I love these tournament recaps where you tell a story. It's nice to have sources of mostly statistics and montages of tournaments but I like the story lines more than anything else at this point and you do it so well. The only thing missing was a half second image of EE holding Ken's arm in the air at the very end of the video
@@Gotmilk0112 You're correct, but I also don't give a damn because people will understand the meaning regardless. So, to spite you, I will leave it as is. "Je ne regrette rien, merci beaucoup".
9:48 Running theory is that Miya expected Sparg0 to charge limit and limit climhazzard to recover, and wanted to punish it with a dair that was probably untechable at that percent. However Sparg0 didn't charge limit and instead baited out the dair that would've covered the up b to kill miya at 0 and prevent a potential comeback.
My theory is that he was waiting for last few seconds to get a hit in and win that way out of desperation. He camps to win but if he feels confident that he will win without camping, he is aggressive. I hate Sonic the character but I no longer hate watching all Sonic players now
@@PLAY-oe1nn As a sonic main I do understand how he sometimes camps, he try’s to bait people out like other characters like Samus and fox or maybe Pikachu but when he feels confident he can do some crazy stuff, watching his playstyle and reflecting on myself, I don’t really camp with Sonic and try to aggressive but there are so many oppressive characters, take link for example, with projectiles that can really screw up a sonic main. So if he camps a bit because he doesn’t wanna rush in for a bit than I understand. Other characters mains do it too, yeah I hate camping but targeting it on a specific person is kind hypocritical.
Honestly would love another recap of this event's earlier stages. While the top 4 was probably one of the most important thing that happened, major stories were being played out throughout the weekend for many of the players that got only mentioned a couple of times here. Top 4 is looking pretty locked in at this point, but the top 20 is an every changing frenzy right now and it'd be great to get some coverage of that.
The problem with the game is that the worst thing you can do is approach. Camping is meta. I don't play competitive but ever since I stopped playing aggressively (Having fun) and started neutral B camping with Joker/Cloud (My mains) my win percent has nearly doubled. Anything that forces an opponent to approach you is ridiculously overpowered and makes for boring gameplay.
What's wild to me isn't just that the games are longer. Anyone watching them could tell you that. It's that not even Gluttony, a player who's pretty good at being patient, being willing to wall opponents out with back airs, short-hop in place, hide behind bike, and sometimes stall for Waft, is playing longer games than players like Sonix and Acola. It really does feel like a generational shift.
Minor critique, but you said that ApolloKage reset the bracket to win over Zomba, when he actually won over Zomba in Winners, Zomba reset losers dominantly, and ApolloKage got the win after that. Great video though! Thanks for the excellent summary
Even though I ditched ultimate a long time ago for melee. I still dont understand why ultimate players havent just outright banned steve. The game has like 85 characters. Steve is actively losing players for the game and losing viewers of tournaments thus losing the broadcasters money. With Smash 4 beyo they had ultimate to look forward too, so there was this "just deal with it until ultimate comes out" feel to it but there is no ultimate 2 coming. Its better to ban the character now and get it over with than wait. IDK I dont play the game anymore I dont really care but I do find it weird. I dont even really watch the game anymore. I will tune in every now and then and if its a steve match I just kinda dip. If its a steve ditto (which seems to be more often the case) I can't click escape fast enough. I kinda do the same if its sonic but at least with that I might come back later.
Exactly. I've come to love watching Sonix because sure, he's known for camping, stalling and being all around annoying to play against, but he doesn't hold a candle to how much pain I get from watching Steve build his walls and camp for the whole game. The things Sonix does to those Steve's make me forgive him for everything he's ever done
Will you be making a video covering the result of the Cody vs. Zain match for Rank 1? It's pretty big but I haven't seen anyone talk about it that much.
Kinda cool that it now feels like that we have gone from the God Leo era to a 4 gods era of Ultimate, which gives a nice comparative parallel to Melee's era of 5 gods Great narration, dope video!
It's a shame what happened to this game, it used to feel so fresh and now every top match is just a stall fest. Can't really blame the players when the game made it the optimal playstyle, but damn is it boring to watch. Luckily there are channels like these to give cliffnotes on an otherwise snorefest
Wait wait wait...people were ranting about Steve again after this tournament bc 'omg wallz' or whatever, but Acola was out at 4th and the grand finalists literally had to be told to play the game after a full minute of actually doing nothing? This community has issues.
