Wish I still did. My girl and I used to watch this every weekend at her parents place. We were usually naked by the time "Thieves" started. Good times. God, I feel old! 😂😂😂
Wish they would reissue it on DVD or bluray. I hate digging out the vcr to watch it. Plus, not sure how many more years the vcr will keep working because I really doubt I'm going to replace it. Spending money on vcr's doesn't seem very wise in 2022. Pretty limited benefit.
Ministry - In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up. 480p. FULL CONCERT 1003am 8.6.24 all nice spliced pre recorded noize fest.. no different from the smarmy pop acts of yesteryear - though i not in content...
What a time to be alive. We were on the edge of something. The wave was about to crash. It was dark and there were no road signs...but we were not afraid.
Grew up listening to Ministry, NIN, RevCo, and Front 242 because of my dad... love the guy. I'm 23 now and they're my favorite artists in the world, I even have tattoos dedicated to them. My old man is a cool dude for exposing me to such awesome music at a young age.
That's amazing. I'm probably your dad's age, my kid is around your age. I wish they would get into this stuff! I'm glad you're keeping it alive for the next generation at least.
Same! I got into this music because of both of my parents. I grew up with Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Ministry... And now I'm 19 and a total industrial girlie thanks to them lol!
fuckin A kid...I'm 54 andf when I got pissed off, this was my go-to band to release my frustration without hurting anybody...including myself...you have no idea what this music did for us in the late 80's early 90s....Uncle Al is a genius....he orchestrated all of this with the members of other bands
The double drum battle in BREATHE such a classic Opening , Stigmata Live Version is 10x better than the original one same as So What and The Land of Rape Of Honey such a CULT Live Performance 🤟
You should check out Pigface, another of the collaborative discord bands with rotating members - double drums all over the place, same folks more or less
Totally remember finding this on Napster way back in the day after I had lost my VHS copy and couldn't find another, ever. So I downloaded it, up converted the picture quality to 480p, and had it on a DVD I created with a fade in menu, short clips of the songs on the title screen, and, managed to pull off an amazing Dolby Digital 5.1 version from the VHS tape for the in between talking, and used the CD for the better sound quality. You really couldn't even tell that I split them into separate mixes. Each song had it's own demo as you scrolled over the Titles, the home page was just this songs intro in a 10 min loop, a few choice pics from this show and a Play queue, individual song listing queue and a secret queue to see my name come up to say I made the bootleg DVD... Lol The case had the VHS Cover Pic enhanced and put in the sleeve, the inside was a track listing and Disclaimer that I didn't own any of the materials within and only wanted a good, surround sounding version of this show. Since it was obvious I wasn't ever gonna find my original tape from a show or I ordered it from Al. I was so proud of how well it turned out. No pauses, no fading, audio was rebalanced as well using the DVD burning software I had at the time and I can't think of what it was!? I know I was on PC, so it had to be windows95 or 98. It was the only live music remastering I've ever done, and I had to make copies and give them to my friends it was that good. Of course I didn't charger, I just let them borrow it for an extended period of time. Anyways, sorry I went on a rant, but damn this show was worth all the work I put into it. So What? 😉🍻❤️
No man you are correct my brother. They sound better live then in the studio recordings. I always thought this band sounded better live. I guess some bands are just born with talent that sound awesome live. Hell Yeah! A+++
This is the best live show tape I’ve ever seen. What an amazing live show that must have been. Ministry changed my life. I was a little nihilist at age 11. It was the first music I actually liked.
This is one of the greatest live shows of all time! I finally got to experience them live in 2006 at Bogarts in Cincinnati and it took a month for the ringing to stop lol but I was smiling the whole time 🖕🖕
I went to hear Noam Chomsky give a talk the day after seeing a Ministry show and all I heard for 2 hours was the ringing in my ears and industrial samples from "Thieves", "NWO", etc from the night before.
Amazing! I missed the whole scene. I was old enough, but I was going to Peter Gabriel concerts at the time. Lol. Now that I’m 60, I actually appreciate that whole wax trax scene. When you were at the concert, did you know it was going to be historical? Obviously, you weren’t able to time travel and gain perspective, but it looked like such a wild time you must’ve known it was something special that was happening.
