I think you would have less problems with artificial streaming if there was more opportunities for editorial playlists for smaller artists. Justin Bieber doesn't need to be in an editorial playlist man. We're gonna hear about his music. Also, I've heard that Spotify/Labels collaborate to make sure some artists get into these editorial playlists, and in some sense, there isn't a difference between that and artificial streams.
Spotify is also guilty of this. We were fighting against Payola. Now we need a more stronger fight against Spotifyola. Spotifyola = The alleged act of paying Spotify so that your music gets preferential treatment in playlists and algorithms. This is a separate concept from faking or botting your playcount. We see this very often these days, and it's only sad to witness. Spotify needs to fix up.
Also they say don’t pay for streams, yet Spotify, in a reverse way, pays/saves money by supporting royalty free songs in all the instrumental playlists. Give hard working artist less a chance of success
I was placed in several bot playlists without my consent, and they inflated my streams to a point where my song Night Drive was taken down. I contacted my distributor and Spotify regarding this, and asked me to watch this video. This is a serious issue where artists who are promoting their song by themselves are put into these bot farm playlists, as a marketing strategy for playlists owner to have people reach out to them afterwards! This is a serious issue and because of this my song was taken down! I worked tons producing a music video, advertizing my song on SNS, and it all came to "I’m afraid this is something I can’t help you with. I’ll be ending this conversation now.". This is horrible.
My song got added to what I suspected was a bot playlist without my consent. I followed advice online and reported it to spotify. Cut to 2 weeks later, I get an email from distrokid saying that spotify has detected artificial streams so they've removed my track. I released this song over a year ago and worked hard to build an organic fanbase through gigging and posting on my artist social media accounts. Apparently the bot playlist creators randomly add songs to their playlist for a week to get the artist's attention in the hopes that they'll pay them to stay on the playlist afterwards. All spotify are doing to tackle artificial streams caused by this scam is penalising independent artists by taking their tracks down while these bot playlists remain on the platform targetting more independent artists. Its absolutely ridiculous. Spotify, you're ruining careers and you need to sort this out
This happened to me as well, I had to re upload my song. I contacted spotfiy afterwards and they said they "can't investigate individual cases" ridiculous.
I'm having exactly the same problem. When I speak to Spotify they just tell me to speak to my distributor (which I have done), and when I speak to the Spotify support, they refuse to provide me with any evidence of where these 'artificial streams' are coming from and hang up on me. I will be taking further action.
I’m an industry lawyer researching more about this because it’s technically illegal and I’m starting a petition to report Spotify to the department of Labor to start a lawsuit on behalf of all the artist that have been affected by this, literally their terms and conditions states that in simple words their platform is to be an open battlefield for every artist but the more cases I study the more I see the favoritism I mean you guys don’t even try to not make it obvious anymore, kinda rubbing it on independent artist faces. But soon we’ll be seeing each other in court so bring your best lawyers because my firm got a lot of people eagerly waiting to sign this petition.
This the thing … these ppl are wanting us to take their word for it at no time in that video could they prove of artificial streaming . I got a email from Spotify saying them and DistroKid working together against DistroKid artist . They do this to smaller artist and not major artist that claims to have billions of streams I’m filing a law suit
Oh my dear Spotify, where do I begin? Oh how I love and hate thee. You're telling a few lies in this video. 1: Labels and big DSPs, 100% have a direct line and meet regularly with editorial curators at Spotify for consideration of landing official playlist placements for their artists. 2: There is no way, no link, no customer service, no email, for people to "report" playlists who are charging money for placements. 3: Since you're so clearly worried about "bots", why have you not addressed the 10,000+ playlists that are falsely reported and removed every single day. This is a MAJOR issue, you're allowing bots to abuse a tool designed to protect people. You're allowing these spam and scam playlist curators to use bots to remove competing user generated playlists. Not to mention these particular playlists are followed by MILLIONS of your paying subscribers, and every time one of them is falsely reported, they are the ones affected by it, among others. Spotify, I love you and hate you. Fix these problems. Talk to your users. Hell, talk to your artists. Damn.
I’m an industry lawyer researching more about this because it’s technically illegal and I’m starting a petition to report Spotify to the department of Labor to start a lawsuit on behalf of all the artist that have been affected by this, literally their terms and conditions states that in simple words their platform is to be an open battlefield for every artist but the more cases I study the more I see the favoritism I mean you guys don’t even try to not make it obvious anymore, kinda rubbing it on independent artist faces. But soon we’ll be seeing each other in court so bring your best lawyers because my firm got a lot of people eagerly waiting to sign this petition.
@@juanespinosa42 I've seen this first and second hand. The artists are punished by Spotify because a third party has added a track to a playlist with artificial listeners. It makes absolutely no sense.
Sorry I love Spotify but how would you guys know if the artist is the person who bought bot streams for himself/herself. If someone buys bot service for an artist who he doesn't like/wants to harm and you punish the artist? That might be one of the most unjust sanctions ever in the history of internet. No right of defence, no forewarning, no alerting, just 'ex officio' punishment based on "prediction". And how about famous artists with millions of streaming? Are they all legitimate? Or you just don't want to bother them not to lose costumers?
someone blackmailed my friend to pay 700$ nor he will use bot streams on his songs and terminate his account... my friend thought this was just a scam or something so he ignored the message... the next day booom his spotify account got frozen/terminated! do you know anything related to that?
How do you protect artists by removing their music? I had 143k legit streams and I APPARENTLY get a artificial streams and my whole song is taken down? I didn't even get an email or a warning to say there was a detection of "artificial streams" I just got my song taken down.
This happened to us too. It's so heartbreaking and downright depressing. Taking our music down without warning is not the answer. We had no idea our song was even getting artificially streamed :'(
This BS happened to me too. I didn't submitted, request or pay for any promotion, however my lastest single was flag and I got a notification from Distrokid that they will remove my song. Then they want me to sign what is basically an "admission of guilt" and that I will not do it again. I mean, do what? I don't have control of what Spotify users do with the music. I didn't request anyone to place my song on their playlist. Hell, I didn't even submitted my song to Spotify editorial. So from no on, I will keep Spotify out of my distribution. I suggest others to do the same. If enough of us remove/stop placing our music on Spotify, maybe they will start listening and respecting the artist. They should penalized those scammers who create those playlists. Not the artists.
This is so fucking hilarious. The ONLY notable consequence of artificial streaming, is that if it became widely used, spotify would have to pay out more money to artists. Plays or streams have virtually no value to spotify, its the user that has value to spotify, since they are the ones paying for the subscription. Streams are only valuable to artists/labels, since more streams equals bigger payout. Spotify makes no money on bot streaming, or at least close no nothing, and still has to pay the artist for the streams. THAT is why they are investing so much time into this 'artificial streaming'-bullshit. Just say it as it is. This poses a potentially major problem for the stability of the company's financials, not the music industry and the artists within. It's ok to go out and buy your own music, but illegal to stream it.
