What baffles me is how on the same day Origins Plus released, Frontiers Update 2 released, which included so much content, quality of life improvements, and went as far as to fix momentum, one of the biggest issues with the game. The Frontiers team managed to do all that along with update 1-as FREE updates-in the 8 months Frontiers has been out, yet the Origins team could hardly do a fraction of that in a whole year.
@@reubensalter8125 Executive bias doesn’t mean to go all in on one project at the critical expense of other projects. don’t get me wrong, i’m incredibly happy with how the frontiers updates turned out, and im grateful for sonic team because of it, but it shouldn’t have come at the expense of origins plus, which was not only one of their bigger releases, but was a second chance for them to redeem origins and make it live up to its name as the definitive classic sonic collection.
The part that surprised me the most is that i didn't actually hate sonic blast, which kinda disappointed me because i wanted a really shit game and instead i got a servicable early handheld game. 0/10
Game Gear games aren't really as primitive or bad as people think. I even kinda liked how Sonic Labyrinth had a unique gimmick of relying on the spindash to move. Tails Adventure is also a great Metroidvania.
As far as I’m aware in my short time, they still haven’t fixed most of the bugs. So I’m still sticking with the decomps and 3AIR for the foreseeable future. Should be easy enough to port Amy to the former, and Sonic is still better in the latter. And the Game Gear emulation leaves a lot to be desired, so standalone emulators will still be a lot better for those. I get the benefits, but none of the cons, and 100% less Denuvo.
Plus if you're emulating the game gear games you've got access to rom hacks that add things like super forms or Shadow with a distinct moveset of his own. I appreciate any time a company makes their old titles available on modern platforms, but if I want to play the Game Gear titles I've got far more interesting ways to do it
@@zeroattentiongaming820 My favorite Game Gear rom hack is called "Tails Kicks Ass" and it's a direct sequel to Tails Adventure that takes place immediately after it. The cool thing about it is Tails wears sunglasses in it too. lol
I hope they keep updating Origins plus, for me it needs more to be amazing. I would love love if they added more games and not settle for just 12 titles mainly 3d blast and knuckles and the chaotix. Also I think if they made Eggman and Metal Sonic playable it will make the game more unique especially story-wise with new cutscenes from the villain's perspective along side of course the list that you mentioned with level select, fixing the blur and etc.
Thank you for the input, Matt! I've been flip flopping on whether I want to buy this DLC or not, so I appreciate you for making this. I enjoyed the original Sonic Origins a ton, so maybe I'll buy this DLC one of these days. One thing I wish for this collection to surpass the ones from the past is that they fix more of the issues people have with the collection, like the blur from the Clean filter. I've been praying that this game gets another update that fixes a lot more of the issues people have so we can truly have the definitive way to play these games, but I don't see that coming to the light of day, even though I'd be so grateful for it!
You should get the dlc only if you want to play amy in the games but if you really want amy rose you could get her in the rom hack games where she appears with cream and installing them isn't even that hard. You can play as a motorbug for Ra's sake. Sadly this game was disapointing. The sonic 3 music broke my heart, the new tracks just don't compare.
@@moonlightblade11 Yeah, when Sega announced the collection, I saw the Sonic & Knuckles collection songs coming miles away and if you ask me if that hurts... while I didn't mind it much... in a nutshell... yes, then again, this is why the PC version has advantages over the consoles, as modding the game isn't too difficult and there are tools that allows you to disable the mods to keep the game intact anytime and also restore stuff like the music from those 3 stages of Sonic 3 and disable unlimited lives+continues in both Anniversary modes (remember there's the standard one, and the unlockable "edoM rorriM"... however despite that, the use of coins in special stages are still active.. .and getting coins is still easy peasy even if Sega removed the 1-up monitor from the Debug Mode as there are workarounds for that like spawning enough monitors of 10 rings to get up to 3-ups, get hit by an enemy, rinse and repeat for about 5 to 10 minutes to get 999 coins).
I felt like this collection deserved way better if it had more time to be polished. Still bothered that they still didn't add Knuckles Chatoix, 3D Blast and Genesis Spinball to the collection But it feels so good to finally play as Amy Rose, she is getting the recognition she deserves
Granted, he 3D Blast, Spinball, and Mean Bean Machine are already rereleased via the Sega Genesis Classics Collection game, (which even has a physical copy) or through the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pass.
Finally someone that mentions about genesis spinball game. Also it seems the writers is rewritten Amy Rose, so she will be playable in more classic games.
Thank you for mentioning the Master System versions of the Game Gear games. It’s such a disappointment they didn’t include those. Also curious if the spring into the spikes thing was fixed in Metropolis Zone. I still haven’t played the game, but I remember hearing it was an issue.
@@Rooflesoftgames1 same. What’s the point of using the GG version when an MS version exists that’s not all zoomed in? Doesn’t make sense. It’s like they forgot they even existed.
Nice it's classic Amy too, whom you hardly see. I liked the return of Mighty and Ray in Mania also. It's nice the Sonic fanbase has started to embrace other characters again.
Well writers are rewritten Amy to a different character (more adventurer since she was a kid than just a normal citizen, as establized in SA1 and SA2). So she will appear in more games.
7:37 level select has existed since the game released. Idk why people keep saying it doesn't. Go to the main menu with the islands and go left of sonic 1, the museum slide specifically and go to my data and ranking (i know its a weird misnomer). Then just click on a stage with triangle (on ps but its different for other platforms). Idk, i just hate that everyone is saying this despite it being completely false.
Your're right but I did wish they would have made a level select menu whenever your choosing the games rather than doing all of that. Would have made it easier tbh.
There's also the level select codes which can be used in anniversary mode. It allows you to enable the insta-shield & elemental shields in sonic 1 and 2, enable the peel out in sonic 3, disable super music in 2 and 3, and enable super sonic and tails in sonic 1.
@@DarkLink1996. Sonic 3D Blast for Sega Saturn/PC is really good. So was the Sonic 3D Blast Director's Cut for Sega Genesis made by the guy who worked on it originally. I consider that game because of that fact alone. It also has a ton of QOL improvements.
I'm definitely not buying this, metacritic and critics still giving the same score as the og origins. The only thing that looks redeeming is Amy and Ig the game gear looks fun but could've been remastered. I'm sorry for you playing heroes and getting sick :(
@@RedvalkDoggo To be honest the Master System Versions would be ok with me but no they picked the sh**ty Game Gear Versions. I hated that in the Mega Collection for GC too.
Rewlly the only thing I wanted from Origins+ is Knuckles' Chaotix. I know that might sound like a big ambition, but there is reason behind it. Just the fact that it hasn't been re-released in any form since it's original on the SEGA 32X just baffles me. At least, we got something with the music.
Seriously! The Game Gear games have been re-released so many times at this point between the previous collections and SADX. Meanwhile Chaotix and the Saturn version of 3D Blast have *never* been re-released. This would’ve been the perfect opportunity, and honestly would’ve better justified the extra cost.
@@SilverSpireZI like the Game Gear games (especially "Tails Adventure") but I agree, Chaotix needs a rerelease. Only official rerelease it had was on the now defunct, old, GameTap PC retro game subscription service.
I've been thinking about getting it, it really is just because Amy is in it now, but with superstars being infinitly more interesting and already owning all those game gear games besides 2 or 3 on other consoles or my original game gear, I just don't see a reason.
There’s no reason to get it honestly. Amy is just a reskin of sonic but she’s really really bad. No special moves it’s just she has something like the insta shield but you can still get hit and something like rolling but you’re running. It’s a waste of money
This and Superstars giving Amy such a spotlight makes me happy. It's like Mario making Peach a part of the main playable cast- just extra options and more depth of gameplay, makes the cast more rich. On top of that we know how many years we've been forced to play as Sonic and only Sonic in every mainline game. W/the rest of the cast coming to Frontiers along w/Origins and Superstars it seems like Sega and Izuka are finally bringing back the concept of many character campaigns, which was a huge part of Sonic from 3&K up till 06. Mania did it well and now everything we're getting has the concept there.
When you complete the new image in the surprise menu, you are rewarded 100 Coins and the cheat codes to unlock the Level Select Menus are added to the Tutorials when you boot up the games and in the Tutorials menus. They did not change how they are unlocked or inputed however so for Sonic CD you still need to beat Time Attack in under 25 minutes to unlock the Sound Test
I think there's just a lot of missed opportinities. For ME personally these are the changes that would make the collection go from mid to great! 1. Beta music versions for the replaced MJ tracks. (Heck, even fannade versions have been far superior than what they used) 2. The extra music you unlock should be playable IN the actual games, not just the museum. 3. Easy access to elemental shields for each game instead of having to access debug/level select mode where you can't even save your progress. They add such a new experience to the games, and make them feel fresh again from that alone. 4. A nitpick but I'd like smooth rotations on sprites when going through loops similar to Sonic Mania 5. Coins need extra uses. Buying extra character skins you could unlock that are simply cosmetic would be amazing and add a ton of replay value and insentive to use coins. These are the fixes that would fix the game and make it worth every penny in my opinion
Thank you! I literally brought this up and people shit on me for it saying “Those things aren’t necessary.” There should’ve been a customization menu for each game akin to Sonic 3 AIR and the Team Forever Sonic hacks. Sonic Mania had customization menus that changes the visuals and its gameplay and that was an original title.
For what it's worth, you can change the direction of Amy's hammer drop dash up to three times, and it doesn't lose momentum. I'm sure someone will find something useful to use it for, but I haven't yet.
