if they wanted it to be a cash grab they would have made it a normal trim and sold it to the USA. It's 500 and Japan only for a reason. americans need to learn that other markets and more cultures exist outside of american big horsepower and manual transmissions.
@@xan2242 Right, because the S series of those cars never sell out. And they are never more expensive than the normal models. Oh, wait. They do, and they are. This is not a performance version of the car. It's a special edition unlike the previous special editions. There is no real reason for it to exist. I don't know what you call that, but regardless of the market, I call it a cash grab. 🤷♂
@@mcglsr237 a cash grab would be them bringing this half-completed STI to the united states as a mainstream model and marking it up a shit ton because some losers gonna buy it anyways. but they don't, it's japan-limited edition only, I don't think your realise how common limited edition styling variants etc of cars are in Japan, every manufacturer always has some special mixed parts special trim on sale all the time, including Subaru. It's a different culture with different expectations, not american big mac culture.
@@xan2242 They already do that, it's called the TR/tS, but with no power bump. It would cost them more money to bring it over, market it, and then run the risk of not selling that many, ESPECIALLY when this falls far short of the USDM standard of an STI (and like over 80% of the WRXs sold in the states are manuals). That's not a cash grab. That's a oopsie. That's the opposite of a cash grab -- a ton of work for no guaranteed big pay out. However, as a limited special edition car, it WILL sell out over there, just like all the previous "S" versions sold out pretty much immediately. They've had to do pretty much *no work* to make this car, and they drive up exclusivity and the price. This is exactly a cash grab. At this point, I'm thinking our definition of cash grabs are different, and that's a-okay.
@@mcglsr237 what u need more horsepower for what? no fuel efficiency. they should do daily hatch like this with low horsepower with high efficiency. nobody drive so speed 😆
You need understand that Tokyo Auto Salon is mainly for the Japanese Market. Subaru recently hasn’t sold manual transmission model in Japan. The latest sports model in Japan is Subaru WRX S4, which has Sport CVT, while in other countries manual transmission is available. So, it’s not surprise.
296 horsepower is what the TS should have. The base model should have 285, and the STi should have 400. And Subaru needs to get rid of the CVT all together. Over 85% of WRXs sold are manuals. Just sell the car with a manual.
americans always forget that the "rest of the world" exists. The reason it is CVT is because it's for the Japanese market, where the VB WRX is only automatic... and that was because the vast majority of VA WRX's were also sold in automatic. Americans just have a hard on for manuals and big power numbers, which is precisely why they have intentionally decided to NOT selling it to Americans. They aren't dumb, they know their local market and they know majority of those people prefer it in automatic, not manual. If they made a manual WRX STI they would sell it to the Americans and make plenty of money off it.
@@xan2242 What’s your point?? You said other countries exist and love automatic transmissions, then you say if Subaru made a manual they would make a ton of money??
@@xan2242Subaru are dumb. They should just stop the WRX completely because it sucks, under powered, slow, and very ugly. Subaru should only make boring vehicles until they go out of business. Some of us enjoy driving fun cars and Subaru has failed.
@@4Freedom717 if they wanted to sell the S210 to the USA they would have made it manual, and regardless of however overpriced it is, people will buy it anyways. The local market for the S210 is Japan, where crazy power figures and being manual isn't the top priority.
It’s not even the HP that bothers me the most because that figure can get bumped up very easily with aftermarket. It’s really the CVT instead of a DCT or a manual. And no LSD.
I think it comes down to the 2.4 engine not raving over 6000rpm.. Subaru must see some longevity issue with letting it rev.. I think regular wrx buyers should be very weary of tuning up their VB wrx if Subaru simply will not.. it’s not a head scratcher it’s just the motor or transmission just can’t handle the torque. So they don’t turn it up.. I think the biggest clue is the low rpm limit.. ridiculous for a sporty car
@@jonttran1092 there a lots of people that have increased the rev limit to 7K with an aftermarket tune, a few I've seen have been making 400whp with the 7k rev limit for a little while. Probably wasn't making much more power efficiently past 6k with the factory set up. Considering emmissions and fuel economy are the biggest factors they concern themselves more with these days, that's likely why.
@@longdomedia so if it can take it why wouldn’t Subaru let it go to 6500rpm? Like the VA series or even older ej25? The engine is a Subaru ascent engine which they thought they could throw In the wrx and get away with it
I can never understand why Subaru stopped making the STI. They already had a power train that they could have added to the current platform instead of annoying all their fanbase by releasing disappointing versions of the current wrx. If they can't design a better performance boxer engine that meets emissions requirements, they should drop the boxer engine altogether and make a more powerful IL 4 cylinder engine.
