Did you guys watch the entire 40min?!? You beautifully insane desert roses! You are my new heroes! By the way, if you seek more information about my videos, you can always become my Patron and have access to extra information I don't usually put on videos. Here's the link to my Patreon: www.patreon.com/ArithHarger , I always have to cut a lot of content, but this time I was too enthusiastic about this subject and lost track of time.
Yes and carefully listen to ever word. I see what we where talking about a few weeks ago. And this did a lot to help open my eyes and change my outlook in how much christianity true changes your passive perception. This was great I would love much more.
Very compelling and well thought out. As a Lokean myself I see a lot of pagans (and especially what I would call "fundamentalist" heathens) that try to paint that black/white, good/evil dichotomy on Loki, Jormungandr and other liminal beings, and I knew from my experience how far that thinking is from hitting the mark, but never had the words to explain. Ironically, as a former christian, I had the same blind spot towards members of the pagan community that identified themselves has Luciferian or Satanists - you've given me new insights into my own gods, as well as the twightlight gods of other frameworks. Thank you!
Yes Dualism is indeed a problem deeply rooted in our collective consciousness, and when we come from Dualistic religious backgrounds we have the tendency to bring that line of thought into pagan spiritualities and religions.
Nocturne Red yea and no. I’m Luciferian, and Heathen, and many other things. Some Satanists and Luciferians also follow pagan paths, some don’t. Depends on the individual’s interpretation of various ideas and ideals.
@@jackjohnson2309 i heard about different "churches" of satanists and luciferians, but isnt they work with character from avraamic religion, so in my eyes its cant be together. Im myself not satanist nor heathen at that moment, just want to know more about alternatives
Nocturne Red again, that would depend greatly upon the individual. Most Luciferians don’t “worship” Lucifer, or even view the Christian model of Lucifer as “real”. Lucifer is used more as a symbol of enlightenment, and freedom, similar to Prometheus in Greek mythology. Lucifer is essentially symbolic of the pinnacle of what man can be, very closely tied to the ideas of gnosis and apotheosis, or enlightenment in general. Satan is a bit different. Many are “atheistic Satanists”, who similarly don’t actually believe in the literal entity of Satan, but rather as a symbol of adversarial might, human carnal nature, etc. and those philosophies are perfectly compatible with most pagan traditions. There are, however, “theistic” Satanists and Luciferians who literally worship those figures in one way or another, and view them in more or less the same way as Christians would, as literal deities who represent “The Devil” of Christian mythology. These folks aren’t likely going to be pagan in addition to Satanist or Luciferian.
This video is like a refreshing mead. So long have I been scorned as a follower of Rökkatru. Thank you for so eloquently representing our spirituality.
Hello my friend, you have achieved the almost impossible task of keeping me so totally focused that I'm unable right now to form a decent response..so just for now I'll tell you that this was an absolutely excellent piece of work and the length was spot on even though I could listen to you for much longer. You have definitely come into your own here. Thank you.
Arith, every time i think i have a favorite vid, i find another. I share them often. Amazing research, sincere perspective, and insightful in the most compassionate way. Thank you. Skål!
Fantastic video. I am a former Satanist that found Rökkatru only a few years ago. It is a solitary journey as I don't fit in with most Asatru in my area. No matter! Thank you for posting this!
Your videos showed up at the best possible time for my life. Learning so much, feeling so much more at peace since I've started watching, and feeling more and more like the person I always was and am meant to be. Slowly but surely watching all of these. Thank you for your passion!
I'm doubtful that you'll see a comment so long after the post, but this is one of the best explanations of any pagan or shamanic tradition I've heard or read. Insistence on a dualistic perspective is very limited. We are. That's it. We're a discrete part of a massive integrated system. Denying undesirable traits leaves our weaknesses out of sight. All of your points are accurate and not overly dressed up. Love it!
I watched it all, plan to watch it again, and though I learned a great deal I've come out with more questions. Which of course is the best outcome. Liked, subbed.
I really like this video! And I wholeheartedly agree with the concepts!!! I have had had many of these thoughts myself, and find very few who will even listen. Trying to get beyond , or to what was before them the monotheistic ideas isn't easy. But it is really necessary, and that is one of the reasons I decided to become a patron!! I really appreciate your honest approach in all of your videos!!
I do not comment on videos often so take this very personally. I highly enjoyed this vid. It put in to perspective what I have been saying to many for years. I thank you greatly for taking the time to produce just such a masterpiece. There is no good and evil. Only choice and consequence.
This is a great video. I commend you for the courage to share these views. I also appreciate bringing to light how we need to begin to look past our preconceived patterns. Thanks!
Heads up, by the end of this month (October 2018) I'll have another video like this one but talking about another neo-pagan branch of Norse spirituality that might be of your interest ^^
Fun Fact: In Zoroastrianism there is prophet of Ahura Mazda (the main god) that was said to have expanded the earth with a magic ring and dagger in order to make more room for humanity. In Fargad II he is said to have come thousands of years before Zoroaster... his name was Yima! Such a close resemblance to Ymir!
Interesting video! I normally have trouble keeping focus for so long, but this topic is one that interests me and you offered some important insights. Thank you for making and sharing this!
I understand you 😊 And huge respect to you for sharing this and daring to talk about it 👍 When I have to explain my faith myself, I only say Asatru as it can be difficult enough to explain to the person 😊 but I would like to be able to be completely honest with people. When I say that Loki is one of the gods I understand, what you are talking about happens. Then people tell me that he is evil and a cheater. And I get scared and say "no, he's not mean to me" and here people shut down completely. So get to make them happy I say "Thor is also one of the gods I invite to my blót" But then it comes. Blót is also a "bad" thing in today's perception? But yes, 1000 thanks for making your videos I feel we practice religion / faith / living a way ,a lot alike 🍀 År og fred
I have just found this channel and it resonates with me so much that I watched (almost) all of your videos in two days. I always have had my own ideas about things unseen and the effect they have on the physical reality but I could never quite find the words. You did and I couldn't stop saying "YES! YES!" throughout this video. In less than an hour you summarized, clear and eloquent, what I have been thinking for most of my life. Thank you! Just for that I will get myself a credit card so I can become a patron. It's the least I can do. Thank you, Arith!
