Top 5 Matchups That Are Surprisingly GOOD
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- We already covered surprisingly awful matchups for Top Tiers in Smash Ultimate...so what about the good matchups for the characters you least expect? I'll be counting down 5 of them that you probably didn't even realize were good.
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Yo Marss congrats on your recent perfomance at Super Smash Con, truly the most Goated Content Creator for making top 8!
The set against light in top 32 was so hype
@@mountchoco8174 Light vs Marss was lowkey the best set for this Smash Con, along with Marss vs Onin
Marss was hype this tournement, gongrats marss!
Dabuz is the Marss' Runs killer
@@axr1798No hate on Dabuz but when Marss beats him it’s alway hype af.
As a Ridley main, Ftilt only has 2 active frames. It’s mostly just fast and hits really low
It honestly looked like a 4 or 5 frame active button lol
i dont think that matters when its that fast and that spammable. still a really good move
Pretty much every sword move is 2 frames though. So it being only 32 frames total and having that range is crazy. For perspective Ike f-tilt is probably the closest swordies f-tilt when it comes to range & power and the space it covers, and it's 41 frames. But also Ridley f-tilt still reaches farther and does .5% more damage (than Ike) at the tip and that tip is generous.
In some matchups ridley can just spam ftilt and win
it's really the brutal angle the sweetspot sends at that makes it good for 2 framing
dudeeee ssc was so impressive! you killed it, especially against onin and light. we’d all love to see you go to more majors!
Possibly a surprisingly good match-up is Incineroar/Olimar. Incineroar can just out camp you in a way by farming revenges thanks to the Pikmin latching into you. Then you do 60-80% off one move and die at 15%.
Ehh that’s debatable. If incin commits to camping with farming with revenge, olimar has two options, first, he can latch a pikmin, then preemptively call them off with whistle, baiting revenge and then punishing it, or, he can just straight up punish revenge as it’s activating, which is a little more risky, because he will get the damage boost, but still good. It is true, olimar dies early, but realistically even after incin gets revenge, how does he get in?
@@RedBookBag420nah he can do the olimar shield shimmy until he is in burst threat range and then olimar has like no options. He can't jump cause incin has crazy aerials, he is too slow to get quickly past him on the ground, and shield camping is obviously a no go.
As an olimar main, i thought everyone knew this. But this is also not olimar's worst matchup as it is still winnable and there are workarounds, I myself don't have a hard time as olimar also has fast arials and don't camp against incineroar, the problem is generally just trying to work around his strong moves. Just ñote that it is a bad matchup and I am not disagreeing with you, it's just that the ine against cloud is literally unwinnable for me most of the time if they abuse their tools right lmao
Revenge is so laggy and punishable.
Pikmins don't give that much of revenge.
Olimar can take away pikmins out of you.
Olimar can never get in and revenge just dissapears.
@@erickalvarez6486 yeah that summarizes the matchup
MARSS PLEASE COMPETE MORE UR SO FUN TO WATCH and SSC was awesome. (Only if u want to)
He’s not going to shine in a few weeks
@@eddie992 He had to drop out because he's getting surgery for his torn ACL
@@squid8505 oh shit yeah I forgot
Marss is better if you give him time and not pressure at all. Marss will never be number 1 but he will always have top 10 level of play
seeing min min get gimped by jiggly... such panacea... for the soul
Hi, Marss, great video! Your run at smashcon was exceptional as well! This may sadden many, but I was actually rooting for Dabuz in your winners set with him. But, other than that, I wish we could’ve seen more Rosalina gameplay today. Glad we got to see a Dabuz cameo, though. Thanks, Marss.
If you gave me a million years I don’t think I’d be able to accrue the deductive prowess needed to know you were rooting for Dabuz. You always keep ‘em guessing king 😤
@@nathanm6372 Hi, Nathan, I love to hear your enthusiasm! However, Dabuz is the king. Thanks, Nathan!
As a Min Min main, the Jigglypuff matchup is an absolute nightmare. Most of what makes Min Min good doesn't really work and her weaknesses feel way worse.
good.
Tbf I feel like most people at that point are aware that Jiggs sh*ts on Min Min so I would've probably included Corrin Min Min (probably a more debatable one tho)
Yoshi feels like Jigglypuff on steroids to me but I don't play Min Min. Is it just as bad?
@@RobbertRobbert12345 Yoshi isn't as bad as Jigglypuff for Min Min. Jigglypuff can easily edgeguard Min Min, and do the thing where she just pushes you away from the ledge with multiple attacks, and Min Min can't really do much about that. Yoshi isn't that bad in that regard. And Yoshi's neutral isn't as bad for Min Min as Jigglypuff's.