Because of the EPA. Subaru fleet gas mileage is not great due to pretty much every car having on-all-the-time AWD. They get worse gas mileage compared to other vehicles in the class. The STI got pretty much the worse gas mileage of the fleet, and pulled the average down. Other brands have one or two shitty base model FWD that gets like 40 MPG to help pull the average up and make room for vehicles with lower mileage. Subaru isn't so lucky.
@@mcglsr237so does the civic type r real shitty mileage. The gas tank is smaller as well. 12 gallons. A fill up only gets 250 miles if you drive like a senior citizen.
The way you ended that video is exactly 100% correct... I'm not even a business person or anything and I would know to not make a stupid decision like that
Not sure why anyones surprised this has come with the SPT, 3/4 of the cars in japan are auto, this car was designed for the japanese market, most expensive model wrx comes with the SPT. If anything, I would have been very surprised if they offered this in a manual considering how hard they are trying to push the high performance torque cvt.
I have the gt and love it. I have stated this many times. Manuals are cool no doubt. I just want the ECU with the tune on it so I can tell Subaru to mate it to my car.
People are surprised because the car is supposed to be derived from the 24H Nurburgring race car which has a 6-speed sem-automatic sequential gearbox. A DCT would have more relatable to what was in the actual race car.
@@mtntrailsubie true, however this was still designed for the japanese market, not euro, not us, not audm. Japanese love autos and prefer them, so it's not surprising at all.
@@longdomedia I understand that the Japanese market is full of CVTs, but the S210 is not an ordinary car. It’s supposed to be a special car that is derived from an actual race car. A DCT would have made the S210 special and unique and still be an automatic at the end of the day.
@mtntrailsubie that's true, I do agree with the DCT, bit disheartening that they wont use transmissions from toyota like any of their auto boxes at the very least. I dare say thats probably because of maintenance for dcts, although I guess cvt servicing is potentially just as painful. Subaru just trying to develope their own in house drivelines rather than using others except for the gr86 and brz auto boxes. Either way, STE probably isn't far off, just going to enjoy the last of the petrol performance subies.
Even if they made a manual I feel people will still complain about the looks or find something else to complain about. I believe it will come here with about 1000 in quantity and like you said be around 60 or 70k and I do believe there will be a manual option. The GT ended up getting a manual option after a year so I think there will be one. But again most of you guys don’t even like the way it looks so you wouldn’t buy it anyway.
If you do not have a DCCD control, am sorry, you have a WRX.. STi is manual, DCCD, 300hp.. This has none of the 3! Sti owners drive manual, if you can't drive stick, LEARN!!!
Subaru has always been a disappointment to me. The price they ask, although more realistic than Honda, is still too high. This 210 STi is a joke with a CVT. I will take a 2025 Toyota Prius instead with AWD!
“AWD” isn’t that Toyota eAWD like a 5-10hp little electric boost to the back? I would hate to use that to do anything other than limp out of a snowy parking lot.
Currently, it is very difficult to produce sports cars in Japan, and the government policy makes it difficult to sell them. In addition to exhaust emission, noise, and fuel consumption regulations, there are too many restrictions imposed on car manufacturers to sell their products, such as the obligation to install electronic devices and cameras for collision avoidance and mitigation, under the guidance of politicians and administrative agencies supported by the elderly population due to the declining birthrate and aging population. As a car lover and a Subaru enthusiast, I am concerned about the future.
Always appreciate your updates. I just can't figure Subaru out. They are killing it with everyday volume vehicles, but it almost seems like someone high up is trying to sabotage their performance offerings with such obvious dumb@ss moves. A current regular loaded up WRX is approaching $40K of embarrassment for what you get. Can't imagine they will charge for this underwhelming pseudoSTI.
Yeah, I have said for the longest time once Subaru does a mid cycle refresh and body colors those side moldings and the rear bumper, they will also come out with a 300 HP + STI version.
@@fortheloveofnoise hard to see Subaru color matching the fenders since team STI left them on their 24H NBD race car. Probably will do a gloss black like the S210.
I’m telling you that fa24 there is something wrong with them.. they dont like to rev. The VA wrx went to 6600rpm, and ej25 before that. It’s designed for operation in the Subaru ascent suv and Subaru through they could fool everyone
To be fair the CVT in the WRX GT has always been able to shift the torque to the front or rear in the drive modes. Nowhere near as good as the traditional STi DCCD but it's something I guess.