I had never heard of this path until you recently told me about it when I messaged you on Instagram. You didn’t mention you made a video on the subject though. Glad that this gem came up in recommended videos. This was an incredible subject. Well done sir.
Thought you had asked about Thursatru, maybe I'm just confused. So many people that at some point my mind forgets stuff, sorry. Yes it's an interesting path a closer to nature in a more primitive and raw state. Glad you enjoyed the video ^^
Thank you so much for this video. It has touched so many subjects I've been thinking of. One of my favorites, thanks for keeping it sane about satanism. Please keep these videos coming.
Thank you for this wonderful video & for sharing your knowledge & wisdom , Im deeply indeted to you . Now I am free of old thought patterns & have a renewed view of living life.
😍😍😍 hard to say but I think this is high on the list of favorites if I was to pick a favorite, your knowledge is beyond a college education and archeology experience. Very wise.. unique, brilliant!😊
Thank you very much, you are very kind ^^ . . . in the academic field and sciences I have boundaries and cannot extend the content into something more spiritual unless I can explain it with scientific proofs. But here on RUclips I have a certain freedom hehe ^^
I have been rökkatru all my life without knowning. This wonderful video of yourself reminded me of Rilke: “my god is dark - like woven texture flowing - a hundred drinking roots, all intertwined; I only know that from his warmth I’m growing, more I know not: my roots lie hidden deep, my branches only are swayed by the wind”.
I became Asatru a couple years back but feel it's more animistic in my mind. So I wasn't afraid of the 'dark' gods. I feel a deep connection to Angrboda due to feeling mysel a 'mother of destruction' as I dealt with a lot that I don't want to go into here. But also, Loki too seems a side of me I could connect to as you try and do right, feel the injustice, TAKE a moment to have a fit at injustice and all goes wrong...And then his desire to fix. Your explanation also touches me where you think in terms of accepting chaos as a necessary balance of all that is in nature, our planet, our lives...our universe. So true. I love your sharing, thank you so much. I recently became a patron on patreon, because I love your work. I'm pagan and atheist, but do not feel tied to blend or tie into just one. I see the gods and goddesses as aspects of us and use them and their storeis to self-heal. I'm definitely into earth based spirituality, as seen in atheo-pagan mindset. But I also believe that rituals and religious ceremonies are a ncessary part of ourselves and will speak to the gods as IF they are real/even if I don't believe it. It's an acknowledgement of the need of our minds to connect with each other through ritual and spirituality (even if spirituality means accepting the essence of all that is) in my mind.
You have perhaps afforded the best interpritation and explanation of chaos and the perception of evil being necessary in keeping the balance, while observing that said chaos is not always an evil. Excellent comparison of other pre-Christian religions and traditions being manipulated to follow a common monotheistic theme that is repeated often in the Neo-Religions/Paths/Systems. You are definitely on the next level while others are playing the same tune, just with different instruments. I am thankful that I have found your channel and look forward to your future uploads.
We are all trying to reach something. We are all on different levels or knowledge, and I think it's important we share our thoughts so others may make their own comparisons and evolve on their own. It's important sharing knowleding, ideas, concepts, so we may all have a share on the process of evolution. Thank you very much.
It is darker in the sense that its not passive in its existence, its goal is directly aimed at the death of false order and the return of our souls to the primordial chaos. You're very welcome.
Thank you so much for this video! I am just encountering the idea of Rokkatru after 3 decades of worshipping and working with Loki. I feel like I am coming home.
Thanks for this video Arith. I had often wondered about the connection between Greek and Norse mythology after the first time that I read Snorri and he describes a brief history of the Norse tribes migrating from Asia Minor. Thank you for the card that I received today on my return from work. When I saw it and read your greetings it made me fell a very blessed man to have such a good friend. I have a suggestion for a topic: Ancestor worship by the ancient Norse tribes. There must be some form of such worship when we see the elaborate burials that were performed.
Yes! You received my card! I was afraid it would be lost in the way. Can't trust Portuguese post offices :/ You are right, there must be something related to the ancestors. Sometimes in my videos I give hints of that because the cult of the ancestors is scattered and in archaeological findings we don't have much. We have the Dísablót and Alfablót, private/domestic cults of Frigg etc. but it would be an interesting idea trying to pick these little scattered pieces and form a video. I'll try.
In polytheists/panetheist religions, there isn't any supreme deity. It's cos these religions were destroyed in the West, this concept crept in. Normally, anyone can have his OWN main deity, whom he'll place at the top. For him, this deity is absolute. But it's ONLY for him. Here in India, probably the only surviving ancient civilisations, there are countless different sects each having a high deity of it's own. Maybe that deity has no real significance in the myth, but for that sect, s/he is everything. The reason is simple: we are as individuals very different. Some maybe very loving and kind, some wrathful, some artistic, some introverted, some extroverted and so on. Each is supposed to choose an archetype deity (forces of nature, thought form, energy) based on his or her character trait. In fact the person doesn't even have to choose most of the time. Somehow the he'll get introduced to the deity if he's seeking honestly. This is why it's often said "the gods choose the seeker". Now the problem with monotheism, or a system that puts one deity on top, is that if a person doesn't really find THAT specific deity attractive, he will just ignore the entire system. Or he'll just have a superficial devotion which is mostly out of fear. Cos of Islamic and christian invasions this has crept into Indian general consciousness too. Unconsciously they're practicing these faiths. Only a few serious seeker truly understand.
This was an awesome video! My gods, I am very thankful I found your channel! I'd never heard of Rokkatru until now! It's very interesting. I love learning about my European ancestors! One last thing... I love your background music ... would you mind telling me what it is? It's perfect for meditation!