I remember, around this time (late eighties/early nineties), feeling as though something was about to give, not knowing if it would be good or hellish. But it definitely felt like change was on the way. We also knew that nothing we could do would make a blind bit of difference one way or the other. It was a kind of.....decadent nihilism, if such a concept is possible. Nothing changed of course, and we were too shitfaced to notice that things were, in fact, getting _worse._ Damn, but our generation produced some _amazing_ music though. I loved all the different little tribes and subcultures that existed back then too. It was another of our favourite contradictions; we all swore that individuality was a life or death matter, but we all had to belong to our tribe as well. If you wanted to be part of our tribe, Ministry were required listening. I haven't heard some of these songs for a long time now. A lot of memories come flooding back with songs, don't they? Gigs, parties, roadtrips, friends that we lost... Thanks for uploading this dude.💜
Ministry - In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up. 480p. FULL CONCERT 1026am 8.6.24 the east west state of consciousness or the current shift was enacted during the alleged russian coup - refer to Yeltsin et al ...... akin to the north south magnetic pole shift currently being suffered... ahahaha trains of thought, trains of environmental discord.
I took acid to None Inch Nails, Legendary Pink Dots (never again on acid), and a few.others, but never to Ministry! It's time to changes it as I'm nearing 50 :D
@@Andrey.Mihaylin_SGRussia Ну, да. На самом деле, это было мое первое шоу, на котором я когда-либо был, я ходил с отцом. Сборка Front Line и Гэри Нуман открылись для них, и когда они выйдили на сцену, они полностью разорвали ее. Это было потрясающе, даже если они чертовски старые, это все равно было отличное шоу.
YES! The full video with the Warner Reprise logo opening. Always had nostalgia for that one part because of how upbeat it sounded and what comes right after is chaos ha ha
This tour affected the culture in my youth that forever impacted my realistic outlook on life on this planet at this time. Thanks for coming to Cleveland when you did, guys. I appreciate that seed.
Концертники RevCo 1988 и Ministry 1990 одни из моих любимых.Это настоящее безумие.Звучат даже лучше чем студийки.Сам концертники не особо люблю, но те дико запали в душу.
Ok, now that I’ve finished experiencing something on my default pocket computer created for the VHS world…it seems dated. Which is good. We survived to this point. We were not expected to. 🤘
I was born in 89' and this is one of those concerts I really think you had to be there to really get. I've consumed so much music over the years but this concerts has that completely insane mental energy with probably the best band lineup Ministry ever had, at their very peak.
Ministry - In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up. 480p. FULL CONCERT 1010am 8.6.24 did they used to kill people at their concerts? good times. the bullshit after the fact - spouted by snipers' dreams and old slags is what taints the era. ministry do motorhead would have been cool.
My dad had this concert on VHS when I was a teen, I remember watching this with my friends and loving the dwo drummers I was given this in 1993 when I moved our, and happy to say I still have it, but I don't have a VCR, so thank you for sharing it!!
@@MrAmc1291 There's no way they could equal the energy and insanity of this show. We tore out the seats in celebrity circle (front three rows). Some poor fool climbed tot he top of the fence and dove into the crowd. Everyone moved.
Long live the Holiday Star Theater in Merrillville, Indiana! It was a royal and monumental fuck-up by destroying it in 2018. To this day, it's still a vacant lot.
So What! I really love the samples from Ed Wood's "The Violent Years"! I'm a big MSTie and it's one of my favorite experiments/episodes. Plus Ed Wood is protrayed by Johnny Depp!!! "Pull the strink" - Bela Legusi
Pretty much the greatest thing ever recorded. The Live Necronomicon release has extra songs and also tells you that it was a 48 track live recording with 24 just for the drums and 3 for the audience. No wonder it's good.
@@td315 My guess is there were copyright clearance issues due to the guest musicians and different labels. No doubt the whole show was recorded but I've never seen video of the other songs (Pailhead etc)
A fucking unique band ministry are....they have done a few duffers here and there.....but on the whole they are fucking special and the music world should appreciate them, ah...bollocks to the music "world"!!! Al w 12:03 walks his own path!@
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I’ve seen Ministry live and it was undoubtedly one of the best shows I’ve ever been to!
I still have my VHS of this performance. Changed my life it did.