The reasoning behind it was that while he got knocked out, his matches against the players he beat were insanely slow, boring and the character straight up dominates certain matchups so badly that a lot of players who one trick characters had to switch to a secondary to even have a chance of winning. Perfect example is Tweek. Tweek has a Sephiroth secondary specifically because Diddy Vs Steve is unwinnable for Diddy, and if you need any proof of that, look no further than his game 3 Vs Acola. Plus, Miya and Dabuz's previous run-in had Miya lose to Dabuz as GnW. So what does he do? He swaps to Steve to counter Dabuz's mains and win his set. The reason people Acola lost wasn't because Steve isn't bullshit. Steve is still bullshit, but not every character in the game loses to Steve like Diddy does. Sonic and Cloud are both good (or at least even) into Steve, which means that Acola no longer can rely on Steve alone to win the matchup, and because of Spargo and Sonix's experience, knowledge of the matchup and slightly higher skill level, they both won against acola. Acola isn't the problem here, he's just one of the few who can use Steve in the way that makes people hate him. The walls. The constant mining. The camping. Unless you play someone who can consistently put pressure on Steve to force him to stop camping, you don't win the matchup. He's one of the only characters that has unplayable matchups against a huge number of characters as opposed to just the standard "hard wins against ganon and little Mac" that most top tiers do. Steve literally has unlosable matchups against other top tiers and that was shown firsthand at Watch The Throne. Point is, Steve sucks even though Acola didn't win.
I just wanna see Leo on top again, joker and byleth were a lot more fun to watch than Steve and Sonic. Props to Spargo for holding it down with the Cloud, a character with actual entertainment value.
It's ironic that Sonic of all characters whose franchise is all about speed encourages a slow playstyle in smash. Also you can change characters on a win? That's not how the majority of fighting games work. But anyways nice video i love stories like this one.
please... for the love of god... make more content like this. you could talk about how a random elite smahs ganon might save smash ultimate idc. content like this is what we need
@@turndownforwalt Sorry for the late reply. The title implies that Smash Ultimate is somehow in danger and that there is something that could potentially save it. However, it’s never stated that, or how, Ultimate is in danger, nor is it stated what or how it could be potentially saved. Perhaps I’m missing it, but all I’ve gathered is that there’s characters that encourage degenerate play styles and that aren’t fun to play against, and someone won a tournament without using them.
@@playharderscrub eh maybe its cause i play pika who’s kinda shit on him since smash 4. I actually prefer fighting smash 4 cloud over ult cloud because of directional air dodge + up-b ledge snapping + fair being safer on shield + limit charging faster are annoying but the only reason i dont think he’s top 5 is because Steve aegis sonic joker and pika/fox being better than him so he’s probably around 6-8, its just easier to say top 10 than top 8.
Spargo is incredible, but it's worth noting that many of clouds better matchups are the characters he's fighting at the top. If you look at cloud as a whole he's probably a bit weaker, but Spargo makes up for that by better playering almost everyone who would want to take advantage of that.
@@curiosityunbound5460 Exactly, like he can have some random scary matchups like DK lol, Sheik (even though she’s top tier in my opinion), and hell even falcon can give him a hard time with his speed, but at the top of the top he does good against meta characters like Steve, G&W and others.
Smash Ultimate is literally the exact example of why all fighting games HAVE to have live maintenance for very lengthy periods of time. This game is literally still in beta at this point
Joker just needs an outright ban. No counterplay to him. Ive done 104 elite smash games and just last night lost my 1st one after 2 SD's. Broken af char
He was the uncontested number one for arguably up until 2022, and then i don't really know what happened to him and i don't want to speak on his behalf so i can't tell for sure how he feels about all that, but other players quickly rose up to his level and at the same time it also feels like he isn't taking it as seriously as before, he changes characters a lot because i guess he kinda wants to take it a little lightly
He has talked about playing Smash Ultimate far less in 2023. He now has a partner and focuses more on spending time with his family and making content.
@@TheMTalMilitiahe switched to Byleth, who is a significantly worse character than Joker. I think playing whatever character you enjoy is how you should play the game, but if MKLeo wanted to keep his spot, he should’ve kept dominating with Joker. Nothing against the guy, I respect him for playing someone else he enjoys
Don't understand the title of this video - is the hero Spargo or the tournament itself? And what is he the hero of? He beat a stall player with a disadvantage character? Am I being stupid here or something? I watched the whole thing.
I think the story itself is interesting, but I think competitive Smash is super boring. I like watching Melee, but I don't even think I could get through any Ultimate matches
In the past i didnt really like cloud, but compared to the cancer that Steve, Sonic and G&W are, its really nice and enjoable to watch. Situations like the last games of the sets tweek-acola and sparg0-sonix (gf) with big periods of time in which nether player wants to play just show that the current meta is really not enjoable. Not for the viewer nor for the player... But sure, just keep the game exactly as it is, cause change is always bad right?...
