Returning to this review after paddling my M Scorch for a season. Gotta say a lot of this rings very true to me still. The way I describe this boat is it feels like a creeker made for people used to half slices. Leaning forward really is rewarding in most situations, and keeps the tail from catching so often. . . Coming from the Ripper, this feels way more friendly with more primary stability and the bow stays so high. Bouncing off of rocks is consistent and rarely catches me off guard. . . This quickly became my go-to boat for all the gnarly runs this season. :) Thanks for the great content, Wade! Happy Paddling!
yeah will see if have time I have a lot traveling coming up so will try to put something together Like i did for the steeze like a final thoughts video...
Great video Wade. I'd love to see your review of the Scorch medium and X. I also value when you rate boats 1-10 in as many categories as possible. Thanks man.
I hope Pyranha hooks you up with boats, you give the best reviews. The design of this one has me intrigued. I have an old Burn and have loved it, but this one has me itching for an update.
I try to be fair and unbiased with all the brands ZET Waka Verus Jackson Dagger Pyranha Thanks for watching... This would be a modern upgrade from that Burn
Great review. I like that you are describing more of your experience both while paddling and after, as opposed to some of your earlier reviews that had less talking. I’m a little surprised the tail was that “grabby” given that you are barely in the weight range for the Lg. Might really be noticeable for peeps in center or top of range. Did stern remind you of Alpha at all?
Hey thanks feedback yeah I wanted to add little more in there at the end and I think it was like it’s not really floating under as much because I’m on so much of the lighter side it when I got more forward it felt like it help but this boat was designed to drive off that aggressive tail so I think it’s just a tune in process it’s a very different feeling boat
The video's inset shows the width as 27", as do a number of reviews and dealer websites. The Pyranha website says 25.5", which is what I got when I measured mine. Could be that there was an erroneous release of specs early on.
Wow I never noticed that but yeah I pulled the specs off the Pyranha page if it’s changed I don’t know and i did not measure the boat to verify anything that’s a lot to be off by
Hello Wade Please say always something about sizing during your reviews. For me as an intermediate skilled, 182lbs paddler, for many boats I am always between the M and L. So I do not know what to choose ? Of course it also depends on what for rivers and runs but maybe you can fit all parameters a little bit together.
I do cover size on how I fit and what I think would be good size for the boat I’m also 185 and puts me a lot of times in between M and L so I do try my beat to cover the size of the boat and even throw the manufacturer’s specs up I covered it in the walkthrough of the on water review
This boat looks so sick!!! I'm not in the market for a creek boat atm, but if I do need one, this is at the top of the list. How do you feel about a halfslice version? I would love that, although the ripper is still going strong
HalfSlice the options I like the ripper rewind as 2 of the top and the Antix 2 and chilli are second but honestly they all all so good as far as paddling downriver it comes down to how much play you want on the tail and that goes Antix 2 and rewind downriver smoothness ripper and chili
Wade, what size Klingon skirt do you have? I have a large Scorch on order and they are out of Klingon skirts in my size locally. Pyranha doesn't have a cockpit size listed yet and I see some of their other large models take XL or XXL skirts. Thanks for any suggestion so I can get on the water day 1. Your video has me stoked.
If paddling Pyranha boats only you can get away with XL skirts I wouldn't go XXL mine is just a L size cockpit and it fits tight but I still can make it work
@@WadeHarrison That would be great! You say below the Code is a different concept, both are planning hulled 9 foot boats with edges, very interested in seeing the difference, in the market for a new boat, have a long term trial of an OG, Loving it but not in a position to get it on decent water with local restrictions.
@@WadeHarrison what size code did you paddle? Seems like you and I would be a M in both boats. If the stern is catchy on the large I'd be a mess in a medium but I'm not a good boater. Code seems more forgiving similar to the mamba and a good intermediate and novice boat (which is what I need haha).
Thanks for the video Wade ... Here in Chile we really like to surf whenever possible in our creek kayak, and I would like to ask you if you find that it surfs better than the Burn or similarly?
