Why doesn't Lilith release epics that maintain a purpose? We need more gatherers and peacekeepers with march speeds and heals. Not a third epic inf garrison that is irrelevant.
I would agree that gathering commanders have nice alternate value even after epics ultimately become irrelevant. I think they want new players to have a better city defense option, which is why they made this commander.
Maybe now they have a purpose considering now SoC begins in kvk3, so many f2p people won't realistically invest in legendary commanders so early, except for ysg and MAYBE 5111 Richard, and anything else is just wrong...
might just be me but I always wished epic commanders would have a special synergy with legendary commanders to incentivize people to use both, like if you paired tsun tzu with zhuge liang your march gets a buff that makes it very competitive or something its only because the epic commanders look pretty cool and its just a bit of a waste to have them on the bench forever
I main Belisarius, with Scipio (Epic) as lieutenant. I’ve found him really good as basically a “policeman” of sorts, i.e., I often become the warlord of whatever alliance I’m in, if ever anyone gives us trouble, I attack them on an open field, or chase them right back to their castle. So far it’s worked really well
Great to see you review all epics, even though I use none for fighting. F2p and new players will get much use out of this. Oh and we also need a swarming tier list😁
One thing you kinda fail to do, Chisgule, is explore the synergies a bit further than what you did. For example, depending on troop type and skills, you may not always want to put archer commanders together, or infantry commanders together, etc. Of course this depends on what one gets, and when, too. But in early canyon, one's mixing and matching, one should consider other factors besides type.
True, and considering that you can combine a type of troop commander with a integration or peacekeeper commander is powerful since integration or peacekeepers are good at all the classes of troops.
Your both wrong putting infa with infa and archer with archer is always better you probably just have lower tech on infa archer etc while you mix them with your stronger tech
Belisarius is S tier imo. In SoC, I’m still using him to chase down Beli farm killers. Some of the most fun I’ve had in RoK is mischief with Belisarius. Get the right gear on him, the triple line formation and march speed armaments and he has demonic speed, no SoC commander can outrun him. He was bred for speed. Beli = S tier.
Thanks for this list! I started with Vikings and collecting every epic, so now I know what epics I should expertise out of which I have. I will expertise these Baibars Imhotep Bjorn Ironside Korea and Japanese guy
Lohar and new commander because you heal and shield more so with expertise this with t4 infinite chains 1-23 with Charles Martel in support but probably works better with the new commander because of enhanced healing.
If you are looking for damaging commanders, Boudicca and Eulji Mundeok is overpowered, considering it can go up to 4,500 damage! Since if you expertise Boudicca, she goes up to 1,000 damage, then the 150% boost although it’s rare, it is powerful, 3,000 damage. Eulji Mundeok goes up to 1,500 damage. That the team you should use for powerful damage. Also the other skills add defense, offense, health and other stuff. So that is a very strong team. Let me know some good commander pairs!
A lot of people just entering kvk3, and wanna prepare for soc, many of us hoarding 1500+ gh, but we dont know where to invest, would be nice to make a video for us
Hey chisgule, I love your videos, I am 50 days into a kingdom and have little over 6 million power, I was wondering if I should main infantry or cavalry… I haven’t been able to get a good answer from anyone so far so a reply would mean a lot. I am willing to spend around $100 a month. Thanks and great video!
As someone who played the game for over 3 years, don’t waste your money😅 this game if you really get into it, it will take money or a lot of time if not both 😅
Could you put Imhotep behind Aethel in canyon? or probably not because then Aethel is not getting the damage debuff on her skill because she hits first
I have a couple questions first question is should I get moctezuma and expertise because I need a good rally march for barbs and he did perform a little better than Mina and I’m a f2p so I can’t get Mina? My second question is should I unlock ysg or Alex because I don’t know what to use them for if I won’t expertise them since I’m hoarding sculps for soc commanders? My last question is how do I get heraclius because I don’t know if he is in wheel or mge and can you recommend him to a f2p player as well as a couple other garrison leaders like dido,yss,Jan zizka?