That is not true. Artificial streaming does not make Spotify have to pay more royalties. It simply means less money for legitimate streams. They have a fixed amount of money at the end of the month that they have to allocate. Let's say they have $100 and 100,000 legitimate streams. That would mean that each stream gets $0.001. Now imagine that there are also 20,000 (undetected) artificial streams . They still have the $100, but now they have 20% more streams to pay, which means less money for everyone. $0.00083 per stream. My example is merely illustrative, but that is the actual issue with artificial streaming. So it is good that it is being addressed.
@@fangtasiamusicand then what happens if it’s not artificial streaming, what if it’s just more streams and all organic? Same situation occurs, Spotify is the problem here. Pay the artists.
I don't get it. If Spotify only accepts pitching through Spotify for Artists why are there so many artist in the editorial playlist that don't even have Spotify for Artists as they don't even are verified?
Those are Spotify's fake competition which only exist for them to pay other companies (also owned by the same shareholders) royalties. It's a big circle-jerk, and in any other market it would be rightly called corruption.
i place adds on instagram and youtube and when those adds run i have a spike on my plays. How is the algorithm going to differentiate that. All my adds goes to bin then?!
no - they'll see that they come from various places/listeners and not only from one town in "indochina". No worries. They want you to buy promotion and push your music to their platform.
Lol all spotify top playlists are Artificial and the games been doing it for longer than these bozo girls been working at Spotify .. 😂 they all breaking bread off the scam
My music was on peaceful guitar for a long time! It was huge for me, and I am grateful. Nowadays it is very difficult to get on editorial instrumental playlists because of all the “royalty free” library music. Those artist that create that music could give one less damn about fans and they do nothing really to bring business to Spotify. Why should they be promoted on editorial playlist when artist are working hard to get fans? This is something that I’d like to have better understanding about, but it’s an industry secret that nobody’s talking about. I personally share Spotify links to my artist profile every day. Those royalty free music people will never do that! I’m talking about epidemic sound and firefly entertainment and I’m sure there are other.
Facts! Judging by the fact that these same platforms aren't set up to make upcoming artists blow up. I know how many unnecessary artist gets forced down my throat even when I don't want to listen to them.
@@Torkumathefirst Let me disagree with you! Spotify is one of the few streaming services that promotes the music of lesser-known artists thanks to its high-quality recommendation algorithm and user-generated playlists. If someone really likes your music, Spotify will recommend it to people with similar tastes. Spotify 💙💜
@@DANIELKON this is not true. All evidence shows that Spotify's algorithms promote major label artists above all else, because the labels are part owners of Spotify.
And what about when you music is place of this "bots playlist" without your concent. Why artist specifically indie ones are penalized for something we don't have control over.
God this video is such BS. You say you care about protecting artists streams and "you know how hard we work," but if you actually cared you would do something about AI playlists and bots. Our song window was hit by artificial streaming bots, and we had no idea. We've never worked with a marketing company in our lives, nor do we have the money for something like that. Doesn't matter though, you took our song down anyways and after all the customer support messages i was told its "something you just can't help with." Do better by your customers and artists. It's heartbreaking to work your butt off for genuine followers and streams and to then be the victim of artificial streaming and be told you SOL. DO BETTER SPOTIFY.
Between third party services are people they working for spotify too!!!!! They working for spotify and make money outside of spotify with adding tracks to their playlists!!! So firts of all fire all idiots from spotify they make money with their playlists and start to support unknown artists because THEWEEKND or ED SHEERAN really dont need to be on every techno, every trance, every house, every chill and all other playlists they are supported and created by spotify. These artists have their own fan base and these fans will automatically search for them. SO the question is, why is spotify supporting only artists with milions of fans?????????? Stop making these stupid videos and start to help unknown artists to find fans. Every of these stupid videos are about how Ed Sheeran has make milions of fans in only 2 hours. This is stupid. None of these videos will help to an unknown artist, not one! Employ some normal people to spotify they will make playlists with only unknown artists and this will help us. Not a stupid video how someone famous has created a fan base of 10mio. fans in 2 hours.
The Real Truth?? - This is just so you think there is fake streams - Still spotify let’s labels to artificially increase streams and clean indie artists
I was added to several bot farm playlists without my consent, even had to write emails asking them to stop, being worried about my song being taken down. Then, one day without noticing, I got an email that my song Night Drive would be taken down. ALL MY ADVERTISING independetly led to this. All my money, music video production, everything, just to have it taken down because some bot playlists found my song and wanted to inflate it/fool me into thinking it was real streams in the hope of me asking to pay something. I showed Spotify screenshots of several rejection whenever someone asked for money for playlist submissions. THIS IS RUINING independent artist. Please Spotify, do something about this.
We were informed that one of our soundtracks uses the "Artificial Streams" method, without us getting involved in such suspicious activities knowing the risks. How is this possible? How can we prove that it is not so? Who can we talk to and how can we solve it? It's an error for which we are unfairly held accountable!
Spotify removed ALL of my songs -- two albums. How can I get my music back? No one is helping me and I never paid for any service or knew I had artificial streams...
This is sooo cringe cuz we know how things really work behind the scenes, but everybody is smiling and telling you not to do certain things cuz they bad 😁🤢
You will be hearing more from me. This artificial streams crap is a disgrace. YOU removed two of my releases because of 'artificial streams'. I had NO knowledge of any streams being artificial, I would NEVER pay for streams so IF any of my streams were artificial then they were because songs of mine were added to a bot playlist that I had NOTHNG TO DO WITH! The songs were added without my knowledge or consent and I cannot be held responsible for them. I have contacted your support through Spotify For Artists and you have closed the conversation on me 3 times! I have provided all the evidence you have asked for. I have contacted my distributor as you suggested. I have filled in their form giving ALL the evidence required. YOU are now telling me that the distributor removed my tracks on the 3oth June despite me showing you screenshots of emails I had from the distributor saying that YOU removed them on the 14th June. You asked me for a link to the playlist to report it. BUT you refuse to tell me which playlist it was that did the 'artificial streams' so how am I supposed to give you a link to a playlist when YOU won't tell me which one it is!! You say to report any suspicious playlists I see on Spotify For Artists. I didn't see any I considered to be suspicious as the majority of my streams were from what YOU call streams from "Other listener's playlists'. Now I KNOW for a FACT that I have been added to genuine listener's playlists so I had NO REASON to believe that those streams were artificial. On Spotify For Artists, I can also only see 7/88 playlists. I do not have access to any others because YOU won't show them to me. How can I report a playlist if I can't see which playlists I've been on? Which brings me to another point, a point that I raised with your support. YOU ask me for evidence of suspicious playlists. But when I ask YOU which playlist did the artificial streams, you refuse to tell me. YOU MUST know which playlist we're talking about here because YOU were the ones saying you'd found evidence of artificial streams. So where is that evidence? YOU show me the evidence that those streams were artificial. You MUST know otherwise why did you remove my songs? Why is it I have to provide you with evidence but YOU don't provide me with any related to the streams which YOU say you found? If you know a playlist use artificial streams then you know who to investigate don't you? YOU know the playlist in question, I don't. From talking to other artists, it appears it may be one based in Helsinki, Finland which I have told you to investigate. You asked me for a link to it but I am not currently on any playlists so I don't have access to them. If it is the Helsinki playlist, and YOU found the streams were artificial, then you already know which playlist to investigate. I don't know them. I don't have a link to them. I don't have a contact for them. I NEVER submitted my songs to them! If it's a bot playlist, they found my songs, they added the songs without my knowledge or consent. YOU must know who they are, YOU investigate them and stop THEM rather than pulling my songs and songs of other artists who are just victims in all this. I have now had to resubmit my releases. But I know I had some genuine streams on those tracks because I had been doing a lot of promo work for them, including taking out press releases which I showed you evidence of. Now, I have to do that all again. Which brings me onto your corrupt 1000 stream threshold. The tracks that YOU pulled, were getting close to that threshold. Now my streams will be back to ZERO. All because of some possible bot playlist that I had NOTHING TO DO WITH!! Spotify CANNOT punish artists for things they have no involvement in. I am sure that most artists do not WANT artificial streams because they mean nothing. A bot isn't going to come to a gig. A bot isn't going to be moved by your music. There is no satisfaction in artificial streams for a genuine artist. Spotify should be doing more to investigate any dodgy, bot-created playlist and going after them NOT the artists that get put on the dodgy playlists. You should NOT be punishing artists for something they are actually just victims of. Punish the people behind the bot playlists. Ban them. Stop them coming back. Fine them, prosecute them. Do anything but leave the artists alone! I will not be letting this drop and if anyone reading this wants to reach out to me feel free. Maybe we can form a group for artists to stand up against Spotify and protect our rights and our music. Likewise, if you are reading this and can offer any legal help or advice, please get in touch. I will be taking this further. I will not stand for this abuse by Spotify. If anyone wants to stand with me, please contact me. My details will be on my own page.