@@WadeHarrison Thank you, I still detect that it is only your appreciation for the flat helmet, but once you try them surfing, tell me how it behaves when surfing.
Hey Wade, awesome video I am a big fan of you. I am going to buy a scorch, but I don't know which size (M or L). I am 5´11 and 190-195lbs usually running WW IV rivers. I don´t have the possibility to try them out. So far I paddled Wawe sport diesel 70, great boat and ZET Toro, good boat but hard to turn it on a dime. What would you recommend?
Go medium the large is big but not massive at my heaviest I got up to 210lb over the winter and the scorch M handles that weight fine i usually can go back and forth between M and L but with this boat M is spot on
@@WadeHarrison Totally! I like the idea of driving off the tail if needed/wanted. I guess what I meant was did you find either a seat position or body position where the tail was only in play when you wanted it to be? Also do you feel like this is a boat for advanced paddlers only or is there room for a intermediate paddler to grow in it.
@@brianwruck622 I’m in the medium and I’m able to use that tail pretty good and yes I feel this design is advanced to expert type of boat someone could learn in it but think it’s more suited for someone wanting to step up their game
Difficult to give a straight answer on that one I always suggest demoing both if possible all I can tell you if I had to choose only one I’m going scorch it just feels little more polished design but the Gnarvana is really good so seriously can’t go wrong either way
What is the difference between a creek boat and a river runner? My Wife wants a boat and I want to buy her one before she changes her mind, ha ha, she loves tight turns and maneuvering. She wants something with more volume than say an antix, what do I want to look at, I don't know the difference? I do everything in my half slice...
Well that question has a few answers but I will just talk about this boat and it’s what I would say it a River running Creeker but traditionally thinking boats like the machno and nomads those are true creekers rounded off bows soft edges for sliding over rocks but nowadays manufacturers have blended the worlds together better I think this is more like a fast flowing downriver boat more suitable for big water type runs where say like the machno is better for rock boofs and soft landings no surprise edges ect hope that helps
So pyrahna lists the large scorch width at 25.5 on the website. I'm guessing that is a mistake? Did either this one or the medium paddle like they were the same width or thinner than the GOAT (listed at 25.6)? I see your specs say this one is 27in wide.
Yeah this was a preproduction spec I didn’t measure the boats I just posted what Pyranha had up on their site in hindsight I should have got my tape out and verify the width I can tell you paddling both they both the L doesn’t feel like it’s that wide my guess Pyranha measured from rail to rail the width is in the side walls on the L
Go check the scorch M walkthrough and you will see the update specs from Pyranha I got those confirmed from Pyranha here is a link where I compare the M and L ruclips.net/video/e61LJOdpFuM/видео.html
Hey Paul that's a day touring style boat and I can tell you that's one of the best day touring boats out there I paddled the Stratos a lot the 12.5 is has more rock garden and the 14.5 is more slow moving rivers and all round lake and off shore
@@WadeHarrison it is so sick! I have been dialing it in and wow it’s fun! The hull is a thing of beauty and the way it comes off of drops is just money!
Supposedly, the X goes off the medium mold... it's just longer for speed to compensate for the extreme forward rocker that slows you down. The large is designed for the bigger paddler. We'll have to wait and see the exact spec sheet though.
@@pharma37 I heard from Next Adventure that they were taking pre-orders on the X and they were offering outfitting in S/M or M/L inside the same shell.
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Returning to this review after paddling my M Scorch for a season. Gotta say a lot of this rings very true to me still.
The way I describe this boat is it feels like a creeker made for people used to half slices. Leaning forward really is rewarding in most situations, and keeps the tail from catching so often. . . Coming from the Ripper, this feels way more friendly with more primary stability and the bow stays so high. Bouncing off of rocks is consistent and rarely catches me off guard. . . This quickly became my go-to boat for all the gnarly runs this season. :)
Thanks for the great content, Wade! Happy Paddling!
