Well, I think that in the competitive players environment if some information is found and publiced to them, then everybody would know it. So if guy in the shorts discovered it himself, then there was no risk that anybody else would know it, only if they was planning to use the same tactic
to add to this, its a new item so its not like that interaction has been around for 10 years the only way people would have found out is if they themselves tested the idea or gambled on the interaction during the tourney
I don’t follow Pokémon closely. Did Ben place better than usual in this tournament? Was this setup actually more valuable than a meta Pokémon+item? Or just something cool but not that impactful?
@@bransonSconsidering the regulation in which he used the team, which did not allow legendaries, hatterene is quite a great option for a trick room team. Regarding the Clear Amulet though, it does not actually do anything too valuable for her on a regular basis, meaning a mental herb or even life orb would be better. The thing is it was a tool to trick opponents into thinking they couldn’t use parting shot to switch hatterene out (due to her magic bounce ability) and prevent trick room. In that sense, the amulet basically gifted Ben the ability to set trick room for free with hatterene in any match, which is insanely valuable imo
It's literally not a bamboozle... He's 100% using clear amulet for snarl because life orb hits like a wet noodle once a snarl hits. And there tons of snarl+av users in VGC
@@Joshwaheazo ya...I was using Clear amulet for snarl users among other sorts of attacks that decrease special attack. Though parting shot definitely never came out (probably because of other people's line of thinking) I just didn't want my damage to ever be effected.
@@ayakaloyalist Why are you using He in the first comment and I in your 2nd one? You can't talk in 1st and 3rd person 🤭. I agree though, I think it's a reach saying it's a bluff.
"Clear Amulet on Hatterene? What's that for?" "It stops people from forcing it out with Parting Shot." "But Clear Amulet doesn't--" "Do you see Hatterene being forced out?"
We're reaching levels of big brain that should be left for the World Championship Edit: Yeah, it's true: In a 2 day event, this is much more unlikely to work.
The issue is that the world championship is not a 1 day event. People would see the team and he would coast through day 1 (if they were all tricked like this), but on day 2 literally everyone would know they were bamboozled and now hatterene would just have a dead item.
yup, this tactic only worked against competitive players since they know almost all things, but casual players would prob be like "Eh, sure, why not" and completely negate the setup XD
@@mhchx3 Basically, the reason people thought it would work is about "ordering" If Clear Amulet was first, it would indeed stop Parting shot ; Magic Bounce just has priority over Item
unfortunately the pokemon community has been like this for forever now. its upsetting because i just like my cute lil dudes and ive got dudes calling me slurs and such
Because controversy makes a good interaction bait. More activity on the platform, the better. …or, more likely, it really is just a bug that sorts it to newest first regardless, bumping the "toxic" comments in effect.
@@tatri292 yeah, I think it just seems weird that "bouncing back" the move would give yourself the switch out effect. But really it is just a total reversal like you said and not actually a "bounce back" like the name implies
You would think it would bounce back the stat change but not the effect that wasn’t directed at it in the first place (the switch out). How can something not aimed at it bounce off it?
@@dragoncatoverload exactly man, very weird stuff. I guess it just completely swaps the move's effects to the opposite pokemon but "magic bounce" just doesn't sound like it would do that
@@coledavidson5630English names aren’t super accurate to what stuff is supposed to do. In Japanese Magic bounce is actually called “Magic Mirror”, it reflects what you use on it but as it’s a magic mirror it only reflects magical things like status effects! Hence why switching out wasn’t reflected..it’s not a status ig
Chef was really cooking on this one lol. Reminds me of Jamie Boyt running razor claw ogrepon and fairy feather flutter mane because people didn’t know what they did.
Doing some quick googling and its pretty clever this is considering how niche this interation is. There are no pokemon that are grass fire electric posion or ground types that have magic bounce, so under normal circumstances you would never see how magic bounce resolves with an immunity to toxic, will o wisp, spore, or thunder wave. The only way to see an immunity resolve with magic bounce(before clear amulet became a thing) is to use hypnosis on mega sableye/absol, but no one would ever use hypnosis because even base accuracy sleep powder is better. As clever as this was tho, its still a huge risk. It just takes one person guessing the correct interaction and then telling everone "magic bounce resolves before immunities" for everyone to know you have a dead item.
