The work you do for the community is invaluable. Thank you. As for me, I'm done buying DTM stuff until they demonstrate they have moved from quantity to quality. I'd rather shell out $30 for a top-quality single engine from SS than $20 for 37 reskins from DTM, all day. And those sounds just scream "I don't give a toss for realism". I am actually happy to pay for the superb sound enhancements from AP. Immersion is everything, and good quality, accurate sounds are absolutely crucial. I wish DTM, and Dovetail as well, understood this.
It's disgusting and disappointing to have to deal with DTM shit. It's worse when it's actually very tempting to buy the stuff because no one can resist the old school stuff. And flying colors is more than enough to get a pass from me. But this is just unacceptable, even by DTM standards.
Check the trucks, passengers, interior lighting, tail lights, El Capitan drumhead, couplers on the Hi-Liners and be amazed over the lack of quality control. yet still people rate this DLC positive and praise it on RWA and elsewhere ...
@@Kanawha Well to be honest, there are freeware providers on RWA who provide much better content than DTM and DTG can provide. I especially adore the Britkits Narrow Gauge Shay. All of his locos basically. RWA is great. Idk what your problem with RWA is, but clearly you don't know how RWA works.
Wow! Hearing Santa Fe Skyway brought nostalgia. I need to get the PMDG DC6 for MSFS and grab a ATSFS livery for it. Also wanna add that I burst out laughing at that first F3s horn.
@@linkfan95 That, and the Milviz Porter PC6. It's done really well, and it's great for low and slow over beautiful scenery. Only it's not quite as low and slow as driving trains!
Only Twunnyfiedollah! But you are right. upon doing some research, Santa Fe's F3A's had silver/chrome-colored lower light housings and the grab rails on either side of the nose were in fact painted yellow. Good eye and attention to detail, I can't say I would have known any better otherwise! I had an old Lionel O Gauge A-B-A set of those when I was young. They were the first model trains I ever had with sound, being Railsounds 1.0. They only had sounds in the B-unit which was a dummy. I recall the engine sounds only having 4 sound notches, but I fell in love with the sounds of the EMD 567 engine that day. It changed my life forever.
I briefly watched it. Now 100% am NOT going to buy the pack. And you’re right that DTM products are evolving, just backwards. Another example is Penn Central RP FA-1 and PRR FA-1. PRR loco was released 3 years earlier, but is infinitely better. And I’m not even comparing their retro pack GP35s (where the whole control stand is coloured pure black so you can’t see a thing among the controls) and their WP GP35 from 2017. Later one is not ideal either, but is a lot better and at least driveable.
The auto parts boxcar is from the og Norfolk southern high hood sd40 dlc all the way back from 2012, it seems they put modern trucks on it but the model is from 2012
I actually brought up these concerns to IHS on their Facebook page when advertising this pack and they did not give a shit. They really don't care that they're polluting TSC with this sort of reskin crap. The worst part is that you can go onto Railworks America and Train Sim Communty and find equivalent versions of literally everything included in this pack FOR FREE, all made by fans, often made between 5-10 years ago, and all better quality than this garbage fire. Iron Horse Simulators and Digital Train Model should be hanging their heads in shame.
From what i understand the guy who ran VRC got so tired of people pirating his stuff he quit. Sadly the only pack i was able to get before he closed was his GP40 mega pack. Glad i did but sad I missed his U28CG. As for this pack.... Well fuck, i'm a huge Santa Fe/BNSF fan and was about to get this pack before i saw your video. I got to say thanks! it saved me some money.
Dude you should see some of the other stuff. When you open the windows, the window object moves to the center of the cab from outside view. Its sad how much DTM has fallen. Unfortunately I lost all of my VRC stuff when my first PC committed the big die, but its not even funny how much better his stuff was compared to what we are getting now. I don't understand how such a long running sim has such shoddy people behind it now.
Found your channel and love the content! I play British stuff on TSC but would love to try out American stuff too (not enough money to make the jump though!). An American friend groaned when I told him this pack was available, so took a look at what the fuss was about!
Well this was painful. Took me 3 hours to get through it. 25 smacka roonies ya say? I think not. Off topic as usual, but I am looking forward to the release of Smokebox's Challenger. From the screenshots on FB it looks to be promising.
