design, got to agree that is a top tier character design!
first video I saw of this fellow I was like...wtf is going on? and once you get 'it'? This man is the sole deliverer of absolute zero chilled burns I didn't know I wanted/needed.
25:44 I think it was when, in Thor's first movie, Odin strips those kinds of buttons off his armor, taking something like his "divinity" away, not being able to lift Mjolnir anymore
I enjoy you calm approach to criticism, really like the chill vibes you give. Something I haven’t seen you do yet, and perhaps you have in a video I have not seen, is show your own character designs. I’d like to see what you’ve done, as an enjoyer of your content, but would also like some credibility added to your portfolio. Take care man.
34:23 That design there reminds me of Spider-Man chest symbol! Which is funny considering widow based her stingers on his webshooters so her borrowing another design element is in character😂
Wolverine: the job of the artist is to guide the viewer eyes to where they want to where they want main attraction of the piece to be so there isn't always the need to spread all the color all over the design. For Wolverine, that is his iconic claw and beast like face expression which is all focus on his upper half, that why the most vibrant color of the design was all focus on his upper half with the vibrant Yellow and Blue shoulder pad and the rest mainly his leg and feet is more dull color and don't have any vibrant accent on them. Another note is the jack was design base off his iconic hero costume, you can even see the stripe on side of jacket, if he zip it up, it would be like his iconic suit. Also the pick of jacket was great as Wolverine are often seen wearing jacket a lot, like that is his go to style. Lastly i love that they add the thing where his claw come out, while more modern Wolverine depiction don't have that but they add that in give that extra focus on his claw and make more sense for the pose as well
May be reaching, but I feel the emphasis of the black of Spider-Man's trim is to highlight his relationship with Venom, with Team Ups being a big mechanic in this game. Contrast it with the white spider of PlayStation Spider-Man.
In game if you go through this hero tab they all have animated intros and they explode out of their character card when you hover them. A lot of TLC went into animations for intros and stuff even at just the menus.
You didn't notice all the color scheme of her tail (3-4 colors), which was expressed to her overall outfit from top to bottom. That bump up Squirrel Girl from SSS to SSS+
@@sungrandstudios Nice, it can be interesting to see the differences between the official artwork and the actual models in-game. Sometimes they end up looking better, and sometimes it's far worse in motion.
Character design analysis is entertaining in itself but also very valueable to someone learning art and character design such as myself and many others. Can't wait for a part 2, 3, 4 and maybe 5!
Sungrand himself is peak character design
Facts
He is quite well dressed.
No joke though he really does and it tells you what kind of stuff he does and shows a professional air.
Will choose him in every game without a doubt
Not really. He's just another anti woke crybaby
I am a Western game dev. I am taking notes
Hope I was able to help you.
Remember to make sure that your games are for the modern audience, I hear it's a recipe to success. Yup yup 😉
Woke = Broke
If you're aiming to make games for traditional gamers, it's better to open your own studio
@@kittehgodon’t set them up like that 😂
The best thing that came out of Concord, was the increase in interest in the quality of the characters we play as. Lemons->Lemonade.
That's an excellent point. Nice.
Game companies have been relatively competent until recently that we never had a Negative Example for reference. Concord is a "what not to do" guide for character design.
Nah, common sense is people like aesthetically pleasing characters.
Idk what Concord thought 😂 I guess the woke mind virus spread far
Exactly if I can't have a ragging hard on while holding point am I really playing a video game?
@@kylespevak6781 Around 2015 many game companies started to replace the old staff with new guys for a 'modern audience'. Some of it was inevitable as older devs retired or were burned out, but HR departments made an aggressive push to replace first everyone not in a leadership position and then the people in leadership roles as well.
"Did you do it?"
"Yes."
"What did it cost?"
"A few hours of my time."
I really like the contrast of colour schemes between Thor's silver and red against Loki's golden and green. So much portrayed just by the character designs alone.
what i ilike about squirrel girl design imo is that her thicker legs also calls back to a squirrel that do have thicker and stronger legs
Great insight!
