Zreviews, i gather you still would choose the Ilouds over the kantos? Did u experience any listening fatigue on high on ilouds? heard some reviewers have that issue? I can't decide between these two..
I followed Z's suggestion for the OS10, they are perfect for my room, it has way bigger bass than I thought is possible from that size, after that I upgraded myself to KEF LSX and that's basically my max speaker size limit for my room, it's better, but the bass quantity is definitely less. I got a Polk HTS10 to mitigate that and finally it's a full upgrade. Without the sub, the LSX is not enough of an upgrade.
Bought these, and they sound great for their size. They’re definitely in that “magic” level of price/performance. The auto-crossover when using a sub was what convinced me, but now I’m not sure if I prefer them with my mini sub (Pinnacle Audio 6.5”) or standalone. Just wish they had a grill. Like black because they’re inconspicuous.
I know it's weird I just bought a martinlogan 400 sub to put with my kanto ora and I almost feel like they sound better without the sub maybe it's the crossover point of 100 HZ or it's because I bought a ported sub
@@JASONJAMESMARTIN Make sure you set the crossover on the sub to at least 160hz and try moving it around a bit. You are most likely sitting in a bass null that makes things sound weird.
After viewing many videos, this particular one persuaded me (shoutout to Z). I've just finished setting them up, and wow... the package offers an immense value despite its small size - an outstanding purchase! I'm very pleased and can confidently recommend it!
Ive got several bookshelf setups because i come from no replacement for displacement mentality. However the T0's to date seem to be the most attractive desktop solution to date, and remains my desire. Cant wait to hear an updated comparison from you
Just like to say I bought the klipsch heritage headphones on your recommendation years ago and they are still improving with age thank you,and try yours again soon.
I think you inadvertently might of sold a lot of Iloud Micros with this video, Zeos! They sound absolutely amazing! The Kantos sound great too! I’m now interested in them Swans though! 😎
Thanks for the review, I always come back to your channel when i'm in the market for new audio gear. I got the Matte Gray ones ordered. Now I'm considering maybe grabbing a sub.
@@ZReviews I just opened the comments to see if somebody mentioned the Vanatoo T0 :) I feel lucky you mentioned it few hours ago and even a video is coming. :) I've been investigating speakers for the last 2 month super intensively... I am getting tired of that - hopefully I will buy something soon. I want 2.1 but initially I will buy only 2. I was considering q acoustics m20, audio pro a28, kef lsx (on a black friday deal), the fives, Triangle LN-01A, Vanatoo T0. For now I think I am leaning towards the T0s but lets see. Seems all the "smart" speakers like q acoustics, audio pro, kef even sonos - have terrible ios/androind app experience and all of them have deal breaking flaws in their software/firmware. Also I like good mids which the T0s seems to have and very few from the other options can provide.
@@ZReviews Did you upload the Vanatoo vs Kanto comparison? I did a few searches on the YT channel and couldn't find it. I'm torn between the T0's and ORA's, after deciding the OS-10's might be just a bit too big for my setup, and would like your input after your video guided me to my last speaker purchase (ELAC Debut 6.2).
Edifier mr4 is like 85euros right now (France-EUR) pulled the plug I needed beater speakers when Im working far from home (a couple months a year) still waiting on them but at this price I bet I will be amazed !
ilouds have a DSP as well, doesn't that mean that their audio quality suffers since they get the analog signal and then have to do the converting again?
Interesting desktop option... but fir a $100 more can get some serious active speakers if you can spare the extra space. Also: Frazey Ford - "You Got Religion" is a great track for testing clarity, stability of bass whilst able to reproduce vocals. Would love to hear it in some tests.
You should try a pair of Cambridge Audio Minx Min22's. The BMR drivers are pretty great. I'm biased, I have them, but you do need an amp and a sub. They are the polar opposite of wave guides, BMR's radiate basically in a 180 degree dome shape. Absolutely perfect for near-field, you get a wall of sound and impeccable stereo separation.
Have those paired with a Cambridge Audio sub and sound great. Although not sure how they compare with other ‘micro’ desktop speakers. They are so small I would say they are super micros.