Thanks and condolences 😆 I too look forward as hell to the chally. Supposed to be an Alco Century from dieselworkshop coming soon as well. Thankfully goods outweigh the bads in these couple months
E unit? ATSF only had a handful of E8s, if that. If you’re thinking EMC E1s, there’s a major problem-sounds. Sounds *do not exist* of the Winton engines that were in those units. Same with the PAs, sounds do not exist whatsoever of the 16-244. Sure, you could maybe get away with subbing a 12-251 sound as that’s what the PAs had later anyway, but it wouldn’t be a “true” PA-1.
How embarrassing. This is totally unacceptable. I see why DTM has basically refused to do an SW1, even when I handed him everything to do it on a silver platter except modeling. He just does not care anymore, nor does he have any intention of caring.
The colors on the U28CG look nice, but the fact the pack sounds, looks, and feels like it came from DTM is what disappoints me. When I put my ATSF retro pack suggestion on the DTG Forums, I didn't think my suggestion would slap me back in the face. I was hoping for more than low quality locos and stock here. I thought "Pro Range" was more than enough of a hint. Edit0: The U28CG has the wrong color. It should be dark red, not common red (I call the regular red common red). Edit1: I mean the U28CG's color is slightly darker than the one in the dlc
This is a shame because HIS is famous for making very decent scenarios (including the 300 or so on the workshop) but when it comes to locomotives they kinda fall off.
It's not worth doing any mods for this momma bird regurgitating kind of content. Fuck Dolzall and his ilk for spamming TS content with this worthless hunk o' junk garbage.
You concentrated too much on the locomotives ... Check the Santa Fe Hi-Liners and find: no passengers, no interior illumination, no tail lights, no El Capitan drumhead, bo2 truck the wrong way round on the Hi-Levels, the same truck is mounted OK on the baggage cars (done by somebody more competent than DTM?), trucks coarsely detailed and poorly textured, with a white bolster making it stand out under the car's shade, couplers that don't even exist in the prototype and couldn't even couple because of the box like extension, no brake hoses on those supposedly AAR Type F couplers, 4 inches of slack in what supposedly are TightLock couplers, Glad my n-th refund of DTM's stuff was accepted by Steam.
After watching this vid in its entirety, I immediately purchased the Santa Fe Classic Pack 001, as I don't drive TS trains zoomed in on one rivet...lol
This is not even remotely "rivet counting".. those are glaring issues that have consistently been pushed out as glorified shovelware for the past decade but in the end of the day, as long as people purchase their content, nothing's going to change (which clearly is the case).
Ok. And thats totally cool. Thx for the view. But i digress its not abt rivet counting - its about shoveling out the same ol shit with a diff lick of paint on it (bad paint at that)
Honestly the reason why I stop playing train sim. No good routes or half assed at best and same old models as always. There's only so many times you can operate the AC4400 or the SS SD40s before it just gets old.
how depressingly embarrassing, I was hoping for something good, considering a lot of my older family members worked for Santa Fe during this time period, with the F9, FP-45 and GPs. depressing quality
The work you do for the community is invaluable. Thank you.
As for me, I'm done buying DTM stuff until they demonstrate they have moved from quantity to quality. I'd rather shell out $30 for a top-quality single engine from SS than $20 for 37 reskins from DTM, all day.
And those sounds just scream "I don't give a toss for realism". I am actually happy to pay for the superb sound enhancements from AP. Immersion is everything, and good quality, accurate sounds are absolutely crucial. I wish DTM, and Dovetail as well, understood this.
+1 to this, agree with pretty much everything you've said
It's disgusting and disappointing to have to deal with DTM shit. It's worse when it's actually very tempting to buy the stuff because no one can resist the old school stuff. And flying colors is more than enough to get a pass from me. But this is just unacceptable, even by DTM standards.
Check the trucks, passengers, interior lighting, tail lights, El Capitan drumhead, couplers on the Hi-Liners and be amazed over the lack of quality control.
yet still people rate this DLC positive and praise it on RWA and elsewhere ...
@@Kanawha Well to be honest, there are freeware providers on RWA who provide much better content than DTM and DTG can provide. I especially adore the Britkits Narrow Gauge Shay. All of his locos basically. RWA is great. Idk what your problem with RWA is, but clearly you don't know how RWA works.
Wow! Hearing Santa Fe Skyway brought nostalgia. I need to get the PMDG DC6 for MSFS and grab a ATSFS livery for it. Also wanna add that I burst out laughing at that first F3s horn.