T pain his on of USA big stars he said they are all laiers like RUclips and Spotify ect just stealing original creators money let's say just a third party lol
What happens if some bot streaming shmuck puts an artist to some bogus playlist and artificially inflate their streams in order to hurt them by triggering Spotify's artificial stream detection, and then in turn have Spotify punish the artist for a crime they did not commit? How can artists protect themselves from this? Shouldnt Spotify be working more towards tackling bot playlists instead of harming the artists who were put on bot lists without their consent?
If you "feel terrible when an artist thinks they're purchasing a legitimate service", why are you going after the artists instead of those providing the fraudulent service?
I had my album removed through no fault or unlawful action of my own. I have never paid for or given permission for my music to be included on illegitimate playlists - yet like so many other artists, I’m being penalised for it. Spotify say they can’t help. My distributor is powerless. It’s such a shame for the countless number of unknown artists out there just trying to get their music heard.
Imagine being sent here after trying to talk to a manager over being falsely accused of buying streams and they remove your song...spotify is now a joke to me
So, I know exactly why my track had mopre streams than others. The person it was about posted about it on their IG and thats when it spiked. I even posted about it on social media. So youre saying anything slightly more popular (cos my track only had 3429 streams) is artificial? You know big artists and labels buy playlist plays all the time right? Maybe Im just not big enough. I realise music newbies might not know this but dont punish artists for what playlist bots might be doing without their permission
Spotify robberred me in day light....after making 200+ dollars on streaming......I don't know how it becomes artificial streaming.... Couldn't some one love my music and play it on repeat? You need to work this shit Spotify
So guys, is there an actual distribution service out there that knows better or is for us?! No evidence no stream playing services, definitely no third parties used and all of a sudden months of hard work and dedication down the drain, someone out there gotta have our back when it come to these corporate machines going after the little guy for doing well. Anyone can give me anymore information on how best to combat this please feel free to share 🙏🏽
While the concept is noble and just the system is exploitable at the artists' expense. I released an album this year in april, and comparingly to my other releases did fairly well. By "comparingly" I mean that it accumulated just shy of 2000 streams in total over 2 and a half months, which in royalties really does not translate to much. It was then flagged for artificial streaming and subsequently removed. I'm completely alone in my endeavour to make music, including marketing. The only platforms that I personally shared my music on was Instagram and Facebook. Either the system is flawed, and removed an album that did not make use of artificial streams, or someone outside my production team (consisting of me) hired a bot to generate artificial streams on my music. Either way it feels awful to have your music removed for a transgression you did not commit.
What do you mean you can’t buy a way into Spotify playlists hahaha ? 🤣🤣🤣 what about cases when rap caviar curator would trade placements for Rolex watches.. I know personally at least 10 people who paid their way into editorials and I know exact pricing and what were the results lol.. such BS, get better!! 3:00
Ok I'm against the bots but how do we promote when you dont even consider indie artists for editorial pitching . Plus the Spotify promotion starts from $200 minimum , I don't think many people can afford it while building the brand . Another thing 7.9 billion people are in the world and you saying 1 billion people are playing you're track irrespective of the education and knowing of the language looks sus . I personally know that most labels do Instagram , Spotify and other promotions like this and they ad on Instagram for cheap to spread it .
I would suggest Spotify to allow no premium users to reproduce at will independent artist's songs equally as they now can play any major label's artists. That feature is blocked for all users in a free plan ( that is a lot of users ). You say 'work hard to gain your fans' and we get that, but please whitelist independent artists and allow all users using the app for free to play their songs. I'm not talking about discoverability here, I am talking real traffic/fans the artist has already leveraged outside of the platform itself that when hit the play button of the independent artist's song can't play it at all. I know this because I talked to a rep. from Spotify on the chat and he basically told me: if the user is using the app for free he can not play your song at will. I know Spotify wants to encourage users to get in a paying plan, but there are other features they can block instead of compromising the independent artist for that purpose.
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OK, so what about the artist who have millions of streams from only one release, no profile details and are on a ton of your own editorial playlists. Which we all know is impossible from a new artist with one release. Looking at genres like ambient and lofi hip hop here. So how are they getting their streams?
@@jirimijirimijirimi they aren’t buying them per say, more so just being forced down everybody’s throat by putting their song in every playlist Spotify ever created. This happens because they want to always choose who it is that blows up. Half those accounts are people who literally work at Spotify.
so. what can we do when that new release gets hundreds of streams from a country/city we're sure we don't have any fans in AND WE DIDN'T PAY ANYONE FOR THIS? wavr ai does this for example.
This is crazy because anyone who has a paid Spotify account can add anyones songs to a playlist without their consent or knowledge. If someone does this and sets up a bot , a.i. or whatever is creating the fake stream then the persons song will get taken down. Why isn't Spotify protecting the artists? Why isn't Spotify disclosing the information to the artists so they can prosecute the person who does this to their music.