I worked for Subaru Japan/America. Reason why STI didn’t “exist” this generation is Emissions. CAFÉ standards would have had Subaru penalized with fines if they had released the STI. Overall company emissions average would have been too high. ONLY reason companies like like Toyota can still get away with releasing sports cars at the moment is because of the volume of hybrids sold that offsets enthusiast cars. NOT SO FUN FACT: the reason this gen of WRX was debuted in orange WAS that Subaru did plan to debut the STI in blue…plans internally changed. Subaru is not a big company like the others, they can’t afford to be penalized. * read between the lines & tea leaves for what is in store for next Subarus & industry as a whole * ⛈️
I love it and since almost 100% of us will never get it , it doesnt even really matter. I've driven the SPT and its a fantastic transmission anyway. The way they set it up it just looks awesome. Tons of other car makers have autos for their sports cars so why not this one?
yep literally the only reason to care about the STI, i think it was flat irons tuning that once said the magic of the STI is that center diff in the transmission!
Everyone living in the western world are living in their own STi news bubble. Japan, Euro and many countries already have some sort of New Vehicle Emmission standards. Our NVES here in Australia just came into effect on 1st Jan. Japan already announced they are doing STi-EV, and STi 'sports' but you all want an STi 6MT. The CVT/SPT produces lower emissions than the 6MT. If they make an STi 6MT, it will have to be a special edition in very limited numbers, so few being sold that you, me, we will never get to own one anyway. There's no way around it for car manufacturers due to the NVES. Stop asking dumb question why factory FA24 doesn't make more horsepower. If you want STi power, you will have to build your own, so that Subaru doesn't get penalised by the NVES.
@@mikedaleiden7725 Please read up on NVES. Honda and Toyota will sell more hybrids than Subaru. Subaru is mostly a one trick pony, don't sell enough hybrids & EVs to offset the emissions.
Maybe you don’t know the transmission is call SPT. This car is both for racing, only make 500 limited Edition. the shift paddle is fast than manual transmission , that’s why it came from Automatic
I'm from Japan, damn country of AT and CVT. Impreza has been dead since it is divided from WRX. And now WRX is dead being intruded by CVT. Fxxking SUBARU. On the other hand, Though Honda haven't delivered all sold CIVIC Type R, it raised the price only changing the color of the interior. Sxxt Honda.
I wonder if this cvt is intentional, to make us hate gas powered cars. And we switch to public transportation or electric because the only cars made are trash cvt automatics. Hmm
The older I get, the less I mind CVTs. As far as I can tell, the "SPT" performs far differently than say, the Impreza CVT. I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. I don't think the hate is warranted. CVTs have potential, especially if they can be improved to handle more power and become increasingly reliable.
Subaru just doesn’t get it that’s all. They have literally self sabotaged the brand at least for an enthusiast like me. The fact the HP has been the same for 20+ years and then now less is a real head scratcher
I lost all hope in Subaru they are clueless when it comes to what we want and catering to the WRX and STi community. We don’t want automatic transmissions. MANUAL ONLY. Stop putting out the same disappointing WRX wrapped in a wannabe STI badge and looks. That is why I went back to Honda for a CTR
I switched from a 4runner to a subaru crosstrek sport. I went from Jeep to Toyota 4Runner to my 1st subaru. I don't do extreme offroading anymore since I had my kids, but with my family I had to pick a vehicle for my family. MPG, I love my new subaru and it get me places. I was sad when I sold my 4Runner but I absolutely love my new car.
Matt, as a fellow WRX FAN. I know it’s disappointing to see these specs. 😢😮😢 We all know Subaru is a business and there’s something going on that they need to comply with. 😮😮😮 Look at the bright side a used WRX is always a good option. 😊😊😊
People will always complain 😂. Cannot please everyone. I have the WRX and the only complaint is the shifter could be tighter. Just returned from 5 cm of snow and it tracks just like it was dry. Also, gas mileage is decent for 276 HP engine. The average is 10.6 litres per 100 km and I do not baby it. I do not need more power since I am not racing just enjoying the pick up and enjoying the handling. 😅
Gave up on Subaru after 2009, when they launched that Focus wannabe WRX 5 door for 2010.. it's been down hill since. Drove a 2024 VX for a few weeks and it was horrid; crappy seats, poor ergonomics and the driver assists almost killed me a few times.
I think this confirms to the VB owners that it is very safe to tune their cars with an intake and exhaust and an ecu flash and make 350whp. STI division just came late to the party as they undertuned the car for emission reasons.
🤣🤣 Upside though. I own a GT and it is tuned at 19+psi. It rips for city/canyon/offroad speeds. No issues even after 20k+ miles. One cool note, each mode for engine management has different levels of boost. Thanks to Dotson Tuning out of Texas via E-tune. ETS intake only. Going to retune after exhausted and cooler install. ✌️
I bought a 23 Onyx Xt Outback - absolutely love it! Wish it came with Stock 300 hp and I’d absolutely pay an extra 20k as I work for a living - with that go to your Dealer or (Ask) Subie USA for your Subie news - to date there is no STI planned till sometime near 2028 😞 so r u willing to pay extra for stock hp - if your crying for the bill at 300 imagine what 4 to 500 might be when it comes out with Toyota hybrid tech?