Ive competed in tournaments for a different game, and I know for my mindset going in is that tournaments are NOT the place to be learning how something work. Its best to trust your current knowledge and live with the results. This kind of trickery takes full advantage of that mindset and its evil genuis.😂
I feel like it was the opposite. Like a “this is so stupid it just might work”. Players at the highest level just assume the clear amulet works because why would a player use a “useless” item?
I mean he probably wanted to actually use this to actually prevent parting shot forced swaps, he saw the item and hoped it would prevent the swap but then when he tested it it didn’t work, but he realized that others might make the same mistaken assumption he had.
@@eggbug2244 Yea this works solely because this interaction would be the only reasonable reason for running clear amulet on the mon. Pro players see a clear amulet hatterene and assume the other pro player is genious. Which, they'd be right about that evidently but not in the way they thought
I did a similar thing at a charlotte regional. I brought contrary enamorous to do superpower spam and also had an indeedee with psychic terrain to stop priority. Unfortunately because enamorous is flying it doesn’t get protected from moves like fakeout but not a lot of people know that and don’t go for the move
@@tatri292 you would think that and for a lot of moves that’s how it works but apparently for fake out (and a few other moves) the target of the attack needs to be grounded
Crazy how in a game that's as well documented as Pokemon that relies mostly on statistics... someone can find a gimicky game mechanic that counters a major aspect of most peoples strategy
Clear amulet still isn't a useless item because it would also prevent stat lowering moves like snarl which would be a common option to mitigate its damage.
It’s not that useful on a magic bounce hatterrene, and WAS useless for the purpose it was put on to do (though ended up being useful due to lack of knowledge); they’re saying it’s specifically useless for not switching out, it doesn’t prevent that. And magic bounce prevents most status and stat changing moves, so running an item to prevent 1 move isn’t helpful 😅 There’s better items to run!
Covert cloak does this too, along with flinches, and more. This short is highlighting why clear amulet was used as covert cloak is better in every single way on hatterene. Even the regionals announcers were confused lmao
@@testerwulf3357 I know what Magic Bounce is supposed to do I just didn’t phrase it that well, more like I wouldn’t have considered that the switching out of Parting Shot would make Hatterene switch out instead of Incineroar
For those of you wonderimg what the fuck he said in this short Basically the item being held does absofuckinglutely nothing and the opposing player thought it did something so they mever bothered wasting a turn on it
The funny thing is this probably wouldn’t work on a less experienced player like myself. I’d see magic bounce hat and go, “I can force a switch with parting shot! This guy ain’t gonna see it coming😂”
It’s open sheet. You would ALSO know about the item! Unless you don’t know what the item does you probably aren’t going to partingshot unless you knew the trick already which less experienced people aren’t as likely to of known about the trick if pros didn’t
“It’s impossible to trick players with open team sheet” they said
Goat 🐐 ???
And I took that personally
@@MegaMetal96nah, everyone else is A[DONKEY]
(Joke)
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
@@Aaa-vp6ug no way you're censoring ass
The immense risk of this not working due to the fact it relies on other pro players not knowing this interaction can't happen is wild
That's sorta the whole point
L@KhalylSteward the point isn't the risk. But solid salty comment.
@@SkepticNL One: I know I was just being annoying to be annoying.
Two: The point is about bluffing aka risking cause he knows the risk
@@KhalylSteward I figured. Can respect the honesty though.
Well, I think that in the competitive players environment if some information is found and publiced to them, then everybody would know it. So if guy in the shorts discovered it himself, then there was no risk that anybody else would know it, only if they was planning to use the same tactic
Ben used the open team sheet to his advantage..thats extremely smart
Or, hear me out....... he probably didn't know about it himself.
@@aninass"they can't know what I'm doing if I don't know what I'm doing"
@@haddy106 they pulled the opposite of "you know whatever moves I'm going to do! Because I know every move you are gonna do! STRANGE ISN'T IT?!