You do know there are cheat codes in each game Sans CD. In Sonic 1 you can turn on spin dash, elemental shields, a 7th emerald, or you can just put in a cheat code to get all emeralds in each game (not CD). You can even play as Sonic and Tails on Sonic 1. As far as lives that’s the point of classic mode. In Sonic 2 the level select code if you go to Sound test and press 00 3 times. It’s a configuration menu and you can turn on Elemental Shields. Random monitors and a few other stuff. Sonic 3 level select has a lot of secret options. Get all emeralds and Super Emeralds, turn off super music. Change badniks to penguin store. And a lot of other cool codes. Basically your misinforming people because you haven’t even found all of the features the game offers. And like someone else mentioned you can replay any stage on from any game you completed on the “My Data and Ranking” which is basic the collections time attack.
I think the "wallpaper" gets you cheats in the menu also, regarding Amy, I think it feels like possibly her hurtbox is smaller?Not really sure. As far as her hammer dash, it's the only move in the game where you can do a grounded attack and stay running. Since being in a ball makes you more effected by the physics, it's a small disadvantage in terms of control, thus Amy can attack without sacrificing as much control. This makes Amy slower but sort of less slippery. She also can turn around while hammering, further affording her greater control. There are also times when being able to attack while running forward and remain running is advantageous, since there is no way to uncurl once in ball form without jumping. I think her moveset, while subtle, could actually be pretty interesting given enough time.
So I think after playing the for about a day now I think I pretty much can confidently say that this is the best way to play the 4 main classic titles on consoles at least, since the PC version has denuvo making it the worst version of origins and the fact that you can get the fan hacks on pc definitely doesn't do that version any favours but at the very least it is nice to see nice to see some of the issues with the original launch get fixed like the roll lock in Sonic 1 and 2, Tails broken ai in sonic 2 and the weird collision with some objects in metropolis zone as those were basically the only major glitches I have properly encountered in origins
There were also several Sonic 3 & Knuckles bugs that were fixed, such as the infinitely falling rocks in Marble Garden Act 1, and now the transition from Launch Base to Mushroom Hill no longer remains silent
Thank you for mentioning they should've ported the Master System games. It's unbelievable that SEGA always acts like the Master System never existed. They are also emulating the Game Gear games with a shrunk 5:4 aspect ratio instead of 4:3 which makes the image even smaller than it already is. The Games Gear collection is unplayable that way for me. And yeah, it's also unacceptable that they didn't remove the filter on the 16-bit games or give us 3D Blast and Knuckles Chaotix 😭
Having not bought Origins, I’m still picking this up Yes, Sonic 3 A.I.R is far superior, but my only other access to the other 3 classics is on Mobile, so…
Well you can use Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute (decomps of the mobile versions on pc). CD sadly has no good pc port besides origins, but CD restored is serviceable I guess.
While it fits Knuckles, Sonic CD was made before Sonic 3 and Knuckles come out and Sonic CD was on disc so it can't be lock-on to the Sonic and Knuckles cart so Knuckles been in Sonic CD was an impossible implementation at the time.
I dont have the DLC, but something I noticed is that in the update that coincided with the DLC, control customization was added to console and they re-added the third jump button.
@@windy3935 On consoles, control customization wasn't there before until now. and square (ps / x (xbox) / y (Switch) can now be used to jump, like in Mania.
One thing I haven't seen anyone cover... Are you able to change the item boxes in Sonic 1 and 2 into the Sonic 3 item boxes? Like the setting on the mobile versions.
I didn’t see you mention it and I didn’t even figure this out until I was almost done with the 4th game, but after you activate super/hyper Amy with the chaos emeralds you can press Y (or Δ) and she’ll throw out her hammer in an arc. You can spam this move and you’ll basically turn into a more mobile version of the Hammer Koopas from Mario.
Finally someone agrees with me. I’m not too hyped for Origins Plus. It’s the same thing we’ve seen and played over and over again but with 1 extra new character. Superstars is something new I’m looking forward to
the main thing I want fixed is the audio. Maybe it’s fine on console when it’s coming out of a tv, but on pc with headphones the poor audio quality is very noticeable (everything sounds very compressed in game but not the menus). The audio sounds perfect in the fan mods so idk what happened here. I can’t seem to find mods to fix it either.
Using the Game Gear versions instead the Master System ones is just so baffling to me. If this is built to be played on TVs/modern displays...why would they think they should go with the zoomed-in view of the Game Gear versions?
7:32 I don't mean to be a nerd but all the games (excluding CD) have a secret level select. Sonic 1's level select lets you pick your character, cap your speed and air time, restore the spike bug from the original game, and even start the game with all chaos emeralds. In Sonic 1, you CAN turn off the spindash. It even lets you use both Sonic and Tails in Sonic 1 as well as hyper Sonic. Codes are inserted with the sound tests. This was all here since the beginning.
The fact that it can only be through the level select and not a customization menu on the main hub where you select which game to play is kinda silly. I know i’m beating a dead horse but I wished Headcannon took notes from Sonic 3 AIR and Sonic hacks like 1 Forever and 2 Absolute where all those options were in a convenient and accessible place on the main menu
@@Butwhythough881 To me, a level select is a level select and I’m glad it exists in the first place. Headcannon had no control over the game other than the development of Sonic 3&K. I do kind of wish the replay levels screen in the 2013 ports of Sonic 1 and 2 were present in Sonic Origins. But I’m fine without it. I tend to appreciate things we get rather than complaining about things we didn’t get.
@@JimmysDonuts How is asking for a proper customization screen where you can switch on and off gameplay elements or add other things like crt filters complaining? I didn’t say the level select was unnecessary I said it was silly that you needed to go into the game and activated to customize it. Origins isn’t terrible like so many trolls like to make it out to be but I don’t understand why people who ask for certain things to be better than what they are get called entitled or are called complainers.
Sonic 1 spin-dash disable option is restricted to the stage select cheat code, same to re-enable the nasty vanilla spike behavior, I still have to look into one of TWO fatal collection crash issues, the 1st that I already saw (and a few others) is that if you use the "& Knuckles brand removal" in Sonic 3 sound test cheat and then enter the slot machine bonus stage, the collection dies on you... ON ALL PLATFORMS!!!!, the other one is in Sonic 1 in Sonic + Tails mode (which needs the stage select cheat code) and the result is the same as the Sonic 3 fatal issue I mentioned, but in Sonic 1 collecting the 6th (and in default settings the final) emerald makes the collection die on you... and again... ON ALL PLATFORMS!!! (the issue happened at random prior to the day 1 patch, never happened after the day 1 patch, and the issue returned on steroids with the pre-plus version that added the Sonic 3 cheats that pretty much are copy-pasted from Mania)... and if said issue still happens, I have the feeling that Amy + Tails mode will suffer the same ill fate, also still no Super Tails in Sonic 2 without debug mode. Edit: Sega should have added those options that are restricted to in-game cheat codes like the Sonic 1 spindash option, Sonic 1 spike behavior or even allowing without cheat to play as Knuckles alone in Sonic 2 "classic" mode and of course, the image issue (it doesn't really bothers me much, however if it had the option in-game I'll use it for sure, again, PC version has the modding advantage... and no, I'm NOT counting the Switch version due to complex shenanigas one has to pull off to mod the game).
After the Atari 50th collection, there is no excuse to not bring it with these game compalations anymore. I did pick it up since I waited. But Sega really should have included the Neo Pocket and Master system games. That would have made this the go to Sonic collection. But knowing sega on the switch 2 they will make another sega collection. Maybe finally get master system games witch sega wants us to forget it was ever around. Atari really set a new standard for game compalations.
There might be legal issues with the NeoGeo Pocket version, because that was made and partly owned by NeoGeo. They might include it in s few Neogeo pocket collection, seeing how Capcom games were included in the previous 2 volumes.
As disappointing as it is for Sega to stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the Master System in their game collections, I can begrudgingly accept it somewhat. Instead, I found myself disappointed that they didn't bother to include the manuals for the Game Gear releases. Having some of them being Japan exclusive is no excuse since Mega Collection Plus and Gems Collection were able to acknowledge that no problem.
The option is still there and no it’s not a chore it takes less than 5 seconds. Especially when those who love tinker with settings in modern games either on pc or console
If I have to look up something to do it, it's cumbersome imo. I turned on the game to play it, and there's things I want that I never even knew was in there that makes the experience better for me. And the only way I learned about its existence is, well, luck.
Sonic 2 Absolute fixes this issue by just having all the options in a menu on the main menu. And sonic 3 AIR has that, AND an options menu on the pause screen. I hope Sega implements something like this, or at least makes the screens already in Origins a menu option, perhaps before you select the game.
Not sure if origins have it like mania's chemical plant, but the weird killing when "crushed" by two blocks at the rising water sections lowkey put a bad taste in my mouth 😂
Thanks for this. I didn't buy the original and I was considering buying the Plus version until Sonic Superstars was announced. Although I may not even buy either. They aren't really doing anything new with their movesets outside of the universal Emerald abilities. Which is sorta annoying, as I'd love to have more expansive movesets on the characters rather than more gimmicks. Sure you can have a normal playthrough and whatnot, but being able to at least unlock movesets for the cast would be dope. Or at LEAST allow them to interact with one another. Flying with tails, Gliding with knuckles, boosts of speed from sonic, and Amy being able to launch allies with her hammer.
I don't know if I should still buy Sonic Origins Plus or not. As someone who has better options to play these games on PC via fan remasters, it can't compete. But Sonic Origins Plus didn't need to win that fight, it just had to put up the fight with more compelling content and customizable options. I was thinking about buying the collection on switch at least, but what you see is what you get honestly. I'm more sad than anything because I still like a pick up and play way of playing these remasters.
I’m in the same boat. I have the fan remasters on pc myself but I did by Origins for Switch when it came out. It would’ve been great to have a good customization menu to customize the gameplay and visuals for each game, instead of needing to go through the level select, because it really does make a difference in replayability Unfortunately, asking for that is considered complaining to some.
