Collision 2023 - Riddles (Kazuya) VS Skyjay (Incineroar) - Grand Finals - Top 8
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This was the most unhinged bracket of all time.
Like seriously. Only 3 of the players who were supposed to reach top 8 actually reached top 8. And only one who was supposed to make the top 3 actually reached top 3: Spargo.
@@mody1710 He lost, yeah, but let's be honest skyjay had so many plot armor moments in losers finals. And Spargo had to beat apollokage, tweek, sonix and maister just to get there, and not a single one of those sets went to game 5.
@legrandliseur tri Spargo and Leo get a ton of plot moments as well, Spargo just got outplayed by Skyjay this time.
Nobody serious is saying Skyjay is better than Spargo, let the L be an L without making excuses
@@legrandliseurtri7495 better player when it mattered. If only for one set.
@@wlt3585 everyone fails to realize that skyjay has beaten spargo before.
Phenomenal Grand Finals. My personal favorite of all time. Skyjay you’re a hero
the worst finals ever
@@pepelepeuf 🤓
@@pepelepeuf inmigrant people is not allowed here mate, get out
@@pepelepeuf 90% sure you're only saying that because of Kazuya.
@@deadeyed2454 both
8:40 That was the wildest 0-death I have ever seen in a grand finals. If Skyjay had won, the crowd would have blown the roof off that place.
I love that this moment is like
What if I just run up to him and KICK HIS ASS
Doesn't quite beat Big D's at GOML for me but my lord it was good
And then he almost did it again 2 seconds later LOL
The game before this too was crazy with the lariat off stage
@@ClubSoda98nah man, icys are weird. No one knows the mu and desync combos are actually broken if the player is good and consistent. It's reasonable to expect at least 1 major win from a dedicated character specialist. Incin is universally known to be garbage lol
Imagine telling yourself 6 hours before Day 3 started that Leo and Light would be out at 9th, Leo got eliminated by ShinyMark, and Grand Finals would be Riddles vs SkyJay
Who the heck is Shiny Mark? 😳
@@bigtoblerone8446 God Pikachu I think
@@bigtoblerone8446 top 2 Pikachu, contender for no. 1 pika
@@zanyskeleton5291who is top 1 pikachu?
Electric samuel
Greatest set of the year so far. While we were all robbed of the reset, this set will forever hold a place in my heart.
What a wild and legendary tournament
Ill take the skyjay lima set
How was grands robbed, what happened
@@rosay559 grands reset I think he means
@@ambernez7427 correct edit made
Still can't believe this actually happened. Skyjay is a legend
Playing Incineroar at a super major always with a big smile and sportmanship.
This guy is a chad and hero
Skyjay is so good that he makes incineroar vs kazuya look like an even match-up
To be fair it genuinely is
@@northofmars lol
@@sergiozl10 it is, my inci eats kazuyas
As a day 1 kazuya main it is even, but regardless skyjay played like nuts good shit to both players 🔥🔥🔥
Revenge hard counters Kazuya.
Incineroar in the grands of a super major wasn't on my prediction list for 2023, but MAN was it sick to see. Huge props to Skyjay for his incredible run!
This is honestly one of the best sets I've ever seen for Ultimate, and maybe one of the best in Ultimate history
the worst finals ever
@@pepelepeuf 🤡
I read this same comment every tournament
Absolutely pure entertainment.
I didn't get to see this live, but watching this vod still had me on the edge of my seat even though I knew who was gonna win. Great set.
@@danielayala9087 That should speak to how damn good these grand finals have been
This was the spiritual sequel to Big D’s Ice Climbers run at GOML. Skyjay the people’s CHAMPION.
Well, i would say that Ice Climbers are an actual threat, the things is that it's a hard character, boring and doesn't have a lot of representation.
I thought that was sean
@@salvadorhenriquez4091 how is ice climbers boring? It's frustrating to play against sure but very fun to watch
@@greedo194 well, in that case is subjective
collision was a super major tho
words cannot express how bad I wanted to see a bracket reset. Skyjay is a HERO for this insane run.
Absolutely insane. Rooted for Skyjay the whole way. One of the best sets I've ever seen, especially live.
Seeing this match as an Incin main was a delight! So many insane plays from Skyjay in this match! Kinda heartbroken that he lost, but a great match nonetheless. Mad respect to Riddles too for winning under the pressure.
At this point none of us who play mid tier or higher characters have any right to complain that our main sucks LOL.
Unless you’re fighting FP2. Cause they make any character look ass
We didn´t the second Leo picked up Byleth who was considered a high mid tier before Leo won tournaments with him
@blue guardia those are literally the only bad dlc in the pack. The rest of them just invalidate everyone. Min min, kazuya , Steve.