This is just shit to make any artist laugh.. so the company spends their time trying to crackdown on artist using bots, yet a mainstream artist that probably is cutting a check the streaming giants. On the day of release of their project or album is shoved into everyone’s face. Via if you don’t have premium, mainstream artist songs are played between what you are listening to, and if you skip 6 times in a hour, you have to listen to songs you didn’t ask for. And the biggest issue, mainstream artist release and are placed in “today’s hit” before anyone has even said the song was good. Basically, Spotify doesn’t like paying artist as it’s less than a penny for a stream, but cyber-god forbid you use bots to play the system that plays artist. They want to crackdown if they aren’t getting their cut. Madness I tell ya.. madness!
Except when someone big enough does it... then I guess "we can give them a pass" ... and they do it, every single time. So... the advice is to leave the gap in place and let yourself be unnoticed because "kids like that kind of music" and "surely it wasn't streamed 5 million times without a reason". The reason is they could skip the algorithm of exposure and its initial CHASM that would leave literally any kind of musical and production genius with 0 plays + whatever spam they managed to torture their nearest network with (if any, I don't even spam, let alone buy views). Worst thing is, if you publish a track/album and they end up unnoticed, it's worse than if you kept it and offered it to a label later. Once your music gets 0 attention it has been "tested" and "proven" as something between mediocre and trash. ADD TO THIS the ONSLAUGHT.... of AI that's underway, an AVALANCHE of AI-generated tracks being pumped out and into the market... and just stop pretending like these kinds of things matter for anything.
oh yea, what about all of the Epidemic sounds artists on copy and pasted editorial playlists that essentially hold the same music with just a different playlist title, oh did I mention the CEO is invested in Epidemic sounds?
Did anyone else receive a general email from SoundCloud with this video link in the body of the message. The email was titled artificial streaming: how it can impact you. It had further general information. is that email standard and sent out to everybody?
Spotify knows how hard artists work to make an authentic connection with fans. That's why Spotify is punishing artists, whether or not they are being nefarious themselves or not, without proof, when it's ultimately Spotify's issue that they don't have better systems in place to go after the criminals who are artificially streaming!
Great, this must mean Spotify will increase their payout per stream way above the current .003-.005 cents, right? That would surely help all the indie artists incredibly! Although, if you don't increase the payout above .003-.005 cents per stream, then this is merely another way to help Spotify's own bottom line.
Maybe dont remove my music just because I naturally advertised it on social media and my friends and family shared it and now after gaining over 3000+ streams over a couple of days, it's being flagged for artificial streams. Spotify, fix your bots who check for other bots please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Just pay to artists the share from users' subscriptions. I don't wanna pay royalties to The Weeknd if I don't listen to him. So only paid streams are counted for royalties. And free streams are only for the statistics.
Just happened to me ...they took down 5 albums and I only use distrokid and distrokids wheel of playlist...now I'm in hell trying to get it fixed ..no bots no out side marketing... you don't protect artists youre part of the problem
People used to do it for years and made big bucks. really big names doing it is something unknown artists with really bad music doing it was something else I knew some of them honestly made hundreds of thousands of dollars. Still some people are doing it tho...
There's already a lie in the very beginning of this video. You are ACTIVELY using these "rules" that you just decide whenever you want, to limit independent artists. How can attack the artists when they have ZERO say in who adds them to a playlist that may or may not have artificial streams? Just pulling a track with absolutely no information, and not providing any information is not only dishonest, it should be (and hopefully after I contact a few people) illegal. I shouldn't be wasting an entire weekend trying to figure out how/when/why a track got removed with no info provided.
Shortly on Point: If there would be more possibilities for smaller and more unknown artist, then there would be not the problem with artificial streams. I you want to be more famous and want not use a label, then there is no other fast solution for getting more fans without investing years into your career. Then people try to buy Follower, Listener, Fans and Stuff. That it not works, is a other thing. Most time you invest more money, then you getting back. If you cancel the payment, then you fall back to the status, which you had before. So it´s okay to not allow this artificial streams. I think the difference between the editorial playlist and the artificial streams is: On editorial playlists you have real listener. Artificial streams and playlst can be bot generated and the most ones are bot generated. How else should it work, when you stop the payment by Aartificial streams. A big scam for me.
Distrokid send me a email stating that You guys deleted my song for "Artificial Streaming" (I DID NOT PAY OR ARE PART OF NO PLAYLIST, NO BOTS, OR NOTHING SIMILAR TO THAT ) my artist name is LTProduza and the song is RED RUBY, I have many friend who are Artist for mayor labels who do Pay for streaming and you guys don't do nothing about it but want to penalize the ones who are getting they streams the hard way. I send a email to Spotify for Artist support. but i have the feeling a BOT is going to reply to my email. PLEASE FIX THAT AND PAY ME MY ROYALTIES.
I'm having issue atm I'm on 2nd strike I'm just gonna delete the tracks You contact spotify and they don't help just send generic copy and paste messages in reply
@@kapentachinsombareally? Wheel of playlist is bots? So DistroKid is basically offering bots and then penalizing you for it even tho it’s their service smh
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I think you would have less problems with artificial streaming if there was more opportunities for editorial playlists for smaller artists. Justin Bieber doesn't need to be in an editorial playlist man. We're gonna hear about his music.
Also, I've heard that Spotify/Labels collaborate to make sure some artists get into these editorial playlists, and in some sense, there isn't a difference between that and artificial streams.
I second this!
Spotify is also guilty of this.
We were fighting against Payola. Now we need a more stronger fight against Spotifyola.
Spotifyola = The alleged act of paying Spotify so that your music gets preferential treatment in playlists and algorithms. This is a separate concept from faking or botting your playcount.
We see this very often these days, and it's only sad to witness.
Spotify needs to fix up.
I’m with you here.
Also they say don’t pay for streams, yet Spotify, in a reverse way, pays/saves money by supporting royalty free songs in all the instrumental playlists. Give hard working artist less a chance of success
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I was placed in several bot playlists without my consent, and they inflated my streams to a point where my song Night Drive was taken down. I contacted my distributor and Spotify regarding this, and asked me to watch this video. This is a serious issue where artists who are promoting their song by themselves are put into these bot farm playlists, as a marketing strategy for playlists owner to have people reach out to them afterwards! This is a serious issue and because of this my song was taken down! I worked tons producing a music video, advertizing my song on SNS, and it all came to "I’m afraid this is something I can’t help you with. I’ll be ending this conversation now.". This is horrible.
Exact thing has happened to me!
I have the same issue @spotify don't ruin our careers!!!
The same just happened to me, they removed an entire album, except the songs weren't even in any botted playlists!
Same thing just happened to me. Just nothing I can do about it, it seems.
big names and labels are still preferred over small independent artists.
exactly this seems like it will hurt smaller artists more than anything? am I wrong?
My song got added to what I suspected was a bot playlist without my consent. I followed advice online and reported it to spotify. Cut to 2 weeks later, I get an email from distrokid saying that spotify has detected artificial streams so they've removed my track. I released this song over a year ago and worked hard to build an organic fanbase through gigging and posting on my artist social media accounts. Apparently the bot playlist creators randomly add songs to their playlist for a week to get the artist's attention in the hopes that they'll pay them to stay on the playlist afterwards.