Wish I still did. My girl and I used to watch this every weekend at her parents place. We were usually naked by the time "Thieves" started. Good times.
God, I feel old! 😂😂😂
Same!
Same here.
Wish they would reissue it on DVD or bluray. I hate digging out the vcr to watch it. Plus, not sure how many more years the vcr will keep working because I really doubt I'm going to replace it. Spending money on vcr's doesn't seem very wise in 2022. Pretty limited benefit.
I threw up after I saw it for the first time… I don’t know exactly why, but yeah. So what!!!
Love how Ministry brought Punks Metalheads and Goths together
no names, then
Ministry - In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up. 480p. FULL CONCERT 1003am 8.6.24 all nice spliced pre recorded noize fest.. no different from the smarmy pop acts of yesteryear - though i not in content...
@@JJONNYREPP ministry had powerful forward/changing energy until they shilled for political party (killary)
Unique 🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉
@@JJONNYREPPhuh what?
What a time to be alive. We were on the edge of something. The wave was about to crash. It was dark and there were no road signs...but we were not afraid.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
What you talking bout Willis
Apparently you WERE afraid…what has changed? In fact, things seem much WORSE now that your generation has power.
@@friendlyfirefighter4645 So what's your generation? Soy? SJW? Virtue signaling? Tell us.....
@@glenbellefonte9620 lol you're on a Ministry video, don't listen to their lyrics you may not like it.
That tour was a epic moment in music history
Grew up listening to Ministry, NIN, RevCo, and Front 242 because of my dad... love the guy. I'm 23 now and they're my favorite artists in the world, I even have tattoos dedicated to them. My old man is a cool dude for exposing me to such awesome music at a young age.
That's amazing. I'm probably your dad's age, my kid is around your age. I wish they would get into this stuff! I'm glad you're keeping it alive for the next generation at least.
Same! I got into this music because of both of my parents. I grew up with Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Ministry... And now I'm 19 and a total industrial girlie thanks to them lol!
fuckin A kid...I'm 54 andf when I got pissed off, this was my go-to band to release my frustration without hurting anybody...including myself...you have no idea what this music did for us in the late 80's early 90s....Uncle Al is a genius....he orchestrated all of this with the members of other bands
I still think of Front 242 when ever I see the time 2:42.. I was at this show. Holy ****. My friends still talk about it.
No skinny puppy?
Nub
Track List
0:25 Breathe
8:26 The Missing
11:50 Deity
15:30 So What?
27:15 Burning Inside
33:35 Thieves
38:45 Stigmata
48:55 Jello Biafra Speak
51:40 The Land Of Rape And Honey
57:26 Credits
😊
thank you for the time breaks
The double drum battle in BREATHE such a classic Opening , Stigmata Live Version is 10x better than the original one same as So What and The Land of Rape Of Honey such a CULT Live Performance 🤟
I'm beyond words on the double drum setup! It so clearly tells Ministry apart from "metals bands.
Had anyone else pulled that double drummer thing?
Agree on all counts!!!
@@LMB222 I only know of a couple of bands that are not Industrial or metal but that’s it.
You should check out Pigface, another of the collaborative discord bands with rotating members - double drums all over the place, same folks more or less
@@kilozap yes! bushmaster
I saw this tour in Boston. Absolute mindfuck. 30+ years later and I still remember the energy and madness.
I still have hearing loss from seeing nirvana at UB in 93
Worth it
RIP Bill
Descanse En Paz (D.E.P.) 👍🏻❤️
I got evicted playing this tape. I refused to turn it down. Lol
The BEST Live show out there PERIOD!!! This Early Ministry INDEED changed my life!!!
