With things like the Su-11 at 7.0 and the La-200 at 7.7 this plane could go down to 7.7 as well. Is not blatantly OP as the ones I mentioned as it is still just a ME-262 on Horse Steroids, the Guns are slow velocity and slow firing and its turn rate is just barely enough. As someone who is experienced in the Me-262 A and C this plane could counter very well planes at early jets with disproportionate performance to their BRs, without breaking the BR itself
If we talking about BR, look at italy. We don't cry almost, we just fck soviet crybabies up on 9.0 in full uptier to 10.0 every single game. Also we didn't get gripen, but we had it irl. Italy got old and new gripen IRL, Hungary got old gripen IRL but brits getting south african 2017 shit in WT. There was 8.7 on italy - guess what? Soviet crybabies ruined it to 9.0 while having thier old 8.7
3:45 The black puff wasn't you getting sparks on hit, but the self-destroying HEF-I rounds added to the Mk108 universal belt in the recent belt changes. The HEF-I in Mk108 doesn't reach too far before they destroy themselves, 1/4 of the ammo will be wasted if you shoot from long range, plus the HEF-I rounds have way less explosive mass than HEI-T rounds. That's why the universal belt is not really recommended, the night belt is probably better.
nice review of knowledge from you... but yes I always used Night belts when a Mk 108 cannon exists on a plane anyways... the biggest advantage of the night belts is when I play the 110 G-2 in GRB and I kill open-tops within a kilometer away because the rounds dont self destruct :D
I still remember when this thing was absolutely uncontested back in 2018-19 when the MM was factional and you fought teams of mostly P-80s and F-84Bs and such Now it’s just kinda there
night belt is better. consists of one shell type with 90g tnt equivalent. its flying 25m/s faster than the normal shells, and the tracers are less visible. the stealth belts have ~10g more tnt but deal less spall damge (protection analysis). just use night, thats the best belt Edit: night belt now flies just as fast as the other shells and self destructs after 3 seconds or so. Not that youre oing to hit at that distance anyways. Still the best belt in my eyes.
I like the c2 B, almost spaded it over the years, but i rarely play it, just because matchmaking is a pain. At least its sometimes pretty viable in sqb´s great video btw :)
Voelt raar om zoveel uploads te zien maar heel welkom dankje je maakt een 23 jarige gamer best blij weet nog toen ik naar je keek op het mbo en nu werk ik voltijd daadwerkelijk tijdloos vermaak ;)
5:16 this is why this plane was very annoying for me when I flew it, especially vs A5 sabres. Here if you wait a little longer before going for him, he can and probably will actually dive out after stalling and get his speed back before you get to him. But if you don't wait he can just pull into you and deny the shot because you turn so bad. A5 has both options and they are both valid to a certain margin, and that's just annoying when you can't kill a guy even if he commits to going up with you for a while, and then the guy just outruns you. Now I never could make this plane work and I know some people can, so really it's probably a skill issue but those are my thoughts on this plane.
Ironically the only German WW2 jet that didn't get obsolete with the years is the Me 163 lol. All the others could enjoy a 0.3 downtier right now and things wouldn't change that much. Only exceptions to this would be the Ar-234C and He-162 (6.0 is low enough, in my opinion it could even work at 6.3)
@@DEFYN Yeah but the compression still Ben Dovers you most of the time, just like you said in the video (missiles and La200s). The game was just more balanced back then.
The only things the original Meteor had on the 262 were better range and more reliable engines. The 262 was faster in level flight and in a climb, enjoyed better visibility, and was more stable at speed (lower critical Mach number). The up-engined F.4 was much improved and able to outrun and outclimb any 262, but it also benefited from two extra years of development, so that's hardly a fair comparison. The Meteor didn't really hit its stride until the F.8, which was the definitive version. Its performance was vastly superior to the original F.1, but it didn't become operational until 1950 ... when it was already no match for the F-86 or Mig-15. Point is, please don't judge planes based on this game. Gaijin tweaks performance and stats based on matchmaking and sales, not on realism. Half the shit in the game didn't get beyond the prototype stage, and most of those (like the Kikka or Su-11), were total shitbirds that Gaijin has somehow made into powerhouses.