Marss making tourneys way more enjoyable to watch, love you man
Metaknight is also suprisingly good against Min min. I encourage people to watch Abadango vs Protobanham on third game. Min min doesn't stand a chance!
All those small floaty multiple jump chars can approach min min at a diagonal angle. min min has a hard time combating this angle.
Speaking as a min min enjoyer, I agree. The diagonal angle is what beats her
And also Greninja. Floaty bouncy characters that can avoid her long arms easily beats the hell out of this character.
Falco isn't that bad either if you don't count the off-stage game.
Every top Falcon and every top Snake actually agree that Snake slightly wins the match up. Fatality actually has a losing record against every top Snake iirc, and he's good at the match up. Also idk what Marss is talking about when he says Falcon has a really good OoS game, he has 1 reliable option OoS and it's frame 14. There's nothing special about his dash grab either, I think he's confusing it with his Sm4sh teleport grab.
Definitely agreed, as a falcon player Snake can be a very fun and interactive matchup until you’re offstage eating rockets on repeat. There is a fair amount of counterplay and interesting back-and-forth in neutral, but falcon has to work for it and doesn’t have the range or zone control that snake brings to the table. He eats damage better than most characters and doesn’t mind the typical snake trades as much as most of the cast, but working your way into brawling range against a similarly skilled snake feels like solving a puzzle every time you want to get a good hit in
@@kelloggserial5414 well said sir, summed it up perfectly
What a run at SSC, that bracket was gnarly
Dude some guy with the same tag as marss made top 8 at smash con. He was a competitor though, not marss the content creator.
Your set w light was my favorite smash con moment. The respect, the hype, the gameplay, the W!
Beat the content creator allegations
Feel the absolute same way!
Favourite set of the tourney
That's what peak smash ultimate looks like
For real. It was my grand finals hahaha. Well maybe the first set between Dabuz and Acola was grands Dabuz took that matchup far
Best content creator to ever do it! Congrats on that 7th at SSC‼️‼️
You single-handedly made smash-con worth watching for me. Thanks dude.
Beyond Olimar, Hero's Bounce plays a major equalizer role in two other notable matchups off the top of my head. One is _[heavenly choir]_ Steve: minecart, down-tilt, down-smash, anvil all get reflected; because of this, Steve players often consider it slight-losing. The other is Mega Man; Bounce invalidates pretty much half of jump-and-shoot-man's whole kit for extended periods of time.
Also because letting Hero get buffs and recover MPs is extremely risky, just as it is for letting Steve get diamond. Steve isn't built to run after you, you're supposed to do it during the match so their strategy is similar in that regard. Also Hero is a good zoner with disjoints and that is bad for Steve.
the hero - MM matchup feels like such an uphill battle for me, best i can hope for is that i can interrupt menu the thousands of times Hero fishes for bounce
the Marss vs Super Major MU is pretty good even though lots of people really don't think so. Gratz on Top 8 at Smash Con
Ridley can also just set up crazy well into an edgeguard
Great video as always. Also, nice pop off against Light at SmashCon and overall crazy performance.
Mars top 8 again!?? What a champ.
That little segment at 0:32 has to become one of those mid-video sub promotion things its so good
There is probably so many more. It's a very interesting topic to cover. There is still things you can discover even after so long.
Watching your sets at smash con made me the most excited about smash I've been in so long. Almost makes me want to play ZSS 😂
snake falcon would go so crazy with the ol' smash 4 teleporting dash grab
LOL that random dreadhead you see at the bottom of the screen at the end of the set is one of my homies 7:40
amazing run at smash con! there still isn’t a better player to watch in this game
Lolll, the thumbnail, so considerate of Falcon to help Snake out with his back problems. Accelerated aging definitely puts some strain on the vertebrae!
Ridley vs. Cloud in this game gives me the same vibes as Charizard vs. Cloud in Smash 4 with how surprisingly bad it is for Cloud
These style of videos are great
Excited for surprising even matchups
marss talking about avoiding early deaths against ROB is bringing a tear to my eye man. That was such a hype run at smashcon. ROB is so cringe man
Amazing SmashCon run!!
Congrats on Smash Con. And we got to do another Video on this topic of Matchups
As a Puff main, I've been trying to tell people that Puff wins the matchup against Min Min for so long, but nobody seems to understand. I feel so validated rn 😂
Min Min just seems dog shit in general against characters that can stay in the air for a long time and then suddenly be in her face. I generally consider her to be a better version of Belmont's except for that one attribute where they can just up-b characters like Jiggs and Meta Knight for free if there are platforms to make it safe.