Well glad to hear that I’m always wanting to improve and try to convey my reviews to get better thanks for the feedback
Wade I really appreciate it when you do the overview after your done with the runs. Great job!
yeah will see if have time I have a lot traveling coming up so will try to put something together Like i did for the steeze like a final thoughts video...
@@WadeHarrison sounds like a plan
@@WadeHarrison appreciate your response
Really enjoyed the video Wade! Can't wait to get in one of those!
Thanks for watching
Surely you need a Hi-N-Dry rolling aid to run the Cascades? Safety first, Wade! ;P That 'Woo!' around 6:50 is what we're here for!
Wooo! The Hi and Dry next review lol
Wait actually that's pretty funny video I'm looking for one right now!
@@WadeHarrison haha, looking forward to it!!
Nice commentary and interesting to hear you working the boat out in real time
Hey thanks buddy I usually talk to myself while paddling so figured i would just start filming it
Great video Wade. I'd love to see your review of the Scorch medium and X.
I also value when you rate boats 1-10 in as many categories as possible. Thanks man.
thanks for the feedback and yes I will keep on about getting the m and for sure the X
Pretty cool. Definitely going to have to check that one out for my next creeker.
yeah its different then what's out there right now for sure worth a look
that was fun!
Yes it was
Looks sweet! Can't wait for you to get in a medium so I can try and decide if it's for me at 170 suited up.
hopefully will get a med soon
Looks fun!
This things a blast to paddle!
I hope Pyranha hooks you up with boats, you give the best reviews. The design of this one has me intrigued. I have an old Burn and have loved it, but this one has me itching for an update.
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This would be a modern upgrade from that Burn
Good video love it
Thanks Kieran
Great review. I like that you are describing more of your experience both while paddling and after, as opposed to some of your earlier reviews that had less talking. I’m a little surprised the tail was that “grabby” given that you are barely in the weight range for the Lg. Might really be noticeable for peeps in center or top of range. Did stern remind you of Alpha at all?
Hey thanks feedback yeah I wanted to add little more in there at the end and I think it was like it’s not really floating under as much because I’m on so much of the lighter side it when I got more forward it felt like it help but this boat was designed to drive off that aggressive tail so I think it’s just a tune in process it’s a very different feeling boat
Just got mine yesterday. So stoked.
Oh yeah comment on what you think when you give it a go buddy
Thanks for picking one up, Elliott!
Great video Wade !
thanks hunter!
@@WadeHarrisonwhat’s your opinion running in the mank / rocks ? That’s a lot of what we have unless we get a damn down pour
@@huntergipson3447 going to be posting something on that soon stay tuned
The video's inset shows the width as 27", as do a number of reviews and dealer websites. The Pyranha website says 25.5", which is what I got when I measured mine. Could be that there was an erroneous release of specs early on.
Wow I never noticed that but yeah I pulled the specs off the Pyranha page if it’s changed I don’t know and i did not measure the boat to verify anything that’s a lot to be off by
That is so cool dude creek boat scorch playbot Jed/ozone slice boat ripper and rewind what more could you want.
Yh, so many great boats atm. Pyranha's line up is solid as well. They do everything
Yeah pretty good lineup
@@jamesshort6856 yeeee they do
Hello Wade
Please say always something about sizing during your reviews. For me as an intermediate skilled, 182lbs paddler, for many boats I am always between the M and L. So I do not know what to choose ? Of course it also depends on what for rivers and runs but maybe you can fit all parameters a little bit together.
I do cover size on how I fit and what I think would be good size for the boat I’m also 185 and puts me a lot of times in between M and L so I do try my beat to cover the size of the boat and even throw the manufacturer’s specs up I covered it in the walkthrough of the on water review
This boat looks so sick!!! I'm not in the market for a creek boat atm, but if I do need one, this is at the top of the list. How do you feel about a halfslice version? I would love that, although the ripper is still going strong
HalfSlice the options I like the ripper rewind as 2 of the top and the Antix 2 and chilli are second but honestly they all all so good as far as paddling downriver it comes down to how much play you want on the tail and that goes Antix 2 and rewind downriver smoothness ripper and chili
Wade, what size Klingon skirt do you have? I have a large Scorch on order and they are out of Klingon skirts in my size locally. Pyranha doesn't have a cockpit size listed yet and I see some of their other large models take XL or XXL skirts. Thanks for any suggestion so I can get on the water day 1. Your video has me stoked.