Increasing to 14.0 puts jets that have the highest capability at the top without forcing less capable jets with them as high, which would allow things to be placed more appropriately, you have no idea just how much it would help every plane
Idk why b57b pilots don’t try to help their team with their guns… they literally have 8 of the food 50 cals, though they are wing mounts, they could at least pressure the enemy… or do *something* lmao😂
Can you do another video on the f 80 a5? Maybe showcase it to a wider audience so my shitty f 84 teammates hopefully get inspired to use a better plane. I really like the f 80 but it feels nearly unplayable when I'm left in a 1v6 within 5 minutes into the match nearly every game. Maybe I'm doing something wrong since i mainly play props but i doubt it since it's the only plane i have such a bad winrate in.
@@Stromz206 its worse than the f 80 imo and harder to play. Because it's also an attacker and it gets air spawn it means it will also reach the enemies before everything else, which means with the dogshit us players the team gets run down way faster. I've played enough to know it's inferior to the f 80 in almost every way. But if you have nothing new to bring to the table, besides "f 84 aint shitty" im sure you're part of the majority who plays it with a horribly negative kd in it XD.
@@stringzzzzz just because it gets air spawn doesn’t mean you have to be the first in… side climb and them bnz, how tf are they supposed to catch you? Learn to play it before calling it “shitty”
@@Stromz206 im not calling it shit because it gets air spawn lmao. I'm saying tell that shit to the people who use it and bum rush like idiots every match. The thing bleeds speed like crazy, it's only slightly faster than other jets at its br and all you have to do to counter one is go up. It's a cuck plane that can only go in straight lines and steal kills from people that are busy fighting. Maybe having 2 or 3 of them on the team would actually benefit everyone if they played it right but that's usually not the case. Most of the people who play it are the same ones that swear that the p51s are good planes and proceed to turn fight in them. But please tell me how you make it work without a team. Or do u just run from everything and think it's so amazing because people can't catch you?
@@Bobspineable i have. I dont understand it. F80 is a better fighter in almost every way. Just not top speed. Its still fast enough to be competitive, it turns pretty good and keeps energy super well. Meanwhile that horrible thing loses all its energy in one loop and all u can do is play it like a cuck and extend from most fights. But us players will turn and try to dogfight with absolutely everything because they don't know better. My point is just that the f80 is a way more forgiving plane for players like that and i feel that us wouldn't struggle as much at that br if people just used the plane better suited for them. Sure the f84 is fast and gets an air spawn, but in the hands of your typical player it just means they die quicker. So many of the same plane in a team doesn't do much good anyways. They're a plague like the ju 288 almost.
damn lol defyn have pain tolerance of steel XD put this guy in every plane (even with poor BR compression) and the only thing he said was gonna be "sigh probably my skill issue as well" edit = typo
since more then a year i didnt spend a single cent on this game and company'! iam so proud of myself i just use the premiums a got over the 9 whole years.
I'm just glad people aren't spamming su-11s.. as badly.. now. I've missed the 7-8.0 range, it's actually been pretty fun and balanced lately That is anecdotal evidence, but I'm thinking about doing a run of 262s just to do it.
7.3 at best current 7.3 to 7.0 7.0 to 6.7 and the 6.7 to 6.3 then its way more balanced as most fighters at the same brs even the 7.0 262 are 300 kph faster and the fighters that should be 150mph slower they are faster cuz gaijin cant seem to fix it
Now play the Squadron 262 in a "Try not to uninstall, because every US plane is undertiered Speedrun any %". Fuck this whole BR range honestly, it's fucked beyond belief.
I believe a ww2 aircraft should fight ww2 aircrafts or 1946-47 aircraft. It’s not fair for the Me 262 to fight the vehicles it’s fighting because they perfected the Me 262 with what they learned from the Me 262
it's got great grinding and money multipliers, but you mostly get full uptiers and everyone just runs away from you plus server registry are shit lately so you're gonna get a hit instead of a kill more often than what you would like. It however clubs subsonic aircraft
Why do you never record SB? Is it because its boring for you, or people are not interested in this kind of content? Or is there any other reason why you dont like it?