@blue guardia It’s actually 4 out of 6 because they forgot to mention aegis
@@orb3796 Byleth has always been viewed as a significantly better character than incinoroar.
This was so entertaining. I haven't seen ultimate this good in forever
you know it’s gonna be a sick af set if its only 12 minutes long but goes to game 5
Insane grand finals. Brief but intense. Stocks “were” flying. Super explosive.
I went into this knowing it's a 20-something minute video and I still braced myself for a bracket reset halfway through game 5 somehow. Absolute insanity from SkyJay, even against Riddles' efficient brutality
Skyjay is SO explosive right out the gate. Huge props to him; incredible run.
How is someone this good, almost getting the bracket reset with INCINEROAR against KAZUYA. Skyjay is insane
Absolutely one of the best grands I’ve ever seen. Skyjay should feel incredibly proud of himself
This is one of the most entertaining sets of Smash I have ever seen. They went back and forth with each other. The only thing is that I wish Skyjay won the first set just so we could get a reset to keep the excitement going. The stuff he pulls off with Incineroar is insane. I cannot wait to see more from him. GG to both players!
“When the spaghetti fingers start setting in, man, he’s got the sauce”
This is so weirdly profound and I love it
This is probably the first Grand Finals I’ve watched fully.
I only watch bits and pieces of competitive Smash Bros vods, but this one stood out a LOT.
Both played great and huge respect towards both of them! Making it that far with a character like Incineroar isn’t easy, but Skyjay showed it’s possible!
I love when the announcers get so hyped they can barely call the match. That was basically the entire set.
My chest legitimately hurt from how intense this was
skyjay and riddles are two of my favorite players to watch and i could have never imagined them meeting at grand finals. this is so cool!
get better favorite players
Skyjay did so well this tournament. He was so close!
I always laughed in your Streams, at your jokes and your charisma, now you even showed that you are more than that, go as far as you could and even more... Skyjay without a doubt my favorite player and the hero in this tournament, I shouted of emotion with each steal that you launched and each impossible percentage that you reached, without a doubt, the best set I've seen so far
見応えありすぎる試合でした！
Skyjay's incineroar might be more entertaining than any kazuya gameplay
He's legit doing stuff I have never seen before, so scary and unpredictable and just absolute chaos to watch
Ofc, kazuya is boring af
Kazuya's been carrying the hype of this game for like 2 years now, the shock factor will obviously fade with time
it's absolutely more entertaining, Kazuya is wack
OFC HE IS
Two of the most entertaining characters in the game imo
Watched this live, and holy Wtf!!!!
This is absolutely imo one of Ultimate’s Top 3 sets! This was a game 5 set that lasted under 13 minutes! Such back and forth action! I feel bad for SkyJay but man Riddles and SkyJay put up such a show. This set and this tournament just makes me wished I was actually good at this game
Skyjay’s play was the most entertaining I’ve seen in a while. Wildddd hype. Riddles cracked as always
It's amazing how broken Kazuya is he makes Incineroar look honest.
???
Incineroar isnt exactly dishonest i dont know what you’re spouting here
@@andykim8641 revenge is OP
It’s all he has. What else is he supposed to do?
@@austinroccaro2219 Nah, he also has a ranged command grab, a good out of shield neutral special with multi-hits, and as we saw his up special can dunk. He also has fantastic air moves, especially up-air for combos & neutral air at ledge. I've played Incineroar. He's really fun and can be real cheesey. 🧀 But Kazuya makes him look honest.
Incin might be the most unifying character in the game. I think everyone finds him fun to play AND fun to watch
i love the difference in volume from the crowd between skyjays nasty combo game 4 to riddles’ in the exact next stock LOL
What an incredible Grand Finals set. Both of these characters just destroy each other and both a played by phenominal players. Definitely one of my favourite Smash Ultimate sets of all time!
Greatest grand finals of year so far, for sureee
8:42 This set was insane overall, but this play right here was incredible!
The crowd was out of control!
Wasn't true. Riddles likes to mash. You can see him throw out a hitbox
@@lostxnxyou dawg who cares if it wasn't true the play was still insane
Riddles won the tournament but SkyJay won the crowd, the fans, and the risen of tier list for Incineroar. Congratulations to both players. That was immaculate.