Seen a lot of circle pits, but I've never seen a circle pit around a bonfire until Ministry at Lollapalooza '92. 🤘🤘
Yep, Massachusetts GreatWoods show we damn near wrecked the place
Totally remember finding this on Napster way back in the day after I had lost my VHS copy and couldn't find another, ever. So I downloaded it, up converted the picture quality to 480p, and had it on a DVD I created with a fade in menu, short clips of the songs on the title screen, and, managed to pull off an amazing Dolby Digital 5.1 version from the VHS tape for the in between talking, and used the CD for the better sound quality. You really couldn't even tell that I split them into separate mixes. Each song had it's own demo as you scrolled over the Titles, the home page was just this songs intro in a 10 min loop, a few choice pics from this show and a Play queue, individual song listing queue and a secret queue to see my name come up to say I made the bootleg DVD... Lol The case had the VHS Cover Pic enhanced and put in the sleeve, the inside was a track listing and Disclaimer that I didn't own any of the materials within and only wanted a good, surround sounding version of this show. Since it was obvious I wasn't ever gonna find my original tape from a show or I ordered it from Al. I was so proud of how well it turned out. No pauses, no fading, audio was rebalanced as well using the DVD burning software I had at the time and I can't think of what it was!? I know I was on PC, so it had to be windows95 or 98. It was the only live music remastering I've ever done, and I had to make copies and give them to my friends it was that good. Of course I didn't charger, I just let them borrow it for an extended period of time. Anyways, sorry I went on a rant, but damn this show was worth all the work I put into it. So What? 😉🍻❤️
Probably the best name for a live record ever.
It's kinda crazy how much better this is than the studio versions of the same songs... am I wrong?
Not wrong. Dope af.
No man you are correct my brother. They sound better live then in the studio recordings. I always thought this band sounded better live. I guess some bands are just born with talent that sound awesome live. Hell Yeah! A+++
Not just a little bit better, 100% better live. This is insanely good.
Absolutely, way better! I've always thought that, and when I play the originals, it just feels watered down.
There is a palpable energy in the live recording that is missing in the studio versions. This is a must have album
This is the best live show tape I’ve ever seen. What an amazing live show that must have been. Ministry changed my life. I was a little nihilist at age 11. It was the first music I actually liked.
I was at this show in Merrillville. Had no idea how intense it was.
This is one of the greatest live shows of all time! I finally got to experience them live in 2006 at Bogarts in Cincinnati and it took a month for the ringing to stop lol but I was smiling the whole time 🖕🖕
I was at that show!
@@StationaryRocketFlipChampion I was at the Merrillville show.
My first concert ever. Hearing damage to this day.
I went to hear Noam Chomsky give a talk the day after seeing a Ministry show and all I heard for 2 hours was the ringing in my ears and industrial samples from "Thieves", "NWO", etc from the night before.
Amazing! I missed the whole scene. I was old enough, but I was going to Peter Gabriel concerts at the time. Lol.
Now that I’m 60, I actually appreciate that whole wax trax scene. When you were at the concert, did you know it was going to be historical? Obviously, you weren’t able to time travel and gain perspective, but it looked like such a wild time you must’ve known it was something special that was happening.
@@Dot1Nicholas
I'm still addicted to So WHAT til I'm 17. I can play it all day. I'm 49 now.
Nirvana UB in 93
Ears rang for days
Worth it
The perfect audio/visual presentation of this groundbreaking, brilliant band at their absolute creative zenith
ABSOLUTE BANGER. dear God I never thought I would here this again minus the damn cassette that I used to own in the 90s. Thank you.
This version of So What is the best ever! Nothing can top it!
I'm pretty sure it's on spotify
I remember, around this time (late eighties/early nineties), feeling as though something was about to give, not knowing if it would be good or hellish. But it definitely felt like change was on the way. We also knew that nothing we could do would make a blind bit of difference one way or the other. It was a kind of.....decadent nihilism, if such a concept is possible. Nothing changed of course, and we were too shitfaced to notice that things were, in fact, getting _worse._
Damn, but our generation produced some _amazing_ music though. I loved all the different little tribes and subcultures that existed back then too. It was another of our favourite contradictions; we all swore that individuality was a life or death matter, but we all had to belong to our tribe as well. If you wanted to be part of our tribe, Ministry were required listening.
I haven't heard some of these songs for a long time now. A lot of memories come flooding back with songs, don't they? Gigs, parties, roadtrips, friends that we lost...
Thanks for uploading this dude.💜
Ministry - In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up. 480p. FULL CONCERT 1026am 8.6.24 the east west state of consciousness or the current shift was enacted during the alleged russian coup - refer to Yeltsin et al ...... akin to the north south magnetic pole shift currently being suffered... ahahaha trains of thought, trains of environmental discord.
Late 80's/Early 90's best time in American music!!!