Oh man that dc6 is amazing
I second that. The DC6 is probably my favorite aircraft in MSFS right now
@@linkfan95 That, and the Milviz Porter PC6. It's done really well, and it's great for low and slow over beautiful scenery. Only it's not quite as low and slow as driving trains!
Only Twunnyfiedollah!
But you are right. upon doing some research, Santa Fe's F3A's had silver/chrome-colored lower light housings and the grab rails on either side of the nose were in fact painted yellow.
Good eye and attention to detail, I can't say I would have known any better otherwise!
I had an old Lionel O Gauge A-B-A set of those when I was young. They were the first model trains I ever had with sound, being Railsounds 1.0. They only had sounds in the B-unit which was a dummy. I recall the engine sounds only having 4 sound notches, but I fell in love with the sounds of the EMD 567 engine that day. It changed my life forever.
OMG!!!
I briefly watched it. Now 100% am NOT going to buy the pack. And you’re right that DTM products are evolving, just backwards. Another example is Penn Central RP FA-1 and PRR FA-1. PRR loco was released 3 years earlier, but is infinitely better. And I’m not even comparing their retro pack GP35s (where the whole control stand is coloured pure black so you can’t see a thing among the controls) and their WP GP35 from 2017. Later one is not ideal either, but is a lot better and at least driveable.
The auto parts boxcar is from the og Norfolk southern high hood sd40 dlc all the way back from 2012, it seems they put modern trucks on it but the model is from 2012
I actually brought up these concerns to IHS on their Facebook page when advertising this pack and they did not give a shit. They really don't care that they're polluting TSC with this sort of reskin crap.
The worst part is that you can go onto Railworks America and Train Sim Communty and find equivalent versions of literally everything included in this pack FOR FREE, all made by fans, often made between 5-10 years ago, and all better quality than this garbage fire. Iron Horse Simulators and Digital Train Model should be hanging their heads in shame.
9:31 sounds like the OG dash 9 horn mixed with something else it’s a sad excuse for a horn
That’s the RS3L from the DTM CSX SD45. Kinda acceptable
@@Phantom19-YT actually it dates back to the GP50
From what i understand the guy who ran VRC got so tired of people pirating his stuff he quit. Sadly the only pack i was able to get before he closed was his GP40 mega pack. Glad i did but sad I missed his U28CG. As for this pack.... Well fuck, i'm a huge Santa Fe/BNSF fan and was about to get this pack before i saw your video. I got to say thanks! it saved me some money.
Yeah that's the same old 567 sound.
Thank you for this nuanced review. I had it on my wishlist, now not anymore.. A pity, that the F3 are not available as freeware.
Dude you should see some of the other stuff. When you open the windows, the window object moves to the center of the cab from outside view. Its sad how much DTM has fallen. Unfortunately I lost all of my VRC stuff when my first PC committed the big die, but its not even funny how much better his stuff was compared to what we are getting now. I don't understand how such a long running sim has such shoddy people behind it now.
When Shawn Laughs, you know you done fucked up BAD.
Laughing is healthy. Good thing HIS retro packs with DTM exist
@@schnauzahpowahz Lol now that's what we call a Joke.
Found your channel and love the content! I play British stuff on TSC but would love to try out American stuff too (not enough money to make the jump though!). An American friend groaned when I told him this pack was available, so took a look at what the fuss was about!
It does feel to me that the quality of TS DLC has dropped over last 3-4 years
It depends on who made it (there are various developers that are making DLCs for TS)
@@dragoner3211 Still. That's not an excuse to these mods
It's 2022 and they should at least putting more effort instead of being greedy.
Well this was painful. Took me 3 hours to get through it. 25 smacka roonies ya say? I think not. Off topic as usual, but I am looking forward to the release of Smokebox's Challenger. From the screenshots on FB it looks to be promising.
Thanks and condolences 😆
I too look forward as hell to the chally. Supposed to be an Alco Century from dieselworkshop coming soon as well. Thankfully goods outweigh the bads in these couple months
I wish they included a PA or E unit in this. Also I agree with you the sounds on the f units dont sound right
The default F unit sounds are terrible. Glad people make sound packs so they are fun to use
E unit? ATSF only had a handful of E8s, if that. If you’re thinking EMC E1s, there’s a major problem-sounds. Sounds *do not exist* of the Winton engines that were in those units.