I've been using the Creative GigaWorks T40 Series II since 2009, Apparently these were made by Cambridge Audio for Creative, I'm no Audiophile, but I do appreciate good audio when I hear it, I feel the Gigaworks still sound great compared to more modern offerings if the bass port is stuffed and the EQ is adjusted for bass/treble, their sound has improved massively IMO over time with better sound sources, IE improvements in motherboard audio chipsets or external dac's
I use them with my SMSL SU9 DAC and they sound just as good with a USB connection from my digital source. I did a few hours of A/B testing and to my ears, the SU9 + Ora's really brings energy to my music collection for sure! Very happy with the Ora's. Defo recommended to anyone who can afford them for the desk top!
ZEOS YOU RECENTLY MADE A VIDEO ABOUT THE FOSI AUDIO V3 AND YOU WERE USING YOUR CUSTOM POWER SUPPLY WONDERING WHERE YOU BOUGHT THE POWER CABLE THAT CONNECTED TO THE CUSTON POWER SUPPLY AND THEN TO THE FOSI V3.
They sell the adapters on Amazon. But I also had to use a custom adapter on that adapter to make it the right size but I just happen to have in a drawer. I cut up a Micca speaker cable for the actual wire
Nice speakers Zeos, try the Genlec 8010As to complete the micro monitor line-up, don't bother with the micro Mackies and Presonus, they're just bad.Oh and do you remember how the Edifier Lunas and Vanatoo T0 sounds to compare to these?
Bluetooth is highly compressed digital audio. Apple airplay uses Wi-Fi and is much better quality. Most powered speakers outside of Kef, Sonos, and a few others do not support AirPlay because it cost money to do so. It’s always converted to analog in the end to drive the actual woofer or tweeter.
From the video it just sounds like a VERY pronounced v-shape compared to the Micros. They will sound immediately better of course, given the mid-bass focused nature of small drivers in small boxes; that's also the reason why you're more "impressed" when using them without a sub, their one and only job is now delegated to a dedicated speaker that's made for that purpose, and you start noticing the lack of mids. I don't know if I would spend that much on something that sucks everything out of the music I'm listening to.
Z been a subscriber for a long time. Can I make a recommendation? Measure the hardware, then come up with a rating system. It will be quoted all over the internet. Kinda like RTings for audiophiles. Your channel has been not been growing much over the past couple years and just brainstorming for a new idea. Also I believe your videos need more structure, like a repeatable sequence of how you review things. Then at the end of the video you throw in your guesses for measurements and then perform the test, then you rate the hardware on your personal scale. As of right now as a viewer, I’m just not sure what to expect when I watch a video, it’s just unorganized and I never have anything to look forward to at the end. I think with more structure, plus your personality, you could interest a lot more people (i realize you have a lot of viewers for your genre but it could be way more, every guy on earth is interested in cool ass electronics)
What are you talking about. His knowledge on audio products has nothing to do with his knowledge on video production and subscriber count. I literally made that post because he has 269k subscriber’s and he deserves more. As of right now his channel mostly appeals to hardcore audiophiles, he needs to broaden his audience and work on video production. Maybe you should work on understanding the difference between criticism and constructive criticism. If you must know I’ve been a subscriber for many years and I noticed his growth is stagnant.
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Buy an amp and literally any bookshelf speaker. Cheaper. Better. If you need super small speaker find yourself some used Cambridge Ensembles. The 1s or 2s are tall but shallow. The 3s are just Ok in my opinion. The 4s are legendary. They are a full range single driver cube and have MANY limitations. But might have the most honest and ‘big’ sound of any micro cube speaker ever. Literally everything else that size is worse: the Jamo 360s, the orbs, obviously any of the bose cubes- all much worse. And the ensembles come with a passive subs.
So I've been using passive systems for about 8 years now, and I see myself moving to active monitors for my desktop setup within the next year budget allowing. What advantages do you see for a passive system? I've had some great teacs, miccas, jamos, and Yamahas passive. Currently can afford JBL 305's but saving for some vanatoos or genelecs if a windfall occurs in the next year.
Yawn! I have a proper separate setup in my lounge. When it comes to my PC and casual listening I just want simple speakers with USB C. I hear you but I think you are mixing your use case - with respect
@SilverJoystix bruh u wasted 350$ actually. Had these, wasn't bad but after trying a decent pair of passive speakers I would highest pay 100 dollars for these speakers xd.