Smash, next
The design looks like almost anything Robert Crumb did. And that's a good thing.
and storm is slim. so it helps with the design that she flies using wind and all that.
You can tell they wanted Squirrel Girl to be their Mei.
Even the squirrel on the shoulder is reminiscent of Mei's robot companion, and the fur trim also looks like her winter coat.
Me: "Hrm, I really don't feel like watching a 47 minute video. I'll just watch a little bit"
Me, 47 minutes later: "Man, that was good!"
Hahaha thank you for that! I appreciate it. That's usually me when I start watching a video about cave diving tragedies.
@sungrandstudios lol I hope a mr ballen fan
@@tdudemang69yea41 Probably more of a scary interesting, he has a lot of cave diving vids
@@sungrandstudios Uh oh, Internet Historian XD?
@@sungrandstudios Cave diving 'tragedies'? You have a wide field of interests :)
I love how you go through the process to show us why a design is good instead of just telling us. Most people seem like they are biased because they just go, "yup, looks good" But you explain it to us in simple terms while showing all the tricks. Also helps to identify bad designs because we now know what to look for! Another A+ video!
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. Before I am an artist or designer, I am a gamer and a guy who just enjoys cool stuff. Thanks for having fun and watching this video.
The fact that the buckle on Squirrel Girl's belt is also shaped like a sideways acorn really got to me. It's a bit silly and yet so fitting and thought out
you seeing squirrel girl:
"it was perfect... perfect, everything down to the last minute detail"
"....people can't even buy my Wii U or 3DS games anymore."
Joke or not, I felt that.
So many of us felt that.
Mister @@sungrandstudiosI'm new to your channel, what game did you work on and provided character design for?
@@alexm.a.d892 In case he's busy, I'll say he has an eclectic dark supernatural fiction series called Silver Falls that spans multiple genres, consoles, and mediums from novels to old-school ROM hacks and everything in between. It's quite good.
@@alexm.a.d892He talks about his Sliver Falls series a lot
The shape of the blue and yellow on Wolverine's jacket makes a "W"
Oh no way. Nice catch.
@@sungrandstudios I am a working artist in the game industry, and I love your insight and content.
Whoever design Hawkeye and Psylocke should have a raise.
And Storm, Psylocke is S tier though
Bro, they're so fucking cool.
Iron Fist also looks like a complete BADASS
Moon Knight, Cap looks great, Magneto(holy fook), Adam Warlock, Dagger🥵
Black Panther is peak design fr
please do part 2 of this, this was pretty interesting
Thank you for enjoying the video. I'll download the game and look at the models next time.
@@sungrandstudios I would say go a bit further and take a look at their MVP animations too. It offers great insight on their personalities as well.
@@sungrandstudios Awesome glad to hear that
Character designs matter a lot and this is proof. The stark difference in people's reaction to Concord vs Marvel Rivals is clear
As non artist I find this dissection of character design very interesting. Keep it up 👍.
Thank you for enjoying the video! I enjoy admiring these cool designs even as just a gamer and not necessarily from an artistic perspective
I agree. I work in the field that involves very technical writing so this is a nice escape outside of what I do in my regular life.
You can look closely at the 3d models in the training mode.
you can tell the marvel rivals character designs are great because they're what people would usually like to see in art to like and share from its sheer cool factor
Black widow is colored to look like a Black Widow spider. The black with red lines.
Her arm dots are like a stun device that gives her like stun gun punches. Sadly I don’t think they use them in the game. She gets her stun rods instead. People also say her curves help give that spider like body
yes, I was about to comment the same about the spider look, without pushing the design into a sort of "spiderverse" direction. She's very well designed and I think it's my favorite. She is consistent with her classic look, but with just a few details that enhance it and make it more contemporary and thematic. The body shape and bulky forearm weapon are so good.
Yeah those "bulbs" on her belt are mines in the comics , and her wrist armor is her stun guns essentially.
I'm just glad Squirrel Girl is getting some love. I've been a fan for years despite her role as a gag character.