@@trailertrash2147 Mid tier was a bit of an exaggeration but he's heavy overrated imo. """Official""" tier list puts him top 5 somehow (look at cloud, pika, & g&w placements and don't even get me started on the dlcs). The level of execution Fox requires for light to have his placements is asinine. Imagine if a skilled player like him went to any other the top tiers in the top 10. No doubt in my mind that if he swapped to (or had put his previously allotted time into) joker, aegis, even pika, etc (fast characters who require/benefit from precise-execution) he'd be a contested #1 (he's consistently held top 5). Fox even top 10 is a bit much imo. Probably top 15-20. Don't even get me started on the fact Fox, and other than the one Japanese(?) up&comer, only has light to rep him.
7:52 hate when people use this clip to be all like oh feel bad for tweek for fighting steve but in reality he was pissed off at production for the zoom in
Guys like Sonix and his boring, campy style will help ensure the scene never grows. The vast majority of spectators don’t want to watch him run away for a 45 minute set.
I dont the hype around Cloud. Yeah Sonic and Steve are pretty lame to watch, but Cloud's gameplan is run away, charge limit, spam back air at ledge and rack up easy damage with side b. how hype is he *really*?
I could feel this type of playstyle coming the moment COVID hit. This game’s neutral sadly rewards slow and careful intention. It’s disgusting. Thank god I switched to melee
I miss the times when Leo was at the top, his Joker was much more fun to watch than Sonic, Steve or Pyra/Mythra. These characters are the reason why I stopped watching competitive Ultimate.
I love the thumbnail. Seems like Cloud is The Chosen One here, as he was actually able to take on the three tyrannical gods of this game. Ah, Cloud~♥︎ (*´∇｀*) He’s so fascinating. He makes for such a good playmate. He never ceases to surprise me. To amuse me. Yes! Chosen One! Chosen One! He’s the Chosen One indeed! (((o(*ﾟ▽ﾟ*)o)))♡ Tee Hee Hee! My hero~
@@playharderscrubi mean Ken literally got 5th at this event beating Leo and Light And he got in because even though Sonix won Port he still got 4th there beating Sparg0 There’s definitely more than one Sonic
@@playharderscrub2 sonics, and lots of steve secondaries. But your point stands as there’s really only one player for each character truly being dominant.
Copy pasting from my Twitter but Have said for like 2 years that one of the biggest problems with Ultimate isn’t that it “has no stories” but instead that no light was being properly shined onto those stories These vids feel as if they’re beginning to fill that gap. Ty for that.
so they’re calling them the Horsemen now? dude old school melee players are bound to come after that name LOOOOL at least they suck imma beat all their asses eventually
I’m not here to shit on any top players, they earned their spot at the top; however Sonix really is incredibly underwhelming to watch as a character and frustrating to watch as a player. Little to no reaction, negative emotional responses to most games (regardless of outcome) and going for time out strategies all contribute to making them an unlikable op for viewers. Just no hype to be seen unfortunately. Still 3 stocks me on a good day tho
In fairness playing slow is the best way to play the game. I mean it's low risk, and since not a lot of people outside the top 4 have good mental for it it's very reliable for them as well
That’s kinda not fair though, right? EE just banned Sonix playstyle mid-grand finals Like They didn’t even setup a rule beforehand Isn’t that a little fucked up?
Mate did you really wanna see Cloud just using Blade Beam and Sonic just parrying/shielding the move for 7 all minutes, it's like Evo 2018 for Smash 4 again 😂
@@MasterAbeer101 obvs ur right, but then a rule should’ve been and should be in place to prevent that. Besides Sonix JUST saved Ult from Steve LOL If he hadn’t taken out Acola Acola easily could’ve rekt everyone else there As he’s done multiple times. It just feels a little unfair/ungrateful. And what if Sparg0 was gonna win anyways? In that case, y’all stole the hype of Sparg0 crushing Sonix’s toxic playstyle. Idk This whole thing just left me with a sour taste in my mouth 🤷♀️
You are completely right, from a standpoint of competitive integrity that was total bullshit, and if that happened to me as a competitor I would be incensed. I don’t even watch ultimate because of how much I hate watching the way these people play, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a fair competition. if you are a TO and don’t want people to play a certain way then you need to put it in the rules ahead of time.
These vids are alright for entertainment. That said cloud is super lame in smash ultimate. IDC he was top 2 in the past game. at least he was cool when he first came now all he does is use bair and crosslash mainly. 2 hit ez combos and safe back airs. His old combo game was much cooler and cloud canonically would not camp people out. He uses his brain in battle to find a way to duel them up close and personal. If he comes back in smash 7 i hope we get remake/Rebirth/Revelations cloud as a rework.
Wait, are we talking Smash 4? He was GOATED. I miss my Big HitBox falling Up Air and Nair. Cloud might not be as good here in Ultimate, but Sparg0 makes this character so cool to watch here at least.