This is just one of 1000 reasons why the game really starts to fall apart after 5.7 for tanks and planes. I'm f@cking tired of prioritizing que times over balancing. Also starts to feel like arcade, jet's pulling 12+ Gs, the wonkiness of fighting the rudder while rolling, missiles etc. I don't know how players find the "assistance" elements of the game fun. Feels anything but "realistic"
If I want to do arcade style gameplay I can just play Ace Combat. But as far as I know War Thunder is the only game that has a sort of "in between" mode with RB. That's the reason I still play it. I'm not actually all that interested in full sim combat.
In my opinion, Me 262 series are the most inferior, useless, trivial, noncompetitive, exorbitantly expensive, And the most trashy jet series in Warthunder
... I wonder why you always talk in the plural about yourself ... sometimes you say "I" killed him ... most of the time you say "we" ... you are not the only one who does that, Jengar does the same ... really funny ... but never mind ... I nevertheless like your videos ...
jesus that hardy burn was unexpected lmfao
yea
It was just unnecessary. Justice for hardy
I regret not flying this one when it was still kinda competitive. But all 262s will always hold a special place in my heart...
Seeeee Twoooo Beeeeeeee
Who’s eating jets for breakfast now
Jets
f7f
@@Phoenix1.s f7f eats jets about as well as a 95 year old with no teeth eats pizza
@@daemonfifield1242 ... are ya sure?
@@akiara8491 any decent pilot in the game in a jet should be completely untouchable to an f7f if not caught completely offguard
With things like the Su-11 at 7.0 and the La-200 at 7.7 this plane could go down to 7.7 as well.
Is not blatantly OP as the ones I mentioned as it is still just a ME-262 on Horse Steroids, the Guns are slow velocity and slow firing and its turn rate is just barely enough.
As someone who is experienced in the Me-262 A and C this plane could counter very well planes at early jets with disproportionate performance to their BRs, without breaking the BR itself
If we talking about BR, look at italy. We don't cry almost, we just fck soviet crybabies up on 9.0 in full uptier to 10.0 every single game. Also we didn't get gripen, but we had it irl. Italy got old and new gripen IRL, Hungary got old gripen IRL but brits getting south african 2017 shit in WT. There was 8.7 on italy - guess what? Soviet crybabies ruined it to 9.0 while having thier old 8.7
3:45 The black puff wasn't you getting sparks on hit, but the self-destroying HEF-I rounds added to the Mk108 universal belt in the recent belt changes. The HEF-I in Mk108 doesn't reach too far before they destroy themselves, 1/4 of the ammo will be wasted if you shoot from long range, plus the HEF-I rounds have way less explosive mass than HEI-T rounds. That's why the universal belt is not really recommended, the night belt is probably better.
Completely forgot about that my bad
I haven't touched this in so long i just ran with what i used to run
nice review of knowledge from you... but yes I always used Night belts when a Mk 108 cannon exists on a plane anyways...
the biggest advantage of the night belts is when I play the 110 G-2 in GRB and I kill open-tops within a kilometer away because the rounds dont self destruct :D
"It's not interesting"
It shows us how to fly these planes correctly. Even if the content is unexciting, it is still useful.
I still remember when this thing was absolutely uncontested back in 2018-19 when the MM was factional and you fought teams of mostly P-80s and F-84Bs and such
Now it’s just kinda there
Gaijin also had the bright idea of moving the Vampire up to 8.0, just because it turns......
keep it up man, your videos are definitely helpful for new and skilled players
Feel really glad that you looked like you got really motivated.
Keep it up sir!
night belt is better. consists of one shell type with 90g tnt equivalent. its flying 25m/s faster than the normal shells, and the tracers are less visible. the stealth belts have ~10g more tnt but deal less spall damge (protection analysis). just use night, thats the best belt
Edit: night belt now flies just as fast as the other shells and self destructs after 3 seconds or so. Not that youre oing to hit at that distance anyways. Still the best belt in my eyes.
Thanks
You should try flying the swift f1, that is a plane that suffers too much from compression facing 9.0-9.3 every game
I think he's gonna need another 20$ donation for that homie XD
Flying the 10.3 hunter with SRAAMS would definitely display some compression
wow really can notice that the f86 sabre has linage here with the fuselage & wings of the me262.
I like the c2 B, almost spaded it over the years, but i rarely play it, just because matchmaking is a pain. At least its sometimes pretty viable in sqb´s
great video btw :)
What squadron you in?