I’ve never been more nervous during a set, I’m a big Riddles fan but Skyjay played insanely well
11:53 This whole interaction here is why Kazuya is such a weird character to me. He just looks like he's poking Incineroar with his fists, and the hit sound effects aren't all that meaty. But then Incineroar takes like 100% from the whole thing lol
*Hype and Hot Character
@@StudyingManually cringe and easy*
@@AHGavInDaUSA then where are all the kazuya players winning
@@AHGavInDaUSA get good
thats called tekken hitpause
This set made me believe in the future of smash bros again
It's hysterical how as the set progressed their interactions turned into touch to stock combos
That incineroar was literally on fire, great grand finals! I was tired of watching finals where players were camping all the time
Not sure if I should be critical given the current state of Smash. I am very happy tournaments like this are still being put on; I didn't think the coverage was good at all though.
No coverage of Kurama, Quidd, etc on final day. So many great matches not covered; and no live watchback/video available for day 3 on the Collosal-twitch stream.
It felt like top 64 just began, a few matches were streamed, then it was all over before it had even begun. Maybe start the singles bracket on friday, in order to be able to cover more matches?
They only had 3 days and a limited number of commentators to show 2 massive tournaments and 4 side events. They did their best
@@silverpotato4272 Yes, that is a very fair point. I am thankful they put on the tourney!
They didnt cover Quidd vs Chag on day 1. What set did they have on day 1 that was bigger than the 19 seed vs the 30 seed?
And Quidd vs Dabuz in top 64. Shinymark beat mkleo with no commentary. No commentary for Tweek vs Light. While there was nothing happening on the main stream
@@silverpotato4272 Wow, okay I didn’t know that. They were a lot of hype matchups I wish we coulda seen but I guess they did their best
I'm hoping more sets are uploaded mainly the ones with the upsets like Light and Leo. Yeti also returned under the tag GodIMissHer he plays a mean MegaMan
One of the hardest fought and well deserved victories I've ever seen. Instant classic set.
I love tournaments where they don't have to be so PR friendly. You can really feel the excitement and none of the cursing is forced. This is genuine passion for the game. Love it
Man, this is one of the most stressful looking grands ive ever seen, stocks were made of glass. Well done by both, fenomenal stuff.
the best set ive seen bro already watched it 3 times thats how good it is shout out to Skyjay what an insane play over all congrats to Riddles never disappoints
Absolutely wild. Props to both players.
THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SETS OF SMASH I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE
Skyjays run in this tourney might be the greatest run in Smash Ultimate ever
This is my favorite ultimate set I've ever watched great job to both skyjay and riddles
最近見た試合で1番おもしろかった
This was amazing!!! What a grand finals they both played out of there mind. And dude made it far
6:00 F' OFF MY STAGE!
I’ve been binging so many smash vids and this is my favorite
Love Skyjay’s smile at the end of the match, he knows what he’s got and all that experience will be showed in the next tournaments, congrats to the man!
Kazuya with that big DLC energy.... Watching his electric bulldoze through Incineroar's side B was painful. Insane risky plays paid off though I can't believe some of those stocks Skyjay was taking!
Cope. Should’ve adapted instead of you crying.
Then kazuya recovered that one spike and the person next to me was like "HOW!?" and i was like "By paying $5.99"
@@matthewtrebs9738 I mean he was only at 25 percent, I can name like 10 characters that could’ve made it back from that
@@Livinglikelary97 not only that, but if you know the matchup you know that’s exactly where you don’t spike Kazuya at low percentage, he recovers well vertically as compensation for having bad chances for recovering diagonally.
No use talking to the kids in the community who’re dead set at discrediting Riddles though.
@@mody1710 true, even after riddles reverse 3-0ed sonix with terry the haters are still saying riddles is carried by kazuya…
I wanted SkyJay to win so bad, would of been so hype to see the best solo main of my main win. Hopefully he makes it to summit somehow.
Unfortunately this was the last spot for summit and Riddles got it
@@migrantcoin5643 as far as we know, would be crazy if they added a few more ppl from this tournament that had some breakout performances. After all its the last summit, DO IT BIG!!!
@@gimmieyogrits hate to break it to you, they're not adding more ppl. Maybe next time Sky will get in
@@silverpotato4272 ain't no next time, I'm gunna save a lil hope for a switch up 😆.
Instead we get Hbox
My heart was pounding when skyjay dominated that second set. That was ridiculously close and it just seemed like skyjay had it completely in the bag. I could see how Riddles took a moment to clear his mind and focus on defense on that last stock. Such a close match
I never realized how hype Incineroar was. It's like watching Cpt. Falcon in Melee.
Absolute madness of a set! Skyway what an inspiration 👏👏👏
Honestly I never expected Skyjay vs Riddles would be one of the best set I've watch !
Sorry for doubting you Skyjay, you're an absolute mad cat.