Should be considered one of the best live documentary concerts ever. I was 16 and it changed the music landscape for me. Thanks
Me and my ministry casette tape had alot of beers buds and LSD together back in the day
I took acid to None Inch Nails, Legendary Pink Dots (never again on acid), and a few.others, but never to Ministry! It's time to changes it as I'm nearing 50 :D
I must try Throbbing Gristle and, for some humour, Alien Sex Fiend :D
I love this concert. Just brilliant.
Saw them this year and it was by far the loudest concert I’ve been too
How was it? I saw them at Roseland ballroom back in 96. One of the best shows I've ever been to.
They need to release this on DVD and Blu Ray, I saw em live recently and they were amazing, but this is probably my favorite live they did.
Ты уверен, что сейчас, в 2024 эти ходячие мешки с костями и дерьмом выглядят потрясающими?
@@Andrey.Mihaylin_SGRussia Ну, да. На самом деле, это было мое первое шоу, на котором я когда-либо был, я ходил с отцом. Сборка Front Line и Гэри Нуман открылись для них, и когда они выйдили на сцену, они полностью разорвали ее. Это было потрясающе, даже если они чертовски старые, это все равно было отличное шоу.
YES! The full video with the Warner Reprise logo opening. Always had nostalgia for that one part because of how upbeat it sounded and what comes right after is chaos ha ha
That drum intro is literally the best thing I’ve ever seen. I’ve been watching this on and off for over 30 years and it still blows me away.
Best fucking live show I have ever seen.
Still best ever in our gen x history
This tour affected the culture in my youth that forever impacted my realistic outlook on life on this planet at this time. Thanks for coming to Cleveland when you did, guys. I appreciate that seed.
Концертники RevCo 1988 и Ministry 1990 одни из моих любимых.Это настоящее безумие.Звучат даже лучше чем студийки.Сам концертники не особо люблю, но те дико запали в душу.
кроме этого, они стоят того, чтобы отдельно просто слушать и отдельно просто смотреть на этот экшн без звука!))
Ok, now that I’ve finished experiencing something on my default pocket computer created for the VHS world…it seems dated. Which is good. We survived to this point. We were not expected to. 🤘
I mean, can you recall, even a decade later, seeing a post-political rant as a Segway for the encore ?
3 times I see them, crazy tripping mosh pits, insanely loud, lord of the flies style bonfires, all in 1992...
Saw this show in Cleveland in 1989,survived it is more appropriate.
What a band, what awsome memorys. My ears rang for a week.
That's my friend Dave with the mohawk slam dancing during the crescendo of "So What?"
I was born in 89' and this is one of those concerts I really think you had to be there to really get. I've consumed so much music over the years but this concerts has that completely insane mental energy with probably the best band lineup Ministry ever had, at their very peak.
If you want to learn how it was behind the scenes buy the book by Chris Connelly, Bulletproof, Fried, etc My Life As a Revolting Cock.
Ministry - In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up. 480p. FULL CONCERT 1010am 8.6.24 did they used to kill people at their concerts? good times. the bullshit after the fact - spouted by snipers' dreams and old slags is what taints the era. ministry do motorhead would have been cool.
Wish I could’ve been there, damn!!!
Fkn Legendary Performance!!
martin atkins was channeling animal from the muppet show here for sure.
No google ads during this? Good.
My dad had this concert on VHS when I was a teen, I remember watching this with my friends and loving the dwo drummers
I was given this in 1993 when I moved our, and happy to say I still have it, but I don't have a VCR, so thank you for sharing it!!
young buck it is obvious your pops is awesome!
I remember buying this on vhs along with Skinny Puppys It Aint Dead Yet, my life was never the same, monumental shift in life and thankful for it
1996, Phoenix AZ, Hollywood Video after close- we'd put this on, and do what we called "Moshpit Returns".
literally one of my all time fav videos/concert. Always watch when I need a pump up. it's GOES SO HARD
po 30 latach dalej zarąbiste :)
Miałem VHS, obejrzany ze 100 razy a i tak wciąż mam dreszcze ;)
tez mialem VHS komus pozyczylem i zaginol
The intro always gets me. It's not on the CD And I lost a VHS years ago. Thank you for bringing this back
Ive seen NiN 5 Times, Manson 4 Times, My only regret is never seeing Ministry live .