@@fuhckme8845 I don't want to advertise here, if u really are interested, feel free to dm me :)
Voelt raar om zoveel uploads te zien maar heel welkom dankje je maakt een 23 jarige gamer best blij weet nog toen ik naar je keek op het mbo en nu werk ik voltijd daadwerkelijk tijdloos vermaak ;)
2 words, “Rocket Sledgehammer”
Was just binging your videos then you uploaded. Utter bliss
I researched this thing 2 months ago and didnt even put a crew in it because I thought it would be a 262 with a little accel boost at 8.0
Oooh nice to see Defyndaily around these days I love it 😃😃
A the infamous c-2b… good old days
New sub here. Trying to improve my Air RB performance and these videos are excellent, thanks man I have really been enjoying your content.
262 queen of sky.
5:16 this is why this plane was very annoying for me when I flew it, especially vs A5 sabres. Here if you wait a little longer before going for him, he can and probably will actually dive out after stalling and get his speed back before you get to him. But if you don't wait he can just pull into you and deny the shot because you turn so bad.
A5 has both options and they are both valid to a certain margin, and that's just annoying when you can't kill a guy even if he commits to going up with you for a while, and then the guy just outruns you.
Now I never could make this plane work and I know some people can, so really it's probably a skill issue but those are my thoughts on this plane.
Ive given up on german 262 on c1a, i thought getting the booster upgrade from a1a ends their suffering, it doesnt..
Oh it really doesn't lmao
i put a talsiman on it and i regret it.
Existens in the tier 5 German three is suffering.
Ironically the only German WW2 jet that didn't get obsolete with the years is the Me 163 lol. All the others could enjoy a 0.3 downtier right now and things wouldn't change that much. Only exceptions to this would be the Ar-234C and He-162 (6.0 is low enough, in my opinion it could even work at 6.3)
Smashing Defyn content, I almost feel spoilt to have all these vids coming out im quick succession😂
It's rather sad to see this because I remember a video made by Adam the engineered a few years ago where he was abel to loop and energy trap everyone.
Not really fair to compare since that was a game vs F80s, attacker FB1s and the like
It can still do that
@@DEFYN Yeah but the compression still Ben Dovers you most of the time, just like you said in the video (missiles and La200s). The game was just more balanced back then.
The c2b that got downtiered into those matches 85% of the time wasn't balanced either
It's the same shit with a different plane
@@DEFYN yeah that's true. It's in general just sad how this game gets worse and worse.
The only things the original Meteor had on the 262 were better range and more reliable engines. The 262 was faster in level flight and in a climb, enjoyed better visibility, and was more stable at speed (lower critical Mach number). The up-engined F.4 was much improved and able to outrun and outclimb any 262, but it also benefited from two extra years of development, so that's hardly a fair comparison.
The Meteor didn't really hit its stride until the F.8, which was the definitive version. Its performance was vastly superior to the original F.1, but it didn't become operational until 1950 ... when it was already no match for the F-86 or Mig-15.
Point is, please don't judge planes based on this game. Gaijin tweaks performance and stats based on matchmaking and sales, not on realism. Half the shit in the game didn't get beyond the prototype stage, and most of those (like the Kikka or Su-11), were total shitbirds that Gaijin has somehow made into powerhouses.
Did hardy a bit dirty ngl. Uncalled for hahaha
F in the chat for the Me-262
When I see this plane in match I just think "cultured"
It's weird facing this in a down tier and an F-4 in an uptier.
Defyn, do you think if Gajin set ARB match making range to 0.7 it would fix alot of the compression issues?
Would still be bad but it's definitely a step in the right direction
It’s more like increasing the maximum br to 14.0 would be the most realistic actual fix at the very least
0.7 would impact all brs, but if br range is extended to 13.0 at minimum, it would be possible to fix early jet and 9.0-10.0 range
Increasing to 14.0 puts jets that have the highest capability at the top without forcing less capable jets with them as high, which would allow things to be placed more appropriately, you have no idea just how much it would help every plane
Gajin will just go "My QuEuE tImEs" And nothing will change.
Kinda sad if you ask me.
Lead into the future
to be real it should be 7.0
Omg imagine having a Defyn video every 2 da... Oh damn😮
Thanks champ
i hate it. these jet should fight agains spitfires and another 2. world war planes
i didn't choose the BOOST life, the BOOST life chose me... this brings back memories of my - six - days...