Gonna have to agree to disagree about spargo and cloud. Cloud just ain't hype like he used to be. I don't miss old nair much even though it really wasn't as big as it looked but i do miss the landing up air and smash 4 hitstun and knockback. Balloon knockback and lack of hitstun really made this game super lame and i hope more start to realize balloon knockback sucked. Cloud really should be fighting like Roy and people who know cloud's character know how aggressive his fighting style is and how he fights which isn't repped in smash at all. Smash really doesn't seem to care about its chraracters much unless its like Terry, kazuya and steve. Joker doesn't use his arcana to wield multiple personas like in P5, sora may be floaty but he has a way bigger combo game in KH nowadays, banjo is unispiring, Byleth was given the lazy route on a character that switches weapons, pyra and mythrra don't really use any combos or mechanics that actually rep xenoblade 2, Sonic we all know how badly designed he is compared to his character same wtih ganondorf but a lot of the cast lacks the stuff that makes them unique and also connects to their game honestly. Greninja was literally made without referencing a single move from his pokemon set and this was confirmed in an old interview. I don't get hyped seeing spargo play cloud and i don't get hyped seeing the current state of the game. Year one pichu and joker in the dominant era made me hype about the game though but those days are over and like i said about joker at the end of the day he works nothing like how a persona character should work. @@isaiahthechristiangamer8716
I love these tournament recaps where you tell a story. It's nice to have sources of mostly statistics and montages of tournaments but I like the story lines more than anything else at this point and you do it so well. The only thing missing was a half second image of EE holding Ken's arm in the air at the very end of the video
The narrative matters !
Gluto while in France might literally be the best player of all time
Queue "Je ne regrette rien" blaring in the background.
It's gotta be something in the baguettes.
@@CanadianBaconPwnage cue*
a queue is a line
@@Gotmilk0112 You're correct, but I also don't give a damn because people will understand the meaning regardless. So, to spite you, I will leave it as is. "Je ne regrette rien, merci beaucoup".
Prime mkleo solos
9:48 Running theory is that Miya expected Sparg0 to charge limit and limit climhazzard to recover, and wanted to punish it with a dair that was probably untechable at that percent. However Sparg0 didn't charge limit and instead baited out the dair that would've covered the up b to kill miya at 0 and prevent a potential comeback.
Poor Sonix. It's deeply unfair that he was forced to actually play the game.
You obviously don't watch a lot of Sonix sets if you think all he does is camp
Exactly
circle camping is all that Sonic does, regardless of player @@stuffedlegoguy461
My theory is that he was waiting for last few seconds to get a hit in and win that way out of desperation. He camps to win but if he feels confident that he will win without camping, he is aggressive. I hate Sonic the character but I no longer hate watching all Sonic players now
@@PLAY-oe1nn As a sonic main I do understand how he sometimes camps, he try’s to bait people out like other characters like Samus and fox or maybe Pikachu but when he feels confident he can do some crazy stuff, watching his playstyle and reflecting on myself, I don’t really camp with Sonic and try to aggressive but there are so many oppressive characters, take link for example, with projectiles that can really screw up a sonic main. So if he camps a bit because he doesn’t wanna rush in for a bit than I understand. Other characters mains do it too, yeah I hate camping but targeting it on a specific person is kind hypocritical.
5:33 no one does it like Skyjay baby
Skyjay is hilarious I feel like he's the only person who plays their character's cheese factor to the max
Honestly would love another recap of this event's earlier stages. While the top 4 was probably one of the most important thing that happened, major stories were being played out throughout the weekend for many of the players that got only mentioned a couple of times here. Top 4 is looking pretty locked in at this point, but the top 20 is an every changing frenzy right now and it'd be great to get some coverage of that.
The problem with the game is that the worst thing you can do is approach. Camping is meta. I don't play competitive but ever since I stopped playing aggressively (Having fun) and started neutral B camping with Joker/Cloud (My mains) my win percent has nearly doubled. Anything that forces an opponent to approach you is ridiculously overpowered and makes for boring gameplay.
How did we end up in that bucket
@@tobin2.0game and watch absorbed us
13:40 shades of Captain Zack Vs. Lima 2018 grands
Lol, reminds me of this video from Mightykeef.
“Yo my guy, is this your Smash 4 Grand Finals!?”
What's wild to me isn't just that the games are longer. Anyone watching them could tell you that. It's that not even Gluttony, a player who's pretty good at being patient, being willing to wall opponents out with back airs, short-hop in place, hide behind bike, and sometimes stall for Waft, is playing longer games than players like Sonix and Acola. It really does feel like a generational shift.