Thank you so much! It's hard to find anything about Rökkatru so I had to give a little contribution ^^ and the music in the background I use from incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/music.html , go to the "relax" session, or maybe "calming" and "mystical" and you will certainly find good music there.
Well done !! Wonderful videos, much appreciated ! There are certainly verre pervasive influences from the dominant philosophical and religious traditions of the modern day. I have seen this in, especially American Asatru.. I no longer refer to my practise as "Asatru".. just the old ways. Religion, is only one aspect of our ideas about reality, the world, universe, how we should conduct ourselves, how we should live. Much of the old ways are, have been with us.. as an expression of our true nature, never minding what religions are in the high seat. The old ways to me start with my parents, and the threads continue to go back from there, eventually arriving at the Viking times, and , long before. ALU **
@@Northern85Star lol. Yeah, we are not to be trusted. For we are humans. Human nature is not to be trusted. And that includes you my dear. But as long as we are aware of this fact we can work our way around this.
This is one of the best videos i have ever watched on youtube (and that includes cats being scared by cucumbers) But seriously, what a great insight you have, and were able to share Im afraid if i start to write exactly why or how this video touched me, i may still be writing a year from now, but so much of it made so much sense, some of it didnt, and some of it i disagree, but thats fine, and to be fair, thats how we *should* react to most videos about serious things like this Im months behind the release dates of thes, so i dont expect an answer, but if you can give one, thank you What did you study? what books did you read? To gain such insight and understanding, because i want to read and study these things too. It is great having you teach me, but i would ike to get back to the source, so to speak, rather than just become a cultist of Arith :)
i love your videos... mostly because i am happily surprised we share the same views and conclusions ... much respect to you ,,,, fyi i am not a student of history or meth sadly .. but i love the subject and find our history fascinating
Another great video. I feel that i did another step on my spiritual journey and assures me somehow on my view of the nature of things. Existence is way to complex to divided into two sides.
As a greek with Loki as a Patron, thanks, that was quite educational. I always romanticized chaos but I never actually knew why I felt so in peace within it. Now it is clear that is an influence of the deity and the part of a bigger picture. A lesson to be learned
@@ArithHärger I know right, as a matter of fact I was shocked that you referred in Prometheus for I just finished school this year and the ancient Greek we were taught this year contained that story given to us by Plato in Politea. Prometheus is a beautiful character but he wasn't only punished by Zeus for stealing but as well as for stealing to protect his brother Epimetheus who is to blame for the lack of weapons of human nature. So it was really something that triggered me into thinking about the complicity of a matter and the variety of perspectives around that matter. As always we need to know the story from more than one side to judge. As for Satanism I also came across a greek forum discussing the chance of Lucifer taking the fall to bring balance to the new created world, not because he was punished but because as the first and brightest angel and also as the teacher of the rest he had to let his students teach love and light. Therefore he was set to do the hard work as to try to test mortals into going outside the righteous path which is linked to god and the angels. All in all, it was a very triggering video for me, I sat there thinking all night about my path and it proved to be very helpful. Thanks a lot.
Yet another great video, thank you. This view gives more sense to the Continental Germanic branch of Heathenry. I would love to see your thoughts on that one too.
THank you! Oh yes that would be an interesting subject to talk about. Sometimes I speak about certain germanic tribes as you will see in my upcoming videos. I do find the germanic sources very important for a variety of reasons, one of which is the fact that the germanic cults spread to Scandinavia and changed the entire religious background and brought new gods. Continental Germanic paganism in many aspects is the roots of Norse paganism.
Arith Härger no thanks you!! I'm glad we finally got to see some of your personal beliefs and feelings. I've never heard of rokkatru before so definitely opened my eyes to other norse ideologys
Thank you! hehe, well to be honest, and this is strange to me as I consume books all the time, but I haven't read one single book about Rokkatru. I'm not even sure if they exist because I've tried to find and I just can't find a single book about it. My knowledge of Rokkatru comes from personal contact with people who have this spiritual path and that's about it, that's why this video is much more my own interpretation rather than supported by a more academic resource, because in academic there's nothing concening this because it's a contemporaneous spirituality and we sill haven't religious studies about it.
Arith Härger fair enough! It sounds pretty interesting, a very different take on the Norse traditions to Ásatrú. It could probably be applied to many of the European pagan traditions.
Dr Mahlek bro for resources on Rokkatru you may wanna check out Edred Thorsson- he’s very prolific there. Not on RUclips I don’t think and I’m unsure if he wrote a book on it but he’s got websites on it.
I'm so glad you said that. Sometimes its rather terrifying what other people see norse paganism through the lense of christianity without real understanding. Its terrifying because that lense steal ummm a lot of peace from them, it start those small "christian wars" within pagan society. Which I found wrong and sad. Its not the way it should be (in my opinion) Anyway, just wanted to say I love your channel. You're such a nice human being.
Thank you for this presentation and sharing of your thoughts, Arity Harger. You are "growing on me". You are stimulating me. I am grateful for this, because it helps me to feel More Alive. Thank You. While listening to you and admiring the smooth flow and surety of your speak, a thought came to me that: In the biggest sense of Order, that I can imagine, there would be included Growth Of Individuals (Toward more Spiritual Things Being The Best They Can Be) and this Order is provident, productive and protective of this Evolution. Supportive of More and Better. More and Better Goodness...with a resultant reduction in "badness". I believe that "Lucifer" advocated total freedom of Individuals (and societies?) that undermines and eventually disrupts certain levels of Order... before this is Earned. I also believe that the "Highest Level Of Order" is beyond any damage caused by the practices and expressions of premature total freedom...the freedom that cares not about consequences. This "Highest Level Of Order", long in being developed by CREATOR and with much trial and error, finally became just about PERFECT and became the Source Pattern by which all "Lesser Realms Of Order" are compared. I believe that there is no "chaos" in the Highest Level Of Order", except maybe a token example, well contained and kept, to remind this Highest Order of the Reason for It to be in the first place. "Total Freedom" eventually is Earned, from which some level of Godhood does begin. Yes. I do fear chaos. It seems too close to mindlessness and heartlessness and nothingness. What Good is that? "Good For Nothing".
the shamanic essence of our ancient culture works well through you brother you have a vast amount of knowledge and I'm glad I found your channel you have a new subscriber
I have always felt drawn to the Goddess Hel, sometimes I feel her calling to me, it’s not to die or anything like that, It’s a fellowship, it’s like she wants a relationship, I died 6 times as a infant. I kept thinking I need to follow someone like everyone else like Odin, Thor, Tyr etc. After watching this I feel it’s ok to have communion with the Goddess Hel. I feel this is the right path for me.