I didn't know her but now I do. She is cool!!
I've just sporadically seen people share comic book covers with her on them an always thought she looked fun, so it's really nice to see her used in such a big game and with a fantastic design.
IM so glad your reviewing this games character designs! Iv been playing this game a bunch and its just fantastic I absolutely the art direction in this game I hope theres an artbook or something in the future.
Nice! At least they do a great job showcasing the art on the website. I'll download the game.
Growing up with comics I saw so many different artists styles. Joe MAD quickly became my favorite artist and these character designs mimic his art style. I LOVE IT. I would definitely buy it if I was into hero shooters. 🤘🏽❤️
His designs in Battle Chasers: Nightwar are also top notch, good game too.
Bruh...it's free, try it out homie
@@METAL-ADDICT I'm not big on Hero Shooters but I tried this for a few minutes and spent several hours learning all the heroes by accident.
Just look3d up Joe Mad's art...theres NO way he isn't the lead character designer on this game. I REFUSE to believe it😂
@@no.1spidey-fan182 he is the CEO of his own company -Airship Syndicate. They have quite a lot of games released, Battle chasers, Ruined King, Darksiders and recently Wayfinder.
These are some of the coolest videos on YT - it's a really humble tutorial in art design/critique, and especially palatable for people that don't have the same level of expertise.
Thank you for the content
I agree. I learn so much from this channel.
Man, that was a great intro 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for enjoying that!
12:42 "kidney window" my new favorite phrase
Guess it's the new fashion these days.
Great recommendation to make that area blue
@galadrigal7644 I'd rather them just take away the blue stripe running through it, because that's not supposed to be just some random patch of web pattern, that's supposed to be his belt. It only looks odd in that manner because it's divided, which most modern Spider-Man designs really like to do for sone reason. I think the belt is a key facet of the character design, and would like it to simply be more visually clear, rather than removed entirely.
@@brycebitetti1402 I think the un-belt design started with the MCU.
MCU design + (Garfield's spider-logo x PS huge spider style) = Rivals
I think the kidney window helps to...reflect?...mirror?...the red on his fist and the overall costume. When the kidney windows was blued, it gave the impression of a solid blue center with red bits slotted in. With the kidney window red, it gives the impression of a solid red suit with a blue oversleeve.
Nice analysis. I liked the way that the highlights on the silhouetted versions of the characters directed the eye back to the character in the foreground. Excellent craft all around. 👍
And I think this is one rare, recent video that we can all watch with a big smile and enjoyment on our face. That's what games are about.
one details that are not mentioned here is that squirrel girl's slingshot used all the colors on her costume, the brown on the branch, the white under the branch, the orange on the knots, and even the gray on the patch, what a masterful design.
nerding out over gesture and shapes is peak artist moment, i can relate too well to it, good stuff.
i remember when I first opened this game, the first thing i thought was.. "i wonder what Sungrand thinks about these designs" haha I'm so glad you decided to make a video about it, you point out and see things I couldn't find myself and give me the ability to appreciate the art work even more. amazing video man!
When I first opened the characters ingame, I was like "okay here's a photo, what about the ingame model?" and then I realised it was the ingame model, it was so good too, the visual style mimicing drawing, what a great art style.
Between the characters, their abilities and voice lines (especially those between different characters) really shows that the devs really do know and care about each individual characters background and overall style. Enough creative liberties to show off their own style but not so much that it's unrecognizable.
The game has so much high quality in all the aspects that matter.
I really enjoy your videos in general, but it is great to see your positive side. Recently there is so much to cover that slants towards the negative and I respect you for covering it. You do it justice and handle it with class, but too much of that can eat away at my mood. Seeing you gush about something with your expertise is a treat. It also shows a side of you I didn't know before this video, which means I need to watch more of your stuff.
In short: Great work. Your excitement is contagious because you articulate what makes something special. As an amateur artist (hobbyist) it's also very helpful!