Pls do more of these!
I think a "top 5 most hype/fun to play/watch matchup" could be cool too. Watching your match against Light was really fun to see while there were a few Steve match ups at SSC that was frustrating to watch😅
That's just 5 incineroar MUs
Or any other hype MU.
No way you're telling me min min who has a mediocre recovery and the worst tether in the game loses to a character who's whole entire kit is gimping 😮
mii brawler also does really well vs snake :] doing suplex when a grenade explodes is literally just a free combo, final hit of thrupper breaks snake up b armor, and shotput is very very good at disrupting snake neutral
Marss after getting top 8 at smashcon by playing iron mans online
Congratulations on playing super well at smash con!
Loved the intro 😆
Not gonna get into it too much cause I’ve talked a lot about it on Twitter but Ridley also does well onstage versus cloud because his tilts outrange bair and Ridley nair is crazy nice and puts cloud in the worst spots
Deedeedee vs peach is my fav. The peach be pressing every button floating around deedeedee and this obese penguin just kinda hits her.
As a Peach main, it's an even mu. D3 definitely doesn't win.
Its deededee tho and the deedeedee requires to much less tech skill
@@thefabuloussporcu317 yeah, but Peach is a way better character
So what does peach do to get the hit .tierlist realy arent relevant here
@@thefabuloussporcu317 the neutral actually favors Peach. She gets the hit with turnips or approaching grounded usually. D3's ledge trapping is his only saving grace in the matchup, and his only saving grace as a character really. Just cause Peach is way harder doesn't mean she loses because of it.
Your smashcon sets were a tour de force
GGs Marss on top 8
If you end up doing another one of these vids I’d like to see falco vs Steve because for falco I believe it’s plus one or even against steve which is kinda insane
Those were surprising. Marrs didn't lie
You said Puff > Min Min and at first i was like "NAH". But then i thought about it and realized Puff cleanly fits into Min Min's blindspots and gimps her literally for free. I've put up bigger fights recovering with Ganon vs Puff than Min Min can, apparently.
Congratulations on your smash con run!!!!!
falco vs steve is a very good MU for falco
Jiggs vs Minmin was peak LMAO
Just found out earlier that Min-Min is like unplayable for Gunner bc her arms break almost every projectile without clanking
Min Min makes every zoner's life hell for the same reason. She's the anti zoner-zoner like Hero. She just shoots one projectile down and then hits you with the other arm. Playing a DLC zoner just means you get to be a better camper than other zoners lmao
Jigglypuff Min Min seemed bad for MinMin to me for a while, it kind of makes sense because of how much mobility that Puff has compared to Min Min, and how easily you can edgeguard her. Also someone has to approach eventually, but I feel that Puff can just play very defensive and wait for openings and get really good advantage state off of them.
Also, congrats on SSC top 8, you absolutely popped off king. My content creator beat the washed allegations, let's go!!
Felicidades por entrar en el TOP 8 en Super Smash Con.
Kirby does pretty good against min min too so I'm not surprised about puff
Marss the man
Its the king of darkness himself: the destoryer of light.
Now we need the top suprising mid matchups.
marss is the Diogenes of smash
great 3-0 on mr light 🔥
Hero olimar is absolute suffering for me, i literally have to just wait out bounce, not olimar's worst matchup but it just sucks that 4 moves are taken away from me just because hero pushed one button :(
When are you gonna put Rosalina vs GnW here ? GnW loses -2 versus Rosa.
It's strange how Mr. Game & Watch does just fine against top tiers like Fox, Pikachu, Snake, and R.O.B., but gets his ass handed to him by a character (or characters I should say) as mediocre as Rosalina & Luma.
Bring out the Hero vs Dabuz’s olimar next time
u should play elite smash with the belmonts but don’t use any projectiles it’s really fun
6:05 if you have thrust uppercut against rob you are set
Good job at SSC!