True. Same reason I stopped watching Ultimate.
repent to God
13:25 oh gosh it's smash 4 all over again
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who’d thought of that
You love to see a Sparg0at W and a video about it from Walt. Happy Holidays and Happy New Year soon to you and everyone
Minor critique, but you said that ApolloKage reset the bracket to win over Zomba, when he actually won over Zomba in Winners, Zomba reset losers dominantly, and ApolloKage got the win after that. Great video though! Thanks for the excellent summary
hi bp
imagine what this game could have been without DLC
*rememers gnw and sonic aren’t dlc* nevermind
@@lohn2559still would’ve made for a way more interesting meta honestly
I’d say just keep pack 1 and it would be golden, and likely add some nerfs to Joker
Slightly toned down joker and rob. Nerfed dlc pass 2 generally and Steve having been figured out earlier then he was would have done some crazy things
13:25 MightyKeef: Yo my guy, is this your Smash Ultimate Grand Finals?!
Even though I ditched ultimate a long time ago for melee. I still dont understand why ultimate players havent just outright banned steve. The game has like 85 characters. Steve is actively losing players for the game and losing viewers of tournaments thus losing the broadcasters money. With Smash 4 beyo they had ultimate to look forward too, so there was this "just deal with it until ultimate comes out" feel to it but there is no ultimate 2 coming. Its better to ban the character now and get it over with than wait. IDK I dont play the game anymore I dont really care but I do find it weird.
I dont even really watch the game anymore. I will tune in every now and then and if its a steve match I just kinda dip. If its a steve ditto (which seems to be more often the case) I can't click escape fast enough. I kinda do the same if its sonic but at least with that I might come back later.
Sparg0 really is built different, JEEZ
I know you guys hate Sonic playstyle (me too) but i really love seing Sonix destroy Miya and Acola
The lesser of two demons
Exactly. I've come to love watching Sonix because sure, he's known for camping, stalling and being all around annoying to play against, but he doesn't hold a candle to how much pain I get from watching Steve build his walls and camp for the whole game. The things Sonix does to those Steve's make me forgive him for everything he's ever done
Bro your miniature is probably one of the best i've ever seen
Will you be making a video covering the result of the Cody vs. Zain match for Rank 1? It's pretty big but I haven't seen anyone talk about it that much.
Writing it as we speak!
Spectator passes shouldn't count for votes imo. Would have loved to see more international vote ins
Please do more of these. These are amazing :)
At this point I have fully lost all hope for Smash Ultimate and I’ll just move on to Rivals 2.
g4 of grands got me with them evo 2018 flashbacks
My favorite tournament to watch by far
I like how Nasb 2 grands were full of energy and pop offs, and SSBU grands is a sonic Camping for 4 minutes...
There’s a reason why Sonix winning videos were always so heavily disliked
Babe wake up turndownforwalt uploaded
Kinda cool that it now feels like that we have gone from the God Leo era to a 4 gods era of Ultimate, which gives a nice comparative parallel to Melee's era of 5 gods
Great narration, dope video!
i hope we don't get a Leffen in our game
@@PJammin_Out Me 🗿... Wait i play isabelle... Nevermind
King Leo. Leo is the (melee) Ken of Ultimate.
If being a God means camping as Sonic and Steve, then Ult is dead
Lol the dominance of the 5 gods is on a different level to this, it's like saying ooh we got teeball now this is like "our MLB"
Oh shit, didn’t realise it was your video when I clicked, excited to watch it now 😁
They should really start thinking about legalizing Yoshi's Story and WarioWare
AND Unova League!
make a video highlighting all the sets please
I take this as proof that Ultimate still has a long life ahead of it
It's a shame what happened to this game, it used to feel so fresh and now every top match is just a stall fest. Can't really blame the players when the game made it the optimal playstyle, but damn is it boring to watch.
Luckily there are channels like these to give cliffnotes on an otherwise snorefest
Wait wait wait...people were ranting about Steve again after this tournament bc 'omg wallz' or whatever, but Acola was out at 4th and the grand finalists literally had to be told to play the game after a full minute of actually doing nothing? This community has issues.
The reasoning behind it was that while he got knocked out, his matches against the players he beat were insanely slow, boring and the character straight up dominates certain matchups so badly that a lot of players who one trick characters had to switch to a secondary to even have a chance of winning. Perfect example is Tweek. Tweek has a Sephiroth secondary specifically because Diddy Vs Steve is unwinnable for Diddy, and if you need any proof of that, look no further than his game 3 Vs Acola. Plus, Miya and Dabuz's previous run-in had Miya lose to Dabuz as GnW. So what does he do? He swaps to Steve to counter Dabuz's mains and win his set. The reason people Acola lost wasn't because Steve isn't bullshit. Steve is still bullshit, but not every character in the game loses to Steve like Diddy does. Sonic and Cloud are both good (or at least even) into Steve, which means that Acola no longer can rely on Steve alone to win the matchup, and because of Spargo and Sonix's experience, knowledge of the matchup and slightly higher skill level, they both won against acola. Acola isn't the problem here, he's just one of the few who can use Steve in the way that makes people hate him. The walls. The constant mining. The camping. Unless you play someone who can consistently put pressure on Steve to force him to stop camping, you don't win the matchup. He's one of the only characters that has unplayable matchups against a huge number of characters as opposed to just the standard "hard wins against ganon and little Mac" that most top tiers do. Steve literally has unlosable matchups against other top tiers and that was shown firsthand at Watch The Throne. Point is, Steve sucks even though Acola didn't win.
teary wall of text @@elmacho1336
I just wanna see Leo on top again, joker and byleth were a lot more fun to watch than Steve and Sonic.