I have no interest in this kind of genre nor in MOST Marvel characters and yet, these character designs are making me want to try the game out.
That's definitely a sign of a great job. Concord's character designs had the opposite effect so I didn't even touch it and it was actually a genre I was more familiar with and casually interested in.
Thanks for sharing that. I agree. This isn't the genre of game I play but I will definitely try it.
what? but concord and rivals are in the same genre, Hero Shooters
@@johnpauljonesisabadass8134 Oh? Even better then. I thought this was going to be another attempt at one of those cheaper online games like the ones who were tried with the DC Universe as well.
@@TheDezembro what genre did you think marvel rivals was? It's literally an overwatch reskin, go play it lmao. It's genuinely fun
@@johnpauljonesisabadass8134 " Hero Shooter Genre" exist
You: "It's Overwatch reskin dude "
LMAO
See that Western Devs, that's how you made PEAK character design
The way the characters look tho is from an American artist... Peach momoko does do the outfit designs tho...
Made by netease's newly opened WESTERN studio. Just saying.
look up "thaddeus sasser", this western dev is perfectly capable lol
I really enjoy these videos you're making guy. Keep it up.
Jerrell, insightful and interesting as always, thank you. Yes! Do more on Marvel RIvals (i played a bit on the weekend). With 33 heroes on release the game is going off. What I like about the design in this game is that it brings in its own style to what is almost anime in its look but is faithful to the original Marvel source material. Please do a breakdown of "Jeff The Land Shark" and "Cloak and Dagger" next? Also, if you are playing on PC, it's around a 40GB download, 70GB install.
Thanks for the head's up. I saw land shark!!! I don't know him but I like him already.
squirrel girl is absolutely GYAATTT
I love these videos you do about character design. I'm no artist, but really enjoy looking at character designs and what does or doesn't work. You professional insights are very interesting and help me understand more about why I do or don't like different designs. Now for my takes:
That Loki design is fantastic! A really good, unique, take on the character, whilst keeping all the base elements of his costume. The fur was a very nice touch. It's a very royal look, that ties into how he see's himself as the rightful king of Asgard, whilst also invoking colder climates, which references his backstory as a frost giant. Easy 10/10 from me.
Wolverine is a decent idea that I personally don't think was very well executed. My biggest problem is less with the costume itself, but more with the fact that his hands and arms are ludicrously, comically, huge. That, combined with the collar on the jacket, make it look like he has no neck, which is very off-putting. I get they're going for more exaggerated proportions, but I think they really overdid it on Wolverine. I do kind of like what they were going for with combining the casual jacket look, with the colours and aesthetics of his comic book suit. There's a good idea there, that's buried under the weird gorilla proportions. 4/10
Spiderman is ok, but I agree with you that less is more with him. I think there's a bit too much blue on his costume, and removing the bits on his hands would probably have been enough to tone that down a bit. Otherwise, not bad though. Not my favorite interpretation of the suit, but nowhere near the worst I've seen either. 5/10
Thor is pretty good. He suffers from the same lack of neck issue as Wolverine, but to a lesser extent, due to the lack of collar. His hands are also much more proportionate to his arms, and the exaggerated proportions are overall much better executed here. My biggest complaint is the lack of a cape. That's a big element to his costume, which is just completely absent, and I'm not liking that. Giving him his red cape would probably have solved the issue of not having enough red on his costume. Also, the hammer is the same colour as the armour on his chest, which makes it kind of blend into his torso in that picture. 6/10
Iron Man is pretty great. Maybe a little bit too much bulk around the arc reactor area, but otherwise, no real complaints from me. Solid 8/10.
Black Widow is overall nice. That hairstyle is getting a bit too dangerously close to the SJW "shaved on one side" haircut, (that I absolutely loathe with a passion on female characters) but I love her suit design. I like the red accents, that resemble the markings of actual black widow spiders. Change the haircut to something less modern and cringe, and this would be an easy 10/10. As is, I'll give it 8/10. (Yes I hate the SJW haircut that much. That awful design fad needs to stay in 2014, where it belongs. Make women feminine again.)