1. Just use aethel/5111cc 2. If you are grinding barbs at least 7 hours a day then you need YSG but I assume you dont so NO Alex and YSG. 3. Forget city garrison, just bubble up or teleport before going offline. Your city wont survive a whole kingdom swarming you if youre offline anyways even if your garrison is the best in the game.
i want to ask something coz i just started this game. should i focus on few commanders or equally level them? i have sun tzu, constance, tomoe, and sarka, markswoman, lohar. i kind of regret not going for tomoe in archery(i didn't know markswoman is a low tier commander), i have constance in gathering, sun tzu in inf, and lohar in peacekeeping. what do u think guys? im going leveling to 8 now. give me some tips🥺
Only if you position them correctly there. Otherwise, they fail spectacularly. I know, facing a guy in that special sunset tournament on my own restart account. He had more powerful commanders, and a siege march. But he put Scipio behind Matilda in his siege march, and positioned them wrong. The fight was fairly close, but I advanced, not him.
That's not completely true... Sun Tzu/Kusunoki is the strongest first garrison possible. Pericles/Sun Tzu is another option if your city is very Infantry heavy. Edit: Google seems to autocorrect and cut parts of my sentence when I use talk to text.
@@sharingan1490 The video was specifically about pvp usage. Having some angry noob try to wreck your city (or farm) in the home kingdom is a big part of that. Additionally, we're discussing epic commanders. If you struggle to expert 4 epics I'm afraid you're not very good at this game.
@@john2g1 yeah...you are partly right...however any whales can wreck your city regardless of how good your garrison commanders are....so in the end, it's better to focus on open field commanders rather than garrison commanders.....if you don't get that , i guess u r the one not good at this game...
Hi i choosed german and im f2p should i improve herman and improve and improve imhotep behind him or kusunoki.I want to play archer as a f2p please someone answer
i ran mina/pela until i maxed ysg on his first wheel idk how this guy can rank pelagius C, when his as good as a 5511 caocao. Which btw saves you tons of money from buying his daily bundles. This guy just want lilith to earn money.
@@Chisgule You still benefit from that rage a lot. Mina with expertise has the highest damage factor in the game for kvk 1. It's definitly not lost plus the heal from pela will really keep your march alive if you pilot it well. And you shouldn't be running more than 2 marchs so it's quite easy to do. Early game unless you're a whale, you get your kills from doing single target and hitting the lowest target to the GROUND, definitly not with aoe on healthy marchs. Then of course mina/ysg is better but pela is definitly mina best epic pair.
I mean technically Frederick does the most with 2.4K while mina average 2.3K but mina is just a better rally with ysg. so no reason to touch frederick for anyone.
Chisgule: Bjorn is great he has 10% chance to deal skill damage (800) and he is A tier Then: Kusunoki is B tier because he has no march speed!!!! Bjorn has no march speed too! Bjorn has garbage single target damage! Kusunoki has more aoe damage and his 10% chance damage is more than bjorn!!!!! Bjorn stats are 20% and Kusunoki has 30% stats!!! Your comparison is completely wrong
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Which epic commander do you think is the strongest? Drop a comment! discord.gg/chisgule
Please make video on talent trees of epic commanders
The strongest? Depends on how you use them. I will say Kusunoki is under rated in canyon mode. 🙂
Herman expertised😊❤
Herman and YSG are amazing, deadly when I discovered
Sun Tzu is the strongest, aoe with no damage reduction on the number of targets he hits, rage regen, tankiness + skill damage increase
Why doesn't Lilith release epics that maintain a purpose? We need more gatherers and peacekeepers with march speeds and heals. Not a third epic inf garrison that is irrelevant.
I would agree that gathering commanders have nice alternate value even after epics ultimately become irrelevant. I think they want new players to have a better city defense option, which is why they made this commander.
@@Chisgule HQ will give my barbing marches some more speed and sustain as a secondary. So at least that's exciting. 😂
Specially in Kvk when you have 7 marches and have to gather more at the end of Kvk
Because….money
Maybe now they have a purpose considering now SoC begins in kvk3, so many f2p people won't realistically invest in legendary commanders so early, except for ysg and MAYBE 5111 Richard, and anything else is just wrong...
might just be me but I always wished epic commanders would have a special synergy with legendary commanders to incentivize people to use both, like if you paired tsun tzu with zhuge liang your march gets a buff that makes it very competitive or something
its only because the epic commanders look pretty cool and its just a bit of a waste to have them on the bench forever
Same, like why do legendaries get that stuff, they are already powerful. I think they should add bonuses to other rarities.