New ideas for Sonic Origins Update 3: Changing Sonic and his friend’s sprites including Mania, 1, 2, 3&K, and as a 100% completion reward, advance sprites. Add the advance games. Make mini cutscenes at the end of every zone. Option to take out drop dash or even spin dash. Add Mighty, Ray, and Super Amy. New completely polished update. A full Mania style additional video game like SuperStars to complete the collection. 100% Completion reward from Sonic 1- Option to switch to 2x speed. 100% Completion reward from Sonic CD- Metal Sonic playable. 100% Completion reward of Sonic 2- Option to play multiplayer replicated from SuperStars. 100% Completion reward from Sonic 3 and Knuckles- Sonic Mania skin. Option to switch spin dash from normal to Generations. Make Sonic 1 have 7 emeralds. Make Sonic 2 change the pink emerald. Make Knuckles impervious to badniks by crouching, like in his boss fight in Sonic and Knuckles. Add new features to Hyper Sonic and Super Sonic by making them able to fly in the same controls as Sonic Mania’s final boss. Make Hyper Sonic invincible to getting crushed. 100% completion of the new game I mentioned unlocks a Shadow sprite. Edit: Thank to @douglasanddrinks for the Metal Sonic idea! That would be the best Sonic collection ever! Imma call it Sonic Origins: Unlimited
I know this sounds like nitpicking but HELL THE OLD COMPANIES DID CARE, I wish they had different styles of sprite for each of Amy appearances in the games, same with Tails and Knuckles so we have a ''what if'' scenario of them being on the initial release of the games, also yeah wish they used the super jump of Sonic Advance for Amy and maybe weird niche ability to break spikes or something with a charged hammer, something to maker her...well UNIQUE
8:10 We already had this version of CD on PC before Origins. And I’m not talking about the Sega CD port of the original. The PC port of the mobile version.
I'm happy that there is atleast SOME newly added value and preservation value theough adding the entire library of Game Gear Sonic games, yet I'm still so confused about the lack of emulated ROMs of either version of 3D Blast, the Genesis versions of MBM and Spinball, along with Chaotix. Especially when all of them are represented in the extras, to the point of their entire OSTs being included. Its so weird how everytime Origins does something it feels like they didn't think it all the way through.
Fun fact: So apparently "Sonic Chaos" is called "Sonic & Tails", but Sonic the Hedgehog: Triple Trouble aka Sonic Triple Trouble, is called "Sonic & Tails 2" 😅
Level select and Super music toggle would be my top requests. As for the blur, if it is such a simple "fix" then I think it's fair to say it's a creative decision. That said, I would at least expect an option to turn it off.
There *is* level select, for example I know in sonic 1 you input the old mega drive level select code and it works. It’s just CD I don’t think has one, or you need to unlock it I guess.
I saw a gameplay video where someone turned into super/hyper form, and the music that played was the invincibility theme (like it's SUPPOSED to) instead of the horrific remix they put in there. No idea if this is toggleable in Origins Plus, but I hope so.
5:41 Once you fully uncover the wallpaper it tells you all of the available cheat codes you can use across all of the main games (that includes level select)
I never got to play the original Sonic games and have been wanting to play the originals. I played Sonic 1 through emulation and was hoping SEGA would release a collection for modern consoles. I didn’t buy Origins and bought Origins plus and I can’t wait to get into it.
I actually like the Drift games. Blast is the only weird one for me. Sky Patrol is weird and makes sense when you find out that it was meant to be a Disney game originally and Tails Adventure is a really good Metroidvania that more people should play.
@@RotcodFox I've seen two really good 16-bit remixes of it - one by *Sonic Fan 27,* one by *Bouncy Glow.* You should totally check them out. You won't be disappointed.
No Spinball or Mean Bean Machine in 16 bit is disgraceful when Mega Collection had those games many years ago and even 3D Blast which is still enjoyable in its own way. I still picked up the DLC for the sake of having Amy in all games, that’s about it. Hopefully we’ll get a better collection next time.
uh you do release if you complete the suprise mode you unlocked cheats aka the level select codes also in level select in sonic 1 you can turn the spindash off yourself so yeah. and also why did you not like the sonic game gear games???
I just want the 3D area from Sonic Jam to come out. I will say, playing the collection makes me realize that widescreen is the way to play this series.
The collection may not be perfect, but I'm still glad to see a collection containing the core classic games. A dedicated level select is admittedly an oversight. Like, even if you have to beat each game once first, we should be able to unlock the ability to go to any stage with any character. Speaking of characters, I think Amy Rose is an excellent addition to the classic series. Her move set is limited, but honestly it really should be since that's how these characters were designed to function. Sure, in a perfect world Amy would have a hammer jump and Sonic would have his homing attack...but ya can't have everything! I haven't tried the game gear games yet but I'm glad they were included. I will soon. Yeah, I'd have preferred the Master System versions as well. Even so, to have this many classic Sonic games in one collection for modern players is an effort at preservation of these games. Preserving these stone cold classics is something I will always support!
6:55-7:25 Have you tried turning off the anti-aliasing feature in the options menu? When I have it on, the image is just as smeared as many of the complaints mentioned. However, when I turn it off, the image looks just as sharp as it would on the genesis. I don’t know if I’m not properly seeing the difference between the originals and Origins in their visual presentation or if it’s my TV or if it’s the fact that my copy is on PS4, but I just don’t have the same blur filter issue that everyone else seems to have.
When Anti Aliasing is off, there's like a 0.2% blur filter you can't disable. Nevermind that the Anti Aliasing makes it look closer to how the games looked on hardware, nevermind there's a mod you can get on the PC that removes it - the reason these retro games always come with pixel smoothing enabled by default is because the developers' aim is to make the games look closer to the ways they did on hardware. In 1994 we didn't have ultra pixelated Sonic 3 because the TV's we had connected via composite video gave the graphics extra depth and shading. Pixelation at that time was seen as distinctly "8 bit" or worse. Game Boy Vision.
One thing that i believe would be amazing is to replace those sitty remakes of carnival night, ice cap and launch base, and replace them with the original ones that were used in the prototype version. I went ahead and listened to them, and they are amazing.
I'm having a blast with it. It was worth the ten bucks upgrade to finally be able to play as Amy in the classics, and playing as Knuckles in Sonic CD is even funner than playing as Sonic. Sonic CD has so much verticality to it, it's perfectly suited for Knuckles climbing and gliding abilities.
I got this at the store yesterday. I think this collection is just pure missed potential and a cashgrab. The only issue I had with gameplay is Amy's hammer not having a big enough hitbox for those spike enemies. Her vault from the advance games would've been nice. I still hate those spikes in metropolis zone. and the game gear audio is absolutely horrendous.
so i really just wanna be able to have the classic sonic games, have them work with minimal bugs (at least that werent in the original), and have the Drop Dash. I dont mind the lack of features too much. Should i get origins?
6. Easy Debug enabler (like fucking Sonic Mania has by default! - post-game ofc) - DEATH OF THE LONG ASS SECRET CODES PLEASE 7. Fixing the "Well Physics" on Scrap Yard Zone (act2) and Carnival Night Zone (I think we don't talk about those enough for real) 8. (AND KEY FIX FOR S3&K) Please, PLEASE, really please, fix the hitbox of the insta-shield (probably it will apply for Amy's too)* *The easiest way to explain is this: In Ice Cap Zone, you see frozen monitors right? You have to jump on them twice (Ice -> Monitor) In the OG S3, you can break the monitor inside the ice BUT WITHOUT BREAKING THAT ICE with an insta-shield attack (- and even keep/gain momentum while doing so!) This is not possible on Sonic Origins and I think noone addressed this detail... Thanks Matt for this video!!
I know this is random, but I don't understand RUclips's algorithm. I searched this video and typed the video title WORD FOR WORD, and it was the 12th result. I thought I must have forgotten the exact name or something but that wasn't the case. I've noticed this issue even when I search for my own videos. It'll give me a bunch of unrelated content first before showing my own content, even when I search the exact title. Just thought I'd bring it up because its a problem RUclips really needs to fix, and I see its affecting everyone's content
What I found interesting is when we look at the Sonic 2 section of the Sonic Superstars trailer, we see it has been made VERY blurry. Maybe the blur filter is Origins is intentional to give it that 'old' feeling? I'm not excusing this terribly disappointing game, but I simply found it weird they wanted to emphasize on how old the Classic Sonic games are supposed to be in the Superstars trailer. It made me think of how Genesis emulators have optional filters to emulate those old TV screens, I guess I wish they would have made it optional in this game too.
Just gonna drop your regularly scheduled "The Game Gear games are the original versions" post. The Master System versions are basically SADX quality ports. They run slower, they lost or broke features, they downgraded graphics, their music plays at the wrong tempos, and they're just all around the worse versions in each case.
I disagree. Some of the changes made to them are specifically because of hardware differences and such, there's really not much difference between them in gameplay features and they run just as well as the game gear versions and their associated slowdown too (both systems have the exact same CPU so it's not really possible for one to overall run worse than the other). I know Sonic 2 and Chaos have the most music differences when it comes to their respective versions, but it's not that big of a deal honestly. Sonic 1 SMS in particular also has a romhack called Sonic 1 Perfect System that makes the game even better than the original by removing the autoscrolling and set scrolling sections. So that just further makes the GG version redundant. The only truly bad sms port is Sonic Blast (Aswell as the Spinball port but that's irrelevant) because it was the one with the least effort put into it because they only accounted for the main levels when enhancing the screen resolution, it was not optimized well, and they didn't account very much for the SMS's lower color palette, making it look muddier. But even then, people might just play it over the GG version because of the better screen resolution alone, it's a bad game overall though.