All spotify are doing to tackle artificial streams caused by this scam is penalising independent artists by taking their tracks down while these bot playlists remain on the platform targetting more independent artists. Its absolutely ridiculous. Spotify, you're ruining careers and you need to sort this out
This happened to me as well, I had to re upload my song. I contacted spotfiy afterwards and they said they "can't investigate individual cases" ridiculous.
I'm having exactly the same problem. When I speak to Spotify they just tell me to speak to my distributor (which I have done), and when I speak to the Spotify support, they refuse to provide me with any evidence of where these 'artificial streams' are coming from and hang up on me. I will be taking further action.
exactly. What happened to me
This SAME thing JUST happened to me for a release in June and is now also happening for a release I did in July. It's frustrating
spotify robs indie artist for royalties
I’m an industry lawyer researching more about this because it’s technically illegal and I’m starting a petition to report Spotify to the department of Labor to start a lawsuit on behalf of all the artist that have been affected by this, literally their terms and conditions states that in simple words their platform is to be an open battlefield for every artist but the more cases I study the more I see the favoritism I mean you guys don’t even try to not make it obvious anymore, kinda rubbing it on independent artist faces. But soon we’ll be seeing each other in court so bring your best lawyers because my firm got a lot of people eagerly waiting to sign this petition.
Hahahah
Can I have your information? I'd like to contact you
I'd love to talk more about this.
This the thing … these ppl are wanting us to take their word for it at no time in that video could they prove of artificial streaming . I got a email from Spotify saying them and DistroKid working together against DistroKid artist . They do this to smaller artist and not major artist that claims to have billions of streams I’m filing a law suit
I will file with you@@SGEthelabel
Oh my dear Spotify, where do I begin? Oh how I love and hate thee. You're telling a few lies in this video. 1: Labels and big DSPs, 100% have a direct line and meet regularly with editorial curators at Spotify for consideration of landing official playlist placements for their artists. 2: There is no way, no link, no customer service, no email, for people to "report" playlists who are charging money for placements. 3: Since you're so clearly worried about "bots", why have you not addressed the 10,000+ playlists that are falsely reported and removed every single day. This is a MAJOR issue, you're allowing bots to abuse a tool designed to protect people. You're allowing these spam and scam playlist curators to use bots to remove competing user generated playlists. Not to mention these particular playlists are followed by MILLIONS of your paying subscribers, and every time one of them is falsely reported, they are the ones affected by it, among others. Spotify, I love you and hate you. Fix these problems. Talk to your users. Hell, talk to your artists. Damn.
I’m an industry lawyer researching more about this because it’s technically illegal and I’m starting a petition to report Spotify to the department of Labor to start a lawsuit on behalf of all the artist that have been affected by this, literally their terms and conditions states that in simple words their platform is to be an open battlefield for every artist but the more cases I study the more I see the favoritism I mean you guys don’t even try to not make it obvious anymore, kinda rubbing it on independent artist faces. But soon we’ll be seeing each other in court so bring your best lawyers because my firm got a lot of people eagerly waiting to sign this petition.
@@juanespinosa42 I’ll back you up on this if you really do it
I will also sign the petition@@Skillanfg
@@juanespinosa42 If you really do it sign me up too, This is totally unfair for small artist which work harder every day.
@@juanespinosa42 I've seen this first and second hand. The artists are punished by Spotify because a third party has added a track to a playlist with artificial listeners. It makes absolutely no sense.
Sorry I love Spotify but how would you guys know if the artist is the person who bought bot streams for himself/herself. If someone buys bot service for an artist who he doesn't like/wants to harm and you punish the artist? That might be one of the most unjust sanctions ever in the history of internet. No right of defence, no forewarning, no alerting, just 'ex officio' punishment based on "prediction".
And how about famous artists with millions of streaming? Are they all legitimate? Or you just don't want to bother them not to lose costumers?
someone blackmailed my friend to pay 700$ nor he will use bot streams on his songs and terminate his account... my friend thought this was just a scam or something so he ignored the message... the next day booom his spotify account got frozen/terminated!
do you know anything related to that?
@@justdont5835 that’s horrible. did he get his account back or anything?
i second this
@@justdont5835 that is what i just mean. Is it that easy to harm someone, Spotify management?
This is what I’m going through currently
So many major artist have artificial streams wonder if the major labels will be published 😉😏
I think so
WORD!
How do you protect artists by removing their music? I had 143k legit streams and I APPARENTLY get a artificial streams and my whole song is taken down? I didn't even get an email or a warning to say there was a detection of "artificial streams" I just got my song taken down.
😢
This happened to us too. It's so heartbreaking and downright depressing. Taking our music down without warning is not the answer. We had no idea our song was even getting artificially streamed :'(
This BS happened to me too. I didn't submitted, request or pay for any promotion, however my lastest single was flag and I got a notification from Distrokid that they will remove my song. Then they want me to sign what is basically an "admission of guilt" and that I will not do it again.
I mean, do what? I don't have control of what Spotify users do with the music. I didn't request anyone to place my song on their playlist. Hell, I didn't even submitted my song to Spotify editorial.
So from no on, I will keep Spotify out of my distribution. I suggest others to do the same. If enough of us remove/stop placing our music on Spotify, maybe they will start listening and respecting the artist. They should penalized those scammers who create those playlists. Not the artists.
Yeah its strange how my most successful song just happened to have artificial streams. Even tho I am totally against that and dont do it
I had over 4 million streams, my song blew up on tiktok and they took it down as well for that reason apparently
This is so fucking hilarious. The ONLY notable consequence of artificial streaming, is that if it became widely used, spotify would have to pay out more money to artists. Plays or streams have virtually no value to spotify, its the user that has value to spotify, since they are the ones paying for the subscription. Streams are only valuable to artists/labels, since more streams equals bigger payout. Spotify makes no money on bot streaming, or at least close no nothing, and still has to pay the artist for the streams. THAT is why they are investing so much time into this 'artificial streaming'-bullshit. Just say it as it is. This poses a potentially major problem for the stability of the company's financials, not the music industry and the artists within.
It's ok to go out and buy your own music, but illegal to stream it.
That is not true. Artificial streaming does not make Spotify have to pay more royalties. It simply means less money for legitimate streams. They have a fixed amount of money at the end of the month that they have to allocate. Let's say they have $100 and 100,000 legitimate streams. That would mean that each stream gets $0.001. Now imagine that there are also 20,000 (undetected) artificial streams . They still have the $100, but now they have 20% more streams to pay, which means less money for everyone. $0.00083 per stream. My example is merely illustrative, but that is the actual issue with artificial streaming. So it is good that it is being addressed.
@@fangtasiamusicand then what happens if it’s not artificial streaming, what if it’s just more streams and all organic? Same situation occurs, Spotify is the problem here. Pay the artists.