What of you pair like duo from save civs or even those who interacted with each other historically
for f2p
1. bjorn sun tzu
2. peacekeeping commanders(for marauders)
3. gathering commanders
I main Belisarius, with Scipio (Epic) as lieutenant. I’ve found him really good as basically a “policeman” of sorts, i.e., I often become the warlord of whatever alliance I’m in, if ever anyone gives us trouble, I attack them on an open field, or chase them right back to their castle. So far it’s worked really well
Great to see you review all epics, even though I use none for fighting. F2p and new players will get much use out of this. Oh and we also need a swarming tier list😁
(Huo/Nevsky) will be number one in swarming rallies (not Structures).
One thing you kinda fail to do, Chisgule, is explore the synergies a bit further than what you did. For example, depending on troop type and skills, you may not always want to put archer commanders together, or infantry commanders together, etc. Of course this depends on what one gets, and when, too. But in early canyon, one's mixing and matching, one should consider other factors besides type.
True, and considering that you can combine a type of troop commander with a integration or peacekeeper commander is powerful since integration or peacekeepers are good at all the classes of troops.
Your both wrong putting infa with infa and archer with archer is always better you probably just have lower tech on infa archer etc while you mix them with your stronger tech
It also depends on your commander lvl and equipment of your main
Belisarius is S tier imo. In SoC, I’m still using him to chase down Beli farm killers. Some of the most fun I’ve had in RoK is mischief with Belisarius. Get the right gear on him, the triple line formation and march speed armaments and he has demonic speed, no SoC commander can outrun him. He was bred for speed. Beli = S tier.
finally another beli fan
Thanks for this list! I started with Vikings and collecting every epic, so now I know what epics I should expertise out of which I have.
I will expertise these
Baibars
Imhotep
Bjorn Ironside
Korea and Japanese guy
Thank you. As a new player Im having trouble finding recent tier lists so I know which commanders to prioritize. Continue the good content
I love Inotep with El Cid as secondary. He just buffs the secondary skill attack and normal attack.
I would love an epic infantry peacekeeper. We need a place to put lower tier infantry talent gear after we start upgrading the green and blue crap.
Can you do next video about best commanders about barb chaining and good places about it? Thanks ❤
Good idea
I agree with this
Lohar and new commander because you heal and shield more so with expertise this with t4 infinite chains 1-23 with Charles Martel in support but probably works better with the new commander because of enhanced healing.
I think it is worth it because I would not want to spend sculptures on a legendary commander for barbs when there are epics which are cheaper
@@MilitaryMacaw u good bro they both have 0 AoE
Do you have this epic tier list for garrisoning your city until you get the legendary. We do have to wait nearly so year for season 3 kvk.
If you are looking for damaging commanders, Boudicca and Eulji Mundeok is overpowered, considering it can go up to 4,500 damage! Since if you expertise Boudicca, she goes up to 1,000 damage, then the 150% boost although it’s rare, it is powerful, 3,000 damage. Eulji Mundeok goes up to 1,500 damage. That the team you should use for powerful damage. Also the other skills add defense, offense, health and other stuff. So that is a very strong team. Let me know some good commander pairs!
the chance of those happening together is 0,2%
@@Brasidas.the.Spartan Some what true, but I’m just saying it is possible although unlikely.
Awesome video chisgule!
If the epics are either peacekeeping and gathering that is a blessing for all .If other stuff believe me it's useless RIP
Except sun tzu right?
@@Aiyapmaster yup
A lot of people just entering kvk3, and wanna prepare for soc, many of us hoarding 1500+ gh, but we dont know where to invest, would be nice to make a video for us
Lilith needs to allow kiera to skip up with unis. That could help archers out early. Absolutely stupid that you can’t at this stage in the game.
Hey chisgule, I love your videos, I am 50 days into a kingdom and have little over 6 million power, I was wondering if I should main infantry or cavalry… I haven’t been able to get a good answer from anyone so far so a reply would mean a lot. I am willing to spend around $100 a month. Thanks and great video!