@@Turbulation1 The guy who made a video detailing the differences between Sonic 1 took a full hour to go through the differences. Sonic 2 has even more downgrades on the SMS, bosses are straight up missing attacks, and music tempos are plain broken causing the Master System tracks to play off key. Given that Sonic 2 has the same composers as Sonic CD, it really hurts one of the best parts of the game. As does the slower speed of the SMS version on the whole. Pretending there's not a difference, doesn't make it go away. Origins goes with the versions that are less janky and have better gameplay. Screen crunch as a con is overhated. You can play the Game Gear versions in full SMS resolution on Kega Fusion though...so one wonders why that isn't an option in Origins.
@@SonicCDspeedrunArchivesYou keep acting like most of the differences between sonic 1 SMS and the GG versions are for the worse in terms of SMS, but I don't see it that way. All I see are a bunch of changes made to accommodate for the GG's screen resolution by downscaling graphics and altering level design to be fairer, that doesn't make the GG version better than the SMS version, it's just making sonic 1 easier to play on a handheld. As for Sonic 2 SMS, it does have more noticeable issues between ports, but I think that might be because of two different development branches of Aspect developing both versions, and one had a different difficulty vision in mind than the other. So, the team that developed the SMS version, strived for generally an easier game and so didn't add much complexity to the bosses, while the GG team did. So, you could probably not interpret them as issues, and more so just genuine differences. And have you tried playing the SMS ports in NTSC/60 Hz mode? Because that might be why you keep thinking the game is too slow and the music too, because by default the Sonic 2 SMS port runs at PAL speed which is 50Hz or 25/50 FPS (and because it was only released in Europe). If you run it at NTSC speed, it should feel just like the GG version. Also just boosting the resolution of Sonic 2 GG doesn’t really make it better than SMS in that regard because for one, the HUD will still be in it's original position which is quite distracting, there will be constant screen flickering at the top of the screen, enemies will just pop in because they still only consider the GG's resolution, and often the graphics will mess up around you which is very jarring, and this to me just feels like too much of a nuisance to play with. If they added this option in Origins, it would look really unprofessional and come off as a very desperate move on Sega's part.
IDK about that level select gripe, chief. Sonic 3&K has it natively through it's save feature, and Sonic 1 and 2 you have to do it the old fashioned way with a cheat code, preserving the authenticity of the games. As for Sonic CD, theres the time trials you can do to get a level select, but only Sonic is playable from what I've fiddled with so that's the only one that kinda sucks.
9:34 They can't use "Sonic Origins Plus is the whole package" as an excuse to not do something like this because the retail version only has regular Origins on the cart with the expansion pack included as a separate download code.
Honestly convinced they didn't do a physical release and omitted Amy and GG games to justify doing a 'Plus' release like with Mania. Whole thing was obviously planned from the beginning. So many small issues and QoL updates they just decided to not address at all. The actual plus content isn't even included on the game disc for god's sake, you have download it separately. Whole thing was done just so they can say "Here's Amy and GG games in Origins Plus, also buy Superstars which also has Amy as well as Fang from the GG games."
What do you mean with PC finally having a stable CD port? The remake of Sonic CD was ported to PC a long long time ago and it was available through Steam, it's literally the same version from Origins but better, of course it was removed because of Origins
nowadays the cd pc port kinda sucks, especially if you have a monitor above 60hz, if for example you have an 120hz monitor, the game runs at 2x speed. It’s also got that crappy blur on it no matter what screen filter you pick.
Ow, that hits hard, my favorite aspect of Origins Plus is the Game Gear games, i know are not perfect, and i preffer Sonic 1 and Sonic Chaos of Master System, and i preffer Sonic Spinball of Mega Drive, but kinda love that detail :c
Despite this collection being pretty mid without mods, I still would have bought it if it wasn't for the Denuvo DRM still being anchored to this. Like the games been out for nearly a year, why is Denuvo still here?
Files for Story Mode akin to "Sonic 3 & Knuckles" and "Sonic Mania" would have been amazing. I'm also surprised we only got Amy. I thought they would have added in Metal Sonic as well or Mighty and Ray.
If you didn't know, in the time and ranking menu in the Museum, you can select from each act in all four games there to replay it and compete for a better time. It's incredibly unintuitive and odd to get to for no reason, but it's been there since the vanilla release.
I don't know if the trigger for it got fixed but by beating the game with level select exclusive features, even if i restart the system or beat the game normally afterwards, the is a bug i got that the opening doesn't play & it skips to the actual game, only happens in the indivual games however & It's still there to this day, so it seems as if either it's not fixed or the trigger is fixed but if it's triggered before the patch it stays & Either they didn't fix the part of if it's already triggered or that part is permanent & they just couldn't fix it It's kinda permanently game altering but it's not so bad it kills the game it something, heck it might make the game slightly but REALLY not by much
Most of the issues for me are audio based. - Sonic 3&K has muffled music & poor sound equaliser settings/performance all around. - The versions of the replacement prototype tracks in Sonic 3&K are by FAR the worst versions ever composed for them. - Sonic CD sound is too quiet/low volume. (again, also slightly muffled). - Sonic 2's Hidden Palace Zone doesn't use Track 10 which was clearly going to be the final intended track for this once lost zone. (Infact they've even removed Track 10 from the music sound test option menu. What the hell??) - Sonic 1 is fairly consistent, but doesn't have the same HQ audio as the mobile version. All that being said & true, yeah there should be BASIC options like playing with lives/continues but with wide-screen. I could go on. I feel very passionately about classic Sonic... They massive dropped the ball here & Sonic Origins still currently is NOT the definitive way to play these games. I haven't got the Plus version yet. I am holding on to hope they will listen to the many outcries from fans & adhere to addressing Origins to how it could & should be. HQ visual definition, HQ & fixed/improved audio across all games, level select, save states, significantly improved options/settings menu etc. A man can dream...
In Sonic 2 Tails is the only character with no super form. Sonic, Knuckles and Amy have one. They should fix it
Poor tails
Yeah I didn't get that either, I think the DLC needs more polish for sure.
Either tails should get it or Amy shouldn't
I thought he had one in mania 💀
@@jamesmonorow574 he did, he doesn't have it in sonic 2
Amy's insta-shield has an extended hitbox which makes it possible to drill thru certain bosses like a knife thru butter.
She doesn't have an insta-shield. You must be talking about her hammer spin.
@@t-bird6853 he literally compares it in video to the instashield
@@gameyfirebro9645 but it ISN'T the insta-shield. It has a completely different effect and everything
@@t-bird6853 I only said that because he compared it to that. My comment would likely be different if not for his comparison.
Once you have the chaos emeralds and turn into hyper/super Amy you can spam Y (or Δ) and she’ll throw out hammers in an arc. Absolute boss-killer.
Sonic Origins: Widescreen + Missions
Sonic Mega Collection: Everything Else
What baffles me is how on the same day Origins Plus released, Frontiers Update 2 released, which included so much content, quality of life improvements, and went as far as to fix momentum, one of the biggest issues with the game. The Frontiers team managed to do all that along with update 1-as FREE updates-in the 8 months Frontiers has been out, yet the Origins team could hardly do a fraction of that in a whole year.
@@reubensalter8125dude, literally only 60 people were and are working in frontiers, the other 350 could do something with origins.
@@reubensalter8125 Executive bias doesn’t mean to go all in on one project at the critical expense of other projects. don’t get me wrong, i’m incredibly happy with how the frontiers updates turned out, and im grateful for sonic team because of it, but it shouldn’t have come at the expense of origins plus, which was not only one of their bigger releases, but was a second chance for them to redeem origins and make it live up to its name as the definitive classic sonic collection.
@@reubensalter8125 yeah, but its a simple dlc. 3 people could do better.
@@reubensalter8125 true.
The part that surprised me the most is that i didn't actually hate sonic blast, which kinda disappointed me because i wanted a really shit game and instead i got a servicable early handheld game. 0/10
Are you Shetardet?
Game Gear games aren't really as primitive or bad as people think. I even kinda liked how Sonic Labyrinth had a unique gimmick of relying on the spindash to move. Tails Adventure is also a great Metroidvania.
As far as I’m aware in my short time, they still haven’t fixed most of the bugs. So I’m still sticking with the decomps and 3AIR for the foreseeable future. Should be easy enough to port Amy to the former, and Sonic is still better in the latter. And the Game Gear emulation leaves a lot to be desired, so standalone emulators will still be a lot better for those. I get the benefits, but none of the cons, and 100% less Denuvo.
Sonic 3 Complete is pretty good too if you want to run it on actual Sega Genesis hardware.
Plus if you're emulating the game gear games you've got access to rom hacks that add things like super forms or Shadow with a distinct moveset of his own.
I appreciate any time a company makes their old titles available on modern platforms, but if I want to play the Game Gear titles I've got far more interesting ways to do it
@@zeroattentiongaming820 My favorite Game Gear rom hack is called "Tails Kicks Ass" and it's a direct sequel to Tails Adventure that takes place immediately after it. The cool thing about it is Tails wears sunglasses in it too. lol
Try Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute w/Community Pack for the definitive versions of 1 & 2
@@rafaelzavros4391 ^^^^^^^^^ All good stuff!!!
I hope they keep updating Origins plus, for me it needs more to be amazing. I would love love if they added more games and not settle for just 12 titles mainly 3d blast and knuckles and the chaotix. Also I think if they made Eggman and Metal Sonic playable it will make the game more unique especially story-wise with new cutscenes from the villain's perspective along side of course the list that you mentioned with level select, fixing the blur and etc.
They won’t update anymore. That was it sadly 😔
@@Bagz1994they will but there won’t be any more games because they are going to add stuff to the game gears
@@Bagz1994also they might add master systems
@@BROTHEPLANE9 where did you get this information from?
@@Bagz1994 I just guessed because it wouldn’t be a complete collection with a option to change
Thank you for the input, Matt! I've been flip flopping on whether I want to buy this DLC or not, so I appreciate you for making this. I enjoyed the original Sonic Origins a ton, so maybe I'll buy this DLC one of these days. One thing I wish for this collection to surpass the ones from the past is that they fix more of the issues people have with the collection, like the blur from the Clean filter. I've been praying that this game gets another update that fixes a lot more of the issues people have so we can truly have the definitive way to play these games, but I don't see that coming to the light of day, even though I'd be so grateful for it!