Props to Spargo for holding it down with the Cloud, a character with actual entertainment value.
It's ironic that Sonic of all characters whose franchise is all about speed encourages a slow playstyle in smash. Also you can change characters on a win? That's not how the majority of fighting games work. But anyways nice video i love stories like this one.
he was forced to play the game when he was 6 😢🦭
Hype big four:
Spargo
Gluto
Light obviously
Tweek
Meanwhile Leo being the goat don't try to change my mind
Walt, please do cover Watch The Throne in its entirety, your videos are so goood man
please... for the love of god... make more content like this. you could talk about how a random elite smahs ganon might save smash ultimate idc. content like this is what we need
7:40 these moments truly encapsulate why Steve is bad for the game and my god king tweek
I didn’t expect Leo to get placed so low but I guess the new gens are really something special
Awesome video man!!
Okay so... why is this video called "Smash Ultimate's Last Hope" and not just "A Quick Rundown of Watch the Throne"?
One is a good title and one is not
yeah u dont get it!
@@turndownforwalt Sorry for the late reply. The title implies that Smash Ultimate is somehow in danger and that there is something that could potentially save it. However, it’s never stated that, or how, Ultimate is in danger, nor is it stated what or how it could be potentially saved. Perhaps I’m missing it, but all I’ve gathered is that there’s characters that encourage degenerate play styles and that aren’t fun to play against, and someone won a tournament without using them.
is cloud better than said or spargo just that good?
a bit of both
I think he’s top 10 at least but sparg0 is #1/#2 in the world right now
cloud is busted I don't know what yawl own about. gotta be top 5
@@playharderscrub eh maybe its cause i play pika who’s kinda shit on him since smash 4. I actually prefer fighting smash 4 cloud over ult cloud because of directional air dodge + up-b ledge snapping + fair being safer on shield + limit charging faster are annoying but the only reason i dont think he’s top 5 is because Steve aegis sonic joker and pika/fox being better than him so he’s probably around 6-8, its just easier to say top 10 than top 8.
Spargo is incredible, but it's worth noting that many of clouds better matchups are the characters he's fighting at the top. If you look at cloud as a whole he's probably a bit weaker, but Spargo makes up for that by better playering almost everyone who would want to take advantage of that.
@@curiosityunbound5460 Exactly, like he can have some random scary matchups like DK lol, Sheik (even though she’s top tier in my opinion), and hell even falcon can give him a hard time with his speed, but at the top of the top he does good against meta characters like Steve, G&W and others.
What's the outro song in this video?
Smash Ultimate is literally the exact example of why all fighting games HAVE to have live maintenance for very lengthy periods of time. This game is literally still in beta at this point
small correction, zomba was the one who came from losers and reset the bracket, but ak won the reset
Sonix top 1 player
What happened to protobanham? He couldn't make it or was it just Miya that was invited instead?
he couldn't make it. Tarik replaced him.
Joker just needs an outright ban. No counterplay to him. Ive done 104 elite smash games and just last night lost my 1st one after 2 SD's. Broken af char
hey so i know a little about competitive smash, and always heard that mkleo was the best. is that not true? did he fall off or what happened?
He was the uncontested number one for arguably up until 2022, and then i don't really know what happened to him and i don't want to speak on his behalf so i can't tell for sure how he feels about all that, but other players quickly rose up to his level and at the same time it also feels like he isn't taking it as seriously as before, he changes characters a lot because i guess he kinda wants to take it a little lightly
He has talked about playing Smash Ultimate far less in 2023. He now has a partner and focuses more on spending time with his family and making content.
@@TheMTalMilitiahe switched to Byleth, who is a significantly worse character than Joker. I think playing whatever character you enjoy is how you should play the game, but if MKLeo wanted to keep his spot, he should’ve kept dominating with Joker. Nothing against the guy, I respect him for playing someone else he enjoys
Why did they end SSBM Summit?
I like this content and wanna see more of it.
Easiest comment of my life!
what
I'm sure Acola and Sonix are cool and Humble guys but Fuck their playstyle and characters man!!!
Summit at home:
I am Sonic main and happy he getting destroy, hope next smash they changed his move list
I would love if you break down the sets!
