Some additional resources for anyone looking at or thinking about using PCTG in their 3D Prints www.cnckitchen.com/blog/essentium-pctg-review www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1bsidso/pctg/ azurefilm.com/2023/10/12/pctg-filaments-everything-you-need-to-know/ nexa3d.com/blog/pctg-vs-petg-whats-the-difference/
More surface hardness combined with higher melting point is actually better for sanding, not worse! I would love to have more infos on potential VOCs because this sounds like ABS filament if it was good 😂
You're absolutely right! Higher surface hardness and melting point can really enhance the sanding process. I’ll definitely look into the VOCs and share more insights soon!
Which properties of ABS do you want? The main draw to ABS/ASA is the high heat deflection temperature combined with low creep under sustained loads while being elastic enough to deal with vibration and transient stress. That's why you'd print parts for Vorons or Milos from it - at least PETG seems to work at first, but over time things go out of shape. For different load scenarios PCTG might be the better choice of course.
Another filament that may change the scene is TPU that can have 87 shore D, HDT >100C and shrinkage 0,1-0,3% depending on fibers content. Can be printed even in cold garage 10C and cold bed.
At this point i am HEAVILY doubting this aint AI generated bullshit. ..."its harder to drill and sand because its harder than PLA" is the type of bullshit chatgpt throws at you. Nope. Too soft is frankly worse than too hard, if you want to mill, drill, or sand it. As it gums up everythign.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! It’s important to discuss these nuances when it comes to 3D printing materials. Your feedback really helps deepen the conversation!
Sorry that its coming across this way, yes, I use AI to help speed up some of my processes, the voiceover is a clone of my voice to help speed up my editing
Wow. Wish I had known about this before a project I just finished where clarity was a factor. I might have to call the guy and tell him we need to do a redo!! Great video.
Glad you liked the video and found it helpful and useful, here are some other resources about PCTG, to make sure its the right material for your project www.cnckitchen.com/blog/essentium-pctg-review www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1bsidso/pctg/ azurefilm.com/2023/10/12/pctg-filaments-everything-you-need-to-know/ nexa3d.com/blog/pctg-vs-petg-whats-the-difference/
One thing you forgot to mention here is that PCTG is more than twice the price of PETG. Unless there is a very special needs for your part, I think sticking with PETG would be more sensible.
@@thebulldog3d: this ist Not true. PCTG costs 30€/kg which is quite a bit more than for PETG. And i tried IT half year ago instead of ASA. I have Not an enclosure for my printer, but IT Support thebhigher temps on nozzle an bed. I was surprise about the results. My step son created a Propeller for a wind mill and IT worked very good.
Let's see how that develops over time. My current spools of PCTG cost about twice of the price of mass market PETG. But only 20% more then a spool of PETG from the same manufactor. Now if the mass market suppliers pick it up the prices might shift to a similar ratio. Though they are more into "high flow" blends it seems ATM.
Including being "food safe" . Yeh, PETG is "food safe" as well. Just one problem, It is impossible to clean between the layer lines. So, I am sure PCTG is no different, in the "food safe" department.
yeah, needing an enclosure is to help maintain correct temperatures while printing, there are more and more enclosed printers coming to market, typically over time, just like bed slingers, the price will keep creeping down
@TS_Mind_Swept if it's not touching anything there's no problem. Cardboard catches fire at working temperature of pc which is the most common material used to make enclosures. As for not being able to see inside... If you can't figure out how to make a window in cardboard...
@@thebulldog3d there is literally one manufacturer (in the world?). And after more than a year since first mention of ptcg there is still no one else to produce it.
Hi @binariti, please see the link to 3dJake for various brands of PCTG (I have no affiliation or affiliate links with 3DJake) www.3djake.com/3d-printer-filaments/pctg-filament
800g of Extrudr PCTG costs like 28.5EUR so 35EUR per kg (there are cheaper ones if you are lucky to find color you want in stock). You can get PETG from like 15 to 25EUR per kg. Without AI generated bullshit, my experience is ... inconclusive. It feels slightly harder, more ductile and less brittle, but when you hit it with hammer, it cracks sooner than PETG, but PETG shatters completely. So difference is it smells during print as burning plastic - not strongly, but it's not pleasant, it prints at 270C with hotter bed, with high print speeds it changes color to matte dark gray, otherwise it looks like a black glass, it's very shiny. So basically you get more expensive filament that may smell (could be some additives such as black color), advantage seems to be that it sticks to print plate better (small parts) and possibly does not stick to itself when you need tight tolerances (question is if I print PET slightly overextruded). And according to various sources it can survive slightly higher temperature than PETG. I would say you can try it, but IMHO exact hardness depends on part you want to print and it's not strictly worse or better.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! All comments are welcome, even if they are not on a positive note, it all helps me understand what resonates with people watching, and what I need to work on to improve
@@thebulldog3dI don't think ArranAsh's comment was very constructive but I think what he's getting at is that the information in this video was ill suited for a video format. It seems like it was a blog post with some random added backdrop footage. The dialogue was also rather monotone and slow, which means I could have obtained the same information much faster by just reading it, which defeats the purpose and enjoyment of watching a RUclips video. If you stick to the RUclips format I'd recommend using actual footage you took yourself. It also would help to add your own contributions and perspective, this whole video was just a general overview that anyone can gather themselves from a quick Google search... print some things using the filament, show the prints, hold the filament while talking, bend it, break it, etc.