"For some reason, it will only be offered with the CVT transmission". Japanese consumers don't like manuals. Japan doesn't get a manual WRX in any trim. Why would this be a surprise?
But the Civic Si & Type R & Integra S are manual only. Might seem like a lot of money for a Civic, but it is universally loved and critically acclaimed. They also have great resale value and are very special cars that transcend their numbers. It's also roomier, hatchback, better build quality and reliability. Only reason I could see to get the WRX is if you absolutely need AWD. I'd personally go for Integra type S since they are usually at sticker while type R's are marked up and I prefer the styling.
@ that’s what I did got the type S a little below sticker and I love it. Plus I personally think the Type S looks better than the Type R. But it’s good they are manual only that means that they made them thinking of enthusiasts. Your regular grandma is not going to go in and buy one.
@@guitarrise4523 Yes everyone complains about price difference from Type R & S but real world they are very close (in Colorado at least). But yes I am partial to Integra's looks and it sounds better (audio and active exhaust).
Subaru is no longer looking to make sports cars and this is a prime example. They make safe reliable and affordable cars that are now topping charts especially with consumer reports. That’s what they want to be now a days and its sad to watch them usher out cars that make enthusiasts happy
Subaru has blown its final head gasket.
At this point disappointment is a standard feature on all WRX models.
So SubaruWRXFan will never be able to Rest In Peace... 😞
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Same or less horsepower and torque as 20 years ago? No upgraded STi transmission? No manual? This has to be a joke
This is no STI...this is a money grab. Shame on you, Subaru.
if they wanted it to be a cash grab they would have made it a normal trim and sold it to the USA. It's 500 and Japan only for a reason. americans need to learn that other markets and more cultures exist outside of american big horsepower and manual transmissions.
@@xan2242 Right, because the S series of those cars never sell out. And they are never more expensive than the normal models. Oh, wait. They do, and they are. This is not a performance version of the car. It's a special edition unlike the previous special editions. There is no real reason for it to exist. I don't know what you call that, but regardless of the market, I call it a cash grab. 🤷♂
@@mcglsr237 a cash grab would be them bringing this half-completed STI to the united states as a mainstream model and marking it up a shit ton because some losers gonna buy it anyways. but they don't, it's japan-limited edition only, I don't think your realise how common limited edition styling variants etc of cars are in Japan, every manufacturer always has some special mixed parts special trim on sale all the time, including Subaru. It's a different culture with different expectations, not american big mac culture.
@@xan2242 They already do that, it's called the TR/tS, but with no power bump. It would cost them more money to bring it over, market it, and then run the risk of not selling that many, ESPECIALLY when this falls far short of the USDM standard of an STI (and like over 80% of the WRXs sold in the states are manuals). That's not a cash grab. That's a oopsie. That's the opposite of a cash grab -- a ton of work for no guaranteed big pay out.
However, as a limited special edition car, it WILL sell out over there, just like all the previous "S" versions sold out pretty much immediately. They've had to do pretty much *no work* to make this car, and they drive up exclusivity and the price. This is exactly a cash grab. At this point, I'm thinking our definition of cash grabs are different, and that's a-okay.
@@mcglsr237 what u need more horsepower for what? no fuel efficiency. they should do daily hatch like this with low horsepower with high efficiency. nobody drive so speed 😆
So fed up with this CVT crap.
You need understand that Tokyo Auto Salon is mainly for the Japanese Market.
Subaru recently hasn’t sold manual transmission model in Japan. The latest sports model in Japan is Subaru WRX S4, which has Sport CVT, while in other countries manual transmission is available.
So, it’s not surprise.
296 horsepower is what the TS should have. The base model should have 285, and the STi should have 400. And Subaru needs to get rid of the CVT all together. Over 85% of WRXs sold are manuals. Just sell the car with a manual.
americans always forget that the "rest of the world" exists.
The reason it is CVT is because it's for the Japanese market, where the VB WRX is only automatic... and that was because the vast majority of VA WRX's were also sold in automatic. Americans just have a hard on for manuals and big power numbers, which is precisely why they have intentionally decided to NOT selling it to Americans.
They aren't dumb, they know their local market and they know majority of those people prefer it in automatic, not manual. If they made a manual WRX STI they would sell it to the Americans and make plenty of money off it.
@@xan2242 What’s your point?? You said other countries exist and love automatic transmissions, then you say if Subaru made a manual they would make a ton of money??