They’re on tour with Gary Numan right now. You still have a chance.
@@MrAmc1291 There's no way they could equal the energy and insanity of this show. We tore out the seats in celebrity circle (front three rows). Some poor fool climbed tot he top of the fence and dove into the crowd. Everyone moved.
They are one of the best parts of my life.
This is Life
The double drum 🤟
Чумовой зальник. А сколько воспоминаний с ним связано.
Соглы
This is it right here man!
Saw this live with a head full of acid! Good times!
Boy oh boy did I rip high speed GS ski turns to this many a day. Killer!
What skis?
I have seen Ministry multiple times and every time the crowd as been insane. There is nowhere to hide when they play.
This is one my favorite concert films. I watch the video or listen to soundtrack several times a year.
Damn Jello, another prophetic rant come true.
PAUL BARKER TOTAL STUD BASS PLAYER!!!
Martyn Atkins: Top shelf drummage
wow
Amazing
Awesome!!!! Wore this VHS tape out back in the day…
Seeing Ministry tomorrow in Montréal at MTelus. Maaaaaan I cannot waiiitttttt.
I want that farking HAT
This one is better than the other uploads available. THANK YOU!!!
Not at all. Enjoy
This a time machine concert list, if I could go back a feel this live. OMG totally forgot this was a thing. Absolutely love it!
Ministry...🥰🥰🥰
1990-----=========== 2024 -------------------3000
My youth was this everyday in grade 5-7
Long live the Holiday Star Theater in Merrillville, Indiana! It was a royal and monumental fuck-up by destroying it in 2018. To this day, it's still a vacant lot.
Thanks for uploading this. Brings back memories
HEAVYYY... Pigface drum vibes from the get
go
marty atkins
Burning Inside
Burning Inside
Side effects:
Euphoria
Side effects:
Euphoria
My God...I...I always thought that the lyrics were - "sound effects". The brain....
@@sebbityseb you pure, innocent child ;)
Thank you.
THANKS 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
So What! I really love the samples from Ed Wood's "The Violent Years"! I'm a big MSTie and it's one of my favorite experiments/episodes. Plus Ed Wood is protrayed by Johnny Depp!!!
"Pull the strink"
- Bela Legusi
I absolutely "musically orgasm" to this era of Ministry, Rev Co. Nothing else like it.....❤
I really hope this video could be remastered/upscaled. Real shame we can only get potato camera quality
I don't know. The grain on it and low resolution makes it a document from the time.
I've seen a LaserDisc rip of the tape and its even better than what you think.
Andrei, thank you so much for this one!
ю а вэлкам
1989.12.31 + 1990.2.22
Art piece
Вхс с этим видео была затёрта до дыр в 90х. Это любовь на всю жизнь
красава, старый хардкорщиик!
All Hail Uncle Al!
F#*k Yeah!
hell yeah
Resurrection, coming in stereo, if you say so, if you say so. Fucking epic. So What.
Thank you!
Best ministry ever.🤘🏻🎱🤘🏻
And to the REPUBLIC by Plato for which it stands 49:07
Eu tinha o VHS desse show kkk pra mim, o melhor show de todos
Isso é verdade!
Tem o Sphinctour de 96 que é coisa de louco também KKKK, muito bom.
A capa do VHS é bem mórbida não é
@@todessehnsucht sinistro, pra época muito bem feita
🗣👏UNA BELLEZA
Не знаю, что это, но поддерживаю!
Best shit ever!
Awes
Pretty much the greatest thing ever recorded. The Live Necronomicon release has extra songs and also tells you that it was a 48 track live recording with 24 just for the drums and 3 for the audience. No wonder it's good.
Is there any video for that version I only found audio?
@@td315 My guess is there were copyright clearance issues due to the guest musicians and different labels. No doubt the whole show was recorded but I've never seen video of the other songs (Pailhead etc)
@@Orkwort ok, that makes sense. Thanks
Thieves and liars sounds exactly the same as the studio version. Am I buggin?
A fucking unique band ministry are....they have done a few duffers here and there.....but on the whole they are fucking special and the music world should appreciate them, ah...bollocks to the music "world"!!! Al w 12:03 walks his own path!@