Same with the PAs, sounds do not exist whatsoever of the 16-244. Sure, you could maybe get away with subbing a 12-251 sound as that’s what the PAs had later anyway, but it wouldn’t be a “true” PA-1.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 a PA period would just be nice. Like anything but the f7. Hell ill take an EMD repowered PA.
Horn sounds like a dying cow!🐮
What's up with the video resulation? Max is 360p.
probably still processing
How embarrassing. This is totally unacceptable. I see why DTM has basically refused to do an SW1, even when I handed him everything to do it on a silver platter except modeling. He just does not care anymore, nor does he have any intention of caring.
Why would he.. he makes more money with a release every month than some developers over the course of a couple years..
The colors on the U28CG look nice, but the fact the pack sounds, looks, and feels like it came from DTM is what disappoints me. When I put my ATSF retro pack suggestion on the DTG Forums, I didn't think my suggestion would slap me back in the face. I was hoping for more than low quality locos and stock here. I thought "Pro Range" was more than enough of a hint.
Edit0: The U28CG has the wrong color. It should be dark red, not common red (I call the regular red common red).
Edit1: I mean the U28CG's color is slightly darker than the one in the dlc
I wonder when anything Wabash would come to train simulator. There's literally nothing besides the NS Wabash heritage unit.
Dog farts in the horn's air reservoir? Maybe that's the issue?
Honestly first got excited for some cool new stuff, and later it’s just… sadness…
Indeed. And o7 fellow pixel-bote'er
This is a shame because HIS is famous for making very decent scenarios (including the 300 or so on the workshop) but when it comes to locomotives they kinda fall off.
I assume your C424 will be out soon!
Time to make some horns
Bro u need a discord I would enjoy that
he has one
@@LP_LP_LP_LP Oh?
@Average nope
@@LP_LP_LP_LP Where can i find it?
I can't post links on Sean's comment section but Sean might come along and post an invite to it if he sees this
Who would voluntarily spend $25 on this pack??? Maybe at $5 it's a good value but my god $25 is a joke
I did....
Then got a refund ☺️
@@schnauzahpowahz Thanks to the Steam overlords for their refund policy lol
Nothing new. 10000 times reused sound and cab from year 2013
Without the 567 mod forget it. Even with the mod I'm not a fan.
It's not worth doing any mods for this momma bird regurgitating kind of content.
Fuck Dolzall and his ilk for spamming TS content with this worthless hunk o' junk garbage.
You concentrated too much on the locomotives ...
Check the Santa Fe Hi-Liners and find:
no passengers,
no interior illumination,
no tail lights,
no El Capitan drumhead,
bo2 truck the wrong way round on the Hi-Levels, the same truck is mounted OK on the baggage cars (done by somebody more competent than DTM?),
trucks coarsely detailed and poorly textured, with a white bolster making it stand out under the car's shade,
couplers that don't even exist in the prototype and couldn't even couple because of the box like extension,
no brake hoses on those supposedly AAR Type F couplers,
4 inches of slack in what supposedly are TightLock couplers,
Glad my n-th refund of DTM's stuff was accepted by Steam.
After watching this vid in its entirety, I immediately purchased the Santa Fe Classic Pack 001, as I don't drive TS trains zoomed in on one rivet...lol
This is not even remotely "rivet counting".. those are glaring issues that have consistently been pushed out as glorified shovelware for the past decade but in the end of the day, as long as people purchase their content, nothing's going to change (which clearly is the case).
Dang I guess highlighting blatant issues is rivet counting now. You do you but you're only buying into a scheme that punishes the customer
Ok. And thats totally cool. Thx for the view. But i digress its not abt rivet counting - its about shoveling out the same ol shit with a diff lick of paint on it (bad paint at that)
@@RogerThunderhandsGilbert no
@@therealdeal2021 How would you know, unless you've been purchasing TS content for the past decade? ;o)
Honestly the reason why I stop playing train sim. No good routes or half assed at best and same old models as always. There's only so many times you can operate the AC4400 or the SS SD40s before it just gets old.
how depressingly embarrassing, I was hoping for something good, considering a lot of my older family members worked for Santa Fe during this time period, with the F9, FP-45 and GPs. depressing quality
Yikes
I just got this pack, and I fucking regret it. The shit in this pack is HORRIBLE! Most of the locos use the same horn and the lights are ugly.