Thank you.🤘🏿😔🖤Ive been searching for so long, after so much sacrifice and events.Fate lead me here and I feel as though I exhaled for the first time in many years.🤘🏿😌😎🎸
I used to be in the 'condemn Loki' league for some time, but also was puzzled for a time over the large amount of Allfather worshippers, that concept to me clearly a Chistianisation aspect of parts of the Eddas. I have let go of a lot of the Christian influences, including the Loki conundrum, but your video, Arith, has still opened my eyes further, and I will now go and investigate Rökkatru some more as the concept is very appealing. Thank you.
Outstanding! I do not agree 100% with every detail here. Though I highly agree with the direction in general. I would not go to the extent of separating the 2 concepts, Asatru and Rokkatru. Though I understand why you have. The way I look at it is Asatru as a religion is the introductory path to return to the deeper pagan traditions, ideas and so on. Many people will just stop at this 1st level. But some will seek more, ask questions and delve deeper, as clearly you have. Such is also my way. And I feel the "name" or "lable" we use is more or less irrelevant. Other than for the purpose of discussion with a pre agreed definition. Excellent work. Thank you very much!
Thank you very much for your feedback. Well, we should never agree 100% with anything; we should give some space to our own perspectives and opinions. Doubting and questioning everything it's what leads us to seek answers and subsequently to obtain knowledge hehe. Spirituality is just like everything else in life. We should always be in the process of learning and evolving.
Excellent sifting of cultural dynamics and the mythos of societal indoctrinations. Lifting the veil! I am humbled by the efforts you make in sharing. Always clean, precise, and to the point. Thank You!! (though I do miss the occasional Scottish viking cameo)
Thank you so much for your feedback and support! Oh yes, Mr. Thorstein is still on vacations but he will come, I promise. He's about to return during Summer ^^
I really love your videos so much. You have so much information to share and you also use all the real terms and names as they should be used. I have asked before but I’m not sure if you saw it. Do you follow the path of the Vikings, Nordic spiritual practices? Also I’d like to know what you do for solving because it seems to me that you must do something in the teaching world. Again thank you for the amazing videos and all the information you share. Great work and I really appreciate all that you do
Did you guys watch the entire 40min?!? You beautifully insane desert roses! You are my new heroes!
By the way, if you seek more information about my videos, you can always become my Patron and have access to extra information I don't usually put on videos. Here's the link to my Patreon: www.patreon.com/ArithHarger , I always have to cut a lot of content, but this time I was too enthusiastic about this subject and lost track of time.
Arith Härger "Desert roses"? Not familiar with this concept/compliment.
Desert roses are very rare and thrive in an inhospitable place, so they are quite special :p
Arith Härger ah, okay. Not a common way of describing the concept over here.
watched it all and very much enjoyed it. id have to agree with Cartoon News, i prefer longer videos :)
Yes and carefully listen to ever word. I see what we where talking about a few weeks ago. And this did a lot to help open my eyes and change my outlook in how much christianity true changes your passive perception. This was great I would love much more.
I am 70yo and you have helped me recognize something that I have wrestled my entire life and never been able to put into words.
What? I’m curious to know if you’ll share.
@@mstreech I think its a lie...at least the age part
@@mstreech it's impossible for that poster to answer your question because these things are highly personal.
As a Rökkatru for many many years now, I say this is a very good explanation of the practice. Well done.
My only regret in watching this video, is that I can only give it one thumbs up, and not all it deserves.
Thank you ^^ your feedback is also greatly appreciated :D
Very compelling and well thought out. As a Lokean myself I see a lot of pagans (and especially what I would call "fundamentalist" heathens) that try to paint that black/white, good/evil dichotomy on Loki, Jormungandr and other liminal beings, and I knew from my experience how far that thinking is from hitting the mark, but never had the words to explain. Ironically, as a former christian, I had the same blind spot towards members of the pagan community that identified themselves has Luciferian or Satanists - you've given me new insights into my own gods, as well as the twightlight gods of other frameworks. Thank you!
Yes Dualism is indeed a problem deeply rooted in our collective consciousness, and when we come from Dualistic religious backgrounds we have the tendency to bring that line of thought into pagan spiritualities and religions.
Luciferians and satanists part of pagan community?
Nocturne Red yea and no. I’m Luciferian, and Heathen, and many other things. Some Satanists and Luciferians also follow pagan paths, some don’t. Depends on the individual’s interpretation of various ideas and ideals.
@@jackjohnson2309 i heard about different "churches" of satanists and luciferians, but isnt they work with character from avraamic religion, so in my eyes its cant be together. Im myself not satanist nor heathen at that moment, just want to know more about alternatives
Nocturne Red again, that would depend greatly upon the individual. Most Luciferians don’t “worship” Lucifer, or even view the Christian model of Lucifer as “real”. Lucifer is used more as a symbol of enlightenment, and freedom, similar to Prometheus in Greek mythology. Lucifer is essentially symbolic of the pinnacle of what man can be, very closely tied to the ideas of gnosis and apotheosis, or enlightenment in general. Satan is a bit different. Many are “atheistic Satanists”, who similarly don’t actually believe in the literal entity of Satan, but rather as a symbol of adversarial might, human carnal nature, etc. and those philosophies are perfectly compatible with most pagan traditions.