This came back up on my feed. The irony is I recently upgraded my desktop system… Kanto Yu Passive 4 plus powered by a Fosi V3 class D amp fed from my Topping DAC. Also have an old Pioneer 8” sub (from the Andrew Jones set) running high level from the Fosi. The Kantos were 150. V3 was $99 (with the 48v psu and the orange knob). Sub I already had but you can find one for less than $100. Dac I already had but you could run an SMSL Dac for $70 or get the Topping DX1 and get a quality headphone amp to boot. In any case this is still a bad value- IF sound quality is the primary motivator. BUT. I have found that powered speakers can be a remarkably good value. We also have a set of Swan OS10 that my wife uses. The Kanto Yup4 sound better than the swans but it’s way closer than it should be considering the swans are $130 on sale. If you could connect a sub to the swans that might make it a tougher sell to go with the more involved setup. Ultimately the OS10s have a more laid back sound that works well on a desk but lacks some of the immediacy I enjoyed about the Kantos. Plus the touch pad and remote are both god awful. But, if you need a simple setup that sounds great and costs best to nothing it’s hard to go wrong.
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Zreviews, i gather you still would choose the Ilouds over the kantos? Did u experience any listening fatigue on high on ilouds? heard some reviewers have that issue? I can't decide between these two..
I followed Z's suggestion for the OS10, they are perfect for my room, it has way bigger bass than I thought is possible from that size, after that I upgraded myself to KEF LSX and that's basically my max speaker size limit for my room, it's better, but the bass quantity is definitely less.
I got a Polk HTS10 to mitigate that and finally it's a full upgrade.
Without the sub, the LSX is not enough of an upgrade.
What did you do with your os10s?😅
@@corpusja I leave it to do TV soundbar job in the Living room.
Bought these, and they sound great for their size. They’re definitely in that “magic” level of price/performance. The auto-crossover when using a sub was what convinced me, but now I’m not sure if I prefer them with my mini sub (Pinnacle Audio 6.5”) or standalone. Just wish they had a grill. Like black because they’re inconspicuous.
I know it's weird I just bought a martinlogan 400 sub to put with my kanto ora and I almost feel like they sound better without the sub maybe it's the crossover point of 100 HZ or it's because I bought a ported sub
@@JASONJAMESMARTIN Make sure you set the crossover on the sub to at least 160hz and try moving it around a bit.
You are most likely sitting in a bass null that makes things sound weird.
After viewing many videos, this particular one persuaded me (shoutout to Z). I've just finished setting them up, and wow... the package offers an immense value despite its small size - an outstanding purchase! I'm very pleased and can confidently recommend it!
Ive got several bookshelf setups because i come from no replacement for displacement mentality. However the T0's to date seem to be the most attractive desktop solution to date, and remains my desire. Cant wait to hear an updated comparison from you
Just like to say I bought the klipsch heritage headphones on your recommendation years ago and they are still improving with age thank you,and try yours again soon.
I think you inadvertently might of sold a lot of Iloud Micros with this video, Zeos! They sound absolutely amazing!
The Kantos sound great too!
I’m now interested in them Swans though! 😎
Thanks for the review, I always come back to your channel when i'm in the market for new audio gear. I got the Matte Gray ones ordered. Now I'm considering maybe grabbing a sub.
Here we go. I’ve been wondering how these compare to my Swam OS-10’s. The sub out definitely works in their favor.
I wanna see these compared to the Vanatoo T0. The Vanatoos might have a slightly larger woofer and tweeter, but they’re close enough
Upcoming
@@ZReviews oh hell yea
@@ZReviews I just opened the comments to see if somebody mentioned the Vanatoo T0 :) I feel lucky you mentioned it few hours ago and even a video is coming. :)
I've been investigating speakers for the last 2 month super intensively... I am getting tired of that - hopefully I will buy something soon. I want 2.1 but initially I will buy only 2.
I was considering q acoustics m20, audio pro a28, kef lsx (on a black friday deal), the fives, Triangle LN-01A, Vanatoo T0.
For now I think I am leaning towards the T0s but lets see.
Seems all the "smart" speakers like q acoustics, audio pro, kef even sonos - have terrible ios/androind app experience and all of them have deal breaking flaws in their software/firmware.
Also I like good mids which the T0s seems to have and very few from the other options can provide.
@@ZReviews Did you upload the Vanatoo vs Kanto comparison? I did a few searches on the YT channel and couldn't find it. I'm torn between the T0's and ORA's, after deciding the OS-10's might be just a bit too big for my setup, and would like your input after your video guided me to my last speaker purchase (ELAC Debut 6.2).
listening to the video on these things. It is incredible what these things can do even without a sub.
Edifier mr4 is like 85euros right now (France-EUR) pulled the plug I needed beater speakers when Im working far from home (a couple months a year) still waiting on them but at this price I bet I will be amazed !