I'm not very familiar with squirrel girl, but that's a pretty nice, short-stack style, design. Good balance between sexy and cool. She looks pretty strong, without looking like a man in drag, and no SJW haircut in sight. Your interesting insights just made me appreciate the design even more. Very cute design, I like it. 10/10
I love the art!!!! Welcome back marvel!!
Yeah!!! They did a great job!
Everyone looks sick in this game. And all the DLC costumes are awesome too. If anything Wolverine is the most polarizing, but he has a traditional costume available in the store for those that can't stand it.
I just finished TB Skyen yap about this for 1.5 hours and here I am about to watch more. Love these videos on character design.
Sungrad "the character design for squirrel girl is perfect", rule 34 agrees
Wolverine actually has his Deadpool x Wolverine movie, which is far closer to his original design. It costs money but you can look at it for free, I recommend viewing it with his unique MVP screen. They nailed the comic designs here very well and I considered buying that skin, despite not being a Wolverine fan myself.
Ahhh nice, I'll download the game and have a look.
the art style is just 👌
0:10 Soul Dimension!
There's no coffee in here.
Dude. I never was interested in these kind of clips. But you made me interested in it. Damn, you're a great speaker. When you're excited, you INFECT anyone with the same excitement. When you switched to Thor I was like "YEP that guy was right" before you even said it haha 😂 You're a great guy. Thanks for your great content and all the best wishes for you, Mr. Dulay.
Rivals has been incredibly fun for me and I too truly enjoy the character designs.I personally would like to see you look at more of the characters. Keep up the good work brother 👍🏽
Thank you! Okay, I'll download the game.
My favourite thing about the art style in Rivals is the sketchy lines on the 3D models. I'm a beginner with Blender so it might just be some sort of custom grease pencil, but the fact that the strokes change as the model moves or turns around is really cool (and also obviously the direction they went with visual effects are also extremely stylish)
Loved seeing you gush over these great designs! Would love to see a part two on this game, as I think it’s nice to praise great design and hear your thoughts, especially in this day and age of flops!
I hate to ask you to take the time to do this to you Mister Dulay, but I am a gamedev too and I'm trying to learn character design, and I find your character design analysis extremely insightful. I know you just wanted to do a quick video with a handful of these Marvel Rivals characters but.... could you please analyze _all_ of them? Maybe a few at a time? I am really interested to hear your takes on them. Maybe rate them too?
Thank you for everything.
I really love the insight you give us when looking at character design, and what the character designer might be thinking when creating certain elements of the costume.
Really love this video!
as a concept art student, I love listening and learning from your lectures :D
I'm glad to hear from you! I hope these videos can be helpful to you.
i've been loving this game recently. character design is something i take for granted and don't think about often but your knowledge on the subject makes me appreciate it even more. it's truly fascinating. thank you for all you do
As an artist I don’t work in a digital medium (yet…) but videos like this really give me good things to think about when I am designing and composing my own artwork.
Much appreciated!
So great to see your professional and upbeat take on a fresh new game! And very educational, I will be looking at characters with a more informed eye for cohesion, flow and shape. Something I can appreciate even as a total layman for the craft.
This is an outstanding video to show what good character design looks like. The beginning was also fun. I’m waiting for the video where we get to learn about the mug collection.
Thank you for enjoying the video. The mug collection reveal is inbound, then the story behind the mugs at 100k.
With the exception being Black Widow... who hardly ever is even seen as a sniper which they shoehorned her into being because they lacked a proper sniper character. She mostly is melee and gadget based with some usage of firearms.
That makes sense. I was wondering why she had a sniper rifle.
Black Widow was quite often depicted with sniper rifle. It's not as iconic as her Widow bites, but still.
That is straight up untrue. There's even multiple covers with her holding a sniper rifle. She doesn't use it as often as her batons (which she also has in-game) but it's not "hardly ever". She's an assassin.