@@AbyssalDragonYT ok had to call it out, yoooooooo Sonic OVA!!
@@sonicgoku24 YESSIR!!
So he ran an unnecessary item so people would think it had a purpose and thus missplay instead of the best move? Smart.
to add to this, its a new item
so its not like that interaction has been around for 10 years
the only way people would have found out is if they themselves tested the idea or gambled on the interaction during the tourney
Its purpose is to trick people into thinking parting shot will be blocked and its user wont switch out
@@namo2403 and in a big tourney in a game of chance and risk management like pokemon people wouldnt want to test the.
I don’t follow Pokémon closely. Did Ben place better than usual in this tournament? Was this setup actually more valuable than a meta Pokémon+item? Or just something cool but not that impactful?
@@bransonSconsidering the regulation in which he used the team, which did not allow legendaries, hatterene is quite a great option for a trick room team. Regarding the Clear Amulet though, it does not actually do anything too valuable for her on a regular basis, meaning a mental herb or even life orb would be better. The thing is it was a tool to trick opponents into thinking they couldn’t use parting shot to switch hatterene out (due to her magic bounce ability) and prevent trick room. In that sense, the amulet basically gifted Ben the ability to set trick room for free with hatterene in any match, which is insanely valuable imo
War is deception and that includes Pokémon battles.
"War is deception and that includes Pokémon battles." ~Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Damn, didnt know Sun Tzu had access to pokemon, wild
"Didn't you hear? All's fair in love, war, and Pokemon battles!"
~Jesse, season 1
The big brain plays. Man bamboozled them all
It's literally not a bamboozle... He's 100% using clear amulet for snarl because life orb hits like a wet noodle once a snarl hits. And there tons of snarl+av users in VGC
Or maybe he just didn't know either?
@@Joshwaheazo ya...I was using Clear amulet for snarl users among other sorts of attacks that decrease special attack. Though parting shot definitely never came out (probably because of other people's line of thinking) I just didn't want my damage to ever be effected.
@@ayakaloyalist Why are you using He in the first comment and I in your 2nd one? You can't talk in 1st and 3rd person 🤭.
I agree though, I think it's a reach saying it's a bluff.
@@Joshwaheazo He refers to the player Wolfey was talking about and I was referring to myself.
The truest of Trick Room strats: Tricking everyone else in the room.
The strongest video game tactic everywhere: _rely on extremely obscure mechanics that everyone’s either unaware of, or won’t risk finding out_
Yup!
Information is the most critical factor in the art of war.
-Sun Two, Pika Boogaloo
ahh The most famous quote
"I definitely said that"
~sun Tzu
This is true, I was there, I was the sun.
What you know is dangerous to your enemy. What you THINK you know is dangerous to YOU!
@@samuelsoliday4381and what Sun Tzu knows about knowing things is more than you do pal! Because he invented it!
Plot twist: he didn’t know either until after the tournament.
He still got the clear amulet to do exactly what he wanted even though it wasn't programmed that way XD
He really just called everyone out
i dont understand this statement
@@greycat3373i think he's saying that haterrene is hot?
"Clear Amulet on Hatterene? What's that for?"
"It stops people from forcing it out with Parting Shot."
"But Clear Amulet doesn't--"
"Do you see Hatterene being forced out?"
Next level mental game
We're reaching levels of big brain that should be left for the World Championship
Edit: Yeah, it's true: In a 2 day event, this is much more unlikely to work.
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The issue is that the world championship is not a 1 day event. People would see the team and he would coast through day 1 (if they were all tricked like this), but on day 2 literally everyone would know they were bamboozled and now hatterene would just have a dead item.
@@codetakuhe can switch teams between day 1 and 2
@@andrewwagner7363most tournaments don't allow swapping teams
@@andrewwagner7363 you have to use the same team during the event
Meanwhile my stupid ass would forget it’s holding Clear Amulet and click Parting Shot anyway 💀
yup, this tactic only worked against competitive players since they know almost all things, but casual players would prob be like "Eh, sure, why not" and completely negate the setup XD
@@ZaChemas I am a competitive player, I’m just bad 😭
Bro hit them with the knowledge check.