I don't get it. If Spotify only accepts pitching through Spotify for Artists why are there so many artist in the editorial playlist that don't even have Spotify for Artists as they don't even are verified?
Those are Spotify's fake competition which only exist for them to pay other companies (also owned by the same shareholders) royalties. It's a big circle-jerk, and in any other market it would be rightly called corruption.
There’s so many cases at courts against Spotify…
i place adds on instagram and youtube and when those adds run i have a spike on my plays. How is the algorithm going to differentiate that. All my adds goes to bin then?!
no - they'll see that they come from various places/listeners and not only from one town in "indochina". No worries. They want you to buy promotion and push your music to their platform.
Lol all spotify top playlists are Artificial and the games been doing it for longer than these bozo girls been working at Spotify .. 😂 they all breaking bread off the scam
not sure why them being women were relevant. Weird ass comment.
My music was on peaceful guitar for a long time! It was huge for me, and I am grateful. Nowadays it is very difficult to get on editorial instrumental playlists because of all the “royalty free” library music. Those artist that create that music could give one less damn about fans and they do nothing really to bring business to Spotify. Why should they be promoted on editorial playlist when artist are working hard to get fans? This is something that I’d like to have better understanding about, but it’s an industry secret that nobody’s talking about.
I personally share Spotify links to my artist profile every day. Those royalty free music people will never do that! I’m talking about epidemic sound and firefly entertainment and I’m sure there are other.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! one year later its even worse!
@@rubiooibur8534 it certainly is unfair
Artists need to make a living, bots are scammy, but let people play music on repeat to support their favorite artists
Facts! Judging by the fact that these same platforms aren't set up to make upcoming artists blow up. I know how many unnecessary artist gets forced down my throat even when I don't want to listen to them.
@@Torkumathefirst Let me disagree with you! Spotify is one of the few streaming services that promotes the music of lesser-known artists thanks to its high-quality recommendation algorithm and user-generated playlists. If someone really likes your music, Spotify will recommend it to people with similar tastes. Spotify 💙💜
@@DANIELKON this is not true. All evidence shows that Spotify's algorithms promote major label artists above all else, because the labels are part owners of Spotify.
MY MAN!!!!
And what about when you music is place of this "bots playlist" without your concent. Why artist specifically indie ones are penalized for something we don't have control over.
God this video is such BS. You say you care about protecting artists streams and "you know how hard we work," but if you actually cared you would do something about AI playlists and bots. Our song window was hit by artificial streaming bots, and we had no idea. We've never worked with a marketing company in our lives, nor do we have the money for something like that. Doesn't matter though, you took our song down anyways and after all the customer support messages i was told its "something you just can't help with." Do better by your customers and artists. It's heartbreaking to work your butt off for genuine followers and streams and to then be the victim of artificial streaming and be told you SOL. DO BETTER SPOTIFY.
Spotify is shameful!
Between third party services are people they working for spotify too!!!!! They working for spotify and make money outside of spotify with adding tracks to their playlists!!! So firts of all fire all idiots from spotify they make money with their playlists and start to support unknown artists because THEWEEKND or ED SHEERAN really dont need to be on every techno, every trance, every house, every chill and all other playlists they are supported and created by spotify. These artists have their own fan base and these fans will automatically search for them. SO the question is, why is spotify supporting only artists with milions of fans?????????? Stop making these stupid videos and start to help unknown artists to find fans. Every of these stupid videos are about how Ed Sheeran has make milions of fans in only 2 hours. This is stupid. None of these videos will help to an unknown artist, not one! Employ some normal people to spotify they will make playlists with only unknown artists and this will help us. Not a stupid video how someone famous has created a fan base of 10mio. fans in 2 hours.
The Real Truth?? - This is just so you think there is fake streams - Still spotify let’s labels to artificially increase streams and clean indie artists
And to quote “Here’s the thing” IF Y’ALL PAID ARTIST WAY MORE, THEY WOULDN’T EVEN CONSIDER MAKING THESE TYPES OF MOVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was added to several bot farm playlists without my consent, even had to write emails asking them to stop, being worried about my song being taken down. Then, one day without noticing, I got an email that my song Night Drive would be taken down. ALL MY ADVERTISING independetly led to this. All my money, music video production, everything, just to have it taken down because some bot playlists found my song and wanted to inflate it/fool me into thinking it was real streams in the hope of me asking to pay something. I showed Spotify screenshots of several rejection whenever someone asked for money for playlist submissions. THIS IS RUINING independent artist. Please Spotify, do something about this.
i have same f*cking issue!!!! what the f*ck
now i'm not sure if i should re-upload anything
We were informed that one of our soundtracks uses the "Artificial Streams" method, without us getting involved in such suspicious activities knowing the risks.
How is this possible?
How can we prove that it is not so?
Who can we talk to and how can we solve it?
It's an error for which we are unfairly held accountable!
happened to me too : my release was removed from Spotify
Spotify removed ALL of my songs -- two albums. How can I get my music back? No one is helping me and I never paid for any service or knew I had artificial streams...
This is sooo cringe cuz we know how things really work behind the scenes, but everybody is smiling and telling you not to do certain things cuz they bad 😁🤢
You will be hearing more from me. This artificial streams crap is a disgrace. YOU removed two of my releases because of 'artificial streams'. I had NO knowledge of any streams being artificial, I would NEVER pay for streams so IF any of my streams were artificial then they were because songs of mine were added to a bot playlist that I had NOTHNG TO DO WITH! The songs were added without my knowledge or consent and I cannot be held responsible for them.
I have contacted your support through Spotify For Artists and you have closed the conversation on me 3 times!
I have provided all the evidence you have asked for.
I have contacted my distributor as you suggested. I have filled in their form giving ALL the evidence required. YOU are now telling me that the distributor removed my tracks on the 3oth June despite me showing you screenshots of emails I had from the distributor saying that YOU removed them on the 14th June.
You asked me for a link to the playlist to report it. BUT you refuse to tell me which playlist it was that did the 'artificial streams' so how am I supposed to give you a link to a playlist when YOU won't tell me which one it is!!
You say to report any suspicious playlists I see on Spotify For Artists. I didn't see any I considered to be suspicious as the majority of my streams were from what YOU call streams from "Other listener's playlists'. Now I KNOW for a FACT that I have been added to genuine listener's playlists so I had NO REASON to believe that those streams were artificial.
On Spotify For Artists, I can also only see 7/88 playlists. I do not have access to any others because YOU won't show them to me.
How can I report a playlist if I can't see which playlists I've been on?
Which brings me to another point, a point that I raised with your support. YOU ask me for evidence of suspicious playlists. But when I ask YOU which playlist did the artificial streams, you refuse to tell me. YOU MUST know which playlist we're talking about here because YOU were the ones saying you'd found evidence of artificial streams. So where is that evidence? YOU show me the evidence that those streams were artificial. You MUST know otherwise why did you remove my songs? Why is it I have to provide you with evidence but YOU don't provide me with any related to the streams which YOU say you found?