She's an assassin
It makes sense for her to be a sniper tbh
It's just that sniping in comics isn't really that flashy or cool
Its probably because making her playstyle mid range while taking on Hulk, Wolverine, etc. would be goofy
Thanks for interesting and valuable video as always ❤
25:45 They're clasps. The ones on his shoulders are to attach a cape that he is clearly not wearing, a noted reflection to Loki's design.
I hope we get a cloaked version one day
You should do this comparison in game as the heroes change in gameplay when they use abilities, Wolverines hair for example goes more in the spikey side as in comics when he uses abilities
This is what Marvel vs Capcom Infinite should've looked like.
Aww that would have been great.
Oof
I loved this video so much!! I've been addicted to it since it came out and I absolutely love the character designs.
Psylock is one of my all time fav characters and they think they did a fantastic job with her look.
I'll download the game and have a look. I always liked the way she used her energy to form weapons. So cool.
Hi again Jerrel,
First I love the boldness of the art style and designs of the characters, Even though some of the designs aren't really my cup of tea I can appreciate its nailed a certain style and I think its very cool. And that's what you want with character design - that you nail the "cool" factor. You look at some games recently where the character designs haven't been as strong such as Concord and we aren't seeing the "cool factor" that helps a character resonate with players.
With Marvel Rivals one thing that absolutely baffles me is the callout shot for Wolverine: he doesn't have his claws popped. Unless I'm missing something like a rollover or select state animation where he pops his claws, but if not I think this may be the first time I have ever seen a callout shot of Wolverine for any comic cover, poster, game, show or movie where he hasn't got his claws out. It's so synonymous with his character, iconic and instantly recognisable. It's well known in character design that a good character design should usually be recognisable by their silhouette - turn this callout shot all black and you can probably guess its Wolvie by his proportions and frame, but whack 6 claws coming out the hands and you know who it is instantly.
Same as you Jerrel one of the first things I noticed was that it would have been really nice to have some yellow in his boots to tie in with the jacket and the original design. Keep the tongue silver to tie in with the claws and the soles blue to tie in with the shoulder pads, but add in some yellow to the side panels or as you suggested the trim - to me that would look more unified.
Last thing, its a small detail but whenever I have done artwork of Wolvie, I have given him a Canadian Maple Leaf belt buckle. Wolvie is a proud Canucklehead and I think its cool to show more of a narrative element to the character rather than a cheap and easy "W" for Wolverine for his buckle. To me its totally out of his character to wear something like that.
But I love the uniqueness and boldness of this games art design. As someone who is a massive Joe Madureira fan - Joe had a massive Manga and anime influence to his art when he worked on X-Men comics back in the 90's. Joe made himself a massive fanbase with his unique takes on the characters, but there were others who really didn't like Joe's style, so I can see this game having it's fans and ppl it wont resonate with.
Anyway, another great character design video! Thanks!
Also forgot to add, that nut shaped belt buckle for Squirrel Girl is an absolutely beautiful touch to her design, got to agree that is a top tier character design!
Insightful as always, the more I watch your videos, the more interested I become in learning all the intricacies of character design
first video I saw of this fellow I was like...wtf is going on?
and once you get 'it'?
This man is the sole deliverer of absolute zero chilled burns I didn't know I wanted/needed.
Hahaha thank you for watching and enjoying my videos. I'm happy to bring some laughs and chill vibes to my fellow gamers.
12:35 A little touch can make a big difference, good job👍 i love it❤️
25:44 I think it was when, in Thor's first movie, Odin strips those kinds of buttons off his armor, taking something like his "divinity" away, not being able to lift Mjolnir anymore
i really like that you can pretty much guess what role the character plays by design
The fact that we're here means he never discovered how to use the Thanos cup!
I'm trying to figure it out by winging it but it's not going great so far.
I agree. They should've given Wolverine an X not a W. 🙃
Haha that would make sense actually.