8:52 what song and/or Spotify playlist does this come from?
Bought the iLouds and haven't looked back but it's good to see innovation in the space.
Forget the speakers - I'm loving that 1980s IBM keyboard !
ilouds have a DSP as well, doesn't that mean that their audio quality suffers since they get the analog signal and then have to do the converting again?
I have been debating whether to buy these or the swans os-10 and I haven't seen any videos comparing the two
Interesting desktop option... but fir a $100 more can get some serious active speakers if you can spare the extra space. Also: Frazey Ford - "You Got Religion" is a great track for testing clarity, stability of bass whilst able to reproduce vocals. Would love to hear it in some tests.
You should try a pair of Cambridge Audio Minx Min22's. The BMR drivers are pretty great. I'm biased, I have them, but you do need an amp and a sub. They are the polar opposite of wave guides, BMR's radiate basically in a 180 degree dome shape. Absolutely perfect for near-field, you get a wall of sound and impeccable stereo separation.
Have those paired with a Cambridge Audio sub and sound great. Although not sure how they compare with other ‘micro’ desktop speakers. They are so small I would say they are super micros.
I've been using the Creative GigaWorks T40 Series II since 2009, Apparently these were made by Cambridge Audio for Creative, I'm no Audiophile, but I do appreciate good audio when I hear it, I feel the Gigaworks still sound great compared to more modern offerings if the bass port is stuffed and the EQ is adjusted for bass/treble, their sound has improved massively IMO over time with better sound sources, IE improvements in motherboard audio chipsets or external dac's
Do you like these new Ora more then the Peachtree m24??
When I see a video that has Zeos + Speakers, I click it. 💎
I don't really understand the DSP thing, does this mean they don't work great with RCA cables?
I am still watching the video, but the comparison to the Fiio SP3 is there to?
Allright, finished the video. Completely forgot the Fiio SP3 which are absolutely in that category. So what's the take here?
Solid speakers brighten the Tweeter goes to this 100% bass is probably a draw
I can see some of their other speakers come in interesting colours, so maybe that's a good sign?
Sad that these don't sound good with the RCA input, I would want to use them in conjunction with my headphone amp/preamp. 😕
I use them with my SMSL SU9 DAC and they sound just as good with a USB connection from my digital source. I did a few hours of A/B testing and to my ears, the SU9 + Ora's really brings energy to my music collection for sure! Very happy with the Ora's. Defo recommended to anyone who can afford them for the desk top!
Is that Flare from redo of healer poster at 6:12 lmao, sick video tho my man
Love your audio cave
ZEOS YOU RECENTLY MADE A VIDEO ABOUT THE FOSI AUDIO V3 AND YOU WERE USING YOUR CUSTOM POWER SUPPLY WONDERING WHERE YOU BOUGHT THE POWER CABLE THAT CONNECTED TO THE CUSTON POWER SUPPLY AND THEN TO THE FOSI V3.
They sell the adapters on Amazon. But I also had to use a custom adapter on that adapter to make it the right size but I just happen to have in a drawer. I cut up a Micca speaker cable for the actual wire
Are the vanatoos t0 plus worth the extra money over these for desktop pc gaming? And maybe use on a laptop MacBook Pro
So for those still around... These or the OS-10's for desk use. Please and thanks
Nice speakers Zeos, try the Genlec 8010As to complete the micro monitor line-up, don't bother with the micro Mackies and Presonus, they're just bad.Oh and do you remember how the Edifier Lunas and Vanatoo T0 sounds to compare to these?
Holy sheet he bought an R100🫣
Bluetooth is highly compressed digital audio. Apple airplay uses Wi-Fi and is much better quality. Most powered speakers outside of Kef, Sonos, and a few others do not support AirPlay because it cost money to do so. It’s always converted to analog in the end to drive the actual woofer or tweeter.
So, Kanto Ora or FiiO SP3 or iLoud Micro's?
iLoud Micro's. I have them, I bought the Kanto ORA because I thought I wanted a subwoofer, but the sound out of the iLoud blows the Kanto away.
Please do a Audioengine 2+
Monoprice MTM 100s are $230 right now. The Kantos are cute speakers with a gouge-flation price tag.
yu4 or ora ? thx :) (pc user)
the iloud micros better than the vanatoo t0?