Hit them with the ultimate Gaslighting strat.
This could have been so stupid had he been found out, but instead he is laughing.
Bro bamboozled everyone, including me, and I just heard about it!
The fact that he even chose Hatterene for a modern tournament immediately made me cherish this man.
Hatterene is actually pretty good in doubles
@@aubarlowe It's pretty good in singles this gen too iirc
Actual tactics. Beautiful.
I watched this set live, and was so lost why everyone was saying clear amulet was there to protect against this but i guess I need to touch grass
Right ??? doesn't make any sense to me any average player with basic knowledge of Hatterene's ability wouldn't get fooled by this
Can you bring some grass over I might need to touch it as well😅
@@hemantjain2387 sorry this blade is taken
@@mhchx3 Basically, the reason people thought it would work is about "ordering"
If Clear Amulet was first, it would indeed stop Parting shot ; Magic Bounce just has priority over Item
The risk is pushing your own guy out and debuffing it as well. If you werent 100% sure thats a huge risk.
Plot twist:- he himself didn't know about that🤣🤣
XD
"Huh... interesting... i hope they don't know as well"
To fool your enemies you must also fool yourself- someone in history idk lol
yes because he never tested his team
As funny as it would be, he definitely knew
Uhmmm why did RUclips shorts comments get so toxic randomly
unfortunately the pokemon community has been like this for forever now. its upsetting because i just like my cute lil dudes and ive got dudes calling me slurs and such
A bug is pushing a lot of them to the top for no reason
Some videos' comments have also seemed more toxic to me this past week or so.
Nah I agree, like I expect this from like Instagram or Twitter but this is getting out of control
Because controversy makes a good interaction bait. More activity on the platform, the better.
…or, more likely, it really is just a bug that sorts it to newest first regardless, bumping the "toxic" comments in effect.
The fact that Magic Bounce interacts with Parting Shot that way to begin with is just mega weird
In some ways it makes sense, it just completely reverses the effect of the move. but yeah it makes very little sense at the same time
@@tatri292 yeah, I think it just seems weird that "bouncing back" the move would give yourself the switch out effect. But really it is just a total reversal like you said and not actually a "bounce back" like the name implies
You would think it would bounce back the stat change but not the effect that wasn’t directed at it in the first place (the switch out). How can something not aimed at it bounce off it?
@@dragoncatoverload exactly man, very weird stuff. I guess it just completely swaps the move's effects to the opposite pokemon but "magic bounce" just doesn't sound like it would do that
@@coledavidson5630English names aren’t super accurate to what stuff is supposed to do. In Japanese Magic bounce is actually called “Magic Mirror”, it reflects what you use on it but as it’s a magic mirror it only reflects magical things like status effects! Hence why switching out wasn’t reflected..it’s not a status ig
I remember when all you needed to do was play your fire pokemon vs the grass pokemon and you would win
Thankfully it got better
Those were the days. Also, Mewtwo was a real beast and I didn't even care about stats. It just was like that, the ultimate Pokemon
@@QuellicheilMarza not the mewtwo v mewtwo blizzard spam D:
If your playing against in game trainers its still that way but pokemon battles against actual people was never just have the elemental advantage.
You must be remembering wrong because competitive Pokemon was never like this, even in the early days.
Chef was really cooking on this one lol. Reminds me of Jamie Boyt running razor claw ogrepon and fairy feather flutter mane because people didn’t know what they did.
Also Power Band Scream Tail
The one time knowing your opponents item beforehand was actually a bad thing.
The pronunciation of Hatterene killed me
I also came here to say this
He's been mispronouncing pokémon names on purpose for years now.
@@flyingoctopus4304 Everytime I hear him say Rayquaza I think I lose a few years off my lifespan
I’m actually getting used to pronouncing Arcanine the way he does it, and that worries me.
@@Beamrice
Arcaneenay is amazing, but my favorite mispronunciation is Cinderachi.