Hi @neilsawhney7182, thank you for the positive constructive comments, For this video and a few others I have been trying out a few different editing options, along with AI Voice Clone etc.... ironically it was meant for a blog post rather than a video, but as I had been using Voice Clones, I thought I would get a few videos out instead of blog posts, there are a few videos that have the same video footage in different orders along with the Voice Clone, my videos after this one are things that I have printed, I wanted to get some videos out that could talk about different filaments, I have a few more in mind, but i'm not sure if I will get a chance to print with them, to compare results, with your comments however, I may hold off until I can at least purchase those filaments
Hi @OnceinaSixSide, unfortunately this is a stock piece of film that I purchased, I don't know the details of how that is setup, if I work it out, I'll be sure to make a video about it though
There is no real improvement in PCTG over PETG for the common man. PCTG is usually more expensive. People who really need to use this type of material already know all about it so I am not sure who this video is made towards. 90% of all people still use trash PLA.
I appreciate your perspective! It’s true that material choices can vary widely based on individual needs and applications. PCTG does have its niche, but I understand why many stick with PLA and PETG for everyday use.
@@georgeyboyhowe1685 It´s a non engineering grade, brittle material which can´t tolerate even temps in a car during summer. The only good PLA is a PLA blend with other materials.
@@sierraecho884 well.......actually PLA on it's own can be used in engineering aspects. I have personally printed GT2 Pulleys, sealchecker arms for packaging machines etc. I use anything from creality cr-10s printers right up to the Markforged X7's and they all run pla on different componentry as well as the more exotic materials like Onyx. Do some research before making uninformed comments. Jeez
Here are some articles pinned to the comments about PCTG www.cnckitchen.com/blog/essentium-pctg-review www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1bsidso/pctg/ azurefilm.com/2023/10/12/pctg-filaments-everything-you-need-to-know/ nexa3d.com/blog/pctg-vs-petg-whats-the-difference/
would to be nice to see something from that material u are talking about..not same video all over again u have used the last few videos back..kind of boring and lazy. dunno if the man talking is a man or is it just AI or something..sounds exactly the same lvl in tone all the way..
Hi @SirHackaL0t. Although PCTG should not smell, you can smell it, like a faint burnt plastic, you should print in a enclosure, with a filter, and a well ventilated room for precaution
@@thebulldog3d Same experience with black one from extrudr. I even would not say it has some better or worse properties, although I never had problem with small parts being ripped of the bed. Smell is major reason I don't particularly like it.
Filalab PCTG is great. No smell, works fine on open printer, great layer adhesion and bed adhesion @ 75C on a golden PEI bed, easy to print and inexpensive. I've tried black, orange and translucent and the latter one, when printed super slow (15mm/s) is almost completely see-through :)
@@TNX255 Maybe I'll give it a chance if it's available in Europe. Smell is not strong, but it's like burning plastic when I'm close to a printer and maybe it's a bit irritating to eyes. Also it's definitely more ductile and less fragile than PETG, but I would not say it's harder - you can scratch it with fingernail and it cracks on weaker impact than PETG - it does not shatter thou and failure is more predicable. About layer adhesion - i have transparent PETG and then gold PETG, gold one is not that great, but transparent has pretty strong adhesion to itself.
This is definitely an AI voice over. Kinda whack but not every channel is going to be putting out well produced content. read about it on your own is my advice to myself.
This is an AI Clone of my Voice, seems that if I want to use that again in the future, I'll need to train it some more, I'll stick to my own recordings from now on, thank you for letting me know, I also have links to other articles about PCTG pinned in the comments
@@thebulldog3d I understand, improving on this would definitely helpful for viewers like me that enjoy the personality of the creators, Best to you. Subscribed.
There were a number of articles that go into a lot more detail than I could answer www.cnckitchen.com/blog/essentium-pctg-review www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1bsidso/pctg/ azurefilm.com/2023/10/12/pctg-filaments-everything-you-need-to-know/ nexa3d.com/blog/pctg-vs-petg-whats-the-difference/
@mikelaurie3850 I'm sorry to hear that the voice was not that great, this is a clone of my voice, taken from several samples, hoping to speed up some of the editing process, in my more recent videos, I changed to my actual voice for the voice over recordings, and will continue that way onwards
Thanks for your comment! It's always interesting to dive into comparisons like these. I appreciate your curiosity! I have not looked into Tritan filament yet
Unfortunately, yes, PCTG is expensive, I feel that it is geared more towards specific use cases, however, as with most things, the more its purchased the cheaper it will get, much like PLA, this was expensive several years ago, in comparison its pretty cheap now
Some additional resources for anyone looking at or thinking about using PCTG in their 3D Prints
www.cnckitchen.com/blog/essentium-pctg-review
www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1bsidso/pctg/
azurefilm.com/2023/10/12/pctg-filaments-everything-you-need-to-know/
nexa3d.com/blog/pctg-vs-petg-whats-the-difference/
More surface hardness combined with higher melting point is actually better for sanding, not worse! I would love to have more infos on potential VOCs because this sounds like ABS filament if it was good 😂
You're absolutely right! Higher surface hardness and melting point can really enhance the sanding process. I’ll definitely look into the VOCs and share more insights soon!
Which properties of ABS do you want? The main draw to ABS/ASA is the high heat deflection temperature combined with low creep under sustained loads while being elastic enough to deal with vibration and transient stress. That's why you'd print parts for Vorons or Milos from it - at least PETG seems to work at first, but over time things go out of shape.
For different load scenarios PCTG might be the better choice of course.
Another filament that may change the scene is TPU that can have 87 shore D, HDT >100C and shrinkage 0,1-0,3% depending on fibers content. Can be printed even in cold garage 10C and cold bed.
Check out my latest video
ruclips.net/video/tdw8G_e10A8/видео.html
At this point i am HEAVILY doubting this aint AI generated bullshit.
..."its harder to drill and sand because its harder than PLA" is the type of bullshit chatgpt throws at you.
Nope.
Too soft is frankly worse than too hard, if you want to mill, drill, or sand it.
As it gums up everythign.
It very much sounds like AI generated.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! It’s important to discuss these nuances when it comes to 3D printing materials. Your feedback really helps deepen the conversation!
@@thebulldog3ddamn, even your answers look like from an Ai 😅
Sorry that its coming across this way, yes, I use AI to help speed up some of my processes, the voiceover is a clone of my voice to help speed up my editing
@thebulldog3d maybe so, but you repeat stuff you have already said, making it sound AI. Not to mention the monotone voice.
Wow. Wish I had known about this before a project I just finished where clarity was a factor. I might have to call the guy and tell him we need to do a redo!! Great video.
Glad you liked the video and found it helpful and useful, here are some other resources about PCTG, to make sure its the right material for your project
www.cnckitchen.com/blog/essentium-pctg-review
www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1bsidso/pctg/
azurefilm.com/2023/10/12/pctg-filaments-everything-you-need-to-know/
nexa3d.com/blog/pctg-vs-petg-whats-the-difference/
One thing you forgot to mention here is that PCTG is more than twice the price of PETG. Unless there is a very special needs for your part, I think sticking with PETG would be more sensible.
Its true, PCTG is very expensive, however, as you say, for the right project, used in the right way, PCTG could be the perfect filament
@@thebulldog3d: this ist Not true.
PCTG costs 30€/kg which is quite a bit more than for PETG.
And i tried IT half year ago instead of ASA. I have Not an enclosure for my printer, but IT Support thebhigher temps on nozzle an bed.
I was surprise about the results.
My step son created a Propeller for a wind mill and IT worked very good.
Let's see how that develops over time. My current spools of PCTG cost about twice of the price of mass market PETG. But only 20% more then a spool of PETG from the same manufactor. Now if the mass market suppliers pick it up the prices might shift to a similar ratio. Though they are more into "high flow" blends it seems ATM.
The script sounds like it's been generated by ChatGTP, and gets a few things wrong or weird.
Including being "food safe" . Yeh, PETG is "food safe" as well. Just one problem, It is impossible to clean between the layer lines. So, I am sure PCTG is no different, in the "food safe" department.
Needing an enclosure is definitely a bit of an oof for those (like me) that don't have one..
yeah, needing an enclosure is to help maintain correct temperatures while printing, there are more and more enclosed printers coming to market, typically over time, just like bed slingers, the price will keep creeping down
Open the bottom of a cardboard box (just make sure it's big enough to not touch.
@@quattrocity9620 yes, cardboard, with heat inside (and no way to see in), definitely no risk of fire there SoonerLater
@TS_Mind_Swept if it's not touching anything there's no problem. Cardboard catches fire at working temperature of pc which is the most common material used to make enclosures. As for not being able to see inside... If you can't figure out how to make a window in cardboard...
@@quattrocity9620 figure out how ≠ have the stuff to do it SoonerLater
The plastic that -is impossible to buy- changing the world
I'm sorry you are unable to get that filament where you are located
@@thebulldog3d there is literally one manufacturer (in the world?). And after more than a year since first mention of ptcg there is still no one else to produce it.
Hi @binariti, please see the link to 3dJake for various brands of PCTG (I have no affiliation or affiliate links with 3DJake)
www.3djake.com/3d-printer-filaments/pctg-filament
What are the downsides? How does this compare in cost to other filaments?
Downsides on the cost are that PCTG is double the cost
Downsides are: you need a Higher bed temp of nearly 90°bed and 280° nozzle Temperaturen, Celsius.
800g of Extrudr PCTG costs like 28.5EUR so 35EUR per kg (there are cheaper ones if you are lucky to find color you want in stock). You can get PETG from like 15 to 25EUR per kg.
Without AI generated bullshit, my experience is ... inconclusive. It feels slightly harder, more ductile and less brittle, but when you hit it with hammer, it cracks sooner than PETG, but PETG shatters completely. So difference is it smells during print as burning plastic - not strongly, but it's not pleasant, it prints at 270C with hotter bed, with high print speeds it changes color to matte dark gray, otherwise it looks like a black glass, it's very shiny. So basically you get more expensive filament that may smell (could be some additives such as black color), advantage seems to be that it sticks to print plate better (small parts) and possibly does not stick to itself when you need tight tolerances (question is if I print PET slightly overextruded). And according to various sources it can survive slightly higher temperature than PETG. I would say you can try it, but IMHO exact hardness depends on part you want to print and it's not strictly worse or better.
@@Chris-14all Filalab PCTG prints well at 250-270C and 75C on a PEI bed.
What is the temperature characteristics that can withstand?
PCTG should be able to withstand temperatures around 302-356°F or 150-180°C with little to no distortion
Why is there infill on top of an already top layer?
These are stock videos that I purchased, I'm not sure why that would be the case
This is some absolute AI slop wow
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! All comments are welcome, even if they are not on a positive note, it all helps me understand what resonates with people watching, and what I need to work on to improve
@@thebulldog3dI don't think ArranAsh's comment was very constructive but I think what he's getting at is that the information in this video was ill suited for a video format. It seems like it was a blog post with some random added backdrop footage.
The dialogue was also rather monotone and slow, which means I could have obtained the same information much faster by just reading it, which defeats the purpose and enjoyment of watching a RUclips video.
If you stick to the RUclips format I'd recommend using actual footage you took yourself. It also would help to add your own contributions and perspective, this whole video was just a general overview that anyone can gather themselves from a quick Google search... print some things using the filament, show the prints, hold the filament while talking, bend it, break it, etc.
Hi @neilsawhney7182, thank you for the positive constructive comments, For this video and a few others I have been trying out a few different editing options, along with AI Voice Clone etc.... ironically it was meant for a blog post rather than a video, but as I had been using Voice Clones, I thought I would get a few videos out instead of blog posts, there are a few videos that have the same video footage in different orders along with the Voice Clone, my videos after this one are things that I have printed, I wanted to get some videos out that could talk about different filaments, I have a few more in mind, but i'm not sure if I will get a chance to print with them, to compare results, with your comments however, I may hold off until I can at least purchase those filaments
I need to know the details of that nozzle cam! Looks great
Hi @OnceinaSixSide, unfortunately this is a stock piece of film that I purchased, I don't know the details of how that is setup, if I work it out, I'll be sure to make a video about it though
There is no real improvement in PCTG over PETG for the common man. PCTG is usually more expensive. People who really need to use this type of material already know all about it so I am not sure who this video is made towards. 90% of all people still use trash PLA.
I appreciate your perspective! It’s true that material choices can vary widely based on individual needs and applications. PCTG does have its niche, but I understand why many stick with PLA and PETG for everyday use.
why is pla trash ?
@@georgeyboyhowe1685 It´s a non engineering grade, brittle material which can´t tolerate even temps in a car during summer. The only good PLA is a PLA blend with other materials.
@@sierraecho884 well.......actually PLA on it's own can be used in engineering aspects. I have personally printed GT2 Pulleys, sealchecker arms for packaging machines etc. I use anything from creality cr-10s printers right up to the Markforged X7's and they all run pla on different componentry as well as the more exotic materials like Onyx. Do some research before making uninformed comments. Jeez
@@sierraecho884actually the best pla is virgin. See tangled testing for proof. Simply adding a colorant decreases strength in z bonding by 50%.
Do you have any proof or measurements for these claims or are you just reading the datasheet?
Here are some articles pinned to the comments about PCTG
www.cnckitchen.com/blog/essentium-pctg-review
www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1bsidso/pctg/
azurefilm.com/2023/10/12/pctg-filaments-everything-you-need-to-know/
nexa3d.com/blog/pctg-vs-petg-whats-the-difference/
would to be nice to see something from that material u are talking about..not same video all over again u have used the last few videos back..kind of boring and lazy. dunno if the man talking is a man or is it just AI or something..sounds exactly the same lvl in tone all the way..
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I value your input and will definitely consider it as I plan future videos. Your support means a lot!
I think it's engagement farming with an AI narrator.
Nothing about the smell? Does it smell? Are the fumes bad for your health?
Hi @SirHackaL0t. Although PCTG should not smell, you can smell it, like a faint burnt plastic, you should print in a enclosure, with a filter, and a well ventilated room for precaution
@@thebulldog3d Same experience with black one from extrudr. I even would not say it has some better or worse properties, although I never had problem with small parts being ripped of the bed. Smell is major reason I don't particularly like it.
Filalab PCTG is great. No smell, works fine on open printer, great layer adhesion and bed adhesion @ 75C on a golden PEI bed, easy to print and inexpensive. I've tried black, orange and translucent and the latter one, when printed super slow (15mm/s) is almost completely see-through :)
@@TNX255 Maybe I'll give it a chance if it's available in Europe. Smell is not strong, but it's like burning plastic when I'm close to a printer and maybe it's a bit irritating to eyes. Also it's definitely more ductile and less fragile than PETG, but I would not say it's harder - you can scratch it with fingernail and it cracks on weaker impact than PETG - it does not shatter thou and failure is more predicable. About layer adhesion - i have transparent PETG and then gold PETG, gold one is not that great, but transparent has pretty strong adhesion to itself.
@@TNX255 Ooh! I shall be getting some to try out. :)
This is definitely an AI voice over. Kinda whack but not every channel is going to be putting out well produced content. read about it on your own is my advice to myself.
This is an AI Clone of my Voice, seems that if I want to use that again in the future, I'll need to train it some more, I'll stick to my own recordings from now on, thank you for letting me know, I also have links to other articles about PCTG pinned in the comments
@@thebulldog3d I understand, improving on this would definitely helpful for viewers like me that enjoy the personality of the creators, Best to you. Subscribed.
Is that a filament dryer or a printer in the thumbnail?
Hi @666Corpselord, its supposed to be a 3d printer, although with a roll of filament in there, it looks like it could be a filament dryer
@@thebulldog3dthis shows you know absolutely nothing about 3d printing
because it's ai generated crap
what about overhangs? is it better than PETG?
There were a number of articles that go into a lot more detail than I could answer
www.cnckitchen.com/blog/essentium-pctg-review
www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1bsidso/pctg/
azurefilm.com/2023/10/12/pctg-filaments-everything-you-need-to-know/
nexa3d.com/blog/pctg-vs-petg-whats-the-difference/
I HATE ai voices, give me a human anyday of the week
@mikelaurie3850 I'm sorry to hear that the voice was not that great, this is a clone of my voice, taken from several samples, hoping to speed up some of the editing process, in my more recent videos, I changed to my actual voice for the voice over recordings, and will continue that way onwards
How that compares with Tritan?
Thanks for your comment! It's always interesting to dive into comparisons like these. I appreciate your curiosity! I have not looked into Tritan filament yet
It’s expensive
Unfortunately, yes, PCTG is expensive, I feel that it is geared more towards specific use cases, however, as with most things, the more its purchased the cheaper it will get, much like PLA, this was expensive several years ago, in comparison its pretty cheap now
Aaaaaaaarrrggh, drum music 💩
Sorry, I thought the music was quiet enough to not be too distracting, but also cover up the silence in the talking