@@xan2242Subaru are dumb. They should just stop the WRX completely because it sucks, under powered, slow, and very ugly. Subaru should only make boring vehicles until they go out of business. Some of us enjoy driving fun cars and Subaru has failed.
@@xan2242 80% of cars sold in Europe are manual.
@@4Freedom717 if they wanted to sell the S210 to the USA they would have made it manual, and regardless of however overpriced it is, people will buy it anyways. The local market for the S210 is Japan, where crazy power figures and being manual isn't the top priority.
296HP with automatic for $63000, what do you say? lol
@@90sgamedev57 you say: hell. no.
Not even a good auto either it’s a CVT this is nothing but autotragic
why wouldn't I go with an M340i at this price point?
@@GingkoMisterat that price point just get a used M3/M4 lol
It’s not even the HP that bothers me the most because that figure can get bumped up very easily with aftermarket. It’s really the CVT instead of a DCT or a manual. And no LSD.
I think Subaru is about to be done with performance models
I think it comes down to the 2.4 engine not raving over 6000rpm.. Subaru must see some longevity issue with letting it rev.. I think regular wrx buyers should be very weary of tuning up their VB wrx if Subaru simply will not.. it’s not a head scratcher it’s just the motor or transmission just can’t handle the torque. So they don’t turn it up.. I think the biggest clue is the low rpm limit.. ridiculous for a sporty car
It’s a compromise engine for sure. It’s not entirely bespoke to the car.
@@jonttran1092 there a lots of people that have increased the rev limit to 7K with an aftermarket tune, a few I've seen have been making 400whp with the 7k rev limit for a little while. Probably wasn't making much more power efficiently past 6k with the factory set up. Considering emmissions and fuel economy are the biggest factors they concern themselves more with these days, that's likely why.
@@jonttran1092 transmission is a known weak point, not the FA24 engine. The CVT and TY75 manual are both weak.
@@longdomedia so if it can take it why wouldn’t Subaru let it go to 6500rpm? Like the VA series or even older ej25? The engine is a Subaru ascent engine which they thought they could throw In the wrx and get away with it
@@jonttran1092 look at the brz/gr86 fa24, still revs out to 7500rpm fine factory, I personally think its emmissions and efficiency still.
I can never understand why Subaru stopped making the STI. They already had a power train that they could have added to the current platform instead of annoying all their fanbase by releasing disappointing versions of the current wrx. If they can't design a better performance boxer engine that meets emissions requirements, they should drop the boxer engine altogether and make a more powerful IL 4 cylinder engine.
Widely rumored that since Toyota owns a large stake in Subaru, Toyota wanted to kill it before the GR Corolla came out.
Because of the EPA. Subaru fleet gas mileage is not great due to pretty much every car having on-all-the-time AWD. They get worse gas mileage compared to other vehicles in the class. The STI got pretty much the worse gas mileage of the fleet, and pulled the average down. Other brands have one or two shitty base model FWD that gets like 40 MPG to help pull the average up and make room for vehicles with lower mileage. Subaru isn't so lucky.
@@stefantakacs I find this highly unlikely. Especially since Toyota didn't even make a bunch of these cars in the first place.
@@mcglsr237so does the civic type r real shitty mileage. The gas tank is smaller as well. 12 gallons. A fill up only gets 250 miles if you drive like a senior citizen.
@@4Freedom717 Honda has hybrid FWD cars that pull the average up. Subaru does not.
The way you ended that video is exactly 100% correct... I'm not even a business person or anything and I would know to not make a stupid decision like that
Not sure why anyones surprised this has come with the SPT, 3/4 of the cars in japan are auto, this car was designed for the japanese market, most expensive model wrx comes with the SPT. If anything, I would have been very surprised if they offered this in a manual considering how hard they are trying to push the high performance torque cvt.
I have the gt and love it. I have stated this many times. Manuals are cool no doubt. I just want the ECU with the tune on it so I can tell Subaru to mate it to my car.
People are surprised because the car is supposed to be derived from the 24H Nurburgring race car which has a 6-speed sem-automatic sequential gearbox. A DCT would have more relatable to what was in the actual race car.
@@mtntrailsubie true, however this was still designed for the japanese market, not euro, not us, not audm. Japanese love autos and prefer them, so it's not surprising at all.
@@longdomedia I understand that the Japanese market is full of CVTs, but the S210 is not an ordinary car. It’s supposed to be a special car that is derived from an actual race car. A DCT would have made the S210 special and unique and still be an automatic at the end of the day.
@mtntrailsubie that's true, I do agree with the DCT, bit disheartening that they wont use transmissions from toyota like any of their auto boxes at the very least. I dare say thats probably because of maintenance for dcts, although I guess cvt servicing is potentially just as painful. Subaru just trying to develope their own in house drivelines rather than using others except for the gr86 and brz auto boxes. Either way, STE probably isn't far off, just going to enjoy the last of the petrol performance subies.