If paddling Pyranha boats only you can get away with XL skirts I wouldn't go XXL mine is just a L size cockpit and it fits tight but I still can make it work
Great review, would love to see it compared to the Dagger Code. I get the impression the Code may be a little more forgiving
Yh, the code to me looks like a machno with edges, and the scorch is more like a modern burn
If I can get the production one I will do a comparison video right now there ls a hold up on the code but it’s still coming out at some point
@@WadeHarrison That would be great! You say below the Code is a different concept, both are planning hulled 9 foot boats with edges, very interested in seeing the difference, in the market for a new boat, have a long term trial of an OG, Loving it but not in a position to get it on decent water with local restrictions.
Oh yeah
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Would be interesting to know how you think it compares with the 9R2 and the Dagger Code.
paddles similar to the 9R2 but has smoother style down river to it and way different then the code that boat is just a different design concept
@@WadeHarrison what size code did you paddle? Seems like you and I would be a M in both boats. If the stern is catchy on the large I'd be a mess in a medium but I'm not a good boater. Code seems more forgiving similar to the mamba and a good intermediate and novice boat (which is what I need haha).
Thanks for the video Wade ...
Here in Chile we really like to surf whenever possible in our creek kayak, and I would like to ask you if you find that it surfs better than the Burn or similarly?
Oh for sure better I had a burn 2 and 1 I never paddled the 3 but this is a very good surfing boat with this ripper style hull trust me!
@@WadeHarrison Thank you, I still detect that it is only your appreciation for the flat helmet, but once you try them surfing, tell me how it behaves when surfing.
Hey Wade, awesome video I am a big fan of you. I am going to buy a scorch, but I don't know which size (M or L). I am 5´11 and 190-195lbs usually running WW IV rivers. I don´t have the possibility to try them out. So far I paddled Wawe sport diesel 70, great boat and ZET Toro, good boat but hard to turn it on a dime. What would you recommend?
Go medium the large is big but not massive at my heaviest I got up to 210lb over the winter and the scorch M handles that weight fine i usually can go back and forth between M and L but with this boat M is spot on
Would love a river like that around me...Sadly only slow moving rivers. Though would these be fun on that kind of river?
yeah this one runs a lot its still 3 hours from me but so worth it.
Thanks for all the great content! After adjusting the seat forward was the tail still in play?
I just use the tail to my advantage
@@WadeHarrison Totally! I like the idea of driving off the tail if needed/wanted. I guess what I meant was did you find either a seat position or body position where the tail was only in play when you wanted it to be?
Also do you feel like this is a boat for advanced paddlers only or is there room for a intermediate paddler to grow in it.
@@brianwruck622 I’m in the medium and I’m able to use that tail pretty good and yes I feel this design is advanced to expert type of boat someone could learn in it but think it’s more suited for someone wanting to step up their game
@@WadeHarrison thanks for your feedback!!!
Thanks Wade. How are you finding the carbon katana by the way? I’m based in Europe so thinking of getting one!
The trips I have had in it the paddle has been seriously amazing will do a follow up maybe in the next few days
After paddling this boat for a while now, where did you end up leaving the seat position? Back, middle, or forward? Still trying to dial mine in.
I have the medium and it fits me perfectly the large was more edgy I really like how the medium feels
And I keep it right in the center on the medium
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Thanks Paul
I'm about to buy my first boat, which do you recommend, Scorch or Gnarvana? thank you.