Proto was changed? Why? By who?
Don't understand the title of this video - is the hero Spargo or the tournament itself? And what is he the hero of? He beat a stall player with a disadvantage character? Am I being stupid here or something? I watched the whole thing.
Yeah, I’m kinda with you on that one too. 😂
the thumbnail makes me think that its because a Cloud player won over those more annoying top tiers nobody likes.
@@ExBronyPonyWhich is find weird bc cloud is also a vastly hated character, but no where near as much as say Steve
Last hope? From who
6:06 we want to see that :)
I think the story itself is interesting, but I think competitive Smash is super boring. I like watching Melee, but I don't even think I could get through any Ultimate matches
In the past i didnt really like cloud, but compared to the cancer that Steve, Sonic and G&W are, its really nice and enjoable to watch. Situations like the last games of the sets tweek-acola and sparg0-sonix (gf) with big periods of time in which nether player wants to play just show that the current meta is really not enjoable. Not for the viewer nor for the player...
But sure, just keep the game exactly as it is, cause change is always bad right?...
acola and spargo are my kings
is leo dying in smash now. What happened to my boy.
I need a hero!
more proof light is the best limited by his mid tier main
No shot you’re calling Fox mid
@@trailertrash2147 Mid tier was a bit of an exaggeration but he's heavy overrated imo. """Official""" tier list puts him top 5 somehow (look at cloud, pika, & g&w placements and don't even get me started on the dlcs). The level of execution Fox requires for light to have his placements is asinine. Imagine if a skilled player like him went to any other the top tiers in the top 10. No doubt in my mind that if he swapped to (or had put his previously allotted time into) joker, aegis, even pika, etc (fast characters who require/benefit from precise-execution) he'd be a contested #1 (he's consistently held top 5). Fox even top 10 is a bit much imo. Probably top 15-20. Don't even get me started on the fact Fox, and other than the one Japanese(?) up&comer, only has light to rep him.
@@shnitzel9052fox is definitely better than Peach, who is still a top 10 character. Fox is not overrated, he’s perfectly rated.
lol what’s the point of being rank #1 if you have to pray you never run into #2-#4 in bracket??
7:52 hate when people use this clip to be all like oh feel bad for tweek for fighting steve but in reality he was pissed off at production for the zoom in
We actually used the clip because Tweek was playing against Acola and I was talking about Tweek playing against Acola
@turndownforwalt yea, but I mean it comes off that way. Liked the video but that's my opinion as a *steve main*
@@plusah1268was the last part even necessary lmao like who gaf
I’m from December 2024 cloud joined the rank of lame characters and we have no more hero’s
Guys like Sonix and his boring, campy style will help ensure the scene never grows. The vast majority of spectators don’t want to watch him run away for a 45 minute set.
I dont the hype around Cloud. Yeah Sonic and Steve are pretty lame to watch, but Cloud's gameplan is run away, charge limit, spam back air at ledge and rack up easy damage with side b. how hype is he *really*?
I think ppl just hate Steve and Sonic WAY more than they hate cloud. Don’t be fooled, ppl are always complaining about cloud lmao
I could feel this type of playstyle coming the moment COVID hit. This game’s neutral sadly rewards slow and careful intention. It’s disgusting. Thank god I switched to melee
I miss the times when Leo was at the top, his Joker was much more fun to watch than Sonic, Steve or Pyra/Mythra. These characters are the reason why I stopped watching competitive Ultimate.
W sonix
Too bad this game sucks, the players seem like good people
Party game level balancing fr
Yeah man, this game just doesn’t work. 😂
Fire thumbnail 🤣
I fought against bloom4eva and got ratiod
Conclusion: Ban Steve and Sonic
i dont enjoy watching sonic gw and steve i still try to follow what's going on but tbh i feel that im losing interest. thx for the recap
I love the thumbnail. Seems like Cloud is The Chosen One here, as he was actually able to take on the three tyrannical gods of this game. Ah, Cloud~♥︎ (*´∇｀*) He’s so fascinating. He makes for such a good playmate. He never ceases to surprise me. To amuse me. Yes! Chosen One! Chosen One! He’s the Chosen One indeed! (((o(*ﾟ▽ﾟ*)o)))♡ Tee Hee Hee! My hero~
Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand
@@Polycubism Heh? ( ᐛ )
This smash has almost gotten as boring to watch as brawl was back in the day. Melee still king as always
I would love a longer video breaking dlwn tbe stats
This top 4 is the death of ultimate for viewership. Time for a new game
Feel bad for ult fans dealing with this boring ass meta. Steve, Sonic, Game and Watch are all cancer to play against and watch.
its only one m&w one sonic and one steve really doing anything. would u really call this a meta if they the only ones getting results
@@playharderscrubi mean Ken literally got 5th at this event beating Leo and Light
And he got in because even though Sonix won Port he still got 4th there beating Sparg0
There’s definitely more than one Sonic
@@playharderscrub2 sonics, and lots of steve secondaries. But your point stands as there’s really only one player for each character truly being dominant.