For traveling, yes for audiophile Style listening. Probably not
What's the keyboard you're using here? :)
I don´t know the specific model, but it looks similar to an Epomaker one... maybe that helps
👌
Interesting that you changed the thumbnail. I thought the spike heels was quite evocative.
I have several to choose from
idk man, I ain't paying $350 for tiny speakers.
Ugh, iLoud already $350 🙄
bruh waht is that wall-paperxDD
Whats the song at the very beginning ?
I was wondering that too.
Sauce please
I have been click baited.
better than os-10?
No
Zeos Missing a Jojo's reference smh
From the video it just sounds like a VERY pronounced v-shape compared to the Micros.
They will sound immediately better of course, given the mid-bass focused nature of small drivers in small boxes; that's also the reason why you're more "impressed" when using them without a sub, their one and only job is now delegated to a dedicated speaker that's made for that purpose, and you start noticing the lack of mids.
I don't know if I would spend that much on something that sucks everything out of the music I'm listening to.
Z been a subscriber for a long time. Can I make a recommendation? Measure the hardware, then come up with a rating system. It will be quoted all over the internet.
Kinda like RTings for audiophiles.
Your channel has been not been growing much over the past couple years and just brainstorming for a new idea.
Also I believe your videos need more structure, like a repeatable sequence of how you review things. Then at the end of the video you throw in your guesses for measurements and then perform the test, then you rate the hardware on your personal scale.
As of right now as a viewer, I’m just not sure what to expect when I watch a video, it’s just unorganized and I never have anything to look forward to at the end.
I think with more structure, plus your personality, you could interest a lot more people (i realize you have a lot of viewers for your genre but it could be way more, every guy on earth is interested in cool ass electronics)
What are you talking about. His knowledge on audio products has nothing to do with his knowledge on video production and subscriber count. I literally made that post because he has 269k subscriber’s and he deserves more. As of right now his channel mostly appeals to hardcore audiophiles, he needs to broaden his audience and work on video production. Maybe you should work on understanding the difference between criticism and constructive criticism.
If you must know I’ve been a subscriber for many years and I noticed his growth is stagnant.
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They are ugly but work really well for their size.
Your thumbnail versus the video was disappointing.. =P
I want the princess to make more videos with me
Buy an amp and literally any bookshelf speaker. Cheaper. Better. If you need super small speaker find yourself some used Cambridge Ensembles. The 1s or 2s are tall but shallow. The 3s are just Ok in my opinion. The 4s are legendary. They are a full range single driver cube and have MANY limitations. But might have the most honest and ‘big’ sound of any micro cube speaker ever. Literally everything else that size is worse: the Jamo 360s, the orbs, obviously any of the bose cubes- all much worse. And the ensembles come with a passive subs.
So I've been using passive systems for about 8 years now, and I see myself moving to active monitors for my desktop setup within the next year budget allowing. What advantages do you see for a passive system?
I've had some great teacs, miccas, jamos, and Yamahas passive. Currently can afford JBL 305's but saving for some vanatoos or genelecs if a windfall occurs in the next year.
have you heard of the Nexo ID14?
Yawn! I have a proper separate setup in my lounge. When it comes to my PC and casual listening I just want simple speakers with USB C. I hear you but I think you are mixing your use case - with respect
@SilverJoystix bruh u wasted 350$ actually. Had these, wasn't bad but after trying a decent pair of passive speakers I would highest pay 100 dollars for these speakers xd.
This came back up on my feed. The irony is I recently upgraded my desktop system… Kanto Yu Passive 4 plus powered by a Fosi V3 class D amp fed from my Topping DAC. Also have an old Pioneer 8” sub (from the Andrew Jones set) running high level from the Fosi. The Kantos were 150. V3 was $99 (with the 48v psu and the orange knob). Sub I already had but you can find one for less than $100. Dac I already had but you could run an SMSL Dac for $70 or get the Topping DX1 and get a quality headphone amp to boot. In any case this is still a bad value- IF sound quality is the primary motivator.
BUT. I have found that powered speakers can be a remarkably good value. We also have a set of Swan OS10 that my wife uses. The Kanto Yup4 sound better than the swans but it’s way closer than it should be considering the swans are $130 on sale. If you could connect a sub to the swans that might make it a tougher sell to go with the more involved setup. Ultimately the OS10s have a more laid back sound that works well on a desk but lacks some of the immediacy I enjoyed about the Kantos. Plus the touch pad and remote are both god awful. But, if you need a simple setup that sounds great and costs best to nothing it’s hard to go wrong.
This is unwatchable