Difficult to give a straight answer on that one I always suggest demoing both if possible
all I can tell you if I had to choose only one I’m going scorch it just feels little more polished design but the Gnarvana is really good so seriously can’t go wrong either way
What is the difference between a creek boat and a river runner? My Wife wants a boat and I want to buy her one before she changes her mind, ha ha, she loves tight turns and maneuvering. She wants something with more volume than say an antix, what do I want to look at, I don't know the difference? I do everything in my half slice...
Well that question has a few answers but I will just talk about this boat and it’s what I would say it a River running Creeker but traditionally thinking boats like the machno and nomads those are true creekers rounded off bows soft edges for sliding over rocks but nowadays manufacturers have blended the worlds together better I think this is more like a fast flowing downriver boat more suitable for big water type runs where say like the machno is better for rock boofs and soft landings no surprise edges ect hope that helps
So do you prefer the large or the medium 2 years later?
This one coloradokayak.com/products/pyranha-scorch?ref=wade&variant=41069491159216
So pyrahna lists the large scorch width at 25.5 on the website. I'm guessing that is a mistake? Did either this one or the medium paddle like they were the same width or thinner than the GOAT (listed at 25.6)? I see your specs say this one is 27in wide.
Yeah this was a preproduction spec I didn’t measure the boats I just posted what Pyranha had up on their site in hindsight I should have got my tape out and verify the width I can tell you paddling both they both the L doesn’t feel like it’s that wide my guess Pyranha measured from rail to rail the width is in the side walls on the L
Go check the scorch M walkthrough and you will see the update specs from Pyranha I got those confirmed from Pyranha here is a link where I compare the M and L
ruclips.net/video/e61LJOdpFuM/видео.html
@@WadeHarrison awesome, thanks for clearing that up. Much appreciated.
Im new to kayaking ..one day i wanna get into white water.maybe touring yaks.what do you think of the stratos boats...??
Hey Paul that's a day touring style boat and I can tell you that's one of the best day touring boats out there I paddled the Stratos a lot the 12.5 is has more rock garden and the 14.5 is more slow moving rivers and all round lake and off shore
I was wondering what kind of white water boat would suit a guy weighing around 200 lbs.fun wise as well as most forgiving for pretty much everything ?
@@paulcarver973 Jackson kayaks karma And dagger kayaks nomad Pyranha kayaks machno just to name a few
@@WadeHarrison thankyou sir..you are a well of knowledge..i watched the video where that guys kayak exploded...never seen anything like it..
Would you say this one fits tighter at the knees than the RMX96, Wade?
Yes it’s a lot smaller then the 96 and is a blast to paddle!
@@WadeHarrison Gracias ;-)
How would you compare the Scorch to the Waka OG
Faster and better down river OG has better outfitting and is slower
Great review, how do you think it compares to the Waka OG?
Oh That’s a totally different style boat did you watch my Waka OG walkthrough and review
ruclips.net/video/h9onTx67hGA/видео.html
@@WadeHarrisonI did. and my mind is set on the OG but i got distracted by those shinny grab handles. :)
@@valentimluis give in to the grab handles ;P
Large scorch vs medium scorch?!? I am 170 and have the choice between the two lol what do you recommend?
For sure the medium I would not recommend the large unless getting close to 190+
@@WadeHarrison sick! I’m picking it up tomorrow! So stoked!
@@austinshellhammer5645 awesome buddy let me know what you think
@@WadeHarrison it is so sick! I have been dialing it in and wow it’s fun! The hull is a thing of beauty and the way it comes off of drops is just money!
Looks fast, looks real fast
this one felted faster then the 9R2 to me
I am 240 waiting on the X
Supposedly, the X goes off the medium mold... it's just longer for speed to compensate for the extreme forward rocker that slows you down.
The large is designed for the bigger paddler.
We'll have to wait and see the exact spec sheet though.
@@pharma37 I heard from Next Adventure that they were taking pre-orders on the X and they were offering outfitting in S/M or M/L inside the same shell.
@@Harrison881 hmmm. Very interesting.
that's very interesting indeed??
@@Harrison881 that's news to us!