Well, he already has 3 Xs on the jacket. XD
He has X patches on the jacket
x on both his arm
X on both his shoes
Big X on the back of his jacket
Lmao
@@lag00n54 Lmao too many X's already I guess. 😅
These are always the kinds of videos I look for when a new game drops and your channel has become my go too for it. keep up the great vids man!
these character design analysis videos are my favorite from you
The trim on Squirrel girl's shorts, boots and jacket brings it all together.
I enjoy you calm approach to criticism, really like the chill vibes you give. Something I haven’t seen you do yet, and perhaps you have in a video I have not seen, is show your own character designs. I’d like to see what you’ve done, as an enjoyer of your content, but would also like some credibility added to your portfolio. Take care man.
squirrel is indeed peak character design
Intro was epic bro. 🤣
Hahaha thanks for having a laugh with the intro
Oh man that Infinity Gauntlet mug goes hard
34:23 That design there reminds me of Spider-Man chest symbol! Which is funny considering widow based her stingers on his webshooters so her borrowing another design element is in character😂
Need the full character roster review - your insight and takes were enjoyable to listen to.
hope next time u look at the models in game u can also inspect them and rotate them and everything in game there is even a training mode.
I haven't downloaded the game yet. Working on it!
@@sungrandstudios that's fine i was just saying for next time because a lot of these games have model viewers these days. love ur work btw
Wolverine: the job of the artist is to guide the viewer eyes to where they want to where they want main attraction of the piece to be so there isn't always the need to spread all the color all over the design. For Wolverine, that is his iconic claw and beast like face expression which is all focus on his upper half, that why the most vibrant color of the design was all focus on his upper half with the vibrant Yellow and Blue shoulder pad and the rest mainly his leg and feet is more dull color and don't have any vibrant accent on them. Another note is the jack was design base off his iconic hero costume, you can even see the stripe on side of jacket, if he zip it up, it would be like his iconic suit. Also the pick of jacket was great as Wolverine are often seen wearing jacket a lot, like that is his go to style. Lastly i love that they add the thing where his claw come out, while more modern Wolverine depiction don't have that but they add that in give that extra focus on his claw and make more sense for the pose as well
Whoever is responsible for thier overall art design and menu animations needs a raise
May be reaching, but I feel the emphasis of the black of Spider-Man's trim is to highlight his relationship with Venom, with Team Ups being a big mechanic in this game. Contrast it with the white spider of PlayStation Spider-Man.
The art team absolutely killed it with this game.
Didnt expect to watch the whole vid but did really great discussion on character art
45:22 "Its like comparing a Toddler's scribblings...to the 16th CHAPEL"
That is the wildest BURN I've heard in a while😭💀
I fricking LOVE artist who talks to his own mind. Grest vids!!
In game if you go through this hero tab they all have animated intros and they explode out of their character card when you hover them. A lot of TLC went into animations for intros and stuff even at just the menus.
I actually want to get into character design for video games and I want some tips on what I can do to get a job in this field?
You didn't notice all the color scheme of her tail (3-4 colors), which was expressed to her overall outfit from top to bottom. That bump up Squirrel Girl from SSS to SSS+
Wow I enjoyed watching that, I appreciate you sharing your insight on character design!
hope Marvel Rivals character designer won't get in trouble with HR
You need to review the heroes again but from within the game itself.
I'll do that, thanks for asking!
@@sungrandstudios Nice, it can be interesting to see the differences between the official artwork and the actual models in-game. Sometimes they end up looking better, and sometimes it's far worse in motion.
Love these videos. Looking forward to the next one
Character design analysis is entertaining in itself but also very valueable to someone learning art and character design such as myself and many others. Can't wait for a part 2, 3, 4 and maybe 5!
Thank you for watching and enjoying. I'm glad to be able to help you. I'll keep up the analysis video format.
Great video, I'm not into live service games but those characters look awesome.
Thank you. This isn't the kind of game I usually play but since it is free, I'll give it a try.
I agree with the thumbnail. I'm obsessed with this game.
Part 2, bro. These videos are relaxing to watch. Thanks again 🙏
As bad as it is. I'm glad Concord came out. It really gave us a real example why bad character design can ruin a game.