I’ve been playing over a year now and I would say main cavs as you have so much options to use and more value from them then inf
As someone who played the game for over 3 years, don’t waste your money😅 this game if you really get into it, it will take money or a lot of time if not both 😅
Hi chisgule, i have only nevsky maxed, about this, is better huo/nevsky or nevsky/joan?
Awesome breakdown chisgule brother!
Sorry man, but for you is better upgrade sun Tzu (4 stars lv30 and all abilities) or starting with barbaris ( 1star lv2 and 1 abilities) ?
I was literally looking for a new epic and this popped up 😂
That's an offense to my Pelagius
it is pretty weird there are now too many support tree commanders being release today
What would you think about these pairs, Bjorn + Sun Tzu, Baibars + Beli, Joan + Osman, Aethel + Kusunoki, Thutmos + Hermann?
Imhotep seems defent since 30% damage buff will effect ysgs skill damage right?
Could you put Imhotep behind Aethel in canyon? or probably not because then Aethel is not getting the damage debuff on her skill because she hits first
Yeah I think you could do that, although leadership gear is a rough invest
I mean by the time you’re investing in legendary leadership equipment you’re not going to be using Imhotep anyways, but I hear what you’re saying
I'm a f2p player,so epic commanders will always be useful to me. But cool video
I have a couple questions first question is should I get moctezuma and expertise because I need a good rally march for barbs and he did perform a little better than Mina and I’m a f2p so I can’t get Mina? My second question is should I unlock ysg or Alex because I don’t know what to use them for if I won’t expertise them since I’m hoarding sculps for soc commanders? My last question is how do I get heraclius because I don’t know if he is in wheel or mge and can you recommend him to a f2p player as well as a couple other garrison leaders like dido,yss,Jan zizka?
1. Ignore Moctezuma. 2.dont unlock them if you dont need them. 3. As a F2P you shoudnt be a garrison captain because you wont max tech.
@@x0fistxx729I’m not talking about Harrison captain I’m talking about city defense
1. Just use aethel/5111cc
2. If you are grinding barbs at least 7 hours a day then you need YSG but I assume you dont so NO Alex and YSG.
3. Forget city garrison, just bubble up or teleport before going offline. Your city wont survive a whole kingdom swarming you if youre offline anyways even if your garrison is the best in the game.
You forgot about attacking cities
I have a question, for f2p it's better to save the gh for soc commander or I have to invest gh on Charles martel to defend city making him 5511?
i want to ask something coz i just started this game. should i focus on few commanders or equally level them? i have sun tzu, constance, tomoe, and sarka, markswoman, lohar. i kind of regret not going for tomoe in archery(i didn't know markswoman is a low tier commander), i have constance in gathering, sun tzu in inf, and lohar in peacekeeping. what do u think guys? im going leveling to 8 now. give me some tips🥺
Cant u pair Kusunoki with Imhotep in Canyon maybe ?
matilda should be on S or A tier for canyon... joan and matilda combo do the work in canyon
Only if you position them correctly there. Otherwise, they fail spectacularly. I know, facing a guy in that special sunset tournament on my own restart account. He had more powerful commanders, and a siege march. But he put Scipio behind Matilda in his siege march, and positioned them wrong. The fight was fairly close, but I advanced, not him.
Love it thanks you Are helping me very much😆
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Pelagius is underrated in my opinion
It is the best of cav in 1 vs 1
Another useful Video
can you do next video with legendary commanders?
well as a f2p playar im still using epic comms in SOC putting them as 2ndary
Sun tzu, Joan , and bjorn that’s it. Besides Later you can just max all of them
Yeah...bjorn is underated af...
That's not completely true...
Sun Tzu/Kusunoki is the strongest first garrison possible. Pericles/Sun Tzu is another option if your city is very Infantry heavy.
Edit: Google seems to autocorrect and cut parts of my sentence when I use talk to text.
@@john2g1 lmao...we are not talking about garrisoning here...and besides u should prioritise on open field commander...unless you are a whale...
@@sharingan1490 The video was specifically about pvp usage. Having some angry noob try to wreck your city (or farm) in the home kingdom is a big part of that.