Kirby and puff vs palutena are surprisingly good
Idk man upair
And up smasj
That smile 😍😍😍 oh and congrats Mr Marss 😎😎😎
That sound effect for shield breaks will never not be funny to me 4:28
this is the game we play, i love it
BATTLE GAREGGA MUSIC ON STREAM WHAT THE HECK
As a falcon main I absolutely love vs snake. So easy to just close ground
wanna play online? i think the matchup is even
my brother used to main brawler and I play rob
eventually I got better and he also switched to falcon/Terry so the mu is more straightforward.
ironically I also have a pocket brawler because he's fun
Nice, the amount of Blue Archive music has increased in these videos
Link/Samus is probably one of the weirdest matchups in the entire series. The matchup is like 7-3 or maybe even 8-2, debatably even 9-1 Samus favored but every single match will go to time and look really even to an outsider who doesn't know this matchup but the Link player is losing every single interaction very slightly and very consistently. The only thing Link has in this matchup is reverse Up B reversals but that's literally his only trump card in this matchup, Samus beats him in every other interaction of this matchup. She outboxes him and comes out ahead, she has better and more consistent projectiles, she's better at disadvantage, she's better at advantage and she's better at edgeguarding. The only thing Link can do in this matchup is slow walk to shield her projectiles and try and beat her with a close range interaction but if Samus sees him slow walking with about 1/4 of the stage (Just outside the range of a burst option dash attack) between the 2 of them she can shoot a slow missile and grab and beat every single option Link has at this distance. Her bread and butter options just beat Link in every single instance and the matchup specific tech and strategies are insanely consistent for Samus to beat.
If you don't know the intricacies of this matchup it looks like a 55-45 matchup at worse but the Link literally can't do anything to win against Samus except being a skilled Link and matchup checking an inexperienced Samus by cheesing them
I was not expecting Jiggs to destroy min min
I really wish you had won smashcon, as soon as you dropped out I dipped
Marss counterpick Olimar with Hero in bracket??? Thoughts?!
Finally a reason to play Jigglypuff
Does anyone know the name of the song Marss always chooses for his counter picks???
Killed it at SSC🎉
Video on onion / Marss set?
Bruh snake -1 for falcon marss needs to check his facts lol
I like hero vs falco, like a lot
Another surprising Jigglypuff matchup that sucks is Jigglypuff vs Piranha plant.
Piranha plant basically has a free anti air/trade with every one of Jigglypuff’s moves by pressing B. I think the only one of her moves that’s not beat by Ptooie is Pound.
Not to mention you can’t really gimp piranha plant recovery wise, and it’s hard to punish his recovery without a spike. Not a great matchup for her!
I tend to play a tad more grounded in the MU and use down throw because the throw invincibility is long enough to be unaffected by Ptooie. Or if the plant is bad and holds it too long, sing works well too. But I can see the MU being much harder at higher level. Besides, Puff dies super early to up smash.. 😅
Grab and time the throw tho that everyone
Mewtwo isn't great for Puff either just because better range, good damage, fast on the ground and recovery that goes very far + possibility to stall in the air contrary to many characters.
Fatality v Snake is always delicious.
Fatality vs MVD is exquisite.
NAH snake wins this matchup, even at MAX, fatality is just too good at it
Nope it is BAD for Snake
@@willycheez7218 bruh nikita is enough to prove you wrong
@@proutmobile1228 Falcon flies around Nikita for free bud
Yooo that music at 8:08 goes crazy! Anyone got a song name for me?
I don't get why a character which can have a constant reflector on doing good vs a projectile heavy character is surprising 😅 but the rest of the video was great!
Good luck on your surgery goat
can we talk about how hero beats icies 8-2
If the video covering your smashcon run isn't titled "casual juri main beats the world's best smash bros players" I'm gonna riot
hey guys, did you know rosalina and luma beats mr game and watch?!!! If only there was a set from a major we could use as evidence, aw man where are we gonna find that?
Is the song celeste?
No way in hell Falcon beats Snake, its slight Snake Advantage, Fatality is good at the MU because he has experience from ScAAt, but realistically Snake damage input is insane and can get big edgeguards with Nikita, its not horrible but Snake got the advantage, AK and Fatality think the same thing
Roy kirby is surprisingly bad due to Kirby’s crouch he just becomes impossible to hit without spacing dtilt or something and at that point ur reward is super minuscule. And then kirby wobbles him cuz he’s a fast caller and the edge guard is also really free at times
Gimping is only one part of the things that make puff min min horrendous for min min
Puff can get in at an almost vertical but diagonal angle easily and beats out any keepaway tools min min has and on top of that kills min with edgeguards
If edgeguarding was the only problem this mu wouldn't even be bad for minmin
I wanna see you compete more, i actually had fun watching you in smash con.. you fuggin masher
Nah rob doesnt lose to mii brawler. Our dtilt becomes 10x better against fastfallers, we can combo off it for longer and at 80-110% we can just straight up do dtilt > usmash. We edgeguard harder and neutral is fine, probably rob favored if anything. As long as we dont get cheesed by dthrow upb we do fine in the matchup. Even at worst imo