I hate the fact there's no lives in the extended mode
You should get the dlc only if you want to play amy in the games but if you really want amy rose you could get her in the rom hack games where she appears with cream and installing them isn't even that hard. You can play as a motorbug for Ra's sake. Sadly this game was disapointing. The sonic 3 music broke my heart, the new tracks just don't compare.
@@moonlightblade11 Yeah, when Sega announced the collection, I saw the Sonic & Knuckles collection songs coming miles away and if you ask me if that hurts... while I didn't mind it much... in a nutshell... yes, then again, this is why the PC version has advantages over the consoles, as modding the game isn't too difficult and there are tools that allows you to disable the mods to keep the game intact anytime and also restore stuff like the music from those 3 stages of Sonic 3 and disable unlimited lives+continues in both Anniversary modes (remember there's the standard one, and the unlockable "edoM rorriM"... however despite that, the use of coins in special stages are still active.. .and getting coins is still easy peasy even if Sega removed the 1-up monitor from the Debug Mode as there are workarounds for that like spawning enough monitors of 10 rings to get up to 3-ups, get hit by an enemy, rinse and repeat for about 5 to 10 minutes to get 999 coins).
I felt like this collection deserved way better if it had more time to be polished.
Still bothered that they still didn't add Knuckles Chatoix, 3D Blast and Genesis Spinball to the collection
But it feels so good to finally play as Amy Rose, she is getting the recognition she deserves
Granted, he 3D Blast, Spinball, and Mean Bean Machine are already rereleased via the Sega Genesis Classics Collection game, (which even has a physical copy) or through the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pass.
Finally someone that mentions about genesis spinball game.
Also it seems the writers is rewritten Amy Rose, so she will be playable in more classic games.
Thank you for mentioning the Master System versions of the Game Gear games. It’s such a disappointment they didn’t include those.
Also curious if the spring into the spikes thing was fixed in Metropolis Zone. I still haven’t played the game, but I remember hearing it was an issue.
@@Rooflesoftgames1 same. What’s the point of using the GG version when an MS version exists that’s not all zoomed in? Doesn’t make sense. It’s like they forgot they even existed.
Im so happy that Amy is becoming a more integral part of the Sonic games again with Origins Plus, Frontiers, and Superstars
yeah, i think it's safe to say, this is the year of Amy
Nice it's classic Amy too, whom you hardly see. I liked the return of Mighty and Ray in Mania also. It's nice the Sonic fanbase has started to embrace other characters again.
Well writers are rewritten Amy to a different character (more adventurer since she was a kid than just a normal citizen, as establized in SA1 and SA2). So she will appear in more games.
7:37 level select has existed since the game released. Idk why people keep saying it doesn't. Go to the main menu with the islands and go left of sonic 1, the museum slide specifically and go to my data and ranking (i know its a weird misnomer). Then just click on a stage with triangle (on ps but its different for other platforms).
Idk, i just hate that everyone is saying this despite it being completely false.
Your're right but I did wish they would have made a level select menu whenever your choosing the games rather than doing all of that. Would have made it easier tbh.
@@GLXY23 its two button presses after opening the game...
@@Aiden-Ed fair enough I guess
Oh really? Thanks for the info
There's also the level select codes which can be used in anniversary mode. It allows you to enable the insta-shield & elemental shields in sonic 1 and 2, enable the peel out in sonic 3, disable super music in 2 and 3, and enable super sonic and tails in sonic 1.
Like it or not, this is the generation's "Mega Collection Plus".
The original Mega Collection had different extras than Mega Collection Plus.
Okay, but where's 3D Blast
@@DarkLink1996.dont forget mean bean machine and ristar
@@DarkLink1996. Sonic 3D Blast for Sega Saturn/PC is really good. So was the Sonic 3D Blast Director's Cut for Sega Genesis made by the guy who worked on it originally. I consider that game because of that fact alone. It also has a ton of QOL improvements.
@@lemon5000-tj6nv Genesis Classics has Ristar AND 3D blast.
Never blame the devs, blame the higherups at SEGA.
It's not always the higher ups, both can make mistakes
@gunman8452 the devs have straight up said they wanted to fix everything but sega wasn't making it easy for them
@@LangtreeI see what your saying but terrible counter argument he was saying devs can make mistakes
Both make mistakes
@Langtree not everything wrong with Frontiers is SEGA's fault, some stuff came from poor decisions like the animations or the poor cyberspace physics
I'm definitely not buying this, metacritic and critics still giving the same score as the og origins. The only thing that looks redeeming is Amy and Ig the game gear looks fun but could've been remastered. I'm sorry for you playing heroes and getting sick :(
bro amy is sick the hammer is so OP, the game gear versions kinda sucks compared to the master system versions but they are alright
Heroes is trash lol one of the worst Sonic Games ever. Origins is a Masterpiece compared to Frontiers.
@@KillyRR fax tho
@@J.The_Saint yeah you right I saw more gameplay on the game gear and it should've been remastered or remaked
@@RedvalkDoggo To be honest the Master System Versions would be ok with me but no they picked the sh**ty Game Gear Versions.
I hated that in the Mega Collection for GC too.
Rewlly the only thing I wanted from Origins+ is Knuckles' Chaotix. I know that might sound like a big ambition, but there is reason behind it. Just the fact that it hasn't been re-released in any form since it's original on the SEGA 32X just baffles me. At least, we got something with the music.
Seriously! The Game Gear games have been re-released so many times at this point between the previous collections and SADX. Meanwhile Chaotix and the Saturn version of 3D Blast have *never* been re-released. This would’ve been the perfect opportunity, and honestly would’ve better justified the extra cost.
@@SilverSpireZI like the Game Gear games (especially "Tails Adventure") but I agree, Chaotix needs a rerelease.
Only official rerelease it had was on the now defunct, old, GameTap PC retro game subscription service.
It’s because that game is terrible?
I've been thinking about getting it, it really is just because Amy is in it now, but with superstars being infinitly more interesting and already owning all those game gear games besides 2 or 3 on other consoles or my original game gear, I just don't see a reason.
There’s no reason to get it honestly.
Amy is just a reskin of sonic but she’s really really bad. No special moves it’s just she has something like the insta shield but you can still get hit and something like rolling but you’re running.
It’s a waste of money
This and Superstars giving Amy such a spotlight makes me happy. It's like Mario making Peach a part of the main playable cast- just extra options and more depth of gameplay, makes the cast more rich.
On top of that we know how many years we've been forced to play as Sonic and only Sonic in every mainline game. W/the rest of the cast coming to Frontiers along w/Origins and Superstars it seems like Sega and Izuka are finally bringing back the concept of many character campaigns, which was a huge part of Sonic from 3&K up till 06. Mania did it well and now everything we're getting has the concept there.
When you complete the new image in the surprise menu, you are rewarded 100 Coins and the cheat codes to unlock the Level Select Menus are added to the Tutorials when you boot up the games and in the Tutorials menus. They did not change how they are unlocked or inputed however so for Sonic CD you still need to beat Time Attack in under 25 minutes to unlock the Sound Test
Can you elaborate on how to unlock Level Select and where it appears in an isolated post/reply?
I think there's just a lot of missed opportinities. For ME personally these are the changes that would make the collection go from mid to great!
1. Beta music versions for the replaced MJ tracks. (Heck, even fannade versions have been far superior than what they used)
2. The extra music you unlock should be playable IN the actual games, not just the museum.
3. Easy access to elemental shields for each game instead of having to access debug/level select mode where you can't even save your progress. They add such a new experience to the games, and make them feel fresh again from that alone.
4. A nitpick but I'd like smooth rotations on sprites when going through loops similar to Sonic Mania
5. Coins need extra uses. Buying extra character skins you could unlock that are simply cosmetic would be amazing and add a ton of replay value and insentive to use coins.
These are the fixes that would fix the game and make it worth every penny in my opinion
Thank you! I literally brought this up and people shit on me for it saying “Those things aren’t necessary.”
There should’ve been a customization menu for each game akin to Sonic 3 AIR and the Team Forever Sonic hacks. Sonic Mania had customization menus that changes the visuals and its gameplay and that was an original title.
Nah I like my characters to be vanilla as possible. I do agree with we should play any music in any stage in game and not just at museum
For what it's worth, you can change the direction of Amy's hammer drop dash up to three times, and it doesn't lose momentum. I'm sure someone will find something useful to use it for, but I haven't yet.
I can see it used for a somewhat easier time warp in Sonic CD, but I dunno.
I got Origins Plus phyiscally few days ago and it was my first time beating the classic games and I absolutely loved my time playing them
You do know there are cheat codes in each game
Sans CD. In Sonic 1 you can turn on spin dash, elemental shields, a 7th emerald, or you can just put in a cheat code to get all emeralds in each game (not CD). You can even play as Sonic and Tails on Sonic 1. As far as lives that’s the point of classic mode. In Sonic 2 the level select code if you go to Sound test and press 00 3 times. It’s a configuration menu and you can turn on Elemental Shields. Random monitors and a few other stuff. Sonic 3 level select has a lot of secret options. Get all emeralds and Super Emeralds, turn off super music. Change badniks to penguin store. And a lot of other cool codes.
Basically your misinforming people because you haven’t even found all of the features the game offers. And like someone else mentioned you can replay any stage on from any game you completed on the “My Data and Ranking” which is basic the collections time attack.