Finally, someone decides to weaponize the -sylladex- I mean team sheet. Make your opponents eternally regret even asking you to open it.
Doing some quick googling and its pretty clever this is considering how niche this interation is. There are no pokemon that are grass fire electric posion or ground types that have magic bounce, so under normal circumstances you would never see how magic bounce resolves with an immunity to toxic, will o wisp, spore, or thunder wave. The only way to see an immunity resolve with magic bounce(before clear amulet became a thing) is to use hypnosis on mega sableye/absol, but no one would ever use hypnosis because even base accuracy sleep powder is better.
As clever as this was tho, its still a huge risk. It just takes one person guessing the correct interaction and then telling everone "magic bounce resolves before immunities" for everyone to know you have a dead item.
Im amazed how wolfe manages to explain this complicated set of interactions in under 1 minute.
Ive competed in tournaments for a different game, and I know for my mindset going in is that tournaments are NOT the place to be learning how something work. Its best to trust your current knowledge and live with the results. This kind of trickery takes full advantage of that mindset and its evil genuis.😂
Never thought I’d be reflecting on “MST doesn’t negate” in pokemon VGC but here we are I guess lol
This is some Zhuge Liang sitting on an open gate playing music levels of strategy.
When he was testing:
"To confuse the enemy, you must confuse yourself"
This is hilarious, good job grizzmo you've won the Pokemon mechanics knowledge award
God you tell such awesome stories that showcase how cool your competitors and colleagues are
That's the most polite youtube coment on an pokemon video i've ever seen
How did he even figure this out? He had to have accidentally stumble upon this right?
I feel like it was the opposite. Like a “this is so stupid it just might work”. Players at the highest level just assume the clear amulet works because why would a player use a “useless” item?
Maybe random battles?
I mean he probably wanted to actually use this to actually prevent parting shot forced swaps, he saw the item and hoped it would prevent the swap but then when he tested it it didn’t work, but he realized that others might make the same mistaken assumption he had.
@@eggbug2244 Yea this works solely because this interaction would be the only reasonable reason for running clear amulet on the mon. Pro players see a clear amulet hatterene and assume the other pro player is genious. Which, they'd be right about that evidently but not in the way they thought
Seems pretty easy to figure out ngl
Ben before every game: "bro did you know Hatterene has this weird interaction with clear amulet..."
That's actually genius; good on him!
I did a similar thing at a charlotte regional. I brought contrary enamorous to do superpower spam and also had an indeedee with psychic terrain to stop priority. Unfortunately because enamorous is flying it doesn’t get protected from moves like fakeout but not a lot of people know that and don’t go for the move
Ha, I wouldn’t be affected because I ALWAYS forget psychic terrain stops priority.
Huh I remembered the flying effect on terrain but thought the priority *user* had to be flying for it to bypass psychic terrain, not the receiver
You could tera out of that interaction tbf
@@tatri292 you would think that and for a lot of moves that’s how it works but apparently for fake out (and a few other moves) the target of the attack needs to be grounded
@@k_rudy4442 so most normal priority works like that but some don't? That's... wtf
He chose an item to stop people from accidentally making the most ideal play against him. That's hilarious.
Bro predicted every single opponent at once at the teambuilder
Crazy how in a game that's as well documented as Pokemon that relies mostly on statistics... someone can find a gimicky game mechanic that counters a major aspect of most peoples strategy
Sometimes, you just have to bluff with enough conviction to gaslight everyone.
I mean it might only work in one tournament ever but it did in fact work and i respect the gamble.
Knowledge check strats 😂
Bro pulled the biggest bluff of all time
Clear amulet still isn't a useless item because it would also prevent stat lowering moves like snarl which would be a common option to mitigate its damage.
It’s not that useful on a magic bounce hatterrene, and WAS useless for the purpose it was put on to do (though ended up being useful due to lack of knowledge); they’re saying it’s specifically useless for not switching out, it doesn’t prevent that. And magic bounce prevents most status and stat changing moves, so running an item to prevent 1 move isn’t helpful 😅 There’s better items to run!