'Going to be missing a lot today' he says having destroyed more aircraft than i do in 10 matches! 😂👍👌✌🖖🤘🤙
Glad to see C2b enjoyment :)
8:13 Are there no donors for transfusions at the hospital, is that why you're out for blood?
i love seeying you fly out bad planes
DEFYN all week soon to be all month, hopefully
Hardy where are you
He doesn't deserve to have fun in the game.
quitting the game for the 1000th time :)
Man, if that was Trollolx. Been ages... :(
He didn't reply
Had 2000 f2 kills tho
@@DEFYN Could be him then
Could you play the G.91 R/3? I absolutely loved the thing (and killing supersonics with it)
Idk why b57b pilots don’t try to help their team with their guns… they literally have 8 of the food 50 cals, though they are wing mounts, they could at least pressure the enemy… or do *something* lmao😂
i like a good underdog plane with a good pilot in it
Can you do another video on the f 80 a5? Maybe showcase it to a wider audience so my shitty f 84 teammates hopefully get inspired to use a better plane. I really like the f 80 but it feels nearly unplayable when I'm left in a 1v6 within 5 minutes into the match nearly every game. Maybe I'm doing something wrong since i mainly play props but i doubt it since it's the only plane i have such a bad winrate in.
F84 ain’t “shitty”…
@@Stromz206 its worse than the f 80 imo and harder to play. Because it's also an attacker and it gets air spawn it means it will also reach the enemies before everything else, which means with the dogshit us players the team gets run down way faster. I've played enough to know it's inferior to the f 80 in almost every way. But if you have nothing new to bring to the table, besides "f 84 aint shitty" im sure you're part of the majority who plays it with a horribly negative kd in it XD.
@@stringzzzzz just because it gets air spawn doesn’t mean you have to be the first in… side climb and them bnz, how tf are they supposed to catch you? Learn to play it before calling it “shitty”
@@Stromz206 im not calling it shit because it gets air spawn lmao. I'm saying tell that shit to the people who use it and bum rush like idiots every match. The thing bleeds speed like crazy, it's only slightly faster than other jets at its br and all you have to do to counter one is go up. It's a cuck plane that can only go in straight lines and steal kills from people that are busy fighting. Maybe having 2 or 3 of them on the team would actually benefit everyone if they played it right but that's usually not the case. Most of the people who play it are the same ones that swear that the p51s are good planes and proceed to turn fight in them. But please tell me how you make it work without a team. Or do u just run from everything and think it's so amazing because people can't catch you?
@@Bobspineable i have. I dont understand it. F80 is a better fighter in almost every way. Just not top speed. Its still fast enough to be competitive, it turns pretty good and keeps energy super well. Meanwhile that horrible thing loses all its energy in one loop and all u can do is play it like a cuck and extend from most fights. But us players will turn and try to dogfight with absolutely everything because they don't know better. My point is just that the f80 is a way more forgiving plane for players like that and i feel that us wouldn't struggle as much at that br if people just used the plane better suited for them. Sure the f84 is fast and gets an air spawn, but in the hands of your typical player it just means they die quicker. So many of the same plane in a team doesn't do much good anyways. They're a plague like the ju 288 almost.
no me 262 is not the first jet fighter also THE ONLY ONE WITH 4 ENGINES (fighter not bomber)
damn lol defyn have pain tolerance of steel XD put this guy in every plane (even with poor BR compression) and the only thing he said was gonna be "sigh probably my skill issue as well"
edit = typo
since more then a year i didnt spend a single cent on this game and company'! iam so proud of myself i just use the premiums a got over the 9 whole years.
I’m gonna guess someone payed defyn to do this before I watch
keen for more content!
Now it's Me 262 CBT
me 262 should go back to 6.7
tbh
Thumbnail is funny. Funny good
Another Daddy Defyn video in less than a day? He might feel better now
Well i am doing 8 in a row so
@@DEFYN who gave you instant like?
How am I supposed to know
@@DEFYN the same way I want to know :)
I can't for the life of me aim the mk108
How does this one stack upto the single rocket engine one? Also i remember there was a way to see how much WEP fuel you had (booster time)
I'd love to know as well
I'm just glad people aren't spamming su-11s.. as badly.. now. I've missed the 7-8.0 range, it's actually been pretty fun and balanced lately
That is anecdotal evidence, but I'm thinking about doing a run of 262s just to do it.