I think the "wallpaper" gets you cheats in the menu
also, regarding Amy, I think it feels like possibly her hurtbox is smaller?Not really sure. As far as her hammer dash, it's the only move in the game where you can do a grounded attack and stay running. Since being in a ball makes you more effected by the physics, it's a small disadvantage in terms of control, thus Amy can attack without sacrificing as much control. This makes Amy slower but sort of less slippery. She also can turn around while hammering, further affording her greater control. There are also times when being able to attack while running forward and remain running is advantageous, since there is no way to uncurl once in ball form without jumping. I think her moveset, while subtle, could actually be pretty interesting given enough time.
So I think after playing the for about a day now I think I pretty much can confidently say that this is the best way to play the 4 main classic titles on consoles at least, since the PC version has denuvo making it the worst version of origins and the fact that you can get the fan hacks on pc definitely doesn't do that version any favours but at the very least it is nice to see nice to see some of the issues with the original launch get fixed like the roll lock in Sonic 1 and 2, Tails broken ai in sonic 2 and the weird collision with some objects in metropolis zone as those were basically the only major glitches I have properly encountered in origins
There were also several Sonic 3 & Knuckles bugs that were fixed, such as the infinitely falling rocks in Marble Garden Act 1, and now the transition from Launch Base to Mushroom Hill no longer remains silent
Thank you for mentioning they should've ported the Master System games. It's unbelievable that SEGA always acts like the Master System never existed. They are also emulating the Game Gear games with a shrunk 5:4 aspect ratio instead of 4:3 which makes the image even smaller than it already is. The Games Gear collection is unplayable that way for me.
And yeah, it's also unacceptable that they didn't remove the filter on the 16-bit games or give us 3D Blast and Knuckles Chaotix 😭
Having not bought Origins, I’m still picking this up
Yes, Sonic 3 A.I.R is far superior, but my only other access to the other 3 classics is on Mobile, so…
Well you can use Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute (decomps of the mobile versions on pc). CD sadly has no good pc port besides origins, but CD restored is serviceable I guess.
@@aci6737 I know, and I may get those on my laptop, but I mainly play Xbox
(My laptop runs like crap)
@@kbtvstudios9528 ah ok. I had assumed you could run them on pc since you mentioned S3AIR
Would ideal if they weren’t PC-exclusive
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I legit didn’t even know Sonic Origins Plus came out about yesterday because of its terrible marketing💀
Honestly Knuckles in Sonic CD should have always been there
The game's level design is perfectly suited for him. I'm having so much fun just gliding around huge portions of the levels.
While it fits Knuckles, Sonic CD was made before Sonic 3 and Knuckles come out and Sonic CD was on disc so it can't be lock-on to the Sonic and Knuckles cart so Knuckles been in Sonic CD was an impossible implementation at the time.
I dont have the DLC, but something I noticed is that in the update that coincided with the DLC, control customization was added to console and they re-added the third jump button.
Oh so they added something new. Control cust. wasn't there before? And what do you mean by third jump button?
@@windy3935 On consoles, control customization wasn't there before until now. and square (ps / x (xbox) / y (Switch) can now be used to jump, like in Mania.
One thing I haven't seen anyone cover... Are you able to change the item boxes in Sonic 1 and 2 into the Sonic 3 item boxes? Like the setting on the mobile versions.
Yes, you can. You just have to get to the level select with the cheat code the old fashioned way, rather than a simple modern menu like Matt wanted.
@@GamerMinillaI guess younger gamers like him don't understand "cheat codes."
I didn’t see you mention it and I didn’t even figure this out until I was almost done with the 4th game, but after you activate super/hyper Amy with the chaos emeralds you can press Y (or Δ) and she’ll throw out her hammer in an arc. You can spam this move and you’ll basically turn into a more mobile version of the Hammer Koopas from Mario.
I still think Mega Collection and Mega Collection Plus is the best classic collection out there.
At this rate, they should have just ported sonic mega collection plus and add wide screen
Odd how Frontiers is getting more love that Origins
Finally someone agrees with me. I’m not too hyped for Origins Plus. It’s the same thing we’ve seen and played over and over again but with 1 extra new character. Superstars is something new I’m looking forward to
Based take. Origins is a huge L and Superstars is looking to be a W so far.
the main thing I want fixed is the audio. Maybe it’s fine on console when it’s coming out of a tv, but on pc with headphones the poor audio quality is very noticeable (everything sounds very compressed in game but not the menus). The audio sounds perfect in the fan mods so idk what happened here.
I can’t seem to find mods to fix it either.
Second this.
Using the Game Gear versions instead the Master System ones is just so baffling to me. If this is built to be played on TVs/modern displays...why would they think they should go with the zoomed-in view of the Game Gear versions?
At least Sonic Frontiers was a success. And Sonic Superstars is coming this fall so let's hope that game will be good.
7:32 I don't mean to be a nerd but all the games (excluding CD) have a secret level select. Sonic 1's level select lets you pick your character, cap your speed and air time, restore the spike bug from the original game, and even start the game with all chaos emeralds. In Sonic 1, you CAN turn off the spindash. It even lets you use both Sonic and Tails in Sonic 1 as well as hyper Sonic. Codes are inserted with the sound tests. This was all here since the beginning.
The fact that it can only be through the level select and not a customization menu on the main hub where you select which game to play is kinda silly. I know i’m beating a dead horse but I wished Headcannon took notes from Sonic 3 AIR and Sonic hacks like 1 Forever and 2 Absolute where all those options were in a convenient and accessible place on the main menu
@@Butwhythough881 To me, a level select is a level select and I’m glad it exists in the first place. Headcannon had no control over the game other than the development of Sonic 3&K. I do kind of wish the replay levels screen in the 2013 ports of Sonic 1 and 2 were present in Sonic Origins. But I’m fine without it. I tend to appreciate things we get rather than complaining about things we didn’t get.
@@JimmysDonuts How is asking for a proper customization screen where you can switch on and off gameplay elements or add other things like crt filters complaining? I didn’t say the level select was unnecessary I said it was silly that you needed to go into the game and activated to customize it.
Origins isn’t terrible like so many trolls like to make it out to be but I don’t understand why people who ask for certain things to be better than what they are get called entitled or are called complainers.
Sonic 1 spin-dash disable option is restricted to the stage select cheat code, same to re-enable the nasty vanilla spike behavior, I still have to look into one of TWO fatal collection crash issues, the 1st that I already saw (and a few others) is that if you use the "& Knuckles brand removal" in Sonic 3 sound test cheat and then enter the slot machine bonus stage, the collection dies on you... ON ALL PLATFORMS!!!!, the other one is in Sonic 1 in Sonic + Tails mode (which needs the stage select cheat code) and the result is the same as the Sonic 3 fatal issue I mentioned, but in Sonic 1 collecting the 6th (and in default settings the final) emerald makes the collection die on you... and again... ON ALL PLATFORMS!!! (the issue happened at random prior to the day 1 patch, never happened after the day 1 patch, and the issue returned on steroids with the pre-plus version that added the Sonic 3 cheats that pretty much are copy-pasted from Mania)... and if said issue still happens, I have the feeling that Amy + Tails mode will suffer the same ill fate, also still no Super Tails in Sonic 2 without debug mode.
Edit: Sega should have added those options that are restricted to in-game cheat codes like the Sonic 1 spindash option, Sonic 1 spike behavior or even allowing without cheat to play as Knuckles alone in Sonic 2 "classic" mode and of course, the image issue (it doesn't really bothers me much, however if it had the option in-game I'll use it for sure, again, PC version has the modding advantage... and no, I'm NOT counting the Switch version due to complex shenanigas one has to pull off to mod the game).
After the Atari 50th collection, there is no excuse to not bring it with these game compalations anymore. I did pick it up since I waited. But Sega really should have included the Neo Pocket and Master system games. That would have made this the go to Sonic collection. But knowing sega on the switch 2 they will make another sega collection. Maybe finally get master system games witch sega wants us to forget it was ever around. Atari really set a new standard for game compalations.
There might be legal issues with the NeoGeo Pocket version, because that was made and partly owned by NeoGeo. They might include it in s few Neogeo pocket collection, seeing how Capcom games were included in the previous 2 volumes.
As disappointing as it is for Sega to stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the Master System in their game collections, I can begrudgingly accept it somewhat. Instead, I found myself disappointed that they didn't bother to include the manuals for the Game Gear releases. Having some of them being Japan exclusive is no excuse since Mega Collection Plus and Gems Collection were able to acknowledge that no problem.
You can turn off spin dash and all that by using cheat codes to disable them along with option to enable elemental shields for Sonic 1-2
I think he's talking about an easily accessible method to do all that. One that players won't possibly miss and isn't a chore to enable.
The option is still there and no it’s not a chore it takes less than 5 seconds. Especially when those who love tinker with settings in modern games either on pc or console
If I have to look up something to do it, it's cumbersome imo. I turned on the game to play it, and there's things I want that I never even knew was in there that makes the experience better for me. And the only way I learned about its existence is, well, luck.
Sonic 2 Absolute fixes this issue by just having all the options in a menu on the main menu. And sonic 3 AIR has that, AND an options menu on the pause screen. I hope Sega implements something like this, or at least makes the screens already in Origins a menu option, perhaps before you select the game.
@@hoobguy guess you have a point there. I mean I knew level selects in classic games for a very long time so I guess I’m bias here
Not sure if origins have it like mania's chemical plant, but the weird killing when "crushed" by two blocks at the rising water sections lowkey put a bad taste in my mouth 😂
they should've made completely remade versions of the gamegear titles and ported the genesis versions of spinball and mean bean machine instead
Wish Amy got an actual super form instead of just a lighter pink
Why do people want lives so badly? They're SO annoying and just make me not even want to finish the games.
Oh yeah that came out
Everyone's playing Sonic Frontiers. I'm all alone with Sonic Origins Plus. :(
@@MatthasnocutsI'm a Sonic fanatic, and yet I didn't even realize it came out yet until this video. Now I wish I didn't know that it came out
@@MatthasnocutsNo, I’m playing it too
Thanks for this. I didn't buy the original and I was considering buying the Plus version until Sonic Superstars was announced. Although I may not even buy either. They aren't really doing anything new with their movesets outside of the universal Emerald abilities.