Most insane grand finals I’ve seen for Ult in a long time! Maybe this game is fun to watch
this is now a sick ass rivalry that everyone loves
first super major win for Canada in Smash Ultimate💪🏼🇨🇦
dominant 3-0 on Leo with Kazuya, crazy reverse 3-0 on sonix with Terry, and dummy hype game 5 grands vs Skyjay, Riddles went ham, ggs
Wait Riddles won a super major before when he beat Light with Kazuya's up air
Or it was a major. Remember? The 1st time he did it after being perpetual 4th and 3rd so many times, he began to cry a little on the spot.
@@bigtoblerone8446 that was Big House and it was not a super major, "just" a major. This tournament here is, tho
@@bigtoblerone8446 Big House wasn't that stacked.
@@daimajin266 oh okay
I forget what they considered it at the time but it was a big deal to everyone then when it happened and considering how emotional Riddles got it was the defining moment of his career. Well one of them.
I remember he faced light in gfs and realized Kazuya disjointed full invincible leg frame 4 upair was busted vs fox
@@fupalover uh i would consider any major a stacked event and it meant the world to Riddles when he won.
He may be using Kazuya but i don't think this character is as "free" as people think.
Like my Hero's are Tweek and Ned and i main Seph too and i know he's hard to play as cuz of his light weight and sub par frame data but he's not as hard to master as Kazuya is cuz i can barely do EWGF let alone do it consistently over and over right when needed like Riddles does; i gotta respect it
Props to Riddles for robbing us of 5 more games of greatness. Amazing set. Congrats to both him and Skyjay.
Yall act like Kazuya easy to play.
everybody can learn combos my guy@@Centurion2043
I love how at the end it sounds like everyone is shouting “Leo!”
That was hype ASF!!!!
I love this matchup cause its like a pro wrestling slug fest with two of the hardest hitting fighters.
Me preparing for Riddles’ video on the tourney titled, “How I won Collision 2023”
Was not ready for all that !
Congratulations, absolute and well deserved.
Hopefully this gets Incineroar some respect, he's clearly Sora Ltd's favorite heavy, he's got amazing tools disgusting kill power a hard to gimp recovery that can get you kill for daring to try and gimp him and one of the most actives and rewarding counters of the game, he's easily an A- character and very viable too. Also funfact upclose downtilt into upsmash is a true combo on most characters even on di out :)
Seeing how happy H-box gets for Riddles warms my heart
That was one of the best sets I've ever seen!
As an Incineroar main, this was exciting to watch. Love watching all the heavys fight: Dedede, DK, Bowser, Ganon, Incineroar, King K, also Plant & Kazuya are the same weight so they’re considered heavy’s too.
One of the best set ever. Skyjay is insane
Anybody saying they had Incineroar making it to grands on their bingo sheet is lying. Skyjay and Riddles are both legends
Mkleo threw vs riddles so he makes it in summit.
@@austinroccaro2219 nah, Riddles fucked him up and you're just hating
@@daimajin266 don’t kill the messenger dude, I’m only repeating what Larry lurr said. Leo smokes riddles without that Kazuya cheese when Leo plays his best characters.
@@austinroccaro2219 "Leo smokes Riddles when he plays his best character"
Lmao Riddles destroyed Leo's Joker at the summit
I was busy yesterday, so my first look at the bracket had these guys in winners finals and damn. Any other highlight sets to check out?
I think this will go down as one of Ultimates greatest sets
This is literally King vs Kazuya
is there ANY way to vote for skyjay to make it to summit. I wanna see that man COOK!!
Unfortunately no ): all 16 spots are filled now.
@@mrjollyguy25 tuff
@@mrjollyguy25 we should kick hbox off, ain't no one wanna see a mid puff
@@RandomStando 💀💀💀 why is he even here, feels selfish, he's already a massive legend in Smash and Ultimate isn't even his game
@Matthew Enriquez agreed. Hbox's chances of winning summit is the same as the rest of us. None. Skyjay defo deserves it over hbox
Already can’t wait for this week’s Tweek Talks
Bro this shit is so hype!! Didn’t know smash was this entertaining! Need more smash tourneys!
As an Incineroar main, skyjay just showed yall he's not low teir. Incineroar has some sauce
Riddles ought to offer Skyjay his Summit spot.
Coming back to this one , legitimately think this is one of the most hype sets of all time
Sheeshhh this set was so hype!! Had me sweating & almost jumping out my seat lol props to both players man great job, love riddles game play although this time I was low key cheering for Incineroar 😂
Omfg that broke my heart ❤️...... 1 touch and skyjay was dead 💔 Kazuya is indeed busted nonetheless well done riddlzzz
Yeah, let's conveniently ignore the 40% combos Incineroar did through all the match or that 67% single hit. Sure, that's completly fair and balanced. How about you stop being a manchild and enjoy the set for what it is?