Additionally, we're discussing epic commanders. If you struggle to expert 4 epics I'm afraid you're not very good at this game.
@@john2g1 yeah...you are partly right...however any whales can wreck your city regardless of how good your garrison commanders are....so in the end, it's better to focus on open field commanders rather than garrison commanders.....if you don't get that , i guess u r the one not good at this game...
After kvk 1 they are pretty much useless unless they are gathering commanders
chisgule your guides are great i got my jumper acount before jumper on day 3 power(200k)
apricate u
still apply for 2024?
No new epics have been released since making this vid, so should all still be relevant
@@ChisguleCan you still use them for kvk 3?
Hi i choosed german and im f2p should i improve herman and improve and improve imhotep behind him or kusunoki.I want to play archer as a f2p please someone answer
I know it’s off-topic but what’s the best combo. HQ/Joan P or Nevsky/Joan P?
If you want single target damage (HQ/Nevsky) and will be so good in counter rally, and rally swarming March.
@@DDKKAY I just want the best Cav open field march
Pelagius is rated to low. 900 damage factor, rage gen, 30% stats(most epics have 20%) and healing.
Have you actually tried him though? For me he never worked tbh
he’s a cav commander and he is slow...idk he lacks dmg also
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Why are some resources being cut off after collecting resources
such a great video it crazy sun tzu it still the most powerful he technically has a 1k aoe 800 and 200 additional skill damage
When are you gonna open those Gold keys Chisgule?
imothep beind aethelflead is good for canyon, and a way for u to use archer gear early on
I believe Bjorn is nerfed now to not do AOE, and some other nerfs too. Can someone confirm?
Pericles + Richard is good. 😅😅😅 I've tried it.
What app is that list?
Lohar at d for everything 😂😂😂 bro now I regret expertising him 😔☹️
He's worth expertising to power level your other commanders, but definitely NOT worth putting universal sculptures into him.
Richard Joan in sunset is great
sun tsu prime coming.
Scripo. Is good he very tanky and good taking over citys and open feild
Im a horse clan, i main only cavalry commanders.
hey guys i am looking for a kingdom in SOC to migrate to. Any kingdom looking?
why jumong is not in rise of kingdom
Sun tzu 🔛🔝
What's better Bjorn or herman?
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hey uh dont buly me but i got lancelot when my ch was 16:)
i ran mina/pela until i maxed ysg on his first wheel idk how this guy can rank pelagius C, when his as good as a 5511 caocao. Which btw saves you tons of money from buying his daily bundles. This guy just want lilith to earn money.
Mina pela has over-rage from rejuvenate talents. You’re not getting as much value as you think 🧐
@@Chisgule You still benefit from that rage a lot. Mina with expertise has the highest damage factor in the game for kvk 1. It's definitly not lost plus the heal from pela will really keep your march alive if you pilot it well. And you shouldn't be running more than 2 marchs so it's quite easy to do. Early game unless you're a whale, you get your kills from doing single target and hitting the lowest target to the GROUND, definitly not with aoe on healthy marchs. Then of course mina/ysg is better but pela is definitly mina best epic pair.
I mean technically Frederick does the most with 2.4K while mina average 2.3K but mina is just a better rally with ysg. so no reason to touch frederick for anyone.
Any one knows when Pyrrhus will be available for golden chest???
not sure! Could be next patch perhaps.
Whenever the Hellenic Epic event is over at the earliest, Thutmose got added into the chest pretty quickly after the Egypt event was over.
I hope cause i cant wait to open 100 gc 🥲
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Chisgule: Bjorn is great he has 10% chance to deal skill damage (800) and he is A tier
Then:
Kusunoki is B tier because he has no march speed!!!!
Bjorn has no march speed too! Bjorn has garbage single target damage!
Kusunoki has more aoe damage and his 10% chance damage is more than bjorn!!!!!
Bjorn stats are 20% and Kusunoki has 30% stats!!!
Your comparison is completely wrong
It's pretty simple really - Bjorn offers AOE skill damage taken debuff. Kusunoki offers no debuff.
@@Chisgule 15% to 3 targets is really nothing🤗
@@mohammadsn8677lol really nothing? hahahhahaha
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Epics are pointless