Which is sorta annoying, as I'd love to have more expansive movesets on the characters rather than more gimmicks. Sure you can have a normal playthrough and whatnot, but being able to at least unlock movesets for the cast would be dope. Or at LEAST allow them to interact with one another. Flying with tails, Gliding with knuckles, boosts of speed from sonic, and Amy being able to launch allies with her hammer.
I hate the fact there's no lives in the extended mode
The unleashed wallpaper behind the "secret" made me stand up from my seat..
I don't know if I should still buy Sonic Origins Plus or not. As someone who has better options to play these games on PC via fan remasters, it can't compete. But Sonic Origins Plus didn't need to win that fight, it just had to put up the fight with more compelling content and customizable options. I was thinking about buying the collection on switch at least, but what you see is what you get honestly. I'm more sad than anything because I still like a pick up and play way of playing these remasters.
I’m in the same boat. I have the fan remasters on pc myself but I did by Origins for Switch when it came out. It would’ve been great to have a good customization menu to customize the gameplay and visuals for each game, instead of needing to go through the level select, because it really does make a difference in replayability
Unfortunately, asking for that is considered complaining to some.
New ideas for Sonic Origins Update 3:
Changing Sonic and his friend’s sprites including Mania, 1, 2, 3&K, and as a 100% completion reward, advance sprites.
Add the advance games.
Make mini cutscenes at the end of every zone.
Option to take out drop dash or even spin dash.
Add Mighty, Ray, and Super Amy.
New completely polished update.
A full Mania style additional video game like SuperStars to complete the collection.
100% Completion reward from Sonic 1- Option to switch to 2x speed.
100% Completion reward from Sonic CD- Metal Sonic playable.
100% Completion reward of Sonic 2- Option to play multiplayer replicated from SuperStars.
100% Completion reward from Sonic 3 and Knuckles- Sonic Mania skin.
Option to switch spin dash from normal to Generations.
Make Sonic 1 have 7 emeralds.
Make Sonic 2 change the pink emerald.
Make Knuckles impervious to badniks by crouching, like in his boss fight in Sonic and Knuckles.
Add new features to Hyper Sonic and Super Sonic by making them able to fly in the same controls as Sonic Mania’s final boss.
Make Hyper Sonic invincible to getting crushed.
100% completion of the new game I mentioned unlocks a Shadow sprite.
Edit: Thank to @douglasanddrinks for the Metal Sonic idea!
That would be the best Sonic collection ever!
Imma call it Sonic Origins: Unlimited
Add Metal to
Oh yeah
I made him for a 100% completion reward for Sonic CD which is done by getting the good ending!
I know this sounds like nitpicking but HELL THE OLD COMPANIES DID CARE, I wish they had different styles of sprite for each of Amy appearances in the games, same with Tails and Knuckles so we have a ''what if'' scenario of them being on the initial release of the games, also yeah wish they used the super jump of Sonic Advance for Amy and maybe weird niche ability to break spikes or something with a charged hammer, something to maker her...well UNIQUE
Also, sorry but your eyes are distracting, so shiny and beautiful
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We already had this version of CD on PC before Origins. And I’m not talking about the Sega CD port of the original. The PC port of the mobile version.
I'm happy that there is atleast SOME newly added value and preservation value theough adding the entire library of Game Gear Sonic games, yet I'm still so confused about the lack of emulated ROMs of either version of 3D Blast, the Genesis versions of MBM and Spinball, along with Chaotix. Especially when all of them are represented in the extras, to the point of their entire OSTs being included. Its so weird how everytime Origins does something it feels like they didn't think it all the way through.
Fun fact: So apparently "Sonic Chaos" is called "Sonic & Tails", but Sonic the Hedgehog: Triple Trouble aka Sonic Triple Trouble, is called "Sonic & Tails 2" 😅
Yeah, because Triple Trouble is a sequel to Sonic Chaos
Level select and Super music toggle would be my top requests. As for the blur, if it is such a simple "fix" then I think it's fair to say it's a creative decision. That said, I would at least expect an option to turn it off.
The M2 Switch Eshop "Sega Ages" version has those options.
There *is* level select, for example I know in sonic 1 you input the old mega drive level select code and it works. It’s just CD I don’t think has one, or you need to unlock it I guess.
You can turn off the spin dash in Sonic 1, you just need to get in the level select
I saw a gameplay video where someone turned into super/hyper form, and the music that played was the invincibility theme (like it's SUPPOSED to) instead of the horrific remix they put in there. No idea if this is toggleable in Origins Plus, but I hope so.
You sure, because I'm looking at gameplay videos and that Sonic 4 Esque remix still plays.
@@Turbulation1 I figured it out, the person playing the game used a mod to restore the correct music. That’s annoying.
5:41 Once you fully uncover the wallpaper it tells you all of the available cheat codes you can use across all of the main games (that includes level select)
I never got to play the original Sonic games and have been wanting to play the originals. I played Sonic 1 through emulation and was hoping SEGA would release a collection for modern consoles. I didn’t buy Origins and bought Origins plus and I can’t wait to get into it.
What did you mean by "We finally have a stable pc port of Sonic CD"? Didn't the 2011 port work just fine?
It had a lot of performance issues and crashes. It even had issues with the refresh rates of monitors.
I can recommend Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute and Sonic 3 AIR, especially if you have a Steam Deck.
The only 8-bit Sonic games I dislike are the Sonic Blast and the Drift games. I enjoy Sonic 1, Sonic 2, and Sonic Chaos
I actually like the Drift games. Blast is the only weird one for me. Sky Patrol is weird and makes sense when you find out that it was meant to be a Disney game originally and Tails Adventure is a really good Metroidvania that more people should play.
Sonic Blast is not a blast... but Silver Castle has a good theme. :)
@@macuser7048 I wanted to like Tails Adventure, but he's way too slow in the game which makes it a slog to play
@@robertlupa8273 It is a decent theme, but a 16-bit version would probably sound a bit better
@@RotcodFox I've seen two really good 16-bit remixes of it - one by *Sonic Fan 27,* one by *Bouncy Glow.* You should totally check them out. You won't be disappointed.
Well I can only buy physical games at the moment, and I want the classic sonic games in my hand and origins plus does that. Should I get it?
8:39 just like cars 3
No Spinball or Mean Bean Machine in 16 bit is disgraceful when Mega Collection had those games many years ago and even 3D Blast which is still enjoyable in its own way.
I still picked up the DLC for the sake of having Amy in all games, that’s about it.
Hopefully we’ll get a better collection next time.
uh you do release if you complete the suprise mode you unlocked cheats aka the level select codes also in level select in sonic 1 you can turn the spindash off yourself so yeah. and also why did you not like the sonic game gear games???
I just want the 3D area from Sonic Jam to come out. I will say, playing the collection makes me realize that widescreen is the way to play this series.
The collection may not be perfect, but I'm still glad to see a collection containing the core classic games. A dedicated level select is admittedly an oversight. Like, even if you have to beat each game once first, we should be able to unlock the ability to go to any stage with any character. Speaking of characters, I think Amy Rose is an excellent addition to the classic series. Her move set is limited, but honestly it really should be since that's how these characters were designed to function. Sure, in a perfect world Amy would have a hammer jump and Sonic would have his homing attack...but ya can't have everything! I haven't tried the game gear games yet but I'm glad they were included. I will soon. Yeah, I'd have preferred the Master System versions as well. Even so, to have this many classic Sonic games in one collection for modern players is an effort at preservation of these games. Preserving these stone cold classics is something I will always support!
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Have you tried turning off the anti-aliasing feature in the options menu? When I have it on, the image is just as smeared as many of the complaints mentioned. However, when I turn it off, the image looks just as sharp as it would on the genesis. I don’t know if I’m not properly seeing the difference between the originals and Origins in their visual presentation or if it’s my TV or if it’s the fact that my copy is on PS4, but I just don’t have the same blur filter issue that everyone else seems to have.
When Anti Aliasing is off, there's like a 0.2% blur filter you can't disable. Nevermind that the Anti Aliasing makes it look closer to how the games looked on hardware, nevermind there's a mod you can get on the PC that removes it - the reason these retro games always come with pixel smoothing enabled by default is because the developers' aim is to make the games look closer to the ways they did on hardware. In 1994 we didn't have ultra pixelated Sonic 3 because the TV's we had connected via composite video gave the graphics extra depth and shading. Pixelation at that time was seen as distinctly "8 bit" or worse. Game Boy Vision.
One thing that i believe would be amazing is to replace those sitty remakes of carnival night, ice cap and launch base, and replace them with the original ones that were used in the prototype version. I went ahead and listened to them, and they are amazing.
I'm having a blast with it. It was worth the ten bucks upgrade to finally be able to play as Amy in the classics, and playing as Knuckles in Sonic CD is even funner than playing as Sonic. Sonic CD has so much verticality to it, it's perfectly suited for Knuckles climbing and gliding abilities.
I don't mind the lack of a life system in anniversary mode, I don't lose any
I got this at the store yesterday. I think this collection is just pure missed potential and a cashgrab. The only issue I had with gameplay is Amy's hammer not having a big enough hitbox for those spike enemies. Her vault from the advance games would've been nice. I still hate those spikes in metropolis zone. and the game gear audio is absolutely horrendous.
It’s not that bad. Trial and error is nature of classic games
You can fix the GG audio by setting the audio to mono
so i really just wanna be able to have the classic sonic games, have them work with minimal bugs (at least that werent in the original), and have the Drop Dash. I dont mind the lack of features too much. Should i get origins?