Even if they made a manual I feel people will still complain about the looks or find something else to complain about. I believe it will come here with about 1000 in quantity and like you said be around 60 or 70k and I do believe there will be a manual option. The GT ended up getting a manual option after a year so I think there will be one. But again most of you guys don’t even like the way it looks so you wouldn’t buy it anyway.
If you do not have a DCCD control, am sorry, you have a WRX.. STi is manual, DCCD, 300hp.. This has none of the 3! Sti owners drive manual, if you can't drive stick, LEARN!!!
Golf R....cheaper and easier to get vs S210.
The info entertainment system on these Subarus are horrendous. Just because of that I won't get any new Subarus.
Subaru has always been a disappointment to me. The price they ask, although more realistic than Honda, is still too high. This 210 STi is a joke with a CVT. I will take a 2025 Toyota Prius instead with AWD!
“AWD” isn’t that Toyota eAWD like a 5-10hp little electric boost to the back? I would hate to use that to do anything other than limp out of a snowy parking lot.
Currently, it is very difficult to produce sports cars in Japan, and the government policy makes it difficult to sell them. In addition to exhaust emission, noise, and fuel consumption regulations, there are too many restrictions imposed on car manufacturers to sell their products, such as the obligation to install electronic devices and cameras for collision avoidance and mitigation, under the guidance of politicians and administrative agencies supported by the elderly population due to the declining birthrate and aging population. As a car lover and a Subaru enthusiast, I am concerned about the future.
Always appreciate your updates. I just can't figure Subaru out. They are killing it with everyday volume vehicles, but it almost seems like someone high up is trying to sabotage their performance offerings with such obvious dumb@ss moves. A current regular loaded up WRX is approaching $40K of embarrassment for what you get. Can't imagine they will charge for this underwhelming pseudoSTI.
I have a feeling that they will make one more STI and bring it to the US. If it comes to the US it will have a 6-speed manual guaranteed.
I hope so. A VB with 330-340hp and the sti drivetrain, I’m instantly buying if it’s under 50k.
@@dewjustin man with how much they are asking for a tS nowadays, I’m thinking an STI would cost around $55k without markups.
Yeah, I have said for the longest time once Subaru does a mid cycle refresh and body colors those side moldings and the rear bumper, they will also come out with a 300 HP + STI version.
@@fortheloveofnoise hard to see Subaru color matching the fenders since team STI left them on their 24H NBD race car. Probably will do a gloss black like the S210.
I love it with a cvt transmission. I’m definitely getting it. Not everyone liked to drive a manual.
I’m telling you that fa24 there is something wrong with them.. they dont like to rev. The VA wrx went to 6600rpm, and ej25 before that. It’s designed for operation in the Subaru ascent suv and Subaru through they could fool everyone
To be fair the CVT in the WRX GT has always been able to shift the torque to the front or rear in the drive modes. Nowhere near as good as the traditional STi DCCD but it's something I guess.
Subaru means weakest glass transmissions ever!
I worked for Subaru Japan/America. Reason why STI didn’t “exist” this generation is Emissions. CAFÉ standards would have had Subaru penalized with fines if they had released the STI. Overall company emissions average would have been too high. ONLY reason companies like like Toyota can still get away with releasing sports cars at the moment is because of the volume of hybrids sold that offsets enthusiast cars. NOT SO FUN FACT: the reason this gen of WRX was debuted in orange WAS that Subaru did plan to debut the STI in blue…plans internally changed. Subaru is not a big company like the others, they can’t afford to be penalized. * read between the lines & tea leaves for what is in store for next Subarus & industry as a whole * ⛈️
I love it and since almost 100% of us will never get it , it doesnt even really matter. I've driven the SPT and its a fantastic transmission anyway. The way they set it up it just looks awesome. Tons of other car makers have autos for their sports cars so why not this one?
All I really want is the old 6 speed from the STI and the diffs to match. I’m fine with everything else including the engine
yep literally the only reason to care about the STI, i think it was flat irons tuning that once said the magic of the STI is that center diff in the transmission!
Obviously it’s not for the manual fanboys 😂 the Japanese market is very different from the other and not that many manuals are available.
Let it go people. Subaru is nerd car now. Go buy an RS3.
They should've also opted an NA 300Hp flat 6 with if you're sticking with the stock 300HP. Rid the unreliability and complexity.
The only negative honestly is no sti 6 speed trans. You can bump power drastically with an intake and a tune.
yeah this is weird. the s209 made 340hp and had forged internals! this s210 is a huge let down.