@@BakingSoda4U tbh you come across as a manchild more than the other bloke. He's just voicing an opinion, if you disagree, good for you.
It's also completely reasonable to think that Kazuya is busted. EWGF breaks the historical risk/reward of fighting games. The risk is 24 frames of end lag, i.e. around 1/3 of a second, which is practically impossible to punish unless you are already perfectly positioned (noting you can't punish it like a traditionally shielded whiff punish because it auto-turns-around and pushes opponents back and out of shield). The risk of Kazuya challenging others with the move is basically zilch, because it gives him 12 frames of invulnerability with frames 1-8 being upper body or better (full body) invulnerability. Also worth noting the end lag is *hugely* lessened, because where most characters will need to input another action, shield, jump etc. (most of which have at least a 3-frame startup), Kazuya can buffer another EWGF and get frame 1 invulnerability again.
In contrast, the reward is an almost guaranteed kill regardless of positioning on stage, and *regardless of opponent's percent* (which is huge). The only times it doesn't kill is if the Kazuya stuffs up, or you fall off the side of the stage and have a frame 3 aerial option that can hit Kazuya. e.g. Incineroar has his frame 3 counter which saved him from death 2-3 times.
From a quick and rough count from this video, Riddles hit around 18 EWGF, and killed with around 7 of them, which is almost a 40% kill-conversion rate (regardless of Skyjay's percent). Of those he didn't kill with, most failures were input errors by Riddles, and 2-3 were from stage positioning and Skyjay countering off-stage. Most "failures" still resulted in at least 50% damage, and one was 0 to 122%.
Again, if you disagree with the guy, good for you. I personally think it's a valid opinion.
@@BakingSoda4U nobody is ignoring it. But I'd argue that's more fait then a one touch kill combo
@@luke8324 There's having an opinion and stating it in a respectful manner. Then there's being a sore loser who disrespects the player. I want to think you didn't realize he called him "RiddlZZZ" right after calling Kazuya busted, the implication being that Riddles is boring because Kazuya is "busted", and therefore he "carries" him. Ok, let's humor the guy and pretend for a moment that's the case.
If we are going to look at the "fairness" of this matchup then we have to take Incineroar's kit into account, right? Otherwise it'd be a moot "argument" about who holds the better opinion, which is a kindergarten-tier type of debate.
- Darkest lariat is a multihit move that can break your shield in three hits. Riddles was forced to roll out of it almost every single time, making him predictable. As a stage control and get-of-me tool it's amazing, forcing Riddles out of the stage on many ocassions, working as a setup for the next move.
- Alolan whip was able to cheese out Kazuya's limited recovery on multiple ocassions, the biggest offender being that kill at 40% based solely on Kazuya's predictable recovery. Stacking this move with the next one is what makes the matchup very manageable for the Incineroar player.
- Revenge is a counter with delayed damage. It's multiplier depends on the strenght of the damage dealt to Incineroar. It can also be used multiple times to store damage before dealing the final blow. This is extremely bad for any Kazuya due to his relatively superior damage output, meaning he'll always activate the maximum multiplier out of any usage of Revenge. It also has a frame-3 start-up, which makes it one of the fastest (and safest) moves in the game. Having such a low start-up time means he can pretty much use it on reaction, not even needing a read (even though those do help). From this set it is evident Kazuya was stopped on his tracks by Skyjay's abuse of this move.
The fact that Riddles was still able to keep his composure and figure out how to play around Skyjay's tools is in and of itself an extraordinary feat. Downplaying such efforts to "lol he mains the broken character, ofc he won" is extremely disrespectful and not simply "an opinion".
@@luke8324 Excellent Analysis! However, banning Kazuya is not an option
They are SCRAPPIN
Riddles looks more upset then skyway. Show someone the ending only and ask em who won lmao
What a set, man. What. A. Set.
Skyjay deserved the summit place
Kazuya, what a fun and balanced character!
>being THIS salty after all the Revenge bs Incineroar did
Lol
@@BakingSoda4U revenge doesn't cost $5.99 😉
@@salemcaverly6956 it costs 60USD
But like he is though
@@janmarcoperezbatres2203 $60 + $5
I used to play as Incineroar for fun and dropped weeks later & going back to maining Hero bcs of it weaknesses. And seeing Sky’s Incineroar doing some good shit I’m Grands made my day
This set was one of the best I've ever seen. Geez.
Riddles came first but skyjay won collision 2023
Skyjay got second in a STACKED tournament! That's the best placement for any Incineroar ever