Good luck with that, you will hate yourself. F-84's will fuck you up literally every game.
love it
Patreon to fund bike hobby.
7.3 at best current 7.3 to 7.0 7.0 to 6.7 and the 6.7 to 6.3 then its way more balanced as most fighters at the same brs even the 7.0 262 are 300 kph faster and the fighters that should be 150mph slower they are faster cuz gaijin cant seem to fix it
At 17:00 that was the most insane shot. Honestly no clue how you managed to hit it.
Hey DEFYN, what convergence you use in your guns?
Now play the Squadron 262 in a "Try not to uninstall, because every US plane is undertiered Speedrun any %". Fuck this whole BR range honestly, it's fucked beyond belief.
Yea dude xd. When i see a F89D heading towards me, i just press J for him kill me faster and start another match
I Love your Videos
Can you play the j29f? How much do I need to donate to do this?
Too much :)
@@DEFYN :( sigh *unzips*
I believe a ww2 aircraft should fight ww2 aircrafts or 1946-47 aircraft. It’s not fair for the Me 262 to fight the vehicles it’s fighting because they perfected the Me 262 with what they learned from the Me 262
Do you think the Mig-19pt is good for grinding?
it's got great grinding and money multipliers, but you mostly get full uptiers and everyone just runs away from you plus server registry are shit lately so you're gonna get a hit instead of a kill more often than what you would like. It however clubs subsonic aircraft
Wait defyn can you maybe make a video on the F4c it so hard use that thing
I stand by this because I'm in the stage where I'm hyped to get a vehicle and am trying to consume all the media on it.
@@SomewhatSummarized you'll be disappointed, F4C is a struggle bus sadly
If you want to fly a US phantom you might as well just go get the f4J
@@4choooKai I’m a masochist and my favorite plane is the mig 21 f13
@@stormjet814 yeah it's take a while before I get one of those
Mooi ding
DEFYN can u shw us yr graphic settings?
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He just keeps reacting on my rounds... What about stealth belts???
damn 7 seconds ago, never been this early
You fly it with min fuel?
Yes
16:30 wow, have you all seen this kill? the shot was so clean!
wow, can you just shut up and watch the video bozo???
i find A-5 pilots lack brain matter and often has some potato aim
Why do you never record SB?
Is it because its boring for you, or people are not interested in this kind of content? Or is there any other reason why you dont like it?
I played simulators for 10 years i am done with them
And in wt it's kinda dead anyway
pls do yak23:)
262 vs su11 💀
:)
262A should not be 7.0 it should be 6.3
262 c1 plz
x3
Why was it nerfed? Wasn't it bad enough already? This is bs dude
This is just one of 1000 reasons why the game really starts to fall apart after 5.7 for tanks and planes. I'm f@cking tired of prioritizing que times over balancing. Also starts to feel like arcade, jet's pulling 12+ Gs, the wonkiness of fighting the rudder while rolling, missiles etc. I don't know how players find the "assistance" elements of the game fun. Feels anything but "realistic"
then go play DCS, boom problem solved
Then go play simulator battles, boom problem solved
If I want to do arcade style gameplay I can just play Ace Combat. But as far as I know War Thunder is the only game that has a sort of "in between" mode with RB. That's the reason I still play it. I'm not actually all that interested in full sim combat.
@@whiskersthecatboi It's like you guys can't even read because you're so offended by what I said. The problem is solved by not playing above 5.7. Boom
Can you do xp50
He's already done the XP 50 I think
not so horrible aim, gun slow af
Bf 109 g10 someday please
In my opinion, Me 262 series are the most
inferior, useless, trivial, noncompetitive, exorbitantly expensive,
And the most trashy jet series in Warthunder
First 👀
ur showing ur age old man what is this
GUH?
... I wonder why you always talk in the plural about yourself ... sometimes you say "I" killed him ... most of the time you say "we" ... you are not the only one who does that, Jengar does the same ... really funny ... but never mind ... I nevertheless like your videos ...
Integration of the audience
what is the decal youre using on the left wing?
Red shield and winged sword, both are in axis -> planes folder
Apiece is gonna love this one @apiece_
Gang gang
i hate apiece