Everyone living in the western world are living in their own STi news bubble. Japan, Euro and many countries already have some sort of New Vehicle Emmission standards. Our NVES here in Australia just came into effect on 1st Jan. Japan already announced they are doing STi-EV, and STi 'sports' but you all want an STi 6MT. The CVT/SPT produces lower emissions than the 6MT. If they make an STi 6MT, it will have to be a special edition in very limited numbers, so few being sold that you, me, we will never get to own one anyway. There's no way around it for car manufacturers due to the NVES. Stop asking dumb question why factory FA24 doesn't make more horsepower. If you want STi power, you will have to build your own, so that Subaru doesn't get penalised by the NVES.
Funny how Honda and Toyota can manage it with smaller displacement without making such fools of themselves like Subaru.
@@mikedaleiden7725 Please read up on NVES. Honda and Toyota will sell more hybrids than Subaru. Subaru is mostly a one trick pony, don't sell enough hybrids & EVs to offset the emissions.
WRX S210 + CVT = Sacrilege!
Buy a base, tune it to your liking and quit crying ffs LOL
Imagine it’s a geared cvt. (Look up driving 4 answers)
Im simply over the STi as a Subaru guy /owner. My next purchase will be a premium WRX manual. I will simply work with that.
@@greym6436 at this point, i totally agree with you
@greym6436 same. Have an 05 RSX Type S as a garage queen and want something comfortable, safe, modern and fun. WRX fits the bill
Maybe you don’t know the transmission is call SPT. This car is both for racing, only make 500 limited Edition. the shift paddle is fast than manual transmission , that’s why it came from Automatic
Hello Sir I absolutely feel your pain, it's just next level disappointment. (Subaru)🙄😳🙄
I'm from Japan, damn country of AT and CVT.
Impreza has been dead since it is divided from WRX. And now WRX is dead being intruded by CVT. Fxxking SUBARU.
On the other hand, Though Honda haven't delivered all sold CIVIC Type R, it raised the price only changing the color of the interior. Sxxt Honda.
DIY S210 For the States:
Buy GT SPT (Auto WRX) ~ 45,000
Buy Brembos ~ 2500-4500
Buy 19in BBS Forged OEM Wheels ~ 5400(4pc)
Buy Intake: ETS ~ 360
Buy Dmann Tune + Cobb Accesport: 150+700 ~ 850-900
Buy Front Only AfterMarket Seats: Recaro Sportster GT Seats ~ 1200x2 = 2400
Buy Swan Wing: AFD Swan ~ 900
Buy Badges off blackhawkjapan ~ 30-100 (idk)
Buy S210 Grille off blackhawkjapan ~ 310-320
Total Expected Cost (My own calc) ~$59,830 (USD)
At least Subaru has been consistent. Consistently disappointing what is left of their enthusiast base.
NEW CARS SUCKS
Nothing here worth being happy with outside of the seats and wheels…. Such a FAIL!!
I wonder if this cvt is intentional, to make us hate gas powered cars. And we switch to public transportation or electric because the only cars made are trash cvt automatics. Hmm
It’s almost like Subaru is killing that model on purpose. It doesn’t make sense.
I think Subaru just wants to stop making the WRX and the BRZ so they can use the factory to make a new suv.
The older I get, the less I mind CVTs. As far as I can tell, the "SPT" performs far differently than say, the Impreza CVT. I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. I don't think the hate is warranted. CVTs have potential, especially if they can be improved to handle more power and become increasingly reliable.
Subaru just doesn’t get it that’s all. They have literally self sabotaged the brand at least for an enthusiast like me. The fact the HP has been the same for 20+ years and then now less is a real head scratcher
Easist way I can put it put the STI to rest let it go and just move on stop stressing yourselves Subaru is not
I lost all hope in Subaru they are clueless when it comes to what we want and catering to the WRX and STi community. We don’t want automatic transmissions. MANUAL ONLY. Stop putting out the same disappointing WRX wrapped in a wannabe STI badge and looks. That is why I went back to Honda for a CTR
I switched from a 4runner to a subaru crosstrek sport. I went from Jeep to Toyota 4Runner to my 1st subaru. I don't do extreme offroading anymore since I had my kids, but with my family I had to pick a vehicle for my family. MPG, I love my new subaru and it get me places. I was sad when I sold my 4Runner but I absolutely love my new car.
Why is "wrx" so difficult to say?
There is a standard, and sport mode for the dif on the head unit at least on the GT.
Matt, as a fellow WRX FAN.