Yea
It's fun
6. Easy Debug enabler (like fucking Sonic Mania has by default! - post-game ofc) - DEATH OF THE LONG ASS SECRET CODES PLEASE
7. Fixing the "Well Physics" on Scrap Yard Zone (act2) and Carnival Night Zone (I think we don't talk about those enough for real)
8. (AND KEY FIX FOR S3&K) Please, PLEASE, really please, fix the hitbox of the insta-shield (probably it will apply for Amy's too)*
*The easiest way to explain is this: In Ice Cap Zone, you see frozen monitors right? You have to jump on them twice (Ice -> Monitor)
In the OG S3, you can break the monitor inside the ice BUT WITHOUT BREAKING THAT ICE with an insta-shield attack (- and even keep/gain momentum while doing so!)
This is not possible on Sonic Origins and I think noone addressed this detail...
Thanks Matt for this video!!
I know this is random, but I don't understand RUclips's algorithm. I searched this video and typed the video title WORD FOR WORD, and it was the 12th result. I thought I must have forgotten the exact name or something but that wasn't the case. I've noticed this issue even when I search for my own videos. It'll give me a bunch of unrelated content first before showing my own content, even when I search the exact title. Just thought I'd bring it up because its a problem RUclips really needs to fix, and I see its affecting everyone's content
what do you think of the spindash added into Sonic Frontiers with Update 2?
I guess I'll just wait for a sale. I'm not spending all that money just to play as Amy...
What I found interesting is when we look at the Sonic 2 section of the Sonic Superstars trailer, we see it has been made VERY blurry. Maybe the blur filter is Origins is intentional to give it that 'old' feeling? I'm not excusing this terribly disappointing game, but I simply found it weird they wanted to emphasize on how old the Classic Sonic games are supposed to be in the Superstars trailer. It made me think of how Genesis emulators have optional filters to emulate those old TV screens, I guess I wish they would have made it optional in this game too.
Just gonna drop your regularly scheduled "The Game Gear games are the original versions" post. The Master System versions are basically SADX quality ports. They run slower, they lost or broke features, they downgraded graphics, their music plays at the wrong tempos, and they're just all around the worse versions in each case.
I disagree.
Some of the changes made to them are specifically because of hardware differences and such, there's really not much difference between them in gameplay features and they run just as well as the game gear versions and their associated slowdown too (both systems have the exact same CPU so it's not really possible for one to overall run worse than the other). I know Sonic 2 and Chaos have the most music differences when it comes to their respective versions, but it's not that big of a deal honestly.
Sonic 1 SMS in particular also has a romhack called Sonic 1 Perfect System that makes the game even better than the original by removing the autoscrolling and set scrolling sections. So that just further makes the GG version redundant.
The only truly bad sms port is Sonic Blast (Aswell as the Spinball port but that's irrelevant) because it was the one with the least effort put into it because they only accounted for the main levels when enhancing the screen resolution, it was not optimized well, and they didn't account very much for the SMS's lower color palette, making it look muddier. But even then, people might just play it over the GG version because of the better screen resolution alone, it's a bad game overall though.
@@Turbulation1 The guy who made a video detailing the differences between Sonic 1 took a full hour to go through the differences. Sonic 2 has even more downgrades on the SMS, bosses are straight up missing attacks, and music tempos are plain broken causing the Master System tracks to play off key.
Given that Sonic 2 has the same composers as Sonic CD, it really hurts one of the best parts of the game. As does the slower speed of the SMS version on the whole. Pretending there's not a difference, doesn't make it go away.
Origins goes with the versions that are less janky and have better gameplay. Screen crunch as a con is overhated.
You can play the Game Gear versions in full SMS resolution on Kega Fusion though...so one wonders why that isn't an option in Origins.
@@SonicCDspeedrunArchivesYou keep acting like most of the differences between sonic 1 SMS and the GG versions are for the worse in terms of SMS, but I don't see it that way.
All I see are a bunch of changes made to accommodate for the GG's screen resolution by downscaling graphics and altering level design to be fairer, that doesn't make the GG version better than the SMS version, it's just making sonic 1 easier to play on a handheld.
As for Sonic 2 SMS, it does have more noticeable issues between ports, but I think that might be because of two different development branches of Aspect developing both versions, and one had a different difficulty vision in mind than the other. So, the team that developed the SMS version, strived for generally an easier game and so didn't add much complexity to the bosses, while the GG team did.
So, you could probably not interpret them as issues, and more so just genuine differences.
And have you tried playing the SMS ports in NTSC/60 Hz mode? Because that might be why you keep thinking the game is too slow and the music too, because by default the Sonic 2 SMS port runs at PAL speed which is 50Hz or 25/50 FPS (and because it was only released in Europe). If you run it at NTSC speed, it should feel just like the GG version.
Also just boosting the resolution of Sonic 2 GG doesn’t really make it better than SMS in that regard because for one, the HUD will still be in it's original position which is quite distracting, there will be constant screen flickering at the top of the screen, enemies will just pop in because they still only consider the GG's resolution, and often the graphics will mess up around you which is very jarring, and this to me just feels like too much of a nuisance to play with. If they added this option in Origins, it would look really unprofessional and come off as a very desperate move on Sega's part.
the level selection on the museum doesn't count as level selection? or are you asking a level selection inside every game outside the museum?
Amy apparently has a DJ in Superstars as well so they really should've gave her it.
I know this is unlikely to happen, but adding classic Shadow canonically, should definitely give this game a lot more respect and love...
IDK about that level select gripe, chief. Sonic 3&K has it natively through it's save feature, and Sonic 1 and 2 you have to do it the old fashioned way with a cheat code, preserving the authenticity of the games. As for Sonic CD, theres the time trials you can do to get a level select, but only Sonic is playable from what I've fiddled with so that's the only one that kinda sucks.
9:34 They can't use "Sonic Origins Plus is the whole package" as an excuse to not do something like this because the retail version only has regular Origins on the cart with the expansion pack included as a separate download code.
Honestly convinced they didn't do a physical release and omitted Amy and GG games to justify doing a 'Plus' release like with Mania. Whole thing was obviously planned from the beginning. So many small issues and QoL updates they just decided to not address at all. The actual plus content isn't even included on the game disc for god's sake, you have download it separately.
Whole thing was done just so they can say "Here's Amy and GG games in Origins Plus, also buy Superstars which also has Amy as well as Fang from the GG games."
Nice vid Matt
Also
Thoughts on new Frontiers update?
Because damn it literally transformed the game for me
What do you mean with PC finally having a stable CD port? The remake of Sonic CD was ported to PC a long long time ago and it was available through Steam, it's literally the same version from Origins but better, of course it was removed because of Origins
nowadays the cd pc port kinda sucks, especially if you have a monitor above 60hz, if for example you have an 120hz monitor, the game runs at 2x speed. It’s also got that crappy blur on it no matter what screen filter you pick.
Ow, that hits hard, my favorite aspect of Origins Plus is the Game Gear games, i know are not perfect, and i preffer Sonic 1 and Sonic Chaos of Master System, and i preffer Sonic Spinball of Mega Drive, but kinda love that detail :c
Despite this collection being pretty mid without mods, I still would have bought it if it wasn't for the Denuvo DRM still being anchored to this.
Like the games been out for nearly a year, why is Denuvo still here?
Files for Story Mode akin to "Sonic 3 & Knuckles" and "Sonic Mania" would have been amazing. I'm also surprised we only got Amy. I thought they would have added in Metal Sonic as well or Mighty and Ray.
Mighty and Ray wouldn't have made any sense to be in Origins, but Metal would have been a cool addition
@@MetalGearEnthusiast It wouldn’t have had to make sense just like Knuckles being playable in Sonic 1.
If you didn't know, in the time and ranking menu in the Museum, you can select from each act in all four games there to replay it and compete for a better time. It's incredibly unintuitive and odd to get to for no reason, but it's been there since the vanilla release.
@@reubensalter8125 Yeah it is, but it's also unintuitive and odd to get to it.
@@reubensalter8125 Imagine opening up a compilation of games designed for speed running and finding the time-attack function under 'Museum'
I don't know if the trigger for it got fixed but by beating the game with level select exclusive features, even if i restart the system or beat the game normally afterwards, the is a bug i got that the opening doesn't play & it skips to the actual game, only happens in the indivual games however
& It's still there to this day, so it seems as if either it's not fixed or the trigger is fixed but if it's triggered before the patch it stays
& Either they didn't fix the part of if it's already triggered or that part is permanent & they just couldn't fix it
It's kinda permanently game altering but it's not so bad it kills the game it something, heck it might make the game slightly but REALLY not by much
Most of the issues for me are audio based.
- Sonic 3&K has muffled music & poor sound equaliser settings/performance all around.
- The versions of the replacement prototype tracks in Sonic 3&K are by FAR the worst versions ever composed for them.
- Sonic CD sound is too quiet/low volume. (again, also slightly muffled).
- Sonic 2's Hidden Palace Zone doesn't use Track 10 which was clearly going to be the final intended track for this once lost zone. (Infact they've even removed Track 10 from the music sound test option menu. What the hell??)
- Sonic 1 is fairly consistent, but doesn't have the same HQ audio as the mobile version.
All that being said & true, yeah there should be BASIC options like playing with lives/continues but with wide-screen. I could go on.
I feel very passionately about classic Sonic... They massive dropped the ball here & Sonic Origins still currently is NOT the definitive way to play these games.
I haven't got the Plus version yet. I am holding on to hope they will listen to the many outcries from fans & adhere to addressing Origins to how it could & should be. HQ visual definition, HQ & fixed/improved audio across all games, level select, save states, significantly improved options/settings menu etc.
A man can dream...
AMYS HAMMER ATTACK CAN BE MOVED LEFT AND RIGTH WITHOUT LOSING MOMENTUM, SIMILAR TO SPINDASH IN SONIC BOOM FIRE & ICE