@@testerwulf3357snarl (the most common way to lower SpA in this format) isn’t a status move so magic bounce doesn’t help
Cleat amulet was also used for Snarl, no special attack drops
Covert cloak does this too, along with flinches, and more. This short is highlighting why clear amulet was used as covert cloak is better in every single way on hatterene. Even the regionals announcers were confused lmao
I do not like how he's saying that. I've always said it like "ha-ter-reen"
Big same, never heard it the other way myself lol.
Honestly, I didn't expect any of the steps in that solution. For some reason, I didn't expect Magic Bounce to be a pseudo-auto-Snatch.
200 IQ play, right there.
that's kind of like how some ran roost over recover on the latis to make people think the grounded effect would've worked on levitate
“Nah I’d bluff”
😂
Wolfey looks like "that guy" at the end of scary movie 2😂
Edit: or is it the 1st... Anyways he turned heel
It's probably the only time this will work. Insane
it's amazing how smart Pokemon players can be
He used their imagination against them.
Geniusssssssss
I mean Clear Amulet did block the parting shots, js w a couple extra steps.
That is genius.
The ultimate element of surprise
Turns out Ben was the real trick room setter.
That was a photo finish. Crazy!
That's a Legendary Play tbf.💎
I probably would’ve used parting shot regardless not knowing enough to even consider Magic Bounce sending Hatrerene out
Magic bounce doesn’t send hatterene out. PARTING SHOT does, it’s just that magic bounce doesn’t prevent the switch out
@@testerwulf3357 I know what Magic Bounce is supposed to do I just didn’t phrase it that well, more like I wouldn’t have considered that the switching out of Parting Shot would make Hatterene switch out instead of Incineroar
He do be using Trick Room IRL with that strategy 🤣👌
lmaoo what a legend!
In 10 years we'll be considering satelite again
Ok.... Thats actually pretty smart.
Good on him. 8/8
I don't even play competitive Pokemon, but if I was trolled by this kind of tactic, I would be honored. 😂
He took "Trick" room to the next level
The 'huh' from dave the diver got me
He learned "Know thy enemy" from an ancient mfer and took it too heart.
Beautiful this is art
For those of you wonderimg what the fuck he said in this short
Basically the item being held does absofuckinglutely nothing and the opposing player thought it did something so they mever bothered wasting a turn on it
The funny thing is this probably wouldn’t work on a less experienced player like myself. I’d see magic bounce hat and go, “I can force a switch with parting shot! This guy ain’t gonna see it coming😂”
It’s open sheet. You would ALSO know about the item! Unless you don’t know what the item does you probably aren’t going to partingshot unless you knew the trick already which less experienced people aren’t as likely to of known about the trick if pros didn’t
@@testerwulf3357 most likely I would simply forget about the item altogether
His brain used growth in harsh sunlight
"Your next line is", then "Run away!"
This is a Joesph Joestar play
That is several layers of deep knowledge for Pokemon I simply do not have
I’ve never heard of anything like this before. That’s genuinely so incredible.
It's kinda crazy how much thought was put into this m and that's just one of these crazy pokemon strats
This video makes me happy
Bro pulled an "What they don't know can't dare to hurt me."
*Me just chillin* "trick room music"
Me again: 🦗 🦟 🦗 🦟
The amount of twists and turns this video has
What little devil, I love it
"Strategy is anticipating how your enemy would react to the information your present them."
Sun Tsu, the Art of Technoblade.
Whale shark Danny is adorable
Somewhere, a spiffing brit is cackling 😂😂
Im literally flabbergasted thats so insanely awesome
This sounds like such a stupid tactic, yet its also genius that this worked out.
This is the type of tactics i love to see.
love it when obsecure tactics fuck over everyone
Bro used 100% of his brain
Nahh I thought you meant Smeargle since all I ever did was pc it
smeargle is ummmmmm uhhhhhhhh kinda makes every one sleep uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
This dude must be a Psychic type...
Bro used Knowledge Check and it paid off
What a master bamboozeller😂