I wanna see rival 2 content
I have plans for that!
God, this meta sucks to watch
Copy pasting from my Twitter but
Have said for like 2 years that one of the biggest problems with Ultimate isn’t that it “has no stories” but instead that no light was being properly shined onto those stories
These vids feel as if they’re beginning to fill that gap. Ty for that.
We are all united in our hate for Sonic
MIIIIID!!!! 🤬🤬🤬
so they’re calling them the Horsemen now? dude old school melee players are bound to come after that name LOOOOL at least they suck imma beat all their asses eventually
I’m not here to shit on any top players, they earned their spot at the top; however Sonix really is incredibly underwhelming to watch as a character and frustrating to watch as a player. Little to no reaction, negative emotional responses to most games (regardless of outcome) and going for time out strategies all contribute to making them an unlikable op for viewers. Just no hype to be seen unfortunately.
Still 3 stocks me on a good day tho
Spargoat
"last hope" bruh the game's shit there wasnt any to begin with
This four horsemen thing is humongous glaze on our part 😂
13:40 rip bozo camp some more lol
In fairness playing slow is the best way to play the game. I mean it's low risk, and since not a lot of people outside the top 4 have good mental for it it's very reliable for them as well
Seeing Sparg0 defeat lame players like あcola and Sonix makes me hopeful for the future of this game!
That’s kinda not fair though, right? EE just banned Sonix playstyle mid-grand finals
Like
They didn’t even setup a rule beforehand
Isn’t that a little fucked up?
Mate did you really wanna see Cloud just using Blade Beam and Sonic just parrying/shielding the move for 7 all minutes, it's like Evo 2018 for Smash 4 again 😂
Not really no
@@MasterAbeer101 obvs ur right, but then a rule should’ve been and should be in place to prevent that.
Besides
Sonix JUST saved Ult from Steve LOL
If he hadn’t taken out Acola
Acola easily could’ve rekt everyone else there
As he’s done multiple times.
It just feels a little unfair/ungrateful.
And what if Sparg0 was gonna win anyways?
In that case, y’all stole the hype of Sparg0 crushing Sonix’s toxic playstyle.
Idk
This whole thing just left me with a sour taste in my mouth 🤷♀️
You are completely right, from a standpoint of competitive integrity that was total bullshit, and if that happened to me as a competitor I would be incensed.
I don’t even watch ultimate because of how much I hate watching the way these people play, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be a fair competition. if you are a TO and don’t want people to play a certain way then you need to put it in the rules ahead of time.
These vids are alright for entertainment. That said cloud is super lame in smash ultimate. IDC he was top 2 in the past game. at least he was cool when he first came now all he does is use bair and crosslash mainly. 2 hit ez combos and safe back airs. His old combo game was much cooler and cloud canonically would not camp people out. He uses his brain in battle to find a way to duel them up close and personal. If he comes back in smash 7 i hope we get remake/Rebirth/Revelations cloud as a rework.
Wait, are we talking Smash 4? He was GOATED. I miss my Big HitBox falling Up Air and Nair. Cloud might not be as good here in Ultimate, but Sparg0 makes this character so cool to watch here at least.
Gonna have to agree to disagree about spargo and cloud. Cloud just ain't hype like he used to be. I don't miss old nair much even though it really wasn't as big as it looked but i do miss the landing up air and smash 4 hitstun and knockback. Balloon knockback and lack of hitstun really made this game super lame and i hope more start to realize balloon knockback sucked. Cloud really should be fighting like Roy and people who know cloud's character know how aggressive his fighting style is and how he fights which isn't repped in smash at all. Smash really doesn't seem to care about its chraracters much unless its like Terry, kazuya and steve. Joker doesn't use his arcana to wield multiple personas like in P5, sora may be floaty but he has a way bigger combo game in KH nowadays, banjo is unispiring, Byleth was given the lazy route on a character that switches weapons, pyra and mythrra don't really use any combos or mechanics that actually rep xenoblade 2, Sonic we all know how badly designed he is compared to his character same wtih ganondorf but a lot of the cast lacks the stuff that makes them unique and also connects to their game honestly. Greninja was literally made without referencing a single move from his pokemon set and this was confirmed in an old interview. I don't get hyped seeing spargo play cloud and i don't get hyped seeing the current state of the game. Year one pichu and joker in the dominant era made me hype about the game though but those days are over and like i said about joker at the end of the day he works nothing like how a persona character should work. @@isaiahthechristiangamer8716