I know it’s disappointing to see these specs. 😢😮😢
We all know Subaru is a business and there’s something going on that they need to comply with. 😮😮😮
Look at the bright side a used WRX is always a good option. 😊😊😊
辛口のコメントに賛同します。「S」は抜身の刀で良く安全剃刀ではダメなのです。SUBARUでなくSTIが主導で極めるべきなのです。
People will always complain 😂. Cannot please everyone. I have the WRX and the only complaint is the shifter could be tighter. Just returned from 5 cm of snow and it tracks just like it was dry. Also, gas mileage is decent for 276 HP engine. The average is 10.6 litres per 100 km and I do not baby it. I do not need more power since I am not racing just enjoying the pick up and enjoying the handling. 😅
Right, but it’s unacceptable for an STI. For your needs, the non-STI WRX is perfectly fine.
Love that it's only CVT.
Gave up on Subaru after 2009, when they launched that Focus wannabe WRX 5 door for 2010.. it's been down hill since. Drove a 2024 VX for a few weeks and it was horrid; crappy seats, poor ergonomics and the driver assists almost killed me a few times.
Imagine, a 300hp Tesla
This car will become a classic after Subaru went down and merged with Toyota. Like Nissan and Honda.
I think this confirms to the VB owners that it is very safe to tune their cars with an intake and exhaust and an ecu flash and make 350whp. STI division just came late to the party as they undertuned the car for emission reasons.
A Subaru Impreza WRX STI S209 would walk this thing.
And the S208, S207, etc.,
You glad you changed your channel name...
It a track car not a drag car. America used JPN cars for the wrong reason.
🤣🤣
Upside though. I own a GT and it is tuned at 19+psi. It rips for city/canyon/offroad speeds.
No issues even after 20k+ miles. One cool note, each mode for engine management has different levels of boost. Thanks to Dotson Tuning out of Texas via E-tune.
ETS intake only. Going to retune after exhausted and cooler install. ✌️
Subaru hates their customer base
Their CVT Feels like a "LIGHT DCT" with shift shock "feel" soo much better than Honda's CVT
GR Corolla here I come! 😂
I bought a 23 Onyx Xt Outback - absolutely love it! Wish it came with Stock 300 hp and I’d absolutely pay an extra 20k as I work for a living - with that go to your Dealer or (Ask) Subie USA for your Subie news - to date there is no STI planned till sometime near 2028 😞 so r u willing to pay extra for stock hp - if your crying for the bill at 300 imagine what 4 to 500 might be when it comes out with Toyota hybrid tech?
Subaru want to commit Mitsubishi.
"For some reason, it will only be offered with the CVT transmission". Japanese consumers don't like manuals. Japan doesn't get a manual WRX in any trim. Why would this be a surprise?
スバル WRX S4
STIコンプリートカー「S210」発表
500台限定 抽選販売 (予定)
85% of integras sold are a CVt and no one says anything
@@v12kingV10 yea but they offer a type s manual variant. Which is way better than any WRX.
@ $55,000 for a civic is crazy.
But the Civic Si & Type R & Integra S are manual only. Might seem like a lot of money for a Civic, but it is universally loved and critically acclaimed. They also have great resale value and are very special cars that transcend their numbers. It's also roomier, hatchback, better build quality and reliability. Only reason I could see to get the WRX is if you absolutely need AWD. I'd personally go for Integra type S since they are usually at sticker while type R's are marked up and I prefer the styling.
@ that’s what I did got the type S a little below sticker and I love it. Plus I personally think the Type S looks better than the Type R. But it’s good they are manual only that means that they made them thinking of enthusiasts. Your regular grandma is not going to go in and buy one.
@@guitarrise4523 Yes everyone complains about price difference from Type R & S but real world they are very close (in Colorado at least). But yes I am partial to Integra's looks and it sounds better (audio and active exhaust).
Subaru is doing this on purpose 🤦🏽♂️
1992 - 2021 Impreza WRX STi's are way better.
I like it I'll buy one.
The S210 will only be available in Japan, so it is not relevant to Subaru fans outside of Japan😊
😂😂 automatic transmission are best that’s why every car manufacturer are doing. It have to be for a reason cause he’s better.
Subaru is no longer looking to make sports cars and this is a prime example. They make safe reliable and affordable cars that are now topping charts especially with consumer reports. That’s what they want to be now a days and its sad to watch them usher out cars that make enthusiasts happy
Subaru sucks, and has forever.
Because Toyota is controlling them they don’t want GR Corolla to decline in sales. Subaru should really depart from Toyota.
What a sad time to be an enthusiast
boo hoo
First🥳😂
Car is amazing the problem Subaru should not brand name plate it as a WRX 🧏🏼♂️ Make more sense if Subaru offers GT model exclusively in CVT
Because Toyota is controlling them they don’t want GR Corolla to decline in sales. Subaru should really depart from Toyota.
a vb sti that lives up to its name would absolutely eat the GR Corolla