If you know a playlist use artificial streams then you know who to investigate don't you? YOU know the playlist in question, I don't. From talking to other artists, it appears it may be one based in Helsinki, Finland which I have told you to investigate. You asked me for a link to it but I am not currently on any playlists so I don't have access to them. If it is the Helsinki playlist, and YOU found the streams were artificial, then you already know which playlist to investigate. I don't know them. I don't have a link to them. I don't have a contact for them. I NEVER submitted my songs to them! If it's a bot playlist, they found my songs, they added the songs without my knowledge or consent. YOU must know who they are, YOU investigate them and stop THEM rather than pulling my songs and songs of other artists who are just victims in all this.
I have now had to resubmit my releases. But I know I had some genuine streams on those tracks because I had been doing a lot of promo work for them, including taking out press releases which I showed you evidence of. Now, I have to do that all again.
Which brings me onto your corrupt 1000 stream threshold. The tracks that YOU pulled, were getting close to that threshold. Now my streams will be back to ZERO. All because of some possible bot playlist that I had NOTHING TO DO WITH!!
Spotify CANNOT punish artists for things they have no involvement in. I am sure that most artists do not WANT artificial streams because they mean nothing. A bot isn't going to come to a gig. A bot isn't going to be moved by your music. There is no satisfaction in artificial streams for a genuine artist.
Spotify should be doing more to investigate any dodgy, bot-created playlist and going after them NOT the artists that get put on the dodgy playlists. You should NOT be punishing artists for something they are actually just victims of. Punish the people behind the bot playlists. Ban them. Stop them coming back. Fine them, prosecute them. Do anything but leave the artists alone!
I will not be letting this drop and if anyone reading this wants to reach out to me feel free. Maybe we can form a group for artists to stand up against Spotify and protect our rights and our music. Likewise, if you are reading this and can offer any legal help or advice, please get in touch. I will be taking this further. I will not stand for this abuse by Spotify. If anyone wants to stand with me, please contact me. My details will be on my own page.
Stealing money 👎🏻👎🏻
T pain his on of USA big stars he said they are all laiers like RUclips and Spotify ect just stealing original creators money let's say just a third party lol
What happens if some bot streaming shmuck puts an artist to some bogus playlist and artificially inflate their streams in order to hurt them by triggering Spotify's artificial stream detection, and then in turn have Spotify punish the artist for a crime they did not commit?
How can artists protect themselves from this? Shouldnt Spotify be working more towards tackling bot playlists instead of harming the artists who were put on bot lists without their consent?
If you "feel terrible when an artist thinks they're purchasing a legitimate service", why are you going after the artists instead of those providing the fraudulent service?
This is funny because you guys let the music labels run Spotify
So paid advertising is now recognize as A.I.?.
That's everyone basically .
I had my album removed through no fault or unlawful action of my own. I have never paid for or given permission for my music to be included on illegitimate playlists - yet like so many other artists, I’m being penalised for it. Spotify say they can’t help. My distributor is powerless. It’s such a shame for the countless number of unknown artists out there just trying to get their music heard.
Crook company,.
Imagine being sent here after trying to talk to a manager over being falsely accused of buying streams and they remove your song...spotify is now a joke to me
fr like wtf
So, I know exactly why my track had mopre streams than others. The person it was about posted about it on their IG and thats when it spiked. I even posted about it on social media.
So youre saying anything slightly more popular (cos my track only had 3429 streams) is artificial?
You know big artists and labels buy playlist plays all the time right?
Maybe Im just not big enough.
I realise music newbies might not know this but dont punish artists for what playlist bots might be doing without their permission
Spotify robberred me in day light....after making 200+ dollars on streaming......I don't know how it becomes artificial streaming....
Couldn't some one love my music and play it on repeat?
You need to work this shit Spotify
So guys, is there an actual distribution service out there that knows better or is for us?! No evidence no stream playing services, definitely no third parties used and all of a sudden months of hard work and dedication down the drain, someone out there gotta have our back when it come to these corporate machines going after the little guy for doing well. Anyone can give me anymore information on how best to combat this please feel free to share 🙏🏽
I think it's like preventing the natural evolution of technology. I think Spotify makes a big mistake
Hey! The dog ate your cookies in case u didn’t know.
While the concept is noble and just the system is exploitable at the artists' expense. I released an album this year in april, and comparingly to my other releases did fairly well. By "comparingly" I mean that it accumulated just shy of 2000 streams in total over 2 and a half months, which in royalties really does not translate to much. It was then flagged for artificial streaming and subsequently removed. I'm completely alone in my endeavour to make music, including marketing. The only platforms that I personally shared my music on was Instagram and Facebook. Either the system is flawed, and removed an album that did not make use of artificial streams, or someone outside my production team (consisting of me) hired a bot to generate artificial streams on my music. Either way it feels awful to have your music removed for a transgression you did not commit.
What do you mean you can’t buy a way into Spotify playlists hahaha ? 🤣🤣🤣 what about cases when rap caviar curator would trade placements for Rolex watches.. I know personally at least 10 people who paid their way into editorials and I know exact pricing and what were the results lol.. such BS, get better!! 3:00
Ok I'm against the bots but how do we promote when you dont even consider indie artists for editorial pitching . Plus the Spotify promotion starts from $200 minimum , I don't think many people can afford it while building the brand . Another thing 7.9 billion people are in the world and you saying 1 billion people are playing you're track irrespective of the education and knowing of the language looks sus . I personally know that most labels do Instagram , Spotify and other promotions like this and they ad on Instagram for cheap to spread it .
I would suggest Spotify to allow no premium users to reproduce at will independent artist's songs equally as they now can play any major label's artists. That feature is blocked for all users in a free plan ( that is a lot of users ). You say 'work hard to gain your fans' and we get that, but please whitelist independent artists and allow all users using the app for free to play their songs. I'm not talking about discoverability here, I am talking real traffic/fans the artist has already leveraged outside of the platform itself that when hit the play button of the independent artist's song can't play it at all. I know this because I talked to a rep. from Spotify on the chat and he basically told me: if the user is using the app for free he can not play your song at will. I know Spotify wants to encourage users to get in a paying plan, but there are other features they can block instead of compromising the independent artist for that purpose.
OK, so what about the artist who have millions of streams from only one release, no profile details and are on a ton of your own editorial playlists. Which we all know is impossible from a new artist with one release. Looking at genres like ambient and lofi hip hop here.
So how are they getting their streams?
Buying them of course, or they may be industry plants that are still seedlings, waiting for their right time to come. 😐
@JIRIMI You can't buy streams, your account gets flagged and you can get banned. Unless, of course, it's your company.
@@jirimijirimijirimi they aren’t buying them per say, more so just being forced down everybody’s throat by putting their song in every playlist Spotify ever created. This happens because they want to always choose who it is that blows up. Half those accounts are people who literally work at Spotify.
so. what can we do when that new release gets hundreds of streams from a country/city we're sure we don't have any fans in AND WE DIDN'T PAY ANYONE FOR THIS?
wavr ai does this for example.