There are, however, “theistic” Satanists and Luciferians who literally worship those figures in one way or another, and view them in more or less the same way as Christians would, as literal deities who represent “The Devil” of Christian mythology. These folks aren’t likely going to be pagan in addition to Satanist or Luciferian.
This really resonated with me, thank you.
You had my curiosity ... but now you have my attention. Damn, you’re a high quality human being!
I appreciate that, thank you very much ^^
Thank you for your guidance and wisdom. I appreciate your perspective.
You spoke the words I have believed for years. I am so glad I found you! I cannot wait to see what other videos you have!
I have only found you recently but i have no problem listening to you and could take in more information when it is so interesting.
This video is like a refreshing mead. So long have I been scorned as a follower of Rökkatru. Thank you for so eloquently representing our spirituality.
Hello my friend, you have achieved the almost impossible task of keeping me so totally focused that I'm unable right now to form a decent response..so just for now I'll tell you that this was an absolutely excellent piece of work and the length was spot on even though I could listen to you for much longer. You have definitely come into your own here. Thank you.
Thank you very much ^^ Enthusiasm made talk a lot :p
Arith, every time i think i have a favorite vid, i find another. I share them often. Amazing research, sincere perspective, and insightful in the most compassionate way. Thank you. Skål!
Fantastic video. I am a former Satanist that found Rökkatru only a few years ago. It is a solitary journey as I don't fit in with most Asatru in my area. No matter! Thank you for posting this!
Fascinating topic! And well spoken, too!
Your videos showed up at the best possible time for my life.
Learning so much, feeling so much more at peace since I've started watching, and feeling more and more like the person I always was and am meant to be.
Slowly but surely watching all of these. Thank you for your passion!
I'm really happy to read this comment, thank you very much and I'm glad the content I create gave you something positive :) Cheers!
I'm doubtful that you'll see a comment so long after the post, but this is one of the best explanations of any pagan or shamanic tradition I've heard or read. Insistence on a dualistic perspective is very limited. We are. That's it. We're a discrete part of a massive integrated system. Denying undesirable traits leaves our weaknesses out of sight. All of your points are accurate and not overly dressed up. Love it!
I watched it all, plan to watch it again, and though I learned a great deal I've come out with more questions. Which of course is the best outcome. Liked, subbed.
Great discussion! You put so much into your videos and I really appreciate the personal touch in this one.
Great video. Thank you. This deepens my understanding of this path, being yet another road to deeper understanding.
You are a wise man my friend.
I really like this video! And I wholeheartedly agree with the concepts!!! I have had had many of these thoughts myself, and find very few who will even listen. Trying to get beyond , or to what was before them the monotheistic ideas isn't easy. But it is really necessary, and that is one of the reasons I decided to become a patron!! I really appreciate your honest approach in all of your videos!!
I do not comment on videos often so take this very personally. I highly enjoyed this vid. It put in to perspective what I have been saying to many for years. I thank you greatly for taking the time to produce just such a masterpiece. There is no good and evil. Only choice and consequence.
Thank you so much for your feedback, I feel flattered :)
another masterfully constructed video. i love your videos - THANK YOU!
Fantastic video, thank you so much!
This is a great video. I commend you for the courage to share these views. I also appreciate bringing to light how we need to begin to look past our preconceived patterns. Thanks!
thank you very much ^^
I love the way you teach on a subject with out projecting your personal belief in it so much. It's all fact based far as I can research
The Longer uploads and seeing the outside are Brilliant, Please do more !
Very profound. I love it. I knew about the similarities you mentioned and have that same point of view. Thank you very much for this.
Heads up, by the end of this month (October 2018) I'll have another video like this one but talking about another neo-pagan branch of Norse spirituality that might be of your interest ^^
@@ArithHärger Thanks for the heads-up. I'll be waiting for it.
Fun Fact: In Zoroastrianism there is prophet of Ahura Mazda (the main god) that was said to have expanded the earth with a magic ring and dagger in order to make more room for humanity. In Fargad II he is said to have come thousands of years before Zoroaster... his name was Yima! Such a close resemblance to Ymir!
Interesting video! I normally have trouble keeping focus for so long, but this topic is one that interests me and you offered some important insights. Thank you for making and sharing this!
I understand you 😊
And huge respect to you for sharing this and daring to talk about it 👍
When I have to explain my faith myself, I only say Asatru as it can be difficult enough to explain to the person 😊 but I would like to be able to be completely honest with people. When I say that Loki is one of the gods I understand, what you are talking about happens. Then people tell me that he is evil and a cheater. And I get scared and say "no, he's not mean to me" and here people shut down completely. So get to make them happy I say "Thor is also one of the gods I invite to my blót"
But then it comes. Blót is also a "bad" thing in today's perception?
But yes, 1000 thanks for making your videos I feel we practice religion / faith / living a way ,a lot alike 🍀
År og fred
I have just found this channel and it resonates with me so much that I watched (almost) all of your videos in two days. I always have had my own ideas about things unseen and the effect they have on the physical reality but I could never quite find the words. You did and I couldn't stop saying "YES! YES!" throughout this video. In less than an hour you summarized, clear and eloquent, what I have been thinking for most of my life. Thank you!
Just for that I will get myself a credit card so I can become a patron. It's the least I can do. Thank you, Arith!
I had never heard of this path until you recently told me about it when I messaged you on Instagram. You didn’t mention you made a video on the subject though. Glad that this gem came up in recommended videos. This was an incredible subject. Well done sir.
Thought you had asked about Thursatru, maybe I'm just confused. So many people that at some point my mind forgets stuff, sorry. Yes it's an interesting path a closer to nature in a more primitive and raw state. Glad you enjoyed the video ^^
Thank you so much for this video. It has touched so many subjects I've been thinking of. One of my favorites, thanks for keeping it sane about satanism. Please keep these videos coming.
Love your videos man, thank you for making them. They're very informative, and helping me as I seek to shape and define my current worldview.
So good! Thank you Arith. Ofcourse watching everything.
Great video, I learned a great deal from it thank you
Wow... really enjoyed this video. Very inspirational. Exceptional work Mr. Härger.
Thank you! :D
Thank you for this wonderful video & for sharing your knowledge & wisdom , Im deeply indeted to you . Now I am free of old thought patterns & have a renewed view of living life.
I let my children listen to this. I see nothing wrong with this. Love this!!
😍😍😍 hard to say but I think this is high on the list of favorites if I was to pick a favorite, your knowledge is beyond a college education and archeology experience. Very wise.. unique, brilliant!😊
Thank you very much, you are very kind ^^ . . . in the academic field and sciences I have boundaries and cannot extend the content into something more spiritual unless I can explain it with scientific proofs. But here on RUclips I have a certain freedom hehe ^^
Great perspective, thank you for the video.
Youve shown a point of view that is intriguing. Thank you. I consider you a wise person.
I have been rökkatru all my life without knowning. This wonderful video of yourself reminded me of Rilke: “my god is dark - like woven texture flowing - a hundred drinking roots, all intertwined; I only know that from his warmth I’m growing, more I know not: my roots lie hidden deep, my branches only are swayed by the wind”.
I became Asatru a couple years back but feel it's more animistic in my mind. So I wasn't afraid of the 'dark' gods. I feel a deep connection to Angrboda due to feeling mysel a 'mother of destruction' as I dealt with a lot that I don't want to go into here. But also, Loki too seems a side of me I could connect to as you try and do right, feel the injustice, TAKE a moment to have a fit at injustice and all goes wrong...And then his desire to fix. Your explanation also touches me where you think in terms of accepting chaos as a necessary balance of all that is in nature, our planet, our lives...our universe. So true. I love your sharing, thank you so much.
I recently became a patron on patreon, because I love your work. I'm pagan and atheist, but do not feel tied to blend or tie into just one. I see the gods and goddesses as aspects of us and use them and their storeis to self-heal. I'm definitely into earth based spirituality, as seen in atheo-pagan mindset. But I also believe that rituals and religious ceremonies are a ncessary part of ourselves and will speak to the gods as IF they are real/even if I don't believe it. It's an acknowledgement of the need of our minds to connect with each other through ritual and spirituality (even if spirituality means accepting the essence of all that is) in my mind.
You have perhaps afforded the best interpritation and explanation of chaos and the perception of evil being necessary in keeping the balance, while observing that said chaos is not always an evil. Excellent comparison of other pre-Christian religions and traditions being manipulated to follow a common monotheistic theme that is repeated often in the Neo-Religions/Paths/Systems. You are definitely on the next level while others are playing the same tune, just with different instruments. I am thankful that I have found your channel and look forward to your future uploads.
We are all trying to reach something. We are all on different levels or knowledge, and I think it's important we share our thoughts so others may make their own comparisons and evolve on their own. It's important sharing knowleding, ideas, concepts, so we may all have a share on the process of evolution. Thank you very much.
I'm a follower of Thursatru, its very similar to what you described. Great video man, hail!
Very interesting path, considered to be "darker" than Rökkatru. Some Thurs are included in Rokkatru ^^ Thank you for the feedback and support :D
It is darker in the sense that its not passive in its existence, its goal is directly aimed at the death of false order and the return of our souls to the primordial chaos. You're very welcome.
this is my favorite video, please make more on Rokkatru
Glad you liked it ^^ I will certain delve much more on that subject in the future
Thank you so much for this video! I am just encountering the idea of Rokkatru after 3 decades of worshipping and working with Loki. I feel like I am coming home.
Thanks for this video Arith. I had often wondered about the connection between Greek and Norse mythology after the first time that I read Snorri and he describes a brief history of the Norse tribes migrating from Asia Minor.
Thank you for the card that I received today on my return from work. When I saw it and read your greetings it made me fell a very blessed man to have such a good friend.
I have a suggestion for a topic: Ancestor worship by the ancient Norse tribes. There must be some form of such worship when we see the elaborate burials that were performed.
Yes! You received my card! I was afraid it would be lost in the way. Can't trust Portuguese post offices :/ You are right, there must be something related to the ancestors. Sometimes in my videos I give hints of that because the cult of the ancestors is scattered and in archaeological findings we don't have much. We have the Dísablót and Alfablót, private/domestic cults of Frigg etc. but it would be an interesting idea trying to pick these little scattered pieces and form a video. I'll try.
yes there are many read Anastasia the ringing cedar series by Vladimir Megre
This is an outstanding piece! I'm rewinding as we speak
Congrats! Very, very good work! Thank you, thank you! I love your vídeos!
Thank you! I'm glad you do, I'm really happy ^^
That just about sums up my experience and I have never before come across the term 'Rokkatru'. Thank you so much.
In polytheists/panetheist religions, there isn't any supreme deity. It's cos these religions were destroyed in the West, this concept crept in. Normally, anyone can have his OWN main deity, whom he'll place at the top. For him, this deity is absolute. But it's ONLY for him.
Here in India, probably the only surviving ancient civilisations, there are countless different sects each having a high deity of it's own. Maybe that deity has no real significance in the myth, but for that sect, s/he is everything.
The reason is simple: we are as individuals very different. Some maybe very loving and kind, some wrathful, some artistic, some introverted, some extroverted and so on. Each is supposed to choose an archetype deity (forces of nature, thought form, energy) based on his or her character trait. In fact the person doesn't even have to choose most of the time. Somehow the he'll get introduced to the deity if he's seeking honestly. This is why it's often said "the gods choose the seeker".
Now the problem with monotheism, or a system that puts one deity on top, is that if a person doesn't really find THAT specific deity attractive, he will just ignore the entire system. Or he'll just have a superficial devotion which is mostly out of fear.
Cos of Islamic and christian invasions this has crept into Indian general consciousness too. Unconsciously they're practicing these faiths. Only a few serious seeker truly understand.
Hinduism have several supreme deities so you are dead wrong there.
Not necessarily true for all paths, friend.
Well said
Namaste "the gods choose the seeker" ... YES! 🙏🕉️🙏
No clue about Vedic culture.... Brahman is Supreme....all Devas are aspects of it.
Wonderful video!
I am absolutely loving this video, thank you
This was an awesome video! My gods, I am very thankful I found your channel! I'd never heard of Rokkatru until now! It's very interesting. I love learning about my European ancestors! One last thing... I love your background music ... would you mind telling me what it is? It's perfect for meditation!
Thank you so much! It's hard to find anything about Rökkatru so I had to give a little contribution ^^ and the music in the background I use from incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/music.html , go to the "relax" session, or maybe "calming" and "mystical" and you will certainly find good music there.
Arith Härger thank you! I'll check it out!
Thank you ^^
that was a lot but it was also very interesting, thanks for sharing, oh and you articulate yourself very well
I rarely appreciate the way things are said, but other than some good informations, I see an oratorical talent right there.
Well done !! Wonderful videos, much appreciated ! There are certainly verre pervasive influences from the dominant philosophical and religious traditions of the modern day. I have seen this in, especially American Asatru.. I no longer refer to my practise as "Asatru".. just the old ways. Religion, is only one aspect of our ideas about reality, the world, universe, how we should conduct ourselves, how we should live. Much of the old ways are, have been with us.. as an expression of our true nature, never minding what religions are in the high seat. The old ways to me start with my parents, and the threads continue to go back from there, eventually arriving at the Viking times, and , long before. ALU **
One of my paths of interest lately..great video! 🤘👍
Thank you ^^ and I hope you find what you seek :)
You are a great teacher. \o/
I follow Loki and I really appreciate what you were saying in this video.
Thank you :)
Claire, what does this mean to you in a practical aspect? How does it affect your daily life? Thanks for your time.
So you are not to be trusted. Thanks for the warning, betrayer.
@@Northern85Star lol. Yeah, we are not to be trusted. For we are humans. Human nature is not to be trusted. And that includes you my dear. But as long as we are aware of this fact we can work our way around this.
Mariano Amador That is not true.
This is one of the best videos i have ever watched on youtube (and that includes cats being scared by cucumbers)
But seriously, what a great insight you have, and were able to share
Im afraid if i start to write exactly why or how this video touched me, i may still be writing a year from now, but so much of it made so much sense, some of it didnt, and some of it i disagree, but thats fine, and to be fair, thats how we *should* react to most videos about serious things like this
Im months behind the release dates of thes, so i dont expect an answer, but if you can give one, thank you
What did you study? what books did you read? To gain such insight and understanding, because i want to read and study these things too. It is great having you teach me, but i would ike to get back to the source, so to speak, rather than just become a cultist of Arith :)
I needed this
FASCINATING!! I love ancient mythology. You know your stuff man. ; )
i love your videos... mostly because i am happily surprised we share the same views and conclusions ... much respect to you ,,,, fyi i am not a student of history or meth sadly .. but i love the subject and find our history fascinating
Another great video. I feel that i did another step on my spiritual journey and assures me somehow on my view of the nature of things. Existence is way to complex to divided into two sides.
Indeed it is, thank you so much ^^
Another excellent video!
thank you ^^
This Video Has Opened My Eyes To New Horizons.
Thank You Arith!!
It's very good to know that!
Ive learned so much about Paganism and the norse religion from you, thank you very much!
You make it all make sense. Thank you
As a greek with Loki as a Patron, thanks, that was quite educational.
I always romanticized chaos but I never actually knew why I felt so in peace within it. Now it is clear that is an influence of the deity and the part of a bigger picture. A lesson to be learned
There is always knowledge in everything, in every side of the story ^^
@@ArithHärger I know right, as a matter of fact I was shocked that you referred in Prometheus for I just finished school this year and the ancient Greek we were taught this year contained that story given to us by Plato in Politea.
Prometheus is a beautiful character but he wasn't only punished by Zeus for stealing but as well as for stealing to protect his brother Epimetheus who is to blame for the lack of weapons of human nature. So it was really something that triggered me into thinking about the complicity of a matter and the variety of perspectives around that matter. As always we need to know the story from more than one side to judge.
As for Satanism I also came across a greek forum discussing the chance of Lucifer taking the fall to bring balance to the new created world, not because he was punished but because as the first and brightest angel and also as the teacher of the rest he had to let his students teach love and light. Therefore he was set to do the hard work as to try to test mortals into going outside the righteous path which is linked to god and the angels.
All in all, it was a very triggering video for me, I sat there thinking all night about my path and it proved to be very helpful. Thanks a lot.
Yet another great video, thank you. This view gives more sense to the Continental Germanic branch of Heathenry. I would love to see your thoughts on that one too.
THank you! Oh yes that would be an interesting subject to talk about. Sometimes I speak about certain germanic tribes as you will see in my upcoming videos. I do find the germanic sources very important for a variety of reasons, one of which is the fact that the germanic cults spread to Scandinavia and changed the entire religious background and brought new gods. Continental Germanic paganism in many aspects is the roots of Norse paganism.
Fantastic! Thank you!
Wow great video thoroughly injoyed it.
Thank you ^^
Arith Härger no thanks you!! I'm glad we finally got to see some of your personal beliefs and feelings. I've never heard of rokkatru before so definitely opened my eyes to other norse ideologys
Achei bastante interessante, relevante e instigantes as reflexões presentes nesse vídeo, me acrescentou bastante.
Obrigado!
Love this
what a treasure to find, enduring a spiritual crisis/purge/renaissance
Congrats on 2k+ by the way!
Edit: what books would you recommend regarding Rokkatru?
Thank you! hehe, well to be honest, and this is strange to me as I consume books all the time, but I haven't read one single book about Rokkatru. I'm not even sure if they exist because I've tried to find and I just can't find a single book about it. My knowledge of Rokkatru comes from personal contact with people who have this spiritual path and that's about it, that's why this video is much more my own interpretation rather than supported by a more academic resource, because in academic there's nothing concening this because it's a contemporaneous spirituality and we sill haven't religious studies about it.
Arith Härger fair enough!
It sounds pretty interesting, a very different take on the Norse traditions to Ásatrú. It could probably be applied to many of the European pagan traditions.
Dr Mahlek bro for resources on Rokkatru you may wanna check out Edred Thorsson- he’s very prolific there. Not on RUclips I don’t think and I’m unsure if he wrote a book on it but he’s got websites on it.
Raven Kaldera is not considered mainstream but he has a book on the Jotun if you want to read it.
Try ekortu’s site www.ixaxaar.com/ there is a 3 volume series on Thursian sorcery ✨🖤✨
Really enjoyed your video, a great work!! Thanks, thanks a lot!!
I'm so glad you said that.
Sometimes its rather terrifying what other people see norse paganism through the lense of christianity without real understanding. Its terrifying because that lense steal ummm a lot of peace from them, it start those small "christian wars" within pagan society. Which I found wrong and sad. Its not the way it should be (in my opinion)
Anyway, just wanted to say I love your channel. You're such a nice human being.
Thank you for this presentation and sharing of your thoughts, Arity Harger. You are "growing on me". You are stimulating me. I am grateful for this, because it helps me to feel More Alive. Thank You.
While listening to you and admiring the smooth flow and surety of your speak, a thought came to me that: In the biggest sense of Order, that I can imagine, there would be included Growth Of Individuals (Toward more Spiritual Things Being The Best They Can Be) and this Order is provident, productive and protective of this Evolution. Supportive of More and Better. More and Better Goodness...with a resultant reduction in "badness".
I believe that "Lucifer" advocated total freedom of Individuals (and societies?) that undermines and eventually disrupts certain levels of Order... before this is Earned. I also believe that the "Highest Level Of Order" is beyond any damage caused by the practices and expressions of premature total freedom...the freedom that cares not about consequences. This "Highest Level Of Order", long in being developed by CREATOR and with much trial and error, finally became just about PERFECT and became the Source Pattern by which all "Lesser Realms Of Order" are compared. I believe that there is no "chaos" in the Highest Level Of Order", except maybe a token example, well contained and kept, to remind this Highest Order of the Reason for It to be in the first place.
"Total Freedom" eventually is Earned, from which some level of Godhood does begin.
Yes. I do fear chaos. It seems too close to mindlessness and heartlessness and nothingness. What Good is that? "Good For Nothing".
Thank you Arith. People don't even know what Lucifer. Means..
Thank you so much as always
the shamanic essence of our ancient culture works well through you brother you have a vast amount of knowledge and I'm glad I found your channel you have a new subscriber
I have always felt drawn to the Goddess Hel, sometimes I feel her calling to me, it’s not to die or anything like that, It’s a fellowship, it’s like she wants a relationship, I died 6 times as a infant. I kept thinking I need to follow someone like everyone else like Odin, Thor, Tyr etc. After watching this I feel it’s ok to have communion with the Goddess Hel. I feel this is the right path for me.
"I died 6 times as a infant" seriously like Sudden infant death syndrome or do you mena it in a methaforical way
Very fascinating. This perspective makes the theodicy question obsolete.
Thank you.🤘🏿😔🖤Ive been searching for so long, after so much sacrifice and events.Fate lead me here and I feel as though I exhaled for the first time in many years.🤘🏿😌😎🎸
I used to be in the 'condemn Loki' league for some time, but also was puzzled for a time over the large amount of Allfather worshippers, that concept to me clearly a Chistianisation aspect of parts of the Eddas. I have let go of a lot of the Christian influences, including the Loki conundrum, but your video, Arith, has still opened my eyes further, and I will now go and investigate Rökkatru some more as the concept is very appealing. Thank you.
Outstanding!
I do not agree 100% with every detail here. Though I highly agree with the direction in general.
I would not go to the extent of separating the 2 concepts, Asatru and Rokkatru. Though I understand why you have. The way I look at it is Asatru as a religion is the introductory path to return to the deeper pagan traditions, ideas and so on. Many people will just stop at this 1st level. But some will seek more, ask questions and delve deeper, as clearly you have. Such is also my way. And I feel the "name" or "lable" we use is more or less irrelevant. Other than for the purpose of discussion with a pre agreed definition.
Excellent work. Thank you very much!
Thank you very much for your feedback. Well, we should never agree 100% with anything; we should give some space to our own perspectives and opinions. Doubting and questioning everything it's what leads us to seek answers and subsequently to obtain knowledge hehe. Spirituality is just like everything else in life. We should always be in the process of learning and evolving.
@@ArithHärger precisely. :-)
Excellent sifting of cultural dynamics and the mythos of societal indoctrinations. Lifting the veil! I am humbled by the efforts you make in sharing. Always clean, precise, and to the point. Thank You!! (though I do miss the occasional Scottish viking cameo)
Thank you so much for your feedback and support! Oh yes, Mr. Thorstein is still on vacations but he will come, I promise. He's about to return during Summer ^^
Thanks for this interpretation.
love this, often wondered how satan could be related in a pagan view, thanks for another gem of wisdom in my journey
Thank you for your videos, i love them! It is not clear to me the difference between rokkatru and thursatru
thak you so much for the vids
I really love your videos so much. You have so much information to share and you also use all the real terms and names as they should be used. I have asked before but I’m not sure if you saw it. Do you follow the path of the Vikings, Nordic spiritual practices? Also I’d like to know what you do for solving because it seems to me that you must do something in the teaching world. Again thank you for the amazing videos and all the information you share. Great work and I really appreciate all that you do
There are so many beings in the Eddas and Sagas that are Jotun. I don't understand shunning them. Another great video. Thank you for these.
Love ya brother...
you make so much sense Arith and have reinforced my own ideas . Can you tell me where Freyr and Freyja fits in to this if at all ? many thanks :)