Surely there will be some actions taken to combat this since Spotify totally does not profit off of this 🧐
they dont tell u what system they use to detect it with if u dont have a name they taking your money
This is crazy because anyone who has a paid Spotify account can add anyones songs to a playlist without their consent or knowledge. If someone does this and sets up a bot , a.i. or whatever is creating the fake stream then the persons song will get taken down. Why isn't Spotify protecting the artists? Why isn't Spotify disclosing the information to the artists so they can prosecute the person who does this to their music.
Another thing they can do is buy botted streams and send the bots to the artist they dislike. If it's a small artist they won't stand a chance.
Never thought that the artist/distributor might not be the guilt?
the way that mouse hit that golden block at the end was so satisfying i dunno why. Yeah I HATE BOTS
This is just shit to make any artist laugh.. so the company spends their time trying to crackdown on artist using bots, yet a mainstream artist that probably is cutting a check the streaming giants. On the day of release of their project or album is shoved into everyone’s face. Via if you don’t have premium, mainstream artist songs are played between what you are listening to, and if you skip 6 times in a hour, you have to listen to songs you didn’t ask for. And the biggest issue, mainstream artist release and are placed in “today’s hit” before anyone has even said the song was good. Basically, Spotify doesn’t like paying artist as it’s less than a penny for a stream, but cyber-god forbid you use bots to play the system that plays artist. They want to crackdown if they aren’t getting their cut. Madness I tell ya.. madness!
Except when someone big enough does it... then I guess "we can give them a pass" ... and they do it, every single time. So... the advice is to leave the gap in place and let yourself be unnoticed because "kids like that kind of music" and "surely it wasn't streamed 5 million times without a reason".
The reason is they could skip the algorithm of exposure and its initial CHASM that would leave literally any kind of musical and production genius with 0 plays + whatever spam they managed to torture their nearest network with (if any, I don't even spam, let alone buy views).
Worst thing is, if you publish a track/album and they end up unnoticed, it's worse than if you kept it and offered it to a label later. Once your music gets 0 attention it has been "tested" and "proven" as something between mediocre and trash.
ADD TO THIS the ONSLAUGHT.... of AI that's underway, an AVALANCHE of AI-generated tracks being pumped out and into the market... and just stop pretending like these kinds of things matter for anything.
oh yea, what about all of the Epidemic sounds artists on copy and pasted editorial playlists that essentially hold the same music with just a different playlist title, oh did I mention the CEO is invested in Epidemic sounds?
Did anyone else receive a general email from SoundCloud with this video link in the body of the message. The email was titled artificial streaming: how it can impact you. It had further general information. is that email standard and sent out to everybody?
There’s literally no reason for an emerging artist to be on Spotify. Zero value for independent artists.
So basically we’re fkd as artist we have to sit there looking dumb on Spotify wit2 monthly listeners 🤦🏾
Spotify knows how hard artists work to make an authentic connection with fans. That's why Spotify is punishing artists, whether or not they are being nefarious themselves or not, without proof, when it's ultimately Spotify's issue that they don't have better systems in place to go after the criminals who are artificially streaming!
So bots do desaturate how much I'm getting from spotify. Good to know. How about user-centric accounting?
I'm manifesting an editorial playlist in the near future thanks in advance Spotify.
Great, this must mean Spotify will increase their payout per stream way above the current .003-.005 cents, right? That would surely help all the indie artists incredibly!
Although, if you don't increase the payout above .003-.005 cents per stream, then this is merely another way to help Spotify's own bottom line.
Maybe dont remove my music just because I naturally advertised it on social media and my friends and family shared it and now after gaining over 3000+ streams over a couple of days, it's being flagged for artificial streams. Spotify, fix your bots who check for other bots please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Just pay to artists the share from users' subscriptions. I don't wanna pay royalties to The Weeknd if I don't listen to him. So only paid streams are counted for royalties. And free streams are only for the statistics.
Just happened to me ...they took down 5 albums and I only use distrokid and distrokids wheel of playlist...now I'm in hell trying to get it fixed ..no bots no out side marketing... you don't protect artists youre part of the problem
People used to do it for years and made big bucks. really big names doing it is something unknown artists with really bad music doing it was something else I knew some of them honestly made hundreds of thousands of dollars. Still some people are doing it tho...
hey man are you from Iran?
where can we report playlists that charge also?
Haha, there's actually no where that you can report playlists like that. Spotify is lying about that one.
Let’s get paid more for are streams for all this stuff we have to go through
Oh Wow
Bullshit
The user Artister sells fake streams from fake playlists.
Pay them more then smh
worst fcuking costumer support from a company !!
There's already a lie in the very beginning of this video. You are ACTIVELY using these "rules" that you just decide whenever you want, to limit independent artists. How can attack the artists when they have ZERO say in who adds them to a playlist that may or may not have artificial streams? Just pulling a track with absolutely no information, and not providing any information is not only dishonest, it should be (and hopefully after I contact a few people) illegal. I shouldn't be wasting an entire weekend trying to figure out how/when/why a track got removed with no info provided.
Shortly on Point: If there would be more possibilities for smaller and more unknown artist, then there would be not the problem with artificial streams. I you want to be more famous and want not use a label, then there is no other fast solution for getting more fans without investing years into your career. Then people try to buy Follower, Listener, Fans and Stuff.
That it not works, is a other thing. Most time you invest more money, then you getting back. If you cancel the payment, then you fall back to the status, which you had before. So it´s okay to not allow this artificial streams. I think the difference between the editorial playlist and the artificial streams is: On editorial playlists you have real listener. Artificial streams and playlst can be bot generated and the most ones are bot generated. How else should it work, when you stop the payment by Aartificial streams. A big scam for me.
Have you seen the reality of life? Okay, hope you guys learned.
so deliver us a valid agency list where we can choose :-/
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Payola
Distrokid send me a email stating that You guys deleted my song for "Artificial Streaming" (I DID NOT PAY OR ARE PART OF NO PLAYLIST, NO BOTS, OR NOTHING SIMILAR TO THAT ) my artist name is LTProduza and the song is RED RUBY, I have many friend who are Artist for mayor labels who do Pay for streaming and you guys don't do nothing about it but want to penalize the ones who are getting they streams the hard way. I send a email to Spotify for Artist support. but i have the feeling a BOT is going to reply to my email. PLEASE FIX THAT AND PAY ME MY ROYALTIES.
If you used Distrokid's wheel of playlist it's all Bots
I'm having issue atm I'm on 2nd strike
I'm just gonna delete the tracks
You contact spotify and they don't help just send generic copy and paste messages in reply
@@kapentachinsombareally? Wheel of playlist is bots? So DistroKid is basically offering bots and then penalizing you for it even tho it’s their service smh
If you want to join the ''We Unsigned Playlist'' just tell me your band name and song and it will be added to it.
AVIDIAN “ Underwater “
A. Long - Save Room
@@JFredric Added!
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@@deliciousgrace3460 